How much braid do you load on top of mono? 2024
wasabi_VA reply :
I’m switching numerous spinning reels over to braid and trying to not have small amounts of leftover braid on my reel filler spools. Just feels like wasted money when there is 25 to 50 yards left over that can’t be used to refill a spool.
I have a few 150 yard filler spools to use so was planning to put 75 yards each reel. I literally was going to string all 150 yards out in a field, snip it at the midpoint, then spool it up onto 2 different reels. If I don’t do that i’m Likely to spool up more that 75 yards onto the first reel, then have less on the 2nd reel.
I also have a couple 300 yard spools on order. I can walk out 75 to 100 yards and spool it up which will let me at least keep better track of the amount remaining. Guess i’m Hoping someone has a better idea. Thanks
MN Fisher reply :
If you're going to split a spool in half - walking it out is your best bet. To make sure they're the same length, loop the line over a smooth-bark tree branch (ash, poplar or willow) then walk away with the spool and the free end in your hands. When you reach the end of the spool, walk back to the tree and snip - voila, equal lengths.
Heartland reply :
basshtx reply :
I still don't understand why people do this. Quality braid is so cheap now...
If you're worried about backing all you need is 1" of electrical tape on the spool...
Happybeerbuzz reply :
I used a laser range finder to find a land mark in my neighbor’s yard that is 70 yards away. I set the rod down with the filler spool tied to the backing, unspool from the fill spool as I walk to my neighbor’s yard, tie on a 4 oz weight, go back to my rod, and reel. I use swivel clip just to eliminate any line twist. It takes less than five minutes.
wasabi_VA reply :
Mainly interested in the length or amount of line. Is 75 yards a good amount?
Jig Man reply :
On 1/20/2019 at 8:25 PM, wasabi_VA said:Mainly interested in the length or amount of line. Is 75 yards a good amount?
I have no idea how far your casts typically go but I would think that would be enough. I don't really measure mine. When I put braid on a setup, I put on a practice plug and cast it toward the neighbors driveway. I go to the plug and walk off 10 more yards. I go back to the house and cut off the line, tie on the braid and put on what it takes to nicely fill the spool. This has worked for me since I started using braid close to 20 years ago.
bayvalle reply :
You're overthinking this. Doesn't have to be an exact science just judge by how far it fills the spool on the reel. Personally I prefer a very little backing (old mono) and use braid to fill the reel, when the braid gets older reverse it on the reel. I can get many years this way.
Choporoz reply :
On 1/20/2019 at 8:25 PM, wasabi_VA said:Mainly interested in the length or amount of line. Is 75 yards a good amount?
Yes
Choporoz reply :
But....75 yards should be fine for now. But there's other considerations beyond how far you might normally cast.
1. Getting near the connecting knot can be a little maddening....whether it's how the line lays on the knot, or worrying if you're getting close to it after a couple months of attrition, or even if your braid starts 'catching' on the knot tags....even slight nicking during a cast will make you crazy.
2. Braid can last for years and you can reverse it on the spool after it fades or otherwise seems slightly worn.
So, consider putting whole 150 on a reel....or maybe buy line in 100 yard increment spools and spool up 100 at a time.
Knot a recommendation so much as more to think about than just maximum cast distance
fin reply :
Do you use a leader? If you use a lighter weight leader, you could go even shorter than 75 yards. You could go 50. But if you're not using a leader, then every time you break off, you risk having to put on new line. There's always the possibility of wind knots that force you to cut the line. Sometimes it's better to just not use a mono backing at all, and reverse the line after a year or whatever.
Another way to measure line is to wrap it around a spool (or something) that has a circumference of one foot, or one yard. A diameter of 11.45916" will give you a circumference of one yard, A diameter of 3.81972" will give you a circumference of one foot. Of course you don't have to be that exact.
