Any enthusiasts here?? 2024
80pruf reply :
Just curious if there were any high end rod or reel enthusiasts here. I don't ever really seem to see any posts about any JDM rods or reels on here. I have some interest in possibly picking up a high end rod (megabass, gan craft, evergreen, etc.) but I have to end up going to other sites to read up on them. Anybody got any goodies?
80pruf reply :
Dan thats exactly where I have spent most of my time today. Those guys have some gear that is absolutely mind blowing!
Dan: reply :
They sure do...I can't even look at it. I know almost every USDM product available but when they start talking about JDM stuff they might as well be speaking a different language.
Micro reply :
Bass Resource is about bass fishing.
Tackle Tour is about tackle, catching anything with it is incidental.
KYntucky Warmouth reply :
You hear some JDM reel talk around every now and then, not so much about rods though. For me, no warranty is an issue with JDM rods more so than reels. It's easy to slip up and damage or break a rod and with no backing, that's a huge loss. I have a Daiwa Alphas 103 and with proper care the non warranty isn't really an issue.
Dan: reply :
QuoteBass Resource is about bass fishing.Tackle Tour is about tackle, catching anything with it is incidental.
lol, that is a pretty good summation Rowland.
Bassn Blvd reply :
QuoteYou hear some JDM reel talk around every now and then, not so much about rods though. For me, no warranty is an issue with JDM rods more so than reels. It's easy to slip up and damage or break a rod and with no backing, that's a huge loss. I have a Daiwa Alphas 103 and with proper care the non warranty isn't really an issue.
Same goes for me too. RedLineRobert is the only one I know who uses JDM rods on this site.
dan1942 reply :
Raul and Bronzeye have a lot of JDM Reels
steezy reply :
For the price of some of those JDM reels and rods I couldn't imagine buying with no warrranty. Theres no way I would pay over $200 for a rod without a lifetime warranty. Its way too easy to break a rod.
dan1942 reply :
I agree with the rods. I would be sick if I broke one!
roadwarrior reply :
Mostly "enthusiasts", just at different levels!
8-)
flechero reply :
QuoteI don't ever really seem to see any posts about any JDM rods or reels on here.
Surely you are kidding... or just don't spend much time here. Yes there more JDM talk at TT but there are a number of threads (reels more than rods) here every week.
I don't recall you starting many though... maybe you should start asking or talking about those that interest you. :
Pantera61 reply :
QuoteFor the price of some of those JDM reels and rods I couldn't imagine buying with no warrranty. Theres no way I would pay over $200 for a rod without a lifetime warranty. Its way too easy to break a rod.
Why would you expect a company to enable oafishness on anyone's part?
Pantera61 reply :
QuoteQuoteFor the price of some of those JDM reels and rods I couldn't imagine buying with no warrranty. Theres no way I would pay over $200 for a rod without a lifetime warranty. Its way too easy to break a rod.Why would you expect a company to enable oafishness on anyone's part?
More accurately, why should I have to pay more for an item to subsidize another individual's oafishness and the manufacture looks good?
roadwarrior reply :
Maybe these reels aren't high enough up the ladder, but
I don't find the Metanium or my super tuned Scorpion to be
all that "special". To be more specific, comparable reels like
the domestic Chronarch and CH50MG seem just as refined
as the JDM counterparts.
8-)
steezy reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteFor the price of some of those JDM reels and rods I couldn't imagine buying with no warrranty. Theres no way I would pay over $200 for a rod without a lifetime warranty. Its way too easy to break a rod.Why would you expect a company to enable oafishness on anyone's part?
More accurately, why should I have to pay more for an item to subsidize another individual's oafishness and the manufacture looks good?
I think the steez is pretty "refined".
oafishness = ??? :-?
Incheon Basser reply :
I am but i like KDM stuff, we get alot of the same stuff as japan does plus stictly kdm stuff too
Raul reply :
Anybody that purchases a 200+ dollars reel is an enthusiast, you can do almost the same with a less expensive reel.
Sometimes JDM is "better" in some aspects, sometimes is not.
What 's so special about JDM ?
