Copolymer Lines.... For What? 2024
Megastink reply :
What do you use a copolymer line for?
Is it more like mono, or more like flouro?
Is it effective for topwater? Flipping? Crankbaits?
General info on where/when/what to use it with?
Thanks!
outdoorsman110 reply :
For me it's like mono, I'll usually use it for cranking and heavy stuff.. I use 90's Suffix Copolymer ( I have a 2000yard roll )
RyneB reply :
i also use the sufix copoly. Its on most my reels. I like it because its more manageable than fluoro, and a little less stretch than mono. Its also really cheap, i get a 300 yd spool for $5.
Bassn Blvd reply :
On 4/19/2012 at 10:05 AM, megastrike said:What do you use a copolymer line for?
Is it more like mono, or more like flouro?
Is it effective for topwater? Flipping? Crankbaits?
General info on where/when/what to use it with?
Thanks!
I use it for fishing.
It's more like mono and flouro mixwd.
yes, sometimes and yes.
I use #8 Yozuri copolymer for most crank baits.
#10 Yozuri for Senkos, Flukes, large/deep dive crank baits and most worms.
#12 Yozuri for most jigs and some worms (depends on lake)
K_Mac reply :
I use it for everything. I have 6 baitcast and 2 spinning rigs for bass fishing. 12# or 15# CXX on the baitcast, 6# CXX on the spinning. It is strong, abrasion resistant, offers decent sensitivity, and behaves well when treated with KVD Line and Lure.
EDIT: It is also cheap!
SausageFingers reply :
I have Yozuri Hybrid on all of my setups. For me, its been an excellent choice for anything Im throwing.
smalljaw67 reply :
copolymer is mono plain and simple but some are better than others. I found a copoly line that has more charateristics of flouro than mono but it is mono. Cajun clear lightning gets a bad rep because it is cheap but also because people that don't read the label and use it due to price don't realize it is meant exclusivly for baitcasting reels. It is clear like flouro, impurities are removed and I believe it as it is clearer than most mono line, it is extremely abrasion resistant and has the least amount of stretch I ever saw in a mono but it doesn't handle well which is why you don't use it on spinning reels. Another good one and my favorite for spinning and casting is Silver Thread AN40, this is very soft supple line that does not have much memory and is very tough, it has about the same stretch and abrasion resistance of Trilene XL but I would say it holds up better over a longer period than the trilene. I consider copolymer a better grade of mono, it is still nylon so you call it mono but it doesn't matter because I use the stuff every day.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
Well I didnt have much luck(line management) with straight 10# YZHUS on my SupremeXT's so basically just started using the struff for leader material with braid main-line. The 10# did suprize me though when my size 4 hook got snagged I pulled and pulled, line didnt give, but the hook bent and came loose. Ive never really used leader but this gives me some confidence in the line and my knot strength.
roadwarrior reply :
Yo-Zuri Hybrid is a copolymer blend of nylon and fluorocarbon, bonded not coated. The combination results in a line which is stronger than most with an equivalent diameter. #6 has a width of .010" and a breaking strength of 11.9 lbs. The line is noticably more manageable than pure fluorocarbon.
WHY IS YO-ZURI HYBRID™ BETTER THAN OTHER FISHING LINES?
•Strength : Because of the blend of nylon and fluorocarbon our line breaks at a much higher test than listed (see chart).
•Stretch : Hybrid has a lower stretch because of the addition of fluorocarbon. The nylon allows for cast ability. This gives Hybrid more hook setting power.
•Sensitivity : The fluorocarbon blend transfers activity or “feeling” much faster than regular fishing lines. This increased transmission speed allows an angler to feel and react to more bites.
•Wet Strength : Hybrid doesn't absorb water and as a result retains 100% of its dry knot and tensile strength. Regular fishing lines can absorb water which can weaken line up to 30%!
•UV Resistance : Hybrid's fluorocarbon qualities allow it to resist UV light which can weaken line and shorten its durability. Hybrid stays stronger, longer. This Hybrid durability allows the line to last four to five times longer than regular fishing lines.
•Casting Distance : Hybrid's slick finish allows it to easily slide through the guides causing little resistance during the cast and increases distance. The nylon qualities of Hybrid allow it to be softer and more supple line for distance casting.
•Low Visibility : Hybrid's blend of fluorocarbon and nylon allows it to have lower light refractory which means less visibility underwater.
