Snapping Leaders On The Hook Set 2024
Lendiesel22 reply :
I am fishing 20lb 832 on my bait casters with 4-5ft of 12lb floro leader. I am snapping fish off on the set, had it happen on a jig bite, a senko bite, and a rage rig bite. Pretty much the same deal all 3x. On the pause I see and feel the line flick, see the line moving away so I know he has it, reel down and set back to my left about 10 oclock and SNAP. I figure using 4-5 ft of leader would take most of the shock out of the hookset, but I lost 3 fish Saturday. Am I too light on the leader? Should I move up to 15-17-20lb? I am not breaking off at the uni knot, I am coming back with 3ft or so of good leader. I was not a braid guy until this year and I really like the 832 but its not worth it to fish braid if my leaders are breaking. I am fishing the leader to stay as invisible as possible so if I go up in size leader is that counter productive?
tatertester reply :
Check your knots carefully to determine just where the line is breaking. You could up the line size , but consider not setting the hook so hard.....You have a no stretch line except fpr the leader, no need to decapitate the fish on the hook set.
BrianinMD reply :
There is very little stretch in that setup, which is a good thing. You just have to adjust your hookset, no need to have a big one with it.
jsc4324 reply :
Also try adjusting your drag back a bit. If you have sharp hooks you should not have to rip them clear out of the water on the hook set.
Smallmouth Hunter reply :
Use 15 - 17 lb mono or fluoro.
Lendiesel22 reply :
I can dig it, honestly I really dont feel like I am using a flippin stick in heavy cover type hookset, but I guess its just too much. The breaks are coming like 2ft from the bait. I had the uni knot and 3 or so ft of leader each time. If you guys spooled up with 20lb 832 what would you have put on for leader? I thought 12 was the right play.
Lendiesel22 reply :
Also when I drop the drag back it feel like after I set the hook the 1st 3 cranks or so is just the handle turning not the spool, I hate that.
ChrisAW reply :
What brand of line are you using for your leader?
I would never use less than 30 pound on a baitcaster, but if you aren't having any problems with the line digging into itself on the spool, then continue on. I just wouldn't want to use anything that thin personally.
I am not a fan of the uni knot on braid to flouro. I tested that vs the Alberto knot with the lines I use and it broke more often than the Alberto below the breaking strength of the line. That was just my personal experience, and I may have been tying it in a manner that allowed the braid to cut or burn the flouro and cause it to break. But, I can say I've never had that problem with the Alberto.
But for senko's and a thin wire hook, 12lb is fine. If you're throwing jigs and texas rigs with thicker hooks, then you should definitely step up the rating.
Lendiesel22 reply :
I got 3 nice fish on a hack attack swim jig and didnt have an issue, seemed like bc the line was tight when hit the shock was less.
Lendiesel22 reply :
On 4/21/2014 at 9:04 PM, ChrisAW said:What brand of line are you using for your leader?
I would never use less than 30 pound on a baitcaster, but if you aren't having any problems with the line digging into itself on the spool, then continue on. I just wouldn't want to use anything that thin personally.
I am not a fan of the uni knot on braid to flouro. I tested that vs the Alberto knot with the lines I use and it broke more often than the Alberto below the breaking strength of the line. That was just my personal experience, and I may have been tying it in a manner that allowed the braid to cut or burn the flouro and cause it to break. But, I can say I've never had that problem with the Alberto.
But for senko's and a thin wire hook, 12lb is fine. If you're throwing jigs and texas rigs with thicker hooks, then you should definitely step up the rating.
BPS floro
ChrisAW reply :
Well I don't think that would be the issue either. I would say try another knot first to save some money, and if it stops then good. If not, try heavier line.
Lendiesel22 reply :
no issues with digging in or problems of any kind, I wound it on super tight with a dacron backing and its been great. Like I said I wasnt a braid guy til this spring and the 832 changed my mind. Handles great, super long casts if I need to, and sensitivity is fantastic.
