Tying Braid Directly To Spool On Baitcaster?? 2024
meade95 reply :
When tying braid on to a new baitcaster. Can I tie direct to spool or do I need to use mono first?? Ive been seeing people using the spool holes (on newer baitcasters) and tying just through one of those to lock on the spool.
I'm getting some slippage (as I tied direct, but not through the holes provided on the spool reel). Looking for advice.
Thanks!
5fishlimit reply :
You can put some electricians tape around the spool beforehand. This will give the braid something to grab onto, but most people use some mono backing so that they can use a spool of braid on multiple reels.
HardcoreBassin reply :
On 3/18/2015 at 10:28 PM, 5fishlimit said:You can put some electricians tape around the spool beforehand. This will give the braid something to grab onto, but most people use some mono backing so that they can use a spool of braid on multiple reels.
X2. If you use mono backing you'll be more cost efficient in spooling the braid.
- Dale
Choporoz reply :
Certainly, backing is an option.
But, I, like the OP, have wondered why you can't/shouldn't tie the braid using the holes in the spool.
Preytorien reply :
I use the electrical tape solution. That said, I don't even tie a knot since I can't remember the last time I ever actually spooled a reel while fighting a fish. It keeps the line lay a bit flatter
meade95 reply :
I've definitely felt some slippage (like drag not working) on two recent bigger bass. I dumbly tied the braid right to the spool. About 8 poles worth. So now I'm trying to figure out my choices.
Being able to tie to the holes in the new baitcasters spools seems like easiest solution (but is it best?? will it work). WHy are the holes there?? if not for tying too?
If I use mono, how much mono is needed. Just a small layer around the bottom. I need to also look up best knot to tie mono to braid with then.
Thanks for advice
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
I tie directly to spool with braid on my 50 size shimano reels. I dont use leaders so slowly work my way through the line. Once the braid gets low enough thats when Ill add mono backing to get the spool full again.
You will be fine having tied directly to the spool.
rippin-lips reply :
The holes are there to lighten the spool but you can tie the line through them and there won't be any issues. People do it all the time. Looks like you're going to have to tie your line to something and walk it off down to the spool. Tie through the holes and reel it all back on.
JeziHogg reply :
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
You need something to keep the braid from slipping. Backing, tape or tying to the wiffle spool will all work. There's no mechanical reason I can think of to not tie to the spool, but something about it, I just don't like the idea. I use backing myself as I can't see loading a reel full of braid that will never see the light of day.
Alpha Male reply :
All of the above solutions work. Like you I found out the hard way that braid slips on the spool sometimes. You can tie through the holes, I do on some reels, or use backing, or even the tape.
For me it depends on the line capacity of the reel as to which solution I use. I most reels that hold 120 yards of 12lb mono I usually tie directly to the spool and with 30lb braid can put on about 140 yards. that way after a year or re-tieing I will take the braid off and add some backing to fill the spool up. if it has a larger spool then I just do the best I can to put 100 yards of braid on so that one spool get me 3 reels worth.
Alpha Male reply :
On 3/18/2015 at 11:20 PM, rippin-lips said:The holes are there to lighten the spool but you can tie the line through them and there won't be any issues. People do it all the time. Looks like you're going to have to tie your line to something and walk it off down to the spool. Tie through the holes and reel it all back on.
I prefer to spool it to another reel and the tighten the tension knob when re-spooling the original reel to prevent backlashes.
meade95 reply :
So if I plan to use only braid and respool every year. I could us the black electrician tape way? It works effectively? Just wrap spool with electiraincan tape first? Then tie slip not to that and begin to spool
Alpha Male reply :
On 3/18/2015 at 11:49 PM, meade95 said:So if I plan to use only braid and respool every year. I could us the black electrician tape way? It works effectively? Just wrap spool with electiraincan tape first? Then tie slip not to that and begin to spool
There is no need to repsool every year. one of the advantages of braid is that it should last 5+years.
