Convince Me To Use Flouro? 2024
Mikell reply :
Im thinking about getting some flouro line and im not sold 100%
1) It seems really stiff
2) Ive heard that it bird nests easyily or is hard to recover from a birdnest with it
Im not sure whichc reel I want to put it on but my setups are
7' M St Croix LTB Pflueger Summit Baitcast I use this for Soft Plastics Some frogging and kind of all around
7'3 MH Duckett Ghost with a Shimano Caenan Baitcast, this is for jigging and hard platic action lures cranks swims spinners etc. and heavy frogging.
So if I should get flouro what should I get and why?
lmbfisherman reply :
Why not just get floro and use it as a leader? (I do all the time) assuming you are using braided line already.
Simply put floro makes your line almost invisible, more abrasive resistant than braid and due to the lower stretch is more sensitive than using mono.
Frankly, not sure why anyone has to convince you. If you don't like it, then don't use it...if you're catching fish without it no reason to change.
Missourifishin reply :
On 3/20/2014 at 9:54 PM, lmbfisherman said:If you don't like it, then don't use it...if you're catching fish without it no reason to change.
I couldn't agree more. This is why I'm still using mono.
Mikell reply :
Ive never tried it so therefore im not sure if i "dont like it" that was the whole point of posting this simply to get some pros and cons?
what is some good floro to use for leader then?
ColdSVT reply :
Try it...seaguar abrazx or invisx, or sunline is great stuff. More sensitive than mono, less stretch too
It does take alittle getting used to compared to mono but it works great
If ya dont like it go back to what ya like and know. I like mono, flouro and braid for certain applications lol
I like braid for topwater and punching, mono for crankin, and flouro for evertthing else lol
Todd2 reply :
Pros - More sensitive than monocopolymer, less visible if you think that matters, more dense so it sinks better and some would argue better abrasion resistance.
Cons - Some have weaker knot strength, cost, and one good "bend" from a backlash and you are done.....IMO
I tried several brands, but always come back to copolymer in clear blue fluorescent. I can see it very good in most all conditions and that makes it more "sensitive" to me.
iabass8 reply :
The biggest reason i use fluoro on almost everything is its slack line sensitivity. Braid doesnt have any and mono isnt as dense. Nothing beats braid when using a tight line. Once theres a bow in the line or you are letting the bait fall on slack line, fluoros sensitivity is unmatched. Its abrasion resistance is also great. As far as handling and memory, use kvd line and lure conditioner and all your problems go away. Tie the right knot and check your line and you wont have any mystery breakoffs
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
Well I mostly use braid and tried fluoro last year and what is considered a very good brand Sunline Super Sniper. I found it to be very stretchy line. It was almost like work dragging bottom presentation through vegetation weeds and stuff, just not as efficient. It did behave nicely on the spool though and line coils were minimal to what I was expecting. I didnt even spray it with line conditioner which is recommended for fluoro and an added expense BTW.
Never got to notice the slack line sensitivity its said to have. I notice though it has less overall sensitivity than braid. With the same bottom dragging presentations I get more feedback from braid not doubt. On moving lures less feedback sent with fluoro for sure.
Lucky Craft Man reply :
On 3/20/2014 at 11:02 PM, iabass8 said:The biggest reason i use fluoro on almost everything is its slack line sensitivity. Braid doesnt have any and mono isnt as dense. Nothing beats braid when using a tight line. Once theres a bow in the line or you are letting the bait fall on slack line, fluoros sensitivity is unmatched. Its abrasion resistance is also great. As far as handling and memory, use kvd line and lure conditioner and all your problems go away. Tie the right knot and check your line and you wont have any mystery breakoffs
^^^ This paragraph says it all. The only thing I will add is that it sinks, which I like for every application, except topwater.
doyle8218 reply :
I don't think you should have to be convinced to use it. As with all fishing tools(line, reels, rods. tackle, etc) it is a matter of preference.
Raul reply :
On 3/20/2014 at 9:54 PM, lmbfisherman said:due to the lower stretch is more sensitive than using mono.
Not true fluoro stretches as much as Nylon and actually once stretched it´s stretched for good, it won´t "bounce back" like nylon does, the increased sensitivity is because fluro is denser than Nylon.
lmbfisherman reply :
On 3/21/2014 at 1:21 AM, Raul said:Not true fluoro stretches as much as Nylon and actually once stretched it´s stretched for good, it won´t "bounce back" like nylon does, the increased sensitivity is because fluro is denser than Nylon.