Lendiesel22 reply :
On 4/21/2014 at 9:08 PM, ChrisAW said:Well I don't think that would be the issue either. I would say try another knot first to save some money, and if it stops then good. If not, try heavier line.
right on.....yeah I am sure its not either end of the knots. The uni is still intact and tight, and I use a palomar on the business end. Looking at the broken end when I get it in looks like a stress break, its pulled thinner, and has a milky look to it.
hatrix reply :
I would think for some reason the line your using for a leader is bad. In theory it should break at the knot I think. Maybe your line got compromised from wrapping on something and it weakened it in that area. Maybe your eye in messed up on the top of the rod and it is marking up your line from casting?
Lendiesel22 reply :
Right....thought the same....checked the rod out and its all good. Made sure of that....its my 7ft Mojo Bass plastics rod and I cant do without it, lol. You might be right and the spool of floro might be crap. I am going to go up to 15-17 and use more of a sweep type hook set and see how that does.
jtesch reply :
I do it too now and again with 10 or 12 pound leaders. It's the hook set, you just have to back it down a little. no stretch from the braid and vary little from the leader equals a lot of force on that leader, especially if the fish is swimming away from you. Sometimes they sound like a gun shot when they snap
mjseverson24 reply :
I would say its is either you line or the hookset... best advise when using floro, is to make sure you reel down far enough to feel the weight of the fish before setting the hook... it sound like you are slack line setting, and the no stretch feature of braid and only a short section of floro is recipe for breakoffs...
Mitch
Lendiesel22 reply :
The 2nd one Sat morn was audible for sure lol, follow up with a blue streak of F bombs. hahaha ahhhh dammit. Live and learn.
WRB reply :
1. Set your drag @ 4#
2. Do not snap set into slack line with FC.
3. Buy new FC, your line should break at the knot, if it doesn't the line bad or nicked.
4. Try trying direct to your 20 braid, it's only .009 D, shouldn't cause too many missed strike fishing in cover and will break on the hook set unless you don't set your drag.
Tom
Lendiesel22 reply :
Mitch, they were slack line sets for sure. The ones I caught on the hack attack was on the reel so it was tight line. I might up it to 14 and change the hookset.
Lendiesel22 reply :
Tom, tying direct.......I am always so concerned I am not getting hits bc they can see it. I go direct on a jig and pig in cover but nothing else. You tie direct a lot?
jtesch reply :
On 4/21/2014 at 11:44 PM, mjseverson24 said:I would say its is either you line or the hookset... best advise when using floro, is to make sure you reel down far enough to feel the weight of the fish before setting the hook... it sound like you are slack line setting, and the no stretch feature of braid and only a short section of floro is recipe for breakoffs...
Mitch
Nailed it, that slack line is exactly what the deal is. Reel down to remove slack then set away
Lendiesel22 reply :
I can dig it.....lets go test it out! lol
roadwarrior reply :
Well, I don't think you should restrict your hookset. Spool heavier line and make
sure your Alberto Knot is PERFECT. I would suggest #50 Kanzen/ #20 Tatsu leader.
You can still break this if you are hung-up and need to, but you will never break the
line on a hook-set.
Lendiesel22 reply :
Kanzen eh? 50/20 seems like a beefy set up. I am not opposed to trying it.....have you fished 832? if so how do they compare for you?
roadwarrior reply :
This is what I use, but the Sufix 832 is great braid in my opinion.
The leader could be a number of brands, too. #20 AbrazX or #15
Yo-Zuri Hybrid are a couple of suggestions.
Lendiesel22 reply :
right on, I will be looking into them for sure. I have been really pleased with the 832 so I am going to fish this year with it. Might mix a new one in as these start to wear a little.
Lendiesel22 reply :
Next question, I like the 4-5ft of leader ......what is your preference on leader length? why?
J Francho reply :
Test the weight that the part is snapping at. Either replace if it's not performing, or increase break strength of that part, or reduce the drag.
SirSnookalot reply :
I use 15# braid and usually a 15# leader, my leaders are about 20". I do not make an exceptionally hard hook set, just hard enough. Even with spinning gear I can lock that drag down and hookset as hard as I want, I don't choose that method. As mentioned I would ease up on the drag and make sure your leader is healthy. I don't think I'm supposed to land every fish, it's sport and by using much heavier lines and leaders I'm removing the sporting aspect out of it. If I'm giving that fish a sporting chance it's ok if it wins sometimes.