CrankFate reply :
None. Braid wont slip on the spool. Just leave a tail 1/2 the width of the spool and lay it horizontally across the spool, then spool tightly. This is a problem from generations ago, when spools were completely smooth at the arbor. If the spool has any texture, bumps, grooves or holes on it, do yourself a favor and go commando.
HOG727 reply :
Not using backing is wasteful. Quality braid is expensive to me but may not be expensive for everybody. Seaguar Smackdown is 30.00$ at Tackle Whorehouse for 150 yds. Using backing saves 15 bucks a reel per year for me. I can still reverse 75 yards of it. Aaron Martens uses braid backing as do I. Theory dictates it's lighter and you can cast further with a lighter spool. I simply apply a 2 inch strip of painters tape over my knot to keep it smoothed down. This has the added benefit of limiting any backlash to the depth of the tape. I actually use less than 75 yards because I always have backup rod/reels handy and so getting a few yards broke off isn't a factor to me as I'll just grab another reel. I can't stand fishing a reel that isn't fully spooled anyway.
OnthePotomac reply :
I shoot for about 45yds of braid and use my line counter.
Heartland reply :
I love the posts that center around this question. I love the inventive, complicated, time consuming ways that others come up with for completing such a simple task.
LionHeart reply :
I downloaded a distance tracking app on my phone to walk off distance. Pretty sure it's nowhere near as accurate as a range finder, but it was free, and does the job for me.
If you've got a tape measure laying around, just measure it. That's what I used to do.
Come to think of it, just walk off 40 yards. That's how much backing you should need for a 100 size reel. Fill the rest with braid and it should be about 75 yards worth.
CrankFate reply :
On 1/21/2019 at 4:41 AM, Heartland said:I love the posts that center around this question. I love the inventive, complicated, time consuming ways that others come up with for completing such a simple task.
roadwarrior reply :
On 1/21/2019 at 5:39 AM, CrankFate said:
About half a spool and you DON"T need to measure.
ike8120 reply :
I got a deal on Power Pro and only have one reel to spool. I got 2 150 yd spools for $11.50 Don't think I will use backing. I will just be spooling it up.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 1/21/2019 at 4:00 AM, HOG727 said:Not using backing is wasteful. Quality braid is expensive to me but may not be expensive for everybody. Seaguar Smackdown is 30.00$ at Tackle Whorehouse for 150 yds. Using backing saves 15 bucks a reel per year for me. I can still reverse 75 yards of it. Aaron Martens uses braid backing as do I. Theory dictates it's lighter and you can cast further with a lighter spool. I simply apply a 2 inch strip of painters tape over my knot to keep it smoothed down. This has the added benefit of limiting any backlash to the depth of the tape. I actually use less than 75 yards because I always have backup rod/reels handy and so getting a few yards broke off isn't a factor to me as I'll just grab another reel. I can't stand fishing a reel that isn't fully spooled anyway.
Thats incorrect. Less line is wasted if a spool is fully filled with braid from the start.
Heartland reply :
On 1/21/2019 at 11:34 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:Thats incorrect. Less line is wasted if a spool is fully filled with braid from the start.
Please elaborate....
kenmitch reply :
On 1/21/2019 at 4:00 AM, HOG727 said:Not using backing is wasteful. Quality braid is expensive to me but may not be expensive for everybody. Seaguar Smackdown is 30.00$ at Tackle Whorehouse for 150 yds. Using backing saves 15 bucks a reel per year for me. I can still reverse 75 yards of it. Aaron Martens uses braid backing as do I. Theory dictates it's lighter and you can cast further with a lighter spool. I simply apply a 2 inch strip of painters tape over my knot to keep it smoothed down. This has the added benefit of limiting any backlash to the depth of the tape. I actually use less than 75 yards because I always have backup rod/reels handy and so getting a few yards broke off isn't a factor to me as I'll just grab another reel. I can't stand fishing a reel that isn't fully spooled anyway.
I guess the word quality is subjective. Paying $30 for 150 yds of Smackdown braid to most of us would be considered foolish. Most users wouldn't even consider it due to it's price point.