Thanks for the correction.
Lucky Craft Man reply :
On 3/21/2014 at 1:21 AM, Raul said:Not true fluoro stretches as much as Nylon and actually once stretched it´s stretched for good, it won´t "bounce back" like nylon does, the increased sensitivity is because fluro is denser than Nylon.
Well, actually, this is where the "low stretch" claim comes from. Once you use fluoro for a while, it will stretch out, but not spring back, which means it will stretch less the next time it is loaded. Though, what hasn't been studied is how much of a reduction in strength is experience in the fluoro once it is stretched out (i.e., once it has passed it's yield).
Flippinhook reply :
I use fluoro but I'm about to switch over to lake fork powersilk . There's not a whole lot of info on it but it's a copolymer line 11 percent stretch super thin .. I talked with with lake fork about it and asked would it b good for jigs and flipping and they were like yea ur gonna love it if u don't like fluoro .. I think fluoro is over rated and expensive. I really don't care about the invisibility factor as I really don't think it matters much ..we do have some clear lakes in arkansas and I'll get bit on braid just as much as my partner throwing fluoro. However I really like braid just on my topwater rod and frog rod as well as for punching
WIGuide reply :
Pros: Slightly less visible than mono and much less visible than braid; more abrasion resistant; more dense which helps in sink rate as well as getting crankbaits slightly deeper; another advantage from the density mentioned here is sensitivity is higher especially on a slack line.
Cons: More expensive; slightly stiffer (depending on brand); loses strength quicker when nicked.
Overall I think it's better, especially for certain situations. I use Berkley Professional Grade Fluorocarbon and I've had zero issues with knot strength, line memory, or knot problems. You'll want to make sure you check your line frequently because as stated, fluoro seems too lose it's strength a little quicker when beat up, but at the same time it's tougher to beat up so that kind of balances out. Since I started using it, I've switched almost exclusively to fluoro because I believe it's better. I think you should go ahead and give it a shot!
NathanW reply :
On 3/20/2014 at 9:50 PM, Mikell said:Im thinking about getting some flouro line and im not sold 100%
1) It seems really stiff
2) Ive heard that it bird nests easyily or is hard to recover from a birdnest with it
Im not sure whichc reel I want to put it on but my setups are
7' M St Croix LTB Pflueger Summit Baitcast I use this for Soft Plastics Some frogging and kind of all around
7'3 MH Duckett Ghost with a Shimano Caenan Baitcast, this is for jigging and hard platic action lures cranks swims spinners etc. and heavy frogging.
So if I should get flouro what should I get and why?
Just judging by the word "frogging" under both of those setups tells me you should be using Braid. Low stretch doesn't hurt for the soft plastics or jigs either. I like Fluoro, and use a lot of it, but if you start froggin with it... You're ganna have a bad time. If you start throwing hards, back your drag off and after the initial hookset put your thumb down and give it another short jerk to make sure you hooks get through...
Clear water? Tie on a leader.
Also, be careful about listening to Pro's talk about using fluoro all the time. The line companies make more money off Fluorocarbon line than any other and encourage their Pro's to push it. Not just because of the initial price but also because it needs to be replaced frequently, unlike braid.
I see it all the time pros talking about how they "always" fish fluoro mainlines on spinning setups, but then you see them on tournament days fishing a braid mainline.
ChrisD46 reply :
Fluoro in 6lb ~ 8lb in clear water for drop shot , 8lb ~ 10lb for clear water crank bait and jerk bait , 20lb ~ 25lb for flippin & pitching also in clear water.
719BassFishing reply :
Flourocarbon is great for crank baits, spinner baits, jerk baits etc.. monofilament floats and also has a lot of stretch in it. When your'e fishing something like a suspending jerkbait, you don't want the line to float because it wont allow the bait to suspend. Also when using something like a crank bait, the stretch in monofilament can hurt the hook-set seeing how crankbait rods are already very forgiving. Flouro is just a much better line all around. The only thing i recommend mono for is top water.
Mikell reply :
okay so i bought some sunline super floro im gonna use it as a leader, can any instruct the best way to tie it on? best knot? should that knot be able to reel through my guides or should it be that long?
SirSnookalot reply :
I can't convince myself to use it.