Sometimes it 's because at certain time it 's "better" ( different ) ex: Scorpion 1000/1001 vs Curado 100B
Sometimes it 's because it 's limited edition ex: TDZ Custom, TDZ Type R, TDZ Type R+, TD itö, Alphas Itö
Sometimes it 's because it 's not available in domestic version ex: Liberto Pixy, Antares AR ( Calais 100A ) lefty, Speedmaster
Sometimes it 's because at one time there was no domestic version but later the domestic version appeared, ex: Scorpion 1000/1001 Mg vs Chronarch 50/51 Mg
But it doesn 't mean that you are less equipped with good quality domestic gear vs being equipped with JDM.
J Francho reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFor the price of some of those JDM reels and rods I couldn't imagine buying with no warrranty. Theres no way I would pay over $200 for a rod without a lifetime warranty. Its way too easy to break a rod.Why would you expect a company to enable oafishness on anyone's part?
More accurately, why should I have to pay more for an item to subsidize another individual's oafishness and the manufacture looks good?
Those last 2 posts may have well have been Japanese, they make no sense in English
The rods I have , all have warranties, they are all specific as to what they cover, how and why does this effect you buying one?
Pantera is referring to certain manus that have a no hassle replacement plan. There is no way that some of the replacement cost is not built in to the initial retail price. By that, I mean that anyone that buys a rod with a lifetime no hassle replacement policy is also paying to replace others' broken rods. This is different than a warranty for defective product.
J Francho reply :
QuoteQuoteAnybody that purchases a 200+ dollars reel is an enthusiast, you can do almost the same with a less expensive reel.Sometimes JDM is "better" in some aspects, sometimes is not.
What 's so special about JDM ?
Sometimes it 's because at certain time it 's "better" ( different ) ex: Scorpion 1000/1001 vs Curado 100B
Sometimes it 's because it 's limited edition ex: TDZ Custom, TDZ Type R, TDZ Type R+, TD itö, Alphas Itö
Sometimes it 's because it 's not available in domestic version ex: Liberto Pixy, Antares AR ( Calais 100A ) lefty, Speedmaster
Sometimes it 's because at one time there was no domestic version but later the domestic version appeared, ex: Scorpion 1000/1001 Mg vs Chronarch 50/51 Mg
But it doesn 't mean that you are less equipped with good quality domestic gear vs being equipped with JDM.
No, some are professionals and some are charter captains: Go Strip Bass Fishing now, with a Charter Captain and he will usually have the very best salt water gear for their customers. Enthusiast is not set by dollar amounts and not all high end buyers buy for collection some , indeed all the Captains here buy it out of need ,for their customers.
also there are tuna guys here,buying the best for themselves,and you should see what the Steel head guys are spending on rods and reels.Sorry Raul; 200 bucks is not a criteria for enthusiast
But Muddy, isn't it all relative? How can you compare a tuna fisherman's gear to a bass fisherman's gear? You cannot touch a deep drop rig for under $1200. But you can get a decent baitcasting rig for $150. I have a few JDM reels, including an Alphas and an ITO Alphas Ai. Neither cost me more than $200, yest they are considered "enthusiast gear." Just trying to put some perspective on things.
By the way, I caught this steelhead on a $120 Lamiglass Pro Graphite rod, and a $90 Daiwa spinning reel:
Dan: reply :
QuoteQuoteAnybody that purchases a 200+ dollars reel is an enthusiast, you can do almost the same with a less expensive reel.Sometimes JDM is "better" in some aspects, sometimes is not.
What 's so special about JDM ?
Sometimes it 's because at certain time it 's "better" ( different ) ex: Scorpion 1000/1001 vs Curado 100B
Sometimes it 's because it 's limited edition ex: TDZ Custom, TDZ Type R, TDZ Type R+, TD itö, Alphas Itö
Sometimes it 's because it 's not available in domestic version ex: Liberto Pixy, Antares AR ( Calais 100A ) lefty, Speedmaster
Sometimes it 's because at one time there was no domestic version but later the domestic version appeared, ex: Scorpion 1000/1001 Mg vs Chronarch 50/51 Mg
But it doesn 't mean that you are less equipped with good quality domestic gear vs being equipped with JDM.