ChrisD46 reply :
On 1/21/2019 at 4:00 AM, HOG727 said:Not using backing is wasteful. Quality braid is expensive to me but may not be expensive for everybody. Seaguar Smackdown is 30.00$ at Tackle Whorehouse for 150 yds. Using backing saves 15 bucks a reel per year for me. I can still reverse 75 yards of it. Aaron Martens uses braid backing as do I. Theory dictates it's lighter and you can cast further with a lighter spool. I simply apply a 2 inch strip of painters tape over my knot to keep it smoothed down. This has the added benefit of limiting any backlash to the depth of the tape. I actually use less than 75 yards because I always have backup rod/reels handy and so getting a few yards broke off isn't a factor to me as I'll just grab another reel. I can't stand fishing a reel that isn't fully spooled anyway.
Good advice for a bait cast reel - A -Mart starts with a few feet of mono , then cheap braid backing and then finally his preferred main line braid . Supposedly added casting distance due to lighter spool (bait caster) ... For a spinning reel I just eye ball it and spool about 65% ~ 70% with cheap 10 lb. mono then my main line Power Pro #10 ~ #15 lb. braid and what ever leader - of the - day I'll be using .
LionHeart reply :
On 1/22/2019 at 5:59 AM, ChrisD46 said:Good advice for a bait cast reel - A -Mart starts with a few feet of mono , then cheap braid backing and then finally his preferred main line braid . Supposedly added casting distance due to lighter spool (bait caster) ... For a spinning reel I just eye ball it and spool about 65% ~ 70% with cheap 10 lb. mono then my main line Power Pro #10 ~ #15 lb. braid and what ever leader - of the - day I'll be using .
When guys talk about adding distance with a baitcaster by bearing changes, using braid instead if mono for backing (which seems hilarious to me), etc., I have to wonder if they have brakes and spool tension completely off. If not, start there.
If your brakes and spool tension are wide open and you still aren't satisfied, use less thumb pressure during the cast. If your brakes are fully off, spool tension is fully loose, you use no thumb pressure during cast (and you are somehow not getting massive birdnest), and you still aren't casting far enough, there is probably something mechanically wrong with your reel.
Not trying to be a wise guy, but claiming that using braid as backing adds casting distance seems extremely silly to me.
FishDewd reply :
Keep in mind that spinning reels differ a bit from baitcasting spools, they actually benefit from being filled more than baitcasting ones. Reason between that the spool is stationary and is 90* positioned to the path the line travels. If you put too little on one it'll cost you distance due to the added resistance of traveling over the spool lip. For spinning reels I usually stop a bit below where the lip starts, where the sides of the spool are still flat. Baitcasting reels I stop about 1/8" below top in most cases, but it deeper spools I might stop lower since more line = more diameter = more weight = more force that it takes to get the spool spinning due to inertia. Physics!
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 1/21/2019 at 1:12 PM, Heartland said:Please elaborate....
Wasting 2 pieces of line is twice as much waste as 1 piece of line.
HOG727 reply :
On 1/22/2019 at 5:02 AM, kenmitch said:I guess the word quality is subjective. Paying $30 for 150 yds of Smackdown braid to most of us would be considered foolish. Most users wouldn't even consider it due to it's price point.
if your line cost 10 dollars a refill spool for 150yds, and your reel holds 150yds, your wasting 5 dollars by simply removing all the line off your reel vs taking off half and top-shotting 75 yads of new line. Sorry you and your friends consider Seaguar foolish though.
Columbia Craw reply :
Much learning hath made a man mad.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 1/22/2019 at 12:10 PM, HOG727 said:if your line cost 10 dollars a refill spool for 150yds, and your reel holds 150yds, your wasting 5 dollars by simply removing all the line off your reel vs taking off half and top-shotting 75 yads of new line. Sorry you and your friends consider Seaguar foolish though.
