BPS Fathers Day Sale - BPS Pro Qualifier 2024

CFFF 1.5 reply :

If you are thinking about driving to BPS to buy one of these, save your gas. This was the heaviest rod I have ever picked up and it wasn't the real Pro Qualifier rod and reel. While the reel was very nice it was the tournament edition what ever that means, but the rod was horrible. It felt ok action wise but weighed a ton. I never really thought I cared how much a rod and reel combo weighed until I picked this combo up. BPS also had the real Pro Qualifier combos set up in the store and were a lot lighter than the cheap tournament series pro qualifier combo. The price was very interesting. $100 for a pro qualifier combo. I really wanted to buy one of these but the weight ended up being a big issue. Save your time if you planned to go buy one of these.

Muddy reply :

This is my one B&$#H about BPS, they do it all the time. They will either suggest or actually show the wrong pic of a rod and reel combo to get suckers to buy them. Every Fathers day and Christmas, they have a reputation to sell to customers THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT

If you search you will find one of these threads, every spring/summer and every Christmas , since I have been a member here.- >

JellyMan reply :

I do majority of my shopping at BPS.

I live down the street from one tho so its easy for me. I would suggest in the future, to NEVER BUY GEAR WITHOUT TOUCHING IT FIRST.

That will save you all your frustrations.

Good luck man.

CFFF 1.5 reply :

I didn't go specifically to buy the combo but figured I would check it out.

KYntucky Warmouth reply :

That's just like the Pro Qualifier Viper rods/reels last year. They looked good but were rather heavy and clunky. I would say that the combo that was on sale was the new version of their LTD series, top shelf name, bargain bin construction. I really hate those bait and switch gimmicks they pull from time to time. Gotta watch the Extreme XPS combos as well. You think you are getting an Extreme rod and reel for the price of the reel but you get an Extreme reel on a black blank XPS rod that, even for a BPS rod, is extremely heavy.

CFFF 1.5 reply :

the reel seemed to be exactly like the real pro qualifier but the rod was crap. The reel was sweet.

adclem reply :

I really like the sale they have going on the Revo SX in the fathers day sale ad. Regular $195 now $170,lol

Its on sale at regular price, go figure!

Later,

MarauderYak reply :

The ad looked pretty clear to me. It is a special edition of the Pro Qualifier reel that has Duraluminum gears. The upgraded/lighter reel is the same price as the regular reel and it comes with a free rod.

I guess I don't understand what's so upsetting about that.?. :-?

Muddy reply :

What happens a lot, is they try to rope in the less informed fishermen. The last 2 fathers day they had on one year the Extreme Combo, same reel, horrible rod and a Rick Clunn , that was not the same as the every day combo. The issue is the combo pics, on a lot of the circulars are of the every day combo, this happens frequently here. Do a search there have been many threads about this issue.,

MarauderYak reply :

Muddy, I think your confussion must be coming from the fact they use similar names on some of their special make-ups they do. But if you look at the ad...

http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CFPageC?storeId=10151&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&appID=163&option=3&template=circular.cfm&catalog=jun1_09_tab&rfx_versioningid=001&storeID=15

It says "Special Purchase!" in big red letters, the reel is a different color, and the description says it's an upgraded version of the reel. I don't know how it could be any more clear unless they used a completely different name. But in the fishing industry in can be tough to come up with a name that hasn't been used by someone else. That's why you see companies stick with names they already own the rights for.

CFFF 1.5 reply :

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Muddy, I think your confussion must be coming from the fact they use similar names on some of their special make-ups they do. But if you look at the ad...
http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CFPageC?storeId=10151&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&appID=163&option=3&template=circular.cfm&catalog=jun1_09_tab&rfx_versioningid=001&storeID=15

It says "Special Purchase!" in big red letters, the reel is a different color, and the description says it's an upgraded version of the reel. I don't know how it could be any more clear unless they used a completely different name. But in the fishing industry in can be tough to come up with a name that hasn't been used by someone else. That's why you see companies stick with names they already own the rights for.