No, some are professionals and some are charter captains: Go Strip Bass Fishing now, with a Charter Captain and he will usually have the very best salt water gear for their customers. Enthusiast is not set by dollar amounts and not all high end buyers buy for collection some , indeed all the Captains here buy it out of need ,for their customers.
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I wish you had told that to the Captain that I went trolling with! It's hard to reel in snarled umbrella rigs behind a moving boat with a reel that doesn't want to crank smoothly.
And I think the warranty stuff that Pantera was getting at is that to offset the costs of warranty exchanges rod companies have to charge more for their products.
Pantera61 reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFor the price of some of those JDM reels and rods I couldn't imagine buying with no warrranty. Theres no way I would pay over $200 for a rod without a lifetime warranty. Its way too easy to break a rod.Why would you expect a company to enable oafishness on anyone's part?
More accurately, why should I have to pay more for an item to subsidize another individual's oafishness and the manufacture looks good?
Those last 2 posts may have well have been Japanese, they make no sense in English
The rods I have , all have warranties, they are all specific as to what they cover, how and why does this effect you buying one?
There's nothing to misunderstand. If you abuse the warranty process why should everybody else pay for it?
steezy reply :
I'll choose the "lifetime no hassle replacement policy" over the "defective product replacement" anytime, even if it means paying a little more.
I bet most "enthusiasts" would do the same.
Pantera61 reply :
QuoteI'll choose the "lifetime no hassle replacement policy" over the "defective product replacement" anytime, even if it means paying a little more.I bet most "enthusiasts" would do the same.
Actually, most "enthusiasts" have already chosen to forego the warranty.
steezy reply :
QuoteQuoteI'll choose the "lifetime no hassle replacement policy" over the "defective product replacement" anytime, even if it means paying a little more.I bet most "enthusiasts" would do the same.
Actually, most "enthusiasts" have already chosen to forego the warranty.
If someone ("enthusiasts") is buying high end gear at a premium price that is mass produced to actually fish with and that can be replaced via a warranty, then IMHO they do care about a warranty.
If they are just buying to collect unique gear then they couldn't care less about a warranty.
Dan: reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteI'll choose the "lifetime no hassle replacement policy" over the "defective product replacement" anytime, even if it means paying a little more.I bet most "enthusiasts" would do the same.
Actually, most "enthusiasts" have already chosen to forego the warranty.
If someone ("enthusiasts") is buying high end gear at a premium price that is mass produced to actually fish with and that can be replaced via a warranty, then IMHO they do care about a warranty.
If they are just buying to collect unique gear then they couldn't care less about a warranty.
but pantera is saying that the enthusiasts that buy Japanese Domestic Market items have shown that they don't necessarily care about warranties as shown by the fact that they spent hundreds of dollars on products that have no warranties.
I think JDM buyers are confident in their own ability to take care of their gear.
Pantera61 reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'll choose the "lifetime no hassle replacement policy" over the "defective product replacement" anytime, even if it means paying a little more.I bet most "enthusiasts" would do the same.
Actually, most "enthusiasts" have already chosen to forego the warranty.
If someone ("enthusiasts") is buying high end gear at a premium price that is mass produced to actually fish with and that can be replaced via a warranty, then IMHO they do care about a warranty.
If they are just buying to collect unique gear then they couldn't care less about a warranty.
but pantera is saying that the enthusiasts that buy Japanese Domestic Market items have shown that they don't necessarily care about warranties as shown by the fact that they spent hundreds of dollars on products that have no warranties.
I think JDM buyers are confident in their own ability to take care of their gear.
I can only speak for me directly and for others by supposition. I have been using Megabass rods since 2002. Some were used, purchased on ebay or Japan Tackle, others were new, purchased through a variety of sources. None were covered by warranty.
When Megabass opened it's official distributorship in 2004 or 2005, it provided a 1 year warranty against defects in material or workmanship. It gave comfort to some and they bought.