Telling ya you are wasting line using just 75yds instead of filling it completely with 150yds if the reel holds 150yds, simple math.
IMO Smackdown is a foolish purchase overpriced for what you get. There are other lines that are quieter, stronger vs dia, yet cost less or get more per spool.
MN Fisher reply :
On 1/22/2019 at 12:58 PM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:There are other lines that are quieter, stronger vs dia, yet cost less or get more per spool.
I've been using Power Pro on my BC since...forever. Never had a problem with it and at half the price of Smackdown, I'm not going to be switching anytime in the foreseeable future. I also full-fill my BC with PP, no backing means I can use it past the 'magic' 75 yard point.
LionHeart reply :
On 1/22/2019 at 1:04 PM, MN Fisher said:I've been using Power Pro on my BC since...forever. Never had a problem with it and at half the price of Smackdown, I'm not going to be switching anytime in the foreseeable future. I also full-fill my BC with PP, no backing means I can use it past the 'magic' 75 yard point.
No complaints with Power Pro here either. I see no reason to use anything else. As far as filling half the spool with cheap mono first, what can I say? My frugality knows no bounds.
Heartland reply :
On 1/22/2019 at 9:20 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:Wasting 2 pieces of line is twice as much waste as 1 piece of line.
So I am trying to follow your logic with very limited detail. I hear you say that if I cut a 150 yard spool of line into 2 75 yard rolls and spool two separate reels there is twice as much waste. Is that the statement? My mind is telling me there is no savings, the waste either comes from the middle or the ends, it's just a choice.
If you spool 75 yards of braid and typically makes casts of 60 yards then there is the potential for 15 yards waste, it will be less because of having to re-tie, but it makes for and easy number. X2 = 30 yards, both at the ends of the 75 yard rolls. 150 yard spooled on, same cast distance, 60 yards, 90 yards unused, flip it, 60 yard casts, 30 yards in the middle unused. What am I missing? Seems like you just end up with a 30 yard +- piece of line relatively unused vs two 15 yard pieces.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 1/22/2019 at 5:49 PM, Heartland said:So I am trying to follow your logic with very limited detail. I hear you say that if I cut a 150 yard spool of line into 2 75 yard rolls and spool two separate reels there is twice as much waste. Is that the statement? My mind is telling me there is no savings, the waste either comes from the middle or the ends, it's just a choice.
If you spool 75 yards of braid and typically makes casts of 60 yards then there is the potential for 15 yards waste, it will be less because of having to re-tie, but it makes for and easy number. X2 = 30 yards, both at the ends of the 75 yard rolls. 150 yard spooled on, same cast distance, 60 yards, 90 yards unused, flip it, 60 yard casts, 30 yards in the middle unused. What am I missing? Seems like you just end up with a 30 yard +- piece of line relatively unused vs two 15 yard pieces.
Correct
Your mind is wrong. You are not wasting what is in the middle you will eventually use that line as you have break offs tie knots and such.
You are leaving out the piece you throw away once you get to the connection knot. Say 100 feet or so.
You dont want to let the connection knot cast out so you put on new line and waste 100 feet of line. If you do this for 2 75yd top shot reels you waste 200 feet of line vs just 100 feet on the reel you fully filled.
Crow Horse reply :
This is interesting.... I back all my spinning reel spools with mono and top off with braid....
Heartland reply :
On 1/22/2019 at 10:00 PM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:
Correct
Your mind is wrong. You are not wasting what is in the middle you will eventually use that line as you have break offs tie knots and such.
And with that same logic you will eventually use the 15 yards at the end of the 75 yard spool to break offs, tie knots and such. I think we will have to disagree with each other on this.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 8:35 AM, Heartland said:And with that same logic you will eventually use the 15 yards at the end of the 75 yard spool to break offs, tie knots and such. I think we will have to disagree with each other on this.
We can disagree but you will still be wrong. You're just blinded by trying to rationalize your point.