ColdSVT reply :
I would put my money on your line to line know being the problem
WRB reply :
I only use braid in heavy cover application and use 65 lb to cut through aquatic vegetation. I tie direct, bass don't seem to care about line in heavy cover or at night.
Otherwise I use FC line for jigs and worms, no braid because I detest making extra knots that fail at the worst possible time.
For jigs and worms on baitcasting reels I use 10, 12 and 16 lb Sunline Super FC green Sniper, 6 lb for spinning/ finesse presentations.
My hook setting technique is keeping the rod tip low and towards the bass, reel quickly when a strike is detected, then rod sweep back firmly to complete the hook set. Haven't broken off bass in a long time due to line or knot failure. I do set my drag @ 1/3rd the FC line strength and trust my drags to perform. Also take my time to tie perfect knots if possible. Look at your broken line for indication of why it failed; a curl end is knot failure, frayed is abrasion failure, clean cut smooth end is usually bad line.
Tom
BassWhole! reply :
Matching the rod to line to hook, (and in your case also leader) is important. If you want to keep everything the same, get rid of the flouro, and get some 15 lb (or even 12 lb) Big Game or Ande (No matter what you've read, the fish don't care), tie an Alberto (still owes me money) to join braid to leader, and a palomar at lure. Problem solved.
hatrix reply :
I agree with RW on the 15# yozuri for leaders. I use either that or izorline for leaders. They are pretty much the same line and work equally as good for me. As a bonus a spool of izorline is really cheap. It's like $8 for 300 yards of top notch line. I think once yozuri cost about the same but now the price has gone up.
Lendiesel22 reply :
Thanks fellas, getting a lot of really good feed back on this....I appreciate it.
A-Jay reply :
Eventually anglers are going to have to face the reality that Fluorocarbon line is just a PIA.
The problems associated with it seriously out weight any benefits realized.
The shear number of threads where post after post document all the same problems by so many anglers tell the story. Manageability and weak knot strength are routinely detailed as challenging characteristic of the line.
Believing that Monofilament line is inferior to fluorocarbon is a matter of opinion; but it's not mine.
Have there been many threads recounting where anglers are having problems with mono line leaders parting at the knot ? A quick search will answer that. The low numbers in the search results would indicate that it's not a problem.
To the anglers who use fluorocarbon leaders successfully, congratulations, you've managed to slay the dragon.
We rarely hear from the mono leader uses. except to post up pictures of nice bass.
A-Jay
Lendiesel22 reply :
On 4/22/2014 at 10:14 PM, A-Jay said:Eventually anglers are going to have to face the reality that Fluorocarbon line is just a PIA.
The problems associated with it seriously out weight any benefits realized.
The shear number of threads where post after post document all the same problems by so many anglers tell the story. Manageability and weak knot strength are routinely detailed as challenging characteristic of the line.
Believing that Monofilament line is inferior to fluorocarbon is a matter of opinion; but it's not mine.
Have there been many threads recounting where anglers are having problems with mono line leaders parting at the knot ? A quick search will answer that. The low numbers in the search results would indicate that it's not a problem.
To the anglers who use fluorocarbon leaders successfully, congratulations, you've managed to slay the dragon.
We rarely hear from the mono leader uses. except to post up pictures of nice bass.
A-Jay
LMAO right on
J Francho reply :
Been using fluoro leaders for steelhead long before I tried it for bass. Never really had an issue other than hating to tie a connection knot. To me, it's either a bad leader, bad knot, or some part of the system is unbalanced. 20# rod, 50# main line, drag cinched down, and a 10# leader…leader will break first. Doesn't matter how good a knot is. Not saying this is what you did, but you have to look at the break as the weakest part of the system, and determine why it failed.
Lendiesel22 reply :
There are several types of mono that I have trusted since I started fishing hard at 13. Back then I fished a spool until it was flat beat up. Drag it through sticker bushes and overhanging trees, catch a bunch of fish on it and use it until I could not get a knot to hold. I knew what I could and could not do with it, and that is kinda the problem with this, I have to figure out what I can and cant do with each set up to effectively get a hook in em. I am going to start testing different set ups and find a happy zone. It begins Saturday.
roadwarrior reply :
On 4/22/2014 at 10:14 PM, A-Jay said:Eventually anglers are going to have to face the reality that Fluorocarbon line is just a PIA.