RB 77 reply :
Electrical tape, masking tape, flex wrap, will all work fine. I use about ten - 20 cranks of monofilament.
meade95 reply :
Thanks everyone! Just reread all advice. I plan to do the backing I'm thinking. I'll spool out to another reel and go from there. Best easiest knot to tie mono to braid is?
RB 77 reply :
On 3/18/2015 at 11:55 PM, meade95 said:Thanks everyone! Just reread all advice. I plan to do the backing I'm thinking. I'll spool out to another reel and go from there. Best easiest knot to tie mono to braid is?
Uni to Uni. Its a "big" knot, but it easy to tie and strong. It will be "burried" anyway, so no need to fret. I also use the modified Albright for some applications. Its a very "thin" and strong knot, but can be tricky to tie (cinch down) in some case.
Choporoz reply :
On 3/18/2015 at 11:55 PM, meade95 said:Thanks everyone! Just reread all advice. I plan to do the backing I'm thinking. I'll spool out to another reel and go from there. Best easiest knot to tie mono to braid is?
Best easiest? I like that phrasing.
http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/152999-whats-the-best-braid-to-fluoro-knot/
Personally, I think Blood may be easiest...some bamini/bikini impossible contraption that I saw on a video may be best....but Albright just might be the best easiest....unless its uni/uni or Alberto or ....
meade95 reply :
Really appreciate the all the advice! I'm a dipsh*t for not looking into this prior to respooling all my reels. Cost me a good fish yesterday and I noticed it on several others I boated. Thanks again.
Goose52 reply :
The question has already been answered....but to those who wonder why you shouldn't just tie to the holes in the spool, or you DO tie to the holes in the spool but feel uneasy about it, I would pose a question: In the event you ever hook-up with fish like these...do you want to have the chance of getting spooled and then be in a tug of war with a 35-50 pound fish, with 20-65 pound braid, and have all that fight being transmitted through your spool shafts? OR, would you just want to be spooled and lose the cost of the line?
Me? I'd rather tape the braid to the spool if I wasn't using backing, or if using nylon mono backing, I'm using an arbor knot for the mono.
Just depends on what kind of fish you might run into I guess... 
Sam reply :
Try to match the diameter of the braid with the diameter of the mono backing.
Penguino reply :
For the Uni-Uni knot, the lines have to be approxiametly the same diameter. Not exactly but pretty close. I agree with Goose. If you deal with a huge carp or bass, and your braid is tied to your wiffle spool, all that tension will be placed on your reel gears. Not a good thing at all.
meade95 reply :
Many do have confidence is just using braid tired to spool (with spool covered in black electricians tape). Sans going with the backing of mono.
I guess I plan to try each but if tape on spool is enough I kind of like the ease with that! (I have 10 poles to restring now! ).
meade95 reply :
The uni to uni knot does seem simple enough. I guess I will do both. Some with backing of mono and maybe try just with tape on spool for some. (How much tape. Just once wrapped around. Or several wraps of tape?).
meade95 reply :
I've respooled 4 reels tonight. Went with just the electrician tape around the spool / braid tied to taped spool (have to go out and get some mono to test that method). I've never experienced the slippage I felt yesterday on the water so this has me thinking all day.
It is interesting that simple electrician tape around spool does the trick (I only wrapped around maybe 2 / 3 times). that enough is good for the braid to not slip I believe??
Wonder if reels will go to a type of rubber fitting around the spool to solve this braid issue (pre market purchase).
rippin-lips reply :
I use electrical tape around the spool on a few of my reels that don't hold a lot of line. Never had an issue with slipping.
roadwarrior reply :
On 3/18/2015 at 11:23 PM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:You need something to keep the braid from slipping. Backing, tape or tying to the wiffle spool will all work. There's no mechanical reason I can think of to not tie to the spool, but something about it, I just don't like the idea. I use backing myself as I can't see loading a reel full of braid that will never see the light of day.
Then you can replace the braided line as needed, 60 yards or so at a time.
A 200 yard spool is enough to spool three times.