What dont you understand about wasting the amount of line once you throw out to where the connection knot interferes with the cast. Whatever that amount of line is it is doubled by splitting the spool in half. 75 yards on one reel 75 yards on another reel once you get to the connection knot on a cast your cast will be hindered. This amount of line will then be wasted twice instead of just once if you had put on a full spool of line.
In all three reels you will be backfilling to keep the spool at /near a full level as the braid gets used up. It will take longer to use the spool full of braid of course but you still will use it up to the same point as the 1/2 full spools of braid. You will use all but the amount of line that the knot starts hindering the cast which is the same amount as one of 75yard spools. But as you used 2 half spools you get double the waste as in prior examples 100' + 100' = 200' of wasted line vs just 100' from the single full spool.
On the fully spooled reel you will get to use 350' of the 450' spool. On the two 75yd spools you will only get to use 250' of the line. You get 100 more feet of usable line out of the fully spooled reel.
Heartland reply :
On 1/23/2019 at 10:26 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:We can disagree but you will still be wrong. You're just blinded by trying to rationalize your point.
What dont you understand about wasting the amount of line once you throw out to where the connection knot interferes with the cast. Whatever that amount of line is it is doubled by splitting the spool in half. 75 yards on one reel 75 yards on another reel once you get to the connection knot on a cast your cast will be hindered. This amount of line will then be wasted twice instead of just once if you had put on a full spool of line.
In all three reels you will be backfilling to keep the spool at /near a full level as the braid gets used up. It will take longer to use the spool full of braid of course but you still will use it up to the same point as the 1/2 full spools of braid. You will use all but the amount of line that the knot starts hindering the cast which is the same amount as one of 75yard spools. But as you used 2 half spools you get double the waste as in prior examples 100' + 100' = 200' of wasted line vs just 100' from the single full spool.
On the fully spooled reel you will get to use 350' of the 450' spool. On the two 75yd spools you will only get to use 250' of the line. You get 100 more feet of usable line out of the fully spooled reel.
I hear you but I'm not buying it. Most of my casts are 40 yards or less, many are much less. I use braid for frogs and for pitching jigs. Usually a whole lot shorter casts than 40 yards, many probably not more than 10 or 12. I can honestly say that I can never remember reaching the tie knot prior to thinking that the braid was to the point it was ready for a change and I rarely spool more than about 55 yards of braid on top of the backing. I think the point your making works well in theory but fails miserably in practical every day experience. Your mileage may very, especially if you use braid as your primary line for all applications.
Team9nine reply :
I had to read through this one a couple times, then think on it overnight, but have come to the conclusion that depending on how the full spool of line is handled, there are only 3 outcomes. One benefits the split concept argument Heartland mentions, one benefits QUAKEnSHAKES argument, and the third is that the two methods are identical (depends on how you backfill the full spool; but same waste between the two methods). Being on cell right now, I can't detail out the scenarios easily or quickly.
BaitFinesse reply :
I understand. If you fill 100% with braid and fish the line down to the last 100 feet you are wasting less line than if you filled halfway with braid over a backer and wasted the last 100 feet of the braid. You would waste 100 feet of line twice per filler spool of braid for a total of 200 feet of braid vs 100 feet.
This assumes we will fish our braid to the point that only 100 feet remains on the spool when filled 100% with braid. To allow a reel's spool to get that low when filled 100% with braid would mean fishing the reel until the spool is nearly empty. Most do not want their spools to get that low and would respool long before reaching that point throwing away whatever line remained on the spool. Filling with a backer allows you only maintain a consumable portion of braid on the spool essentially increasing the arbor of the spool. Filling 1/2 way with braid is less waste in the sense that the 1st half of the line filled onto the spool is never used be it a backer or straight braid. By using a backer the backer is never discarded and is reused. Filling 100% with braid would require whatever braid remained on the spool to be discarded once the fill level dropped below the angler's desired level with use. I run 100% braid but use shallower spool so my IPT is not as adversely affected when low on line.