Loop_Dad reply :
On 3/20/2014 at 11:02 PM, iabass8 said:The biggest reason i use fluoro on almost everything is its slack line sensitivity. Braid doesnt have any and mono isnt as dense. Nothing beats braid when using a tight line. Once theres a bow in the line or you are letting the bait fall on slack line, fluoros sensitivity is unmatched. Its abrasion resistance is also great. As far as handling and memory, use kvd line and lure conditioner and all your problems go away. Tie the right knot and check your line and you wont have any mystery breakoffs
I went from mono to fluoro for a couple of years and now almost all braid. I didn't notice about flouro's more slack line sensitivity than braid.
But why is that flouro is more sensitive in slack line? I mean flouro is dense, but it stretches. So lets say a fish pulls the end of line a bit, the amount is reduced more with flouro due to more stretch in the line, isn't it?
I watch line when I do slack line. I seem to be able to see the line move just fine with braid. And possibly the fact I line watch might be the reason I didn't notice about said slack line sensitivey of flouro, because I am seeing it before sensing it.
BTW, to op, one thing I miss about flouro is because it sinks, it produces less slack with bottom contact baits than braid which floats.
Mikell reply :
i have braid on both reels, i believe ill just use it for a leader and let it go at that haha
iabass8 reply :
On 3/21/2014 at 4:18 PM, Loop_Dad said:BTW, to op, one thing I miss about flouro is because it sinks, it produces less slack with bottom contact baits than braid which floats.
You answered your question right there. Braid and mono float which creates a larger bow in your line. Some "sink" but not like fluoro. Fluoro is a sinking, dense line which transmites vibrations on a slack line. Braid doesnt transmit anything on a slack line.
frogflogger reply :
On 3/21/2014 at 9:39 AM, Mikell said:okay so i bought some sunline super floro im gonna use it as a leader, can any instruct the best way to tie it on? best knot? should that knot be able to reel through my guides or should it be that long?
There are a number of knots for flouro to braid- I've had good success with the alberto - it goes through the guides well enough.
roadwarrior reply :
On 3/21/2014 at 3:19 AM, WIGuide said:Pros: Slightly less visible than mono and much less visible than braid; more abrasion resistant; more dense which helps in sink rate as well as getting crankbaits slightly deeper; another advantage from the density mentioned here is sensitivity is higher especially on a slack line.
Cons: More expensive; slightly stiffer (depending on brand); loses strength quicker when nicked.
As a leader I don't think the brand is particularly important. I would recommend Seaguar AbrazX
For mainline manageability is a primary concern. Seaguar Tatsu is THE BOMB!
WIGuide reply :
On 3/21/2014 at 9:52 PM, roadwarrior said:As a leader I don't think the brand is particularly important. I would recommend Seaguar AbrazX
For mainline manageability is a primary concern. Seaguar Tatsu is THE BOMB!
For the price it should be! I'm more than happy with my Berkley 100% Fluoro
Loop_Dad reply :
On 3/21/2014 at 8:30 PM, iabass8 said:You answered your question right there. Braid and mono float which creates a larger bow in your line. Some "sink" but not like fluoro. Fluoro is a sinking, dense line which transmites vibrations on a slack line. Braid doesnt transmit anything on a slack line.
Ok makes sense. So we are basically talking about float vs sink, bow vs not bow. I agree. Less effect in shallows and more effect in deep.
rippin-lips reply :
USE FLUORO! Convinced?
TorqueConverter reply :
On 3/21/2014 at 4:18 PM, Loop_Dad said:I went from mono to fluoro for a couple of years and now almost all braid. I didn't notice about flouro's more slack line sensitivity than braid.
But why is that flouro is more sensitive in slack line? I mean flouro is dense, but it stretches. So lets say a fish pulls the end of line a bit, the amount is reduced more with flouro due to more stretch in the line, isn't it?
I watch line when I do slack line. I seem to be able to see the line move just fine with braid. And possibly the fact I line watch might be the reason I didn't notice about said slack line sensitivey of flouro, because I am seeing it before sensing it.
BTW, to op, one thing I miss about flouro is because it sinks, it produces less slack with bottom contact baits than braid which floats.
Fluorocarbon fishing lines stretch but the stretch is not an elastic (stretch and return) like you see in monofilament lines. The stretching that is a result of elasticity in a mono line is a healthy behavior. The type of stretch you see in fluros is a plastic stretch. Lines with high plasticity will stretch and stay stretched. This is an unhealthy behavior for a fishing line because the line has become permanently deformed at the eras where the line has stretched.