But with Evergreen, Daiko, MajorCraft, UFM, Valley Hill, it's still up to the individual.
Raul reply :
Quotebut pantera is saying that the enthusiasts that buy Japanese Domestic Market items have shown that they don't necessarily care about warranties as shown by the fact that they spent hundreds of dollars on products that have no warranties.
I think JDM buyers are confident in their own ability to take care of their gear.
True.
In many cases JDM is not THAT different, let 's say the Alphas series of reels ( except Alphas 150 ), parts are interchangeable with the domestic Sol parts, Metanium XT parts are interchangeable with Chronarch parts and so on. Of course, screw up the sideplate of a Scorpion or Scorpion Mg and you are in trouble.
I don 't know about others, I know about myself, so far all my reels DM or JDM are treated/used equally, I don 't "baby sit" my gear, I take really good care of it to the point where my reels old and new are like new because I like to keep them that way.
Grey Wolf reply :
There is only one thing stopping me from being an enthusiast............................ MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
steezy reply :
Im not an "enthusiast", I just enjoy Bass fishing.
J Francho reply :
Muddy, I love you man, but get serious -- the is BassResource.com, not Bass-Striper-Tuna-SteelheadResource.com, LOL.QuoteI am making the same point as you, he posted anybody spending over 200, that covers way too much ground.The post didn't say bassfishermen just anybody over 200
J Francho reply :
I can guarantee that none of your rods have an Expediter service, like G. Loomis. I can also guarantee that part of the MSRP includes a bit of padding equal to an insurance policy for any type of breakage. I mean, are we to believe that G. Loomis is not losing money replacing $300+ rods for $50, or are we to assume that the rods only cost them $50 to make, and they covering their expenses? I can guarantee that it isn't the latter.QuoteWhy would you suppose Steeyzy , or anyone else would be abusing a warranty? I have been fishing for over 40 years, and have brought one rod ONE ROD, back in all that time, for SOMETTHING THAT WAS MY FAULT, and told the salesperson as much. He decided ( the Service manager did ) to rep[lace the rod, how is that an abuse, and how does that effect your world.
Very presumptive on your part, if you can't afford something then don't buy it.
It isn't about what you or steezy do with broken rods, its the simple fact that some of the rod's MSRP includes some padding to cover the expense of all broken returns. Just like it does when there is a limited warranty; defective replacement is part of the bottom line. Add in stupidity/accidental breakage replacement, and that bottom line is higher.
Muddy reply :
QuoteMuddy, I love you man, but get serious -- the is BassResource.com, not Bass-Striper-Tuna-SteelheadResource.com, LOL.QuoteI am making the same point as you, he posted anybody spending over 200, that covers way too much ground.The post didn't say bassfishermen just anybody over 200
I am staying off this tread, as I am far from an enthusiast and also about above remark:
I made this same observation 2 weeks ago, and was shot down, guess it is valid when others make it, :-?
Bassn Blvd reply :
The warranty G-Loomis provides isn't the only reason why I buy their product.
From what I read, and that may have changed or I could be wrong, Megabass, Evergreen, etc do not offer ANY warranty. I don't expect them to provide the same warranty as G-Loomis but at least cover defects and workmanship.
If I order Evergreen and it arrives with a broken guide or splintered blank, will it be covered under a manufacturers warranty for full replacement at no charge to me? Will the rod be covered if I discover the defect a month or two later? If not, then screw'em. I'm not buying a product who's company doesn't back their product. If they will cover it then I will buy one or two.
I don't make enough money to afford $1000 dollar rods with no warranty against defects. If I made half a mill a year then I would gamble and buy one.
Pantera61 reply :
QuoteThe warranty G-Loomis provides isn't the only reason why I buy their product.From what I read, and that may have changed or I could be wrong, Megabass, Evergreen, etc do not offer ANY warranty. I don't expect them to provide the same warranty as G-Loomis but at least cover defects and workmanship.
If I order Evergreen and it arrives with a broken guide or splintered blank, will it be covered under a manufacturers warranty for full replacement at no charge to me? Will the rod be covered if I discover the defect a month or two later? If not, then screw'em. I'm not buying a product who's company doesn't back their product. If they will cover it then I will buy one or two.