•Abrasion Resistance : The hard, smooth outer feel created by the blend of fluorocarbon and nylon of Hybrid helps resist abrasion from rocks, wrecks, snags, or sharp toothed fish.
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J Francho reply :
You can't paint all copoly with the same brush. You can pretty much use them for all your fishing.
bassin is addicting reply :
based on the reviews/recommendation of RW and others here, I tried the yo-zuri US a few years ago on all my spinning reels.
i love it. i use the 6 & 8lb both. with KVD line conditioner it works really well. strength is way above the rating.
i use it for all applications...cranking, worms, topwater...i can't afford specific set ups for every type of fishing so i have to use some for all around and i use co-poly on all those
i also picked up some McCoy copolymer last year on sale and really like it too...
North Ga Hillbilly reply :
I use 25# CXX with all my big swimbaits. It is stiffer than big game lets say, and has less stretch. I regularly straighten out #2 Owner ST-36's to get lures back, its got some serious strength.
NGaHB
SoFlaBassAddict reply :
On 4/20/2012 at 2:27 AM, smalljaw67 said:copolymer is mono plain and simple but some are better than others.
You are aware of what the word mono means I hope. Fluorocarbon is a mono where co-poly is not a true mono. Just throwin that out there.
That being said, I've used co-poly for years and have never had a real complaint with it. You kind of get the best of both worlds with it. I doubt I'll ever go out fishing without it on a couple of reels.
J Francho reply :
Copolymer is a mono filament line made with two different materials. To further blur the picture, there are also coated lines, like Yo-Zuri Hybrid and P-Line Fluoroclear.
BassWhole! reply :
Ah, extrusion exclusion illusion, I like it...
flicker1 reply :
Does Yo-Zuri Hybrid sink?
roadwarrior reply :
On 4/20/2012 at 8:57 PM, J Francho said:Copolymer is a mono filament line made with two different materials. To further blur the picture, there are also coated lines, like Yo-Zuri Hybrid and P-Line Fluoroclear.
Yo-Zuri Hybrid is bonded, not coated.
J Francho reply :
OK, "bonded" then. Only adds to the blurring. Personally, I don't see the difference. Sounds like marketing terms to me.
Jake P reply :
CXX is a copoly? I thought it was just plain old mono. I looked at pline.com and i didnt see anywhere that it said it was a colpoly? Still love cxx either way!On 4/19/2012 at 10:31 AM, K_Mac said:I use it for everything. I have 6 baitcast and 2 spinning rigs for bass fishing. 12# or 15# CXX on the baitcast, 6# CXX on the spinning. It is strong, abrasion resistant, offers decent sensitivity, and behaves well when treated with KVD Line and Lure.
EDIT: It is also cheap!
LgMouthGambler reply :
Yeah, that pretty much says it all.On 4/20/2012 at 2:48 AM, roadwarrior said:Yo-Zuri Hybrid is a copolymer blend of nylon and fluorocarbon, bonded not coated. The combination results in a line which is stronger than most with an equivalent diameter. #6 has a width of .010" and a breaking strength of 11.9 lbs. The line is noticably more manageable than pure fluorocarbon.
WHY IS YO-ZURI HYBRID™ BETTER THAN OTHER FISHING LINES?
•Strength : Because of the blend of nylon and fluorocarbon our line breaks at a much higher test than listed (see chart).
•Stretch : Hybrid has a lower stretch because of the addition of fluorocarbon. The nylon allows for cast ability. This gives Hybrid more hook setting power.
•Sensitivity : The fluorocarbon blend transfers activity or “feeling” much faster than regular fishing lines. This increased transmission speed allows an angler to feel and react to more bites.
•Wet Strength : Hybrid doesn't absorb water and as a result retains 100% of its dry knot and tensile strength. Regular fishing lines can absorb water which can weaken line up to 30%!
•UV Resistance : Hybrid's fluorocarbon qualities allow it to resist UV light which can weaken line and shorten its durability. Hybrid stays stronger, longer. This Hybrid durability allows the line to last four to five times longer than regular fishing lines.
•Casting Distance : Hybrid's slick finish allows it to easily slide through the guides causing little resistance during the cast and increases distance. The nylon qualities of Hybrid allow it to be softer and more supple line for distance casting.
•Low Visibility : Hybrid's blend of fluorocarbon and nylon allows it to have lower light refractory which means less visibility underwater.
•Abrasion Resistance : The hard, smooth outer feel created by the blend of fluorocarbon and nylon of Hybrid helps resist abrasion from rocks, wrecks, snags, or sharp toothed fish.