It is misleading any way you look at it. The reel was very nice and on par with the "Real" Pro Qualifier the problem is with the rod. The ad specifically states $200 value which it is not. The price tag on the Rod/Reel Combo clearly stated $119.95 marked down to $99.94. That is not a $100 rod. Like the original price tag stated it is maybe a $30 rod.

MarauderYak reply :

I'm not trying to convince anyone to buy that combo. If you don't like something, you don't like it. But I personally still don't see how it's misleading.

What's the retail price of other similar reels? You can't find a reel with Duraluminum gears in that price range. The closest is the Pflueger Summit which is $170. Comparing the rod is a little more difficult, but I can tell you I've seen much worse rods for $80. In other words, I don't think you could find a similar rod & reel for less than $200 (normal retail).

If you can't tell, I have one of these combos. I pulled the reel to put with a different rod, and I'm putting an old citica on this combo rod for a backup/loaner. I haven't been able to take it out yet, but the reel feels awesome and weighs just 7 oz.

CFFF 1.5 reply :

The new 09 pro qualifiers that cost $100 have duralumin gears. The misleading part is it is advertised as a $200 combo for $100 but the price tag on the rod/reel combo is 119.95

MarauderYak reply :

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The new 09 pro qualifiers that cost $100 have duralumin gears. The misleading part is it is advertised as a $200 combo for $100 but the price tag on the rod/reel combo is 119.95

The '09 Pro Qualifiers have brass gears. That's why this version is 1.8 oz lighter.

The reason they put a "regular" price of $120 is so they can sell what ever they have left after the ad for that price. But they're saying if they were to produce that reel & that rod for every day sale they would be $200 seperately. Some times I think they get a little carried away with the "value" they assign, but I personally don't feel mislead. Would I pay $200? No. Do I love the rod? No. But it's not bad, and I bought this thing for the reel. The reel is awesome for $100.

CFFF 1.5 reply :

in the 2009 catalog they had the pro qualifiers listed as having duralumin gears.

Muddy reply :

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Muddy, I think your confussion must be coming from the fact they use similar names on some of their special make-ups they do. But if you look at the ad...
I am not CONFUSED, but they are certainly trying to confuse rookies. I used to have an account with them, but because of this and a lot of shipping issues I do not do business with them anymore.I have years , many years of experience both in dealing with them and purchasing fishing equipment. I do know what I am talking about and like I said, use the search function this has been an ongoing source of complaints on these forums

MarauderYak reply :

Well Muddy, I guess we'll just disagree on this one. It wouldn't make any sense for ANY retailer to try and confuse their customers. BPS tends to promote a lot of one-time buys. It's just like how all the electronics companies bring in special purchase TV's around Christmas time. They're all trying to give customers a reason to come to them.

And using complaints on this forum as a source of proof just doesn't hold water. There have been a ton of complaints about every fishing brand out there. Do they all suck?

Muddy reply :

NO JUST BPS does on this issue. I am speaking from personal first hand experience, which goes back for a number of years dealing with this retailer. Posted complaints by members I fish with and have become friends with over the last 3 years here, well their posts definitely matter.

I really don't enjoy being talked down to. I only rate what I use and I

have used everything I talk about,

MarauderYak reply :

Well Muddy your wrong when you say BPS is trying to deceive anyone. I personally know the people that pick the items they promote. They would certainly not try to trick anyone into thinking they were getting something they weren't.

You are obviously entitled to have & express your opinion, but to say BPS is trying to "pull one over" on people is nonsense. I'm not trying to talk down to you; I was trying to explain to you how/why BPS promotes items. I'm not guessing what their intentions are because I talk to the guys all the time. And I didn't call your (or any of your friend's) complaints worthless. I simply said that having a complaint on this board does not make an item/company bad. There have been several complaints on Carrot Stix, yet many people here still love theirs.

Why don't you look at the item in question here, and tell me what they could've done differently to make it any more clear that this was a special make-up item.