I don't make enough money to afford $1000 dollar rods with no warranty against defects. If I made half a mill a year then I would gamble and buy one.
1. Yes, you are wrong in the case of Megabass. Since Megabass started official distribution in the U.S., there is a workmanship/materials warranty for 1 year.
2. Jackall has a warranty for workmanship/materials for 1 year.
3. Evergreen currently has no warranty inside the U.S. because all EG rods are considered to be bootlegs or unofficial products.
Don't thank Loomis or St. Croix for the warranty. Thank your buddies who purchase those rods. You and they are picking up the tab, not the manufacturers.
rubba bubba reply :
QuoteDon't thank Loomis or St. Croix for the warranty. Thank your buddies who purchase those rods. You and they are picking up the tab, not the manufacturers.
It's what the majority wants, so like any good business they offer it. Of course it isn't free, that's not good business.
steezy reply :
Wow Pantera61, what have you got against a company charging for a warranty? Every company in business charges for their warranty. Anytime you buy anything from a car to a dishwasher it has the cost of the warranty builtin. Im not rich but can pretty much buy anything I want and most everything I buy has at least a standard warranty. I dont buy those extended warranties but consider the cost of the standard warranty to be a reasonable cost of doing business.
These no way I would pay the price for my expensive rods if a warranty was not part of the package.
fourbizz reply :
I am enthusiastic about high quality gear that enables me to catch large fish.
None of the JDM stuff is necessary for that.
steezy reply :
QuoteI am enthusiastic about high quality gear that enables me to catch large fish.None of the JDM stuff is necessary for that.
x100 on that comment!
Redlinerobert reply :
I like tackle. Period. The last couple years I've been more into the JDM stuff. Not because it makes me a better fisherman, but solely because I think these items are cool. Megabass, Evergreen, and the JDM Steez line are top of my list.
You can buy a few rods to use for specific purposes. I buy rods now more so to use, but also to collect. Same with the JDM reels I buy and modify, and don't get me started on the lures. ;D
The_Natural reply :
QuoteQuoteThe warranty G-Loomis provides isn't the only reason why I buy their product.From what I read, and that may have changed or I could be wrong, Megabass, Evergreen, etc do not offer ANY warranty. I don't expect them to provide the same warranty as G-Loomis but at least cover defects and workmanship.
If I order Evergreen and it arrives with a broken guide or splintered blank, will it be covered under a manufacturers warranty for full replacement at no charge to me? Will the rod be covered if I discover the defect a month or two later? If not, then screw'em. I'm not buying a product who's company doesn't back their product. If they will cover it then I will buy one or two.
I don't make enough money to afford $1000 dollar rods with no warranty against defects. If I made half a mill a year then I would gamble and buy one.
1. Yes, you are wrong in the case of Megabass. Since Megabass started official distribution in the U.S., there is a workmanship/materials warranty for 1 year.
2. Jackall has a warranty for workmanship/materials for 1 year.
3. Evergreen currently has no warranty inside the U.S. because all EG rods are considered to be bootlegs or unofficial products.
Don't thank Loomis or St. Croix for the warranty. Thank your buddies who purchase those rods. You and they are picking up the tab, not the manufacturers.
This is incorrect. Tom Ashby, who owns Gloomis.us, is not only a certified Evergreen dealer....but he is the largest evergreen dealer on the net. He is also the largest Megabass dealer on the net....right here in Indiana.
http://www.gloomis.us/EVERGREEN-INTERNATIONAL-140247.aspx
Bronzefly reply :
I like high end gear because it makes me happy to use it. I prefer rods with a warranty, but I know the risk if I purchase one without a warranty - and its one I'm willing to assume in certain cases. I take excellent care of my gear as well and rarely have any trouble with it. So yes, there are guys here who like high end gear, and also fish ALOT 8-)
Pantera61 reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe warranty G-Loomis provides isn't the only reason why I buy their product.From what I read, and that may have changed or I could be wrong, Megabass, Evergreen, etc do not offer ANY warranty. I don't expect them to provide the same warranty as G-Loomis but at least cover defects and workmanship.