DelcoSol reply :
I have heard of people using Teflon tape for plumbing instead of electrical tape. It will not leave any residue on the spool.
0119 reply :
I tie braid directly to my spool when in the very rare occasion I use braid. There are a lot of good reasons to not use backing or tape especially if you fish salt/brackish water. Mono backing absorbs water and holds it against your spool where one day it'll not dry well enough depending how you store your stuff. Corrosion will begin and the price of a new spool is usually a lot. Using tape does the same thing and corrosion will eventually start. Unless you devise a system where you remove your reels from the rods and allow a few days of sitting out say on a desk top somewhere to let the mono deep under that braid, time to dry. Mono backing is not very popular with serious saltwater anglers or at least ones who think about their equipment. All you need to do is wrap the braid 5 or 6 times around the spool then use a uni knot as shown on Jose Weibe's you tube video. Using more braid is cheaper than having to pay for a new spool.
Crestliner2008 reply :
Another reason why not to tie direct could be economical. If the average spool of braid contains about 125 yards, that's at least two or three re-fills if you use 50% backing on any reel (spinning included). Better to toss 60 or 70 yards of braid than 125. And when is the last time you could cast a foot ball field?
meade95 reply :
As I continue in my process of respooling all my baitcasters with backing / tape or tied to the spool....I am somewhat surprised to see that modern day $120+ baitcasters sold today aren't ready out of the box to throw todays top quality braid without some type of after purchase work around to stop slippage....
I also wonder the more I look at it why tying directly to the spool holes would cause any concern (it certainly would stop the ability for any slippage) and unless you run down to the spool on a fish....or close to out....would it really put that much more added pressure on the bearing system of the reel?
I was also reading where some pros USE braid as their backing for mono for further casting abilities (yet these pros never talked of slippage caused by braid being tied direct). Are they tying to the spool holes??? Are they using mono, braid, mono type deal? (that seems insane).
DelcoSol reply :
On 3/20/2015 at 5:40 PM, 119 said:I tie braid directly to my spool when in the very rare occasion I use braid. There are a lot of good reasons to not use backing or tape especially if you fish salt/brackish water. Mono backing absorbs water and holds it against your spool where one day it'll not dry well enough depending how you store your stuff. Corrosion will begin and the price of a new spool is usually a lot. Using tape does the same thing and corrosion will eventually start. Unless you devise a system where you remove your reels from the rods and allow a few days of sitting out say on a desk top somewhere to let the mono deep under that braid, time to dry. Mono backing is not very popular with serious saltwater anglers or at least ones who think about their equipment. All you need to do is wrap the braid 5 or 6 times around the spool then use a uni knot as shown on Jose Weibe's you tube video. Using more braid is cheaper than having to pay for a new spool.
Isn't the braid more absorbent than the mono?
lectricbassman reply :
On 3/18/2015 at 11:49 PM, meade95 said:So if I plan to use only braid and respool every year. I could us the black electrician tape way?
Go ahead and spend a bit more on white or gray electrical tape. Black tape will eventually leave black adhesive on your spool. While this probably isnt a deal breaker the colored tape is a much cleaner way to go in the long run. 1 roll should last a loooong time!
0119 reply :
On 3/21/2015 at 10:48 PM, DelcoSol said:Isn't the braid more absorbent than the mono?
Not according to the makers and worshippers of superlines. The materials Dyneema and Spectra are not porous nor absorbant.
Alpha Male reply :
I was surprised to see how little braid i use on an average casting spool. I bought a 300 yard spool of sufix 832 and planned on using 100yards on 3 different reels. I put what i thought was 20-25 yards of 12 mono on the spool and after all 3 reels were done i still had an easy 66-75yards of braid left.
I do have 2 reels that have minimal backing. My frog rod with 40lb braid and my flipping stick. The frog rod started 2 years ago with 140 yards of 40lb power pro tied through the spool and after each year i reeled the braid onto another reel added enough mono to fill up the spool. In 2 years i have gone through about 25yards or so.