The problems associated with it seriously out weight any benefits realized.
The shear number of threads where post after post document all the same problems by so many anglers tell the story. Manageability and weak knot strength are routinely detailed as challenging characteristic of the line.
Believing that Monofilament line is inferior to fluorocarbon is a matter of opinion; but it's not mine.
Have there been many threads recounting where anglers are having problems with mono line leaders parting at the knot ? A quick search will answer that. The low numbers in the search results would indicate that it's not a problem.
To the anglers who use fluorocarbon leaders successfully, congratulations, you've managed to slay the dragon.
We rarely hear from the mono leader uses. except to post up pictures of nice bass.
A-Jay
I cannot disagree with the facts you have stated. Still, I am experimenting with fluorocarbon leader.
My #1 suggestion is to spend a lot of time practicing tying the knot. When you are tying to fish, the
knot MUST BE PERFECT or it is not good enough! Although I would claim to "have it down pat",
on average I have to tie the Alberto Knot twice to get the perfect knot. That means sometimes the
first try works, but sometimes that's three or four attempts.
Three more observations: My loop is formed with the fluoro and wrapped with the braid. I pull the knot
as tight as I can get it with bare hands. I clip the fluorocarbon so just a smigin is showing and burn the
braid so the tag is nothing but a bead. To do this move the knot into the flame and just barely burn
your finger tips!
Lendiesel22 reply :
I am a knot freak as well. if they are not perfect I dont throw it.
A-Jay reply :
On 4/22/2014 at 10:46 PM, roadwarrior said:I cannot disagree with the facts you have stated. Still, I am experimenting with fluorocarbon leader.
My #1 suggestion is to spend a lot of time practicing tying the knot. When you are tying to fish, the
knot MUST BE PERFECT or it is not good enough! Although I would claim to "have it down pat",
on average I have to tie the Alberto Knot twice to get the perfect knot. That means sometimes the
first try works, but sometimes that's three or four attempts.
Three more observations: My loop is formed with the fluoro and wrapped with the braid. I pull the knot
as tight as I can get it with bare hands. I clip the fluorocarbon so just a smigin is showing and burn the
braid so the tag is nothing but a bead. To do this move the knot into the flame and just barely burn
your finger tips!
Thank Kent - Solid advice.
As a capable & confident knot guy myself, I have no problem tying or rigging gear.
I no longer choose to use that line so I also have no more problems with my line parting unexpectedly and for no apparent reason.
Good Luck with your fluorocarbon adventure.
A-Jay
RoLo reply :
On 4/22/2014 at 10:14 PM, A-Jay said:Eventually anglers are going to have to face the reality that Fluorocarbon line is just a PIA.
The problems associated with it seriously out weight any benefits realized.
The shear number of threads where post after post document all the same problems by so many anglers tell the story. Manageability and weak knot strength are routinely detailed as challenging characteristic of the line.
Believing that Monofilament line is inferior to fluorocarbon is a matter of opinion; but it's not mine.
Have there been many threads recounting where anglers are having problems with mono line leaders parting at the knot ? A quick search will answer that. The low numbers in the search results would indicate that it's not a problem.
To the anglers who use fluorocarbon leaders successfully, congratulations, you've managed to slay the dragon.
We rarely hear from the mono leader uses. except to post up pictures of nice bass.
A-Jay
Well put 
Roger
Lendiesel22 reply :
Saturday is looking good, I have a few things I am going to run through the tester.
Lendiesel22 reply :
Has anyone heard of an H2O Rema rod? I just got one at a pawn shop. It has a carbon fiber handle, batson guides that are metallic blue, and it says 6-6" on it but it's 6-1" on the tape. I have never seen one like it.
J Francho reply :
Probably was repaired after the tip snapped off.
Lendiesel22 reply :
possible, I have to find a use for it.....its a cool rod.
Lendiesel22 reply :
Bumped up to 15lb floro and have had no issues at all. Funny how a little adjustment makes all the difference.
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