If I order Evergreen and it arrives with a broken guide or splintered blank, will it be covered under a manufacturers warranty for full replacement at no charge to me? Will the rod be covered if I discover the defect a month or two later? If not, then screw'em. I'm not buying a product who's company doesn't back their product. If they will cover it then I will buy one or two.
I don't make enough money to afford $1000 dollar rods with no warranty against defects. If I made half a mill a year then I would gamble and buy one.
1. Yes, you are wrong in the case of Megabass. Since Megabass started official distribution in the U.S., there is a workmanship/materials warranty for 1 year.
2. Jackall has a warranty for workmanship/materials for 1 year.
3. Evergreen currently has no warranty inside the U.S. because all EG rods are considered to be bootlegs or unofficial products.
Don't thank Loomis or St. Croix for the warranty. Thank your buddies who purchase those rods. You and they are picking up the tab, not the manufacturers.
This is incorrect. Tom Ashby, who owns Gloomis.us, is not only a certified Evergreen dealer....but he is the largest evergreen dealer on the net. He is also the largest Megabass dealer on the net....right here in Indiana.
http://www.gloomis.us/EVERGREEN-INTERNATIONAL-140247.aspx
Thanks for the correction, considering a bought a new EG stick from them last week and was treated to excellent service. I knew EG was sponsoring a couple of American anglers on the FLW tour but I didn't know the distributorship was official.
@Steezy --- Aside from the $50.00 or whatever it is you pay for your no questions asked warranty, there is additional cost that is spread among every angler who purchases a stick of that brand. If you think the replacement cost of an item is, for sake of simplicity, 20% of MSRP, why aren't you questioning the initial cost of the item?
flechero reply :
QuoteI have some interest in possibly picking up a high end rod (megabass, gan craft, evergreen, etc.) but I have to end up going to other sites to read up on them. Anybody got any goodies?
Here you go...
http://www.bassresource.com/bass_fishing_forums/YaBB.pl?num=1251769793
steezy reply :
I have no control over what a company charges for their products. The marketplace has some say so by the fact that if no one buys the product, the company has to either stop selling it or try lowering the price. No sense wasting time complaining about the price or how a company determines their pricing sturcture.
My personal approach to any purchase is simple, if I cant afford it I dont buy it and I dont fault other consumers for buying the product at whatever the price.
Pantera61 reply :
Quote...My personal approach to any purchase is simple, if I cant afford it I dont buy it and I dont fault other consumers for buying the product at whatever the price.
Agreement on that
Dr. Perf reply :
QuoteThis is incorrect. Tom Ashby, who owns Gloomis.us, is not only a certified Evergreen dealer....but he is the largest evergreen dealer on the net. He is also the largest Megabass dealer on the net....right here in Indiana.
While it appears that Gloomis.us is an Evergreen dealer, there is no statement anywhere on the website that speaks to warranty other than G.Loomis products. It would be informative to know if the establishment provides an explicit warranty for the Megabass and Evergreen rods they sell.
While I am willing to speculate they will intercede for a customer in the case of a defective product, that is not the same as an explicit warranty, which gives the purchaser legal rights. So, if some type of warranty coverage is a factor in a purchase decision, make sure it is in "black and white".
Doc
Incheon Basser reply :
QuoteI like tackle. Period. The last couple years I've been more into the JDM stuff. Not because it makes me a better fisherman, but solely because I think these items are cool. Megabass, Evergreen, and the JDM Steez line are top of my list.You can buy a few rods to use for specific purposes. I buy rods now more so to use, but also to collect. Same with the JDM reels I buy and modify, and don't get me started on the lures. ;D
i'm with ya on this i collect and fish ... i enjoy buying a sweet looking crank as much as fishing it... if it catches fish i buy 10 if it doesn't it hangs on the wall eaither way i like them
Bantam1 reply :
QuoteBass Resource is about bass fishing.Tackle Tour is about tackle, catching anything with it is incidental.
Well said ;D
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