The elastic stretch of mono occurs are very light loads, such as hook sets, fishing a fish ect, where as the plastic stretch of a flurocarbon line should only occur at loads approaching line failure. You should see no stretch from elasticity in a fluorocarbon line and the only time any stretching should be observed is when pushing the line to it's breaking point.
A good Fluro should have no stretch when fishing and catching. Do to this lack of elasticity, all the power of a hookset and fishing fish goes to the knot. Knot failure is more common with fluro than with monos typically. Some people even believe that you can "burn the knot" with the stuff but that is most likely the result of people making up audacious claims to explain away knot failure not realizing that elasticity protects the integrity of a knot.
Mikell reply :
lol i didnt expect this to have such a response i used floro as a leader today and its just not for me 2 casts and 2 backlashes cus the knot stuck on the guides, i used and albright, i tied it correct and yes i clipped the tag ends down to the knot and it still got stuck on the guides first two casts so its not for me lol
Jeff H reply :
On 3/21/2014 at 3:58 PM, SirSnookalot said:I can't convince myself to use it.
I too have failed in my attempts
rippin-lips reply :
Hate say it but your knot wasn't right then. I use leaders fairly often and a good many of my rods are micro guides and I haven't experienced knots getting stuck in the guide train. I use the Albright special for leader to braid connections. Here's a link if you wanna give it another try.On 3/22/2014 at 11:04 AM, Mikell said:lol i didnt expect this to have such a response i used floro as a leader today and its just not for me 2 casts and 2 backlashes cus the knot stuck on the guides, i used and albright, i tied it correct and yes i clipped the tag ends down to the knot and it still got stuck on the guides first two casts so its not for me lol
http://youtu.be/IEYeUl5bBCA
Mikell reply :
On 3/23/2014 at 2:08 AM, rippin-lips said:Hate say it but your knot wasn't right then. I use leaders fairly often and a good many of my rods are micro guides and I haven't experienced knots getting stuck in the guide train. I use the Albright special for leader to braid connections. Here's a link if you wanna give it another try.
http://youtu.be/IEYeUl5bBCA
thanks for the input and the tip maybe it wasnt but it looked just like the pics ive seen of example and demos of it so ill just stick to braid for now
RipSomeLips reply :
On 3/21/2014 at 9:39 AM, Mikell said:okay so i bought some sunline super floro im gonna use it as a leader, can any instruct the best way to tie it on? best knot? should that knot be able to reel through my guides or should it be that long?
From reading several experts and personal experience...The double uni knot is the way to go. I use flurocarbon as a leader to fire line and this is the only knot that works well.
nowicki2005 reply :
On 3/23/2014 at 3:51 AM, Mikell said:thanks for the input and the tip maybe it wasnt but it looked just like the pics ive seen of example and demos of it so ill just stick to braid for now
No offense but to give up on using fluro because it is getting "stuck" through the guides and to not think that it is something you're doing wrong wouldnt be smart. You're clearly tying the knot wrong. I don't get how you don't realize its user error on the knot and try it again? If people out there use the same knots to tie on their leaders and never have this problem its obviously something on your end.
rippin-lips reply :
^^^ No need to be harsh about it.
Op give it another shot. You'll love the slack line sensitivity of fluoro. Though sometimes it's not for everyone. Only you can decide that part.
Hogsticker reply :
How is fluoro the problem for your knot not passing through the guides? If you're back lashing with a fluoro leader tied to something else your leader is much to long. Only need about 2 feet tops. I understand people having line management issues with fluoro as a main line, but not as a leader. Are your guides super micros?
Hogsticker reply :
Oh I see. Backlash from the knot hitting the guides
Mikell reply :
well ive got the floro still so i can give it another try lol and just for the record minutes after i tied the leader i went out and practiced and it didnt catch on the guide but what caused the whole aggravation was that as soon as i went out to actually fish it backlashed twice cus it got caught. Now you cant tell me that wouldnt frustrate you when youve been counting the hours to get off work just to go fish a new spot a local tipped you off too and the first two casts cause you to backlash? lol
no offense taken though lol everything is a learning process
Hattrick7 reply :
I tied on a fluoro leader with mono and man the sensitivity is pretty amazing. Was using a t rigged worm, set the hook, and right when the bass jumped it shook the hook. I had another one on and then it came undone.
Is the hookset a little different than a mono line?
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