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K_Mac reply :
On 4/22/2012 at 9:25 AM, Packman89 said:CXX is a copoly? I thought it was just plain old mono. I looked at pline.com and i didnt see anywhere that it said it was a colpoly? Still love cxx either way!
Yes it is a copolymer. I could not find where it says it either. It used to say it on the spools. Go to the TW website and click-on P-LineCXX.
EDIT: I asked P-Line for their description of the CXX product. I will post their response.
LgMouthGambler reply :
yes, its like a fluoroOn 4/21/2012 at 1:09 AM, flicker1 said:Does Yo-Zuri Hybrid sink?
jdw174 reply :
I began using Silver Thread co-poly from the time Bagleys began importing it from Japan. I used nothing else, eventually moving from the blue label to the SST/AN40. This changed last year when in a fit of madness I bought a spool of Seguar InvizX in 20lb for pitching jigs, and actually won a spool of STREN Fluoro in an online contest in 17lb. I switched to PowerPro braid on my spinning rigs for dropshot/shakeyhead fishing. So far, I'm not sure the fluoro is a bit better than the AN40, although I do like the PP on the spinning tackle. It wouldn't bother me a bit if I had to go back to copoly on all my baitcasters. In the years I've used it, it's been supple, tough, and I never lost a fish due to line breakage.
Jake P reply :
Ok. Was just curious because p line offers another line called c21 copolymer. Didnt understand why they would have 2 copolys and only identify 1....On 4/22/2012 at 1:53 PM, K_Mac said:Yes it is a copolymer. I could not find where it says it either. It used to say it on the spools. Go to the TW website and click-on P-LineCXX.
EDIT: I asked P-Line for their description of the CXX product. I will post their response.
bma3 reply :
Is P-Line Flouroclear sensitive?
CTBassin860 reply :
I use 12#Yo-Zuri on my jig rod.No issues whatsoever
robster80 reply :
I use it for everything..aside from froggin or flippin. My brand of choice is McCoy. Great stuff
BassWhole! reply :
Zombie Alert!
Further North reply :
I really like Lake Forks co-poly lines.
They seem to deliver most of the abrasion resistance of fluoro with the limpness of mono. Good stuff...really good stuff. Makes great leaders too.
Haven't tried any of the others...they may be better...or worse..or the same.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
i know this thread is from 5 years ago but i only use co-poly for swimbaits , namely Gamma co-poly which is dia. to dia. , the strongest line on the market ! it does have a little memory but most all lines do when you get up in the 25 & 30 lb. lines .
Angry John reply :
On 4/15/2017 at 9:12 AM, bma3 said:Is P-Line Flouroclear sensitive?
Not to bash a product but it is my least favorite line of all of them. P-line makes some great stuff just not this line... I like there flouro a lot and am running there 15 lb 100% on my jig rod. If you want a good co-poly use CXX or YHB. I have YHB on a lot of my rods but they both work well.
bma3 reply :
On 4/16/2017 at 11:48 AM, Angry John said:Not to bash a product but it is my least favorite line of all of them. P-line makes some great stuff just not this line... I like there flouro a lot and am running there 15 lb 100% on my jig rod. If you want a good co-poly use CXX or YHB. I have YHB on a lot of my rods but they both work well.
Oh ok. I've just used it this [ast week until I can get some 10lb braid and some flouro
WRB reply :
Copolymer simply means 2 polymers and monofilament line can be a single Nylon monofilament or a blend Nylon with another grade of Nylon or polyester etc., still is a copolymer monofilament line.
Yo-Zuri is a co-extruded hybrid the has a fluorocarbon jacket extruded over a copolymer core, not a copolymer line, but a hybrid line. Yo-Zuri gets it's strength from it's oversize diameter, it's larger in diameter than other lines per rated pound test, just a fact.
The subject of mono vs coploy vs hybrid vs FC is blurred beyond salvaging today. Bass anglers are happy calling over size line fat line.
Tom
Angry John reply :
On 4/16/2017 at 1:33 PM, WRB said:Copolymer simply means 2 polymers and monofilament line can be a single Nylon monofilament or a blend Nylon with another grade of Nylon or polyester etc., still is a copolymer monofilament line.
Yo-Zuri is a co-extruded hybrid the has a fluorocarbon jacket extruded over a copolymer core, not a copolymer line, but a hybrid line. Yo-Zuri gets it's strength from it's oversize diameter, it's larger in diameter than other lines per rated pound test, just a fact.