Unless I am mistaken Quake's argument is that the entirety of the spool is consumable down to the point where the reel casts down to the arbor and only then is the remaining line discarded.
fishwizzard reply :
On casting reels I use braid with I fill the reel up 100% with braid. Then when the line starts looking lower then I want, I tie on whatever backer and fill the reel back up. Then I take an old empty line spool and using a powerdrill and a old foam paint brush, run the line onto the spool. I then take a second empty spool and run the line on that to get it turned around. Then I re-spool it back onto my reel, filled up perfectly to the top. When the line gets low again I do the same thing, trashing the backing and spooling fresh backing on to whatever amount fills the spool back up. When I get to the point of having less then a full cast of braid on the reel I pull it off and then the old used braid becomes backing for reels I use floro/mono mainline on. Circle of life and all that.
It sounds fussy but it only takes a minute or two. For combos I use a lot I maybe have to do this once or twice a season.
Team9nine reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 7:09 AM, BaitFinesse said:I understand. If you fill 100% with braid and fish the line down to the last 100 feet you are wasting less line than if you filled halfway with braid over a backer and wasted the last 100 feet of the braid. You would waste 100 get of line twice per filler spool of braid for a total of 200 feet of braid vs 100 feet.
This assumes we will fish our braid to the point that only 100 feet remains on the spool when filled 100% with braid. To allow a reel's spool to get that low when filled 100% with braid would mean fishing the reel until the spool is nearly empty. Most do not want their spools to get that low and would respool long before reaching that point throwing away whatever line remained on the spool. Filling with a backer allows you only maintain a consumable portion of braid on the spool essentially increasing the arbor of the spool. Filling 1/2 way with braid is less waste in the sense that the 1st half of the line filled onto the spool is never used be it a backer or straight braid. By using a backer the backer is never discarded and is reused. Filling 100% with braid would require whatever braid remained on the spool to be discarded once the fill level dropped below the angler's desired level with use. I run 100% braid but use shallower spool so my IPT is not as adversely affected when low on line.
Unless I am mistaken Quake's argument is that the entirety of the spool is consumable down to the point where the reel casts down to the arbor and only then is the remaining line discarded.
Yep, the loss of performance, casting ability, altered drag settings and relative gear ratio wouldn't justify keeping a full spool of braid on until you had almost nothing left. That is where Heartland's argument wins out in my analysis. Thanks for writing that up.
However, if you started with a full spool of braid, and then when you lost a certain amount, I calculated 15 yds., you simply add a 15 yd backer (mono) to another reel, attach the braid and wind onto the new reel. You are now back to full spool with braid and have 135 yds to play with. Now, you simply keep repeating every time a reel loses 15 yds of braid, just adding that 15 yds to the next reel as the backer. So "reel 3" would be 30 yds of backer mono and then the remaining 120 yds of braid. Back to a full spool with plenty to play with. "reel 4", 45 yds of backer mono and 105 yds of braid. "Reel 5", 60 yds of mono backer and 90 yds of braid. Finally, "reel 6" is 75 yds of mono backer and 75 yards of remaining braid. Again, full spool of braid for the final time. Doing this, QUAKEnSHAKEs scenario easily wins out, as you could make a full spool of line last roughly 3X as long as cutting that spool into two halves to begin with.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
On 1/24/2019 at 7:09 AM, BaitFinesse said:I understand. If you fill 100% with braid and fish the line down to the last 100 feet you are wasting less line than if you filled halfway with braid over a backer and wasted the last 100 feet of the braid. You would waste 100 feet of line twice per filler spool of braid for a total of 200 feet of braid vs 100 feet.