And my flippin stick is the only heavy action rod i have so it pulls quadruple duty as a flippin stick, deep crankbait rod, swimbait, and northen pike rod. The revo winch holds 180 yards of 12lb line so i use 20 yards of backing and put all 150 yards of 50lb on.
BadBassWV reply :
Never used backing, always tied direct to the spool on my Tatulas. I've never had a slipping problem.
meade95 reply :
This solved the issue. Easy and makes what seems to me the perfect braid to spool solution (non slip). I did 4 reels direct and 4 reels with this knot over tape. Great quick video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QirU7zw6Bw
PitchinJigz reply :
If you're using backing, make sure to balance your spool for maximum and smooth casts. TackleJunky81 made a video on YouTube for it, just search for "spool balance" on his channel.
John G reply :
Tying directly to the holes may work fine but it seems kinda amateurish to me.
zeth reply :
electrical tape will solve all of your problems.
BadBassWV reply :
On 3/23/2015 at 3:43 AM, John G said:Tying directly to the holes may work fine but it seems kinda amateurish to me.
You've got to explain this one LOL!!!!!!!!
John G reply :
On 3/23/2015 at 4:20 AM, BadBassWV said:You've got to explain this one LOL!!!!!!!!
No explanation needed IMHO!
BadBassWV reply :
That's kinda what I thought you would say. I guess only us pro's no how to tie directly to the spool and not get slippage or damage the reel. LOL!!!!!
John G reply :
On 3/23/2015 at 4:27 AM, BadBassWV said:That's kinda what I thought you would say. I guess only us pro's no how to tie directly to the spool and not get slippage or damage the reel. LOL!!!!!
The 2 reasons that you mention have nothing at all to do with why I don't tie directly to the spool. I don't tie directly to the spool because as DVT mentioned on page 1 of this Thread, there is just something about it that doesn't seem right to me.
curtis9 reply :
On 3/23/2015 at 1:29 AM, meade95 said:This solved the issue. Easy and makes what seems to me the perfect braid to spool solution (non slip). I did 4 reels direct and 4 reels with this knot over tape. Great quick video.
Interesting idea, but seems it would leave a huge bulge where the line is tied to the spool.
meade95 reply :
On 3/23/2015 at 4:46 AM, curtis9 said:Interesting idea, but seems it would leave a huge bulge where the line is tied to the spool.
Nope, I've rigged 4 up this way today and no real bulge. Feels extremely secure with no way for line to slip.
Jeff H reply :
On 3/19/2015 at 2:37 AM, Goose52 said:The question has already been answered....but to those who wonder why you shouldn't just tie to the holes in the spool, or you DO tie to the holes in the spool but feel uneasy about it, I would pose a question: In the event you ever hook-up with fish like these...do you want to have the chance of getting spooled and then be in a tug of war with a 35-50 pound fish, with 20-65 pound braid, and have all that fight being transmitted through your spool shafts? OR, would you just want to be spooled and lose the cost of the line?
Me? I'd rather tape the braid to the spool if I wasn't using backing, or if using nylon mono backing, I'm using an arbor knot for the mono.
Just depends on what kind of fish you might run into I guess...
Shazam! That sure looks like fun!
Goose52 reply :
On 3/23/2015 at 10:13 AM, Jeff H said:Shazam! That sure looks like fun!
Fun for sure. Those carp are just about the only "big game" that I have in my water (not counting perhaps a big channel cat) and any single one of those fish probably pulled more drag than all the bass I will catch the rest of my life... 
For the purposes of this thread, the point I was trying to illustrate is that depending on where you fish, you might have something on the end of your line that you're not expecting, whether it's a big cat, striper, musky, etc., and you might have 80 yards of line out in the water with the fish still pulling drag and you can start to see the bottom of the spool.....
Brnnoser6983 reply :
Your only going to lose (if that) on reel of line.
If you have an empty spool un spool one reel. Than from there use the line from one reel to spool the one you just un spooled. Just tire a uni knot or what ever you prefer.
Don't forget the backing our take this time.
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