The subject of mono vs coploy vs hybrid vs FC is blurred beyond salvaging today. Bass anglers are happy calling over size line fat line.
Tom
While some of this is true shop line by diameter not rated strength. The industry likes to "pull the wool over our eyes" and a direct comparison of lines by dia is the only real way to be fair. I like YHB because of its knot strength compared to flouro and low stretch.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
this is a comparision of 20 lb. lines - (look at the diameter )
Marti reply :
I just read a kvd forum and copolymer is a more durable floro
it doesent dissapere as much but it is more abrasion resistant
It sinks
WRB reply :
Let's just dump all the monofilamentf Nylon, polyester, Fluorocarbon into one pot and call them what they are mono. It appears copolymer or 2 polymers mixed together has lots it's identity in the fishing line world. Hybrids are co extrusions in the polymer manufacturing world of plastics, Yo-Zuri is a classic co extruded product, the polymers are not blended together as in copolymer, the Fluorocarbon is a jacket extruded over a copolymer core, i.e.; hybrid.
When terminology loses it's unique identity trying to communicate using the same term with different definitions becomes futile.
Tom
FryDog62 reply :
In the old days I liked straight wines like Merlot or Cabernet... and a “red blend” was just a cheap table wine to avoid. Now today’s blends are tested to take out as many negatives of one kind of grape and get the better parts of others. Not perfect but much improved...
I see Co-polymer much the same way ...
islandbass reply :
On 4/15/2017 at 9:12 AM, bma3 said:Is P-Line Flouroclear sensitive?
I would say yes and I’ve used it, and like it, but nothing more magical about it over a comparable mono/fluoro.
Any line, no matter how dense, if completely limp, won’t transmit feedback.
burrows reply :
On 4/15/2017 at 9:12 AM, bma3 said:Is P-Line Flouroclear sensitive?
It’s got good sensitivity.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
On 4/20/2012 at 2:48 AM, roadwarrior said:Yo-Zuri Hybrid is a copolymer blend of nylon and fluorocarbon, bonded not coated. The combination results in a line which is stronger than most with an equivalent diameter. #6 has a width of .010" and a breaking strength of 11.9 lbs. The line is noticably more manageable than pure fluorocarbon.
WHY IS YO-ZURI HYBRID™ BETTER THAN OTHER FISHING LINES?
•Strength : Because of the blend of nylon and fluorocarbon our line breaks at a much higher test than listed (see chart).
•Stretch : Hybrid has a lower stretch because of the addition of fluorocarbon. The nylon allows for cast ability. This gives Hybrid more hook setting power.
•Sensitivity : The fluorocarbon blend transfers activity or “feeling” much faster than regular fishing lines. This increased transmission speed allows an angler to feel and react to more bites.
•Wet Strength : Hybrid doesn't absorb water and as a result retains 100% of its dry knot and tensile strength. Regular fishing lines can absorb water which can weaken line up to 30%!
•UV Resistance : Hybrid's fluorocarbon qualities allow it to resist UV light which can weaken line and shorten its durability. Hybrid stays stronger, longer. This Hybrid durability allows the line to last four to five times longer than regular fishing lines.
•Casting Distance : Hybrid's slick finish allows it to easily slide through the guides causing little resistance during the cast and increases distance. The nylon qualities of Hybrid allow it to be softer and more supple line for distance casting.
•Low Visibility : Hybrid's blend of fluorocarbon and nylon allows it to have lower light refractory which means less visibility underwater.
•Abrasion Resistance : The hard, smooth outer feel created by the blend of fluorocarbon and nylon of Hybrid helps resist abrasion from rocks, wrecks, snags, or sharp toothed fish.
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yozuri hybrid in 6 lb. is the size of most brands 10lb. , so breaking at 12 lbs. is nothing to write home about ....
roadwarrior reply :
Really...
Ande is recognized as the standard for fishing World Records. #6 has the same diameter
as Yo-Zuri Hybrid.
https://andemonofilament.com/pages/line-specs
FryDog62 reply :
I fished with Berkley 100% Fluorocarbon 6 lb on my spinning gear for many years. It’s diameter is .010. I got tired of the stretch and switched to Yo-Zuri Hybrid 6 lb which also has .010 diameter. YZH is a much tougher line and a lot less stretch than the Berkley Fluorocarbon. Did a stretch test on both lines both wet and dry... winner YZH by a wide margin. I don’t notice an appreciable difference in sink rate or sensitivity. However, Berkley came off the reel like a coiled slinky and frequently fouled up. YZH I don’t even use line conditioner, let my kids use it, rarely a line management issue...