This assumes we will fish our braid to the point that only 100 feet remains on the spool when filled 100% with braid. To allow a reel's spool to get that low when filled 100% with braid would mean fishing the reel until the spool is nearly empty. Most do not want their spools to get that low and would respool long before reaching that point throwing away whatever line remained on the spool. Filling with a backer allows you only maintain a consumable portion of braid on the spool essentially increasing the arbor of the spool. Filling 1/2 way with braid is less waste in the sense that the 1st half of the line filled onto the spool is never used be it a backer or straight braid. By using a backer the backer is never discarded and is reused. Filling 100% with braid would require whatever braid remained on the spool to be discarded once the fill level dropped below the angler's desired level with use. I run 100% braid but use shallower spool so my IPT is not as adversely affected when low on line.
Unless I am mistaken Quake's argument is that the entirety of the spool is consumable down to the point where the reel casts down to the arbor and only then is the remaining line discarded.
Nope thats not it. See my highlighted words from my prior post below
On 1/24/2019 at 7:47 AM, fishwizzard said:On casting reels I use braid with I fill the reel up 100% with braid. Then when the line starts looking lower then I want, I tie on whatever backer and fill the reel back up. Then I take an old empty line spool and using a powerdrill and a old foam paint brush, run the line onto the spool. I then take a second empty spool and run the line on that to get it turned around. Then I re-spool it back onto my reel, filled up perfectly to the top. When the line gets low again I do the same thing, trashing the backing and spooling fresh backing on to whatever amount fills the spool back up. When I get to the point of having less then a full cast of braid on the reel I pull it off and then the old used braid becomes backing for reels I use floro/mono mainline on. Circle of life and all that.
It sounds fussy but it only takes a minute or two. For combos I use a lot I maybe have to do this once or twice a season.
Thats the ticket you get it too. Except I dont trash the existing backing just put more on.
On 1/24/2019 at 8:16 AM, Team9nine said:Yep, the loss of performance, casting ability, altered drag settings and relative gear ratio wouldn't justify keeping a full spool of braid on until you had almost nothing left. That is where Heartland's argument wins out in my analysis. Thanks for writing that up.
However, if you started with a full spool of braid, and then when you lost a certain amount, I calculated 15 yds., you simply add a 15 yd backer (mono) to another reel, attach the braid and wind onto the new reel. You are now back to full spool with braid and have 135 yds to play with. Now, you simply keep repeating every time a reel loses 15 yds of braid, just adding that 15 yds to the next reel as the backer. So "reel 3" would be 30 yds of backer mono and then the remaining 120 yds of braid. Back to a full spool with plenty to play with. "reel 4", 45 yds of backer mono and 105 yds of braid. "Reel 5", 60 yds of mono backer and 90 yds of braid. Finally, "reel 6" is 75 yds of mono backer and 75 yards of remaining braid. Again, full spool of braid for the final time. Doing this, QUAKEnSHAKEs scenario easily wins out, as you could make a full spool of line last roughly 3X as long as cutting that spool into two halves to begin with.
Yes, sort of, as I stated in prior post highlighted below. Though I use method as stated by fishwizard use same reel but take line off add backing put line back on same reel.
I knew this from the beginning
On 1/23/2019 at 10:26 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:We can disagree but you will still be wrong. You're just blinded by trying to rationalize your point.
What dont you understand about wasting the amount of line once you throw out to where the connection knot interferes with the cast. Whatever that amount of line is it is doubled by splitting the spool in half. 75 yards on one reel 75 yards on another reel once you get to the connection knot on a cast your cast will be hindered. This amount of line will then be wasted twice instead of just once if you had put on a full spool of line.
In all three reels you will be backfilling to keep the spool at /near a full level as the braid gets used up. It will take longer to use the spool full of braid of course but you still will use it up to the same point as the 1/2 full spools of braid. You will use all but the amount of line that the knot starts hindering the cast which is the same amount as one of 75yard spools. But as you used 2 half spools you get double the waste as in prior examples 100' + 100' = 200' of wasted line vs just 100' from the single full spool.