CFFF 1.5 reply :

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Well Muddy your wrong when you say BPS is trying to deceive anyone. I personally know the people that pick the items they promote. They would certainly not try to trick anyone into thinking they were getting something they weren't.
You are obviously entitled to have & express your opinion, but to say BPS is trying to "pull one over" on people is nonsense. I'm not trying to talk down to you; I was trying to explain to you how/why BPS promotes items. I'm not guessing what their intentions are because I talk to the guys all the time. And I didn't call your (or any of your friend's) complaints worthless. I simply said that having a complaint on this board does not make an item/company bad. There have been several complaints on Carrot Stix, yet many people here still love theirs.

Why don't you look at the item in question here, and tell me what they could've done differently to make it any more clear that this was a special make-up item.

Yes they advertised it as a special make up but also stated it was a $200 combo but the original price tag on the rod/reel combo was $119.99 marked down to $99.94.

Muddy reply :

He just beat me too it. Last Christmas ( 07 to 08) They had the extreme combos , marked way down, except the rod was not the extreme in the paper. A member who I know and trust, who worked for BPS, said the rods were specially made for the sale. They were listed at the full retail OF THE EVERYDAY COMBO and the rod was in fact different

They Had the Rick Clunn ( I happen to love that reel) combo listed as on sale last Fathers Day, at the Harrisburg PA store, it was a LTD ( DIFFERENT REEL) and rod, I know I went to buy it and it was not a Rick Clunn. If you think adding LTD makes it alright and it is not misleading , more power to you.

I buy for a giveaway program and have not had these issues at other retailers, especially Cabelas, who are probably their biggest competitor.

They do have a habit of putting up a piece of merchandise on the web site at an inflated price then a few weeks later putting it on sale for a month at the price they wanted to sell it out to begin with

I do not work for or own stock in Cabelas, just a mook who really watches for good prices and fair practices

MarauderYak reply :

I talked to a friend at BPS to ask him about your specific complaints.

First, he was pretty sure what you were talking about with the Extreme. In 2007 they ran the Extreme spinning reel with a free rod & listed the rod as a $60 value, but the rod is not one they sell. The problem was... in the ad it showed a picture of one of the regular Extreme rods. He said it was the biggest mistake he remembers happening for rods or reels in an ad. He said they ended up giving away a bunch of Extreme rods to make customers happy, and they ended up losing money & running out of rods. So you are correct that this was misleading, but it was all because of a mistake with a picture.

He said he's 99% sure that they've never done any LTD, or special make-up Rick Clunn reel or combo. He said he looked through coppies of the Father's day ad from the last 3 years, and the only Rick Clunn in there was the regular reel on sale.

He said they have done a Johnny Morris LTD reel, and that must be what your thinking of. The reels are listed as a special purchase, and they're made at the exact same factory as the regular reels, and in that case just changed the finish & model #. He said neither the factory nor BPS makes as much money on those special runs, but it creates more sales & generates customer excitement.

I don't understand how you (Muddy) consider that a rip-off. They're offering the same reel in a different color for a cheaper price. If these special make-ups were some cheaper knock-off I could see your point, but they aren't. In fact in this case (PQ) it's an upgraded version.

To address both you AND CFFF on a point... The combo in question here was brought in for this Father's Day ad. They wanted to sell it at $99.94 in the ad, but want it to jump up to $119.99 after the ad if there are any left. The $200 value is based on what it would cost to go buy a rod & reel with very similar features (at full retail). He said if that exact reel was being sold every day by another company it would easily be $150+, and even at BPS would likely be $130 every day.

They do some times run sales a month after getting an item, but then they go back to the regular price. The only company out there that plays the high/low game is D!cks sporting goods. They always try to list an original, a regular, and a sale price.

Muddy reply :

I am done with this, I know what I know, and it is from years of experience dealing with them and they lost my account. I held , in my own 2 hands what they were calling a Clunn combo at that store, it was not the combo I already had home, purchased from the Internet. I am 100% sure of this and telling the truth. Tell your friend he is a loyal employee, I am sure they appreciate that

If you go to BPS, as I have done on 2 instances and you know something is on sale online, they will not meet the price, as they say and it's true BPS on line and retail stores are 2 different entities

If you go to Cabelas to do the same, they meet their Internet price, and will even look it up for you

Their shipping policies and practices also over priced: how about I can get many of the non BPS branded items for the same or less prices: Shipped free from 2 other retailers as long as the order is more than 50 bucks. saving some 11 to 14 bucks an order.

I don't know why good companies lie, or as you said they don't

CitiBank

Enron

Madoff Hedge Funds

Yea I cant wait to trust another major company on blind faith

My Mother and Father did not raise any fools that live in my house

See Ya

PS I must apologize, I usually save stuff as proof, I never thought I would have to prove everything I said. There were links and proof , if you would bother to do an old search of those threads

Big Bait Fishing reply :

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in the 2009 catalog they had the pro qualifiers listed as having duralumin gears.

nope , the ''johnny morris signature series'' bait cast real has the

duralumin gears , i'm looking at the 2009 master catalog .

MarauderYak reply :

This is a big forum with a lot of BPS customers. Can anyone here produce any proof that BPS sold a Rick Clunn LTD special make-up combo? I'm betting no, since they never did.

I never said anything about trusting all companies. I said I can't imagine a retailer (refering to sporting goods) would try to deceive their customers into buying something & thinking they were getting something else. If they did, that retailer wouldn't be around long.

I still haven't heard an explanation how buying an upgraded reel with a free rod for the same price as the original is somehow a bad thing.

CFFF 1.5 reply :

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in the 2009 catalog they had the pro qualifiers listed as having duralumin gears.
nope , the ''johnny morris signature series'' bait cast real has the
duralumin gears , i'm looking at the 2009 master catalog .

I retract that statement, but I would have swore that the pro qualifier was listed as having duralumin gears because I remember flipping to the extreme's to see if they also had the duralumin gears.

Muddy reply :

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This is a big forum with a lot of BPS customers. Can anyone here produce any proof that BPS sold a Rick Clunn LTD special make-up combo? I'm betting no, since they never did.
I never said anything about trusting all companies. I said I can't imagine a retailer (refering to sporting goods) would try to deceive their customers into buying something & thinking they were getting something else. If they did, that retailer wouldn't be around long.

I still haven't heard an explanation how buying an upgraded reel with a free rod for the same price as the original is somehow a bad thing.

Are you saying that I am lying? Since I am the one who drove the 52 miles only to be handed the wrong reel, is that what you are saying? So either the salesman and his manager were both wrong, and insited the reel the handed me was the one on sale , and I drove back and forth for nothing, or it was the wrong picture in the circular.

Do you work for this retailer?

Have you used the search like I asked you to , it's easy and both threads are there. The one with the extreme from Christmas 2007 and 2008, that was a different rod then advertised and a former BPS worker here backs that up , right on page 2 of that thread.

The Father's day , actually has 2 combos in question. I am glad you came by, as we have all been wrong so long about these issues, GEEZ!!! :-?

Muddy reply :

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This is a big forum with a lot of BPS customers. Can anyone here produce any proof that BPS sold a Rick Clunn LTD special make-up combo? I'm betting no, since they never did.
I never said anything about trusting all companies. I said I can't imagine a retailer (refering to sporting goods) would try to deceive their customers into buying something & thinking they were getting something else. If they did, that retailer wouldn't be around long.

I still haven't heard an explanation how buying an upgraded reel with a free rod for the same price as the original is somehow a bad thing.

Depends on what you consider an upgrade is, a free piece of crap is just that a free piece of crap, it'slike giving free ice to the eskimo's , just as useless

Is your last name Morris?

J Francho reply :

I actually found this very confusing. BPS online sells a Pro Qualifier Baitcast Combo for $190. Its a $100 reel saddled to a $140 rod. You save $50. I don't why anyone would not buy the combo!

http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_10001_102398_100003001_100000000_100003000_100-3-1

The flier for the Springfield, MO location is offering a Pro Qualifier Tournament Baitcast Combo for $100. Sounds like the same thing as above. So it has upgraded gears, that's worth about $10 - $20. It says its a $200 value. That leaves ~$80 for the rod value.

Wondering just what rod you get in the package? What rod is regularly priced at ~$80 and is made using an IM-8 blank? Yep, a Bionic Blade.

OK, a nice reel and a Bionic Blade for $100. Wait a minute, though....Bionic Blades are usually on sale for $50 (they are right now, online).

What is this reel really worth?

If you look deeply into this type of pricing, you'll find it very difficult to determine that actual value of the items, making it more difficult for me to determine if the actual selling price is a good deal.

You don't see this outside of the private label brands because the manufacturers have an actual recommended retail price. In the fishing industry, normal price is usually pretty close to this value, and a "good price" is easy to spot.

I can see both sides of this, you get a nice reel and a free crap rod. I know they are crap, as I've broken more than a few. They are decent, though, and BPS stands behind their product, dolling out replacements ad nauseum. Heck, it was free!

I can also see where this is all too confusing, with the waters being too muddied to see the true value of the purchase (sorry for the pun, I can't resist!). At first glance, I thought it was a screaming deal, until I did the research.

Daniel My Brother reply :

Marauder Yak,

I still shop at BPS, but I am skeptical of anything they advertise as 'Limited Edition' or 'Tournament Edition' or 'Special Purchase' or 'LTD' and the list goes on....

Here's one of the threads Muddy referred to earlier. This pretty much sums it up for me:

http://www.bassresource.com/bass_fishing_forums/YaBB.pl?num=1195492478/0

Muddy reply :

Thanks Mr.Francho, you put a sensible take on what I am feeling. Daniel, I was hoping Mr. Morris would search out the thread, if he thought it so important. Thanks for the back up 8-)

I know I have a short fuse at times, and have had to apologize a few times but I can't stand someone implying that I am lying, this mook said it straight out. I am satisfied that the folks who know me here understand that I pride myself that I always tell the truth, and integrity means a lot to me

MarauderYak reply :

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I actually found this very confusing. BPS online sells a Pro Qualifier Baitcast Combo for $190. Its a $100 reel saddled to a $140 rod. You save $50. I don't why anyone would not buy the combo!
http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_-1_10001_102398_100003001_100000000_100003000_100-3-1

The flier for the Springfield, MO location is offering a Pro Qualifier Tournament Baitcast Combo for $100. Sounds like the same thing as above. So it has upgraded gears, that's worth about $10 - $20. It says its a $200 value. That leaves ~$80 for the rod value.

Wondering just what rod you get in the package? What rod is regularly priced at ~$80 and is made using an IM-8 blank? Yep, a Bionic Blade.

OK, a nice reel and a Bionic Blade for $100. Wait a minute, though....Bionic Blades are usually on sale for $50 (they are right now, online).

What is this reel really worth?

If you look deeply into this type of pricing, you'll find it very difficult to determine that actual value of the items, making it more difficult for me to determine if the actual selling price is a good deal.

You don't see this outside of the private label brands because the manufacturers have an actual recommended retail price. In the fishing industry, normal price is usually pretty close to this value, and a "good price" is easy to spot.

I can see both sides of this, you get a nice reel and a free crap rod. I know they are crap, as I've broken more than a few. They are decent, though, and BPS stands behind their product, dolling out replacements ad nauseum. Heck, it was free!

I can also see where this is all too confusing, with the waters being too muddied to see the true value of the purchase (sorry for the pun, I can't resist!). At first glance, I thought it was a screaming deal, until I did the research.

I completely understand your confusion as you've stated it here. I do work in the industry & work with BPS alot. Some times it's not so easy to see things from a different perspective.

When BPS lists a reel or combo with a regular name followed by "limited" or "Special" or "Tournament", they've made a special production run. Often it's just a cosmetic change on a reel & paired with a matching rod. In this exact case it meant taking their current PQ reel & upgrading to duraluminum gears. When they list it in an ad, they often list a "value". If the items were actually sold at a higher price they list a "savings".

What's the true value to you? Well, I think that mainly comes down to the reel. If you like the PQ, what's it worth to have one that's 7 oz instead of 8.8? For the rods & reels I currently own, the rod in this combo makes for a great loaner combo.

If it would help in the future, I can usually get more detailed info as to exactly what these special purchases are. For example, the internals of this reel are the same as that one. I'm more likely to be able to help with BPS, but may very well be able to help with other retailers as well.

MarauderYak reply :

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Thanks Mr.Francho, you put a sensible take on what I am feeling. Daniel, I was hoping Mr. Morris would search out the thread, if he thought it so important. Thanks for the back up 8-)
I know I have a short fuse at times, and have had to apologize a few times but I can't stand someone implying that I am lying, this mook said it straight out. I am satisfied that the folks who know me here understand that I pride myself that I always tell the truth, and integrity means a lot to me

I never said you are lying. I said you were mistaken. If you are positive you aren't mistaken... then you're lying. If I must, I can get pictures of the Father's Day ads for Harrisburg for the last three years. Not only was this not advertised, it was never made. I spoke directly with the importer that brings in all the BPS reels & he confirmed that there's NEVER bee a special make-up Rick Clunn.

I'm not going to presume what your intentions are, or your intelligence level is, but you're wrong. Before you keep calling me names & making idiotic claims about me, you should attempt to get your facts straight.

J Francho reply :

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When BPS lists a reel or combo with a regular name followed by "limited" or "Special" or "Tournament", they've made a special production run. Often it's just a cosmetic change on a reel & paired with a matching rod. In this exact case it meant taking their current PQ reel & upgrading to duraluminum gears. When they list it in an ad, they often list a "value". If the items were actually sold at a higher price they list a "savings".

And you can sit there and state that this isn't confusing? Think about the target market for this product. Its not the guy using the rod and reel that will be buying it. It will be a wife or son or daughter that purchases it as a gift. The item is specifically placed on back page, where higher price point items are usually featured. A "Half Off!!" sale price on something that looks like a $200 item is like crack to the target audience.

Its not a bad deal, don't get me wrong, but it isn't that good.

MarauderYak reply :

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Marauder Yak,
I still shop at BPS, but I am skeptical of anything they advertise as 'Limited Edition' or 'Tournament Edition' or 'Special Purchase' or 'LTD' and the list goes on....

Here's one of the threads Muddy referred to earlier. This pretty much sums it up for me:

http://www.bassresource.com/bass_fishing_forums/YaBB.pl?num=1195492478/0

Thanks for the link. I think I have a better idea of the skepticism. Like I mentioned before... next time I see a similar situation, I'll see if I can get more details to post here.

If I'm not sure about something, I won't present it as fact.

FishDontLikeMe1301600221 reply :

WOW...all this for housebrand stuff???? *rolls eyes*

Muddy reply :

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Thanks Mr.Francho, you put a sensible take on what I am feeling. Daniel, I was hoping Mr. Morris would search out the thread, if he thought it so important. Thanks for the back up 8-)
I know I have a short fuse at times, and have had to apologize a few times but I can't stand someone implying that I am lying, this mook said it straight out. I am satisfied that the folks who know me here understand that I pride myself that I always tell the truth, and integrity means a lot to me

I never said you are lying. I said you were mistaken. If you are positive you aren't mistaken... then you're lying. If I must, I can get pictures of the Father's Day ads for Harrisburg for the last three years. Not only was this not advertised, it was never made. I spoke directly with the importer that brings in all the BPS reels & he confirmed that there's NEVER bee a special make-up Rick Clunn.

I'm not going to presume what your intentions are, or your intelligence level is, but you're wrong. Before you keep calling me names & making idiotic claims about me, you should attempt to get your facts straight.

So the only other possibility , when I got there for the Rick Clunn combo and they handed me another reel, was that they were mistaken! I would say that was a good possibility. 58 miles each way and 3 hours of my time and they handed me a wrong reel, it was not even Blue like the one I have.My friend Ron was with me, unfortunately he lives in Fla now, but this happened to me.

The other issue in this mess is, the upgraded versions are sometimes not an upgrade but a similar reel also made by whoever makes Pinnacle reels, as