Skspacemonkey reply :
On 4/20/2012 at 2:48 AM, roadwarrior said:Yo-Zuri Hybrid is a copolymer blend of nylon and fluorocarbon, bonded not coated. The combination results in a line which is stronger than most with an equivalent diameter. #6 has a width of .010" and a breaking strength of 11.9 lbs. The line is noticably more manageable than pure fluorocarbon.
WHY IS YO-ZURI HYBRID™ BETTER THAN OTHER FISHING LINES?
•Strength : Because of the blend of nylon and fluorocarbon our line breaks at a much higher test than listed (see chart).
•Stretch : Hybrid has a lower stretch because of the addition of fluorocarbon. The nylon allows for cast ability. This gives Hybrid more hook setting power.
•Sensitivity : The fluorocarbon blend transfers activity or “feeling” much faster than regular fishing lines. This increased transmission speed allows an angler to feel and react to more bites.
•Wet Strength : Hybrid doesn't absorb water and as a result retains 100% of its dry knot and tensile strength. Regular fishing lines can absorb water which can weaken line up to 30%!
•UV Resistance : Hybrid's fluorocarbon qualities allow it to resist UV light which can weaken line and shorten its durability. Hybrid stays stronger, longer. This Hybrid durability allows the line to last four to five times longer than regular fishing lines.
•Casting Distance : Hybrid's slick finish allows it to easily slide through the guides causing little resistance during the cast and increases distance. The nylon qualities of Hybrid allow it to be softer and more supple line for distance casting.
•Low Visibility : Hybrid's blend of fluorocarbon and nylon allows it to have lower light refractory which means less visibility underwater.
•Abrasion Resistance : The hard, smooth outer feel created by the blend of fluorocarbon and nylon of Hybrid helps resist abrasion from rocks, wrecks, snags, or sharp toothed fish.
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Can you use it for top waters?
FryDog62 reply :
On 11/20/2017 at 10:49 AM, Skspacemonkey said:Can you use it for top waters?
Yes, I have two poles rigged for topwater ... one with braid and the other YZH. Works great and doesn’t foul up with the trebles on casts as much as braid can. YZH is neutrally buoyant, doesn’t sink the nose of the topwater lure down. Lowest stretch line you will find outside of braided line.
BassWhole! reply :
On 10/26/2017 at 6:34 AM, FryDog62 said:In the old days I liked straight wines like Merlot or Cabernet... and a “red blend” was just a cheap table wine to avoid. Now today’s blends are tested to take out as many negatives of one kind of grape and get the better parts of others. Not perfect but much improved...
I see Co-polymer much the same way ...
A balanced bouquet with just the right blend of intensity in the front end and a pleasing finish hinting at apricots and pears, bold without offending... (I sprayed a little KVD line conditioner on my tongue) I'd rather do that than get near any Merlot, it and gin are the only things I won't drink.
new2BC4bass reply :
On 4/15/2017 at 9:12 AM, bma3 said:Is P-Line Flouroclear sensitive?
Don't know. Tried some (10# I think) on a reel I took to Florida with me. Reel got set aside the first day of use because the line broke too easily. Luckily I had a couple spare reels with me.
OP Hopefully it is good for everything, because that is how I use it. Yes, I have fluoro and braid on a few reels, but mono/co-polymers on the vast majority.
I have bulk spools of 8# and 12# AN40 at the recommendation of smalljaw67. He didn't recommend bulk spools, just AN40. 
I like it.
On 4/15/2017 at 9:12 AM, bma3 said:
David P reply :
On 10/29/2017 at 8:59 PM, roadwarrior said:Really...
Ande is recognized as the standard for fishing World Records. #6 has the same diameter
as Yo-Zuri Hybrid.
https://andemonofilament.com/pages/line-specs
That’s cool and all, but that still doesn’t mean there’s not better strength to diameter ratio lines out there... YZH is a decent line, but far from the holy grail that some tout it as.
roadwarrior reply :
Well, I think Hybrid is a good line, but for the past couple of years I have gravitated to
Tatsu and Smackdown with a Tatsu leader for single hook presentations. For treble hooks
I like Sunline Armilo. Important exceptions are on a couple on dedicated rigs that are
spooled with Yo-Zuri #4 (8.5 lb breaking strength).
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