On the fully spooled reel you will get to use 350' of the 450' spool. On the two 75yd spools you will only get to use 250' of the line. You get 100 more feet of usable line out of the fully spooled reel.
HOG727 reply :
On 1/22/2019 at 6:32 AM, LionHeart said:When guys talk about adding distance with a baitcaster by bearing changes, using braid instead if mono for backing (which seems hilarious to me), etc., I have to wonder if they have brakes and spool tension completely off. If not, start there.
If your brakes and spool tension are wide open and you still aren't satisfied, use less thumb pressure during the cast. If your brakes are fully off, spool tension is fully loose, you use no thumb pressure during cast (and you are somehow not getting massive birdnest), and you still aren't casting far enough, there is probably something mechanically wrong with your reel.
Not trying to be a wise guy, but claiming that using braid as backing adds casting distance seems extremely silly to me.
I'm talking bait casters. This claim about braid backing adding distance seemed dubious to me also. So I bought a scale to test the weight claim. My initial reading is this: on my Curado 200Is', a spool filled all braid weighed 24 grams and full mono weighed 32. so half spool you could save 4-5 grams (about 20-25% spool weight) As you move toward lighter lures, you can see what the Japanese will do to save that much weight.
fishwizzard reply :
On 2/23/2019 at 3:08 AM, HOG727 said:I'm talking bait casters. This claim about braid backing adding distance seemed dubious to me also. So I bought a scale to test the weight claim. My initial reading is this: on my Curado 200Is', a spool filled all braid weighed 24 grams and full mono weighed 32. so half spool you could save 4-5 grams (about 20-25% spool weight) As you move toward lighter lures, you can see what the Japanese will do to save that much weight.
It absolutely helps when trying to cast lighter lures, I notice less difference when lure weight gets around 1/2oz.
It would be great if more reels had shallow spool options but braid seems like the lightest way to fill up space on a spool.
LionHeart reply :
On 2/23/2019 at 3:08 AM, HOG727 said:I'm talking bait casters. This claim about braid backing adding distance seemed dubious to me also. So I bought a scale to test the weight claim. My initial reading is this: on my Curado 200Is', a spool filled all braid weighed 24 grams and full mono weighed 32. so half spool you could save 4-5 grams (about 20-25% spool weight) As you move toward lighter lures, you can see what the Japanese will do to save that much weight.
Very interesting indeed. I guess a few grams would matter if you are casting a very light lure but not totally convinced a spinning rod wouldn't serve an angler better casting such a lure.
Inertia works both ways. A heavier spool may take more to get going, but will stay going longer. I've never really done any experiments with trying to change the weight of my spool, so maybe it does have merit. I just can't imagine it would be much.
fishwizzard reply :
On 2/23/2019 at 4:17 AM, LionHeart said:
Inertia works both ways. A heavier spool may take more to get going, but will stay going longer.
The reason casting reels have brakes is to control the spool’s inertia, there is no benefit to ever having a heavier spool. Having it spin longer isnt going to propel the lure further, it will just increase the likelihood of a backlash at any given braking force.
MN Fisher reply :
On 2/23/2019 at 6:36 AM, fishwizzard said:The reason casting reels have brakes is to control the spool’s inertia, there is no benefit to ever having a heavier spool. Having it spin longer isnt going to propel the lure further, it will just increase the likelihood of a backlash at any given braking force.
This times infinity. A heavier spool that keeps spinning after the lure hits the water is a BAD thing.
LionHeart reply :
On 2/23/2019 at 6:36 AM, fishwizzard said:The reason casting reels have brakes is to control the spool’s inertia, there is no benefit to ever having a heavier spool. Having it spin longer isnt going to propel the lure further, it will just increase the likelihood of a backlash at any given braking force.
On 2/23/2019 at 7:38 AM, MN Fisher said:This times infinity. A heavier spool that keeps spinning after the lure hits the water is a BAD thing.
From the response I'd have to say I didn't do a great job of stating my point.
See my previous post (my 2nd on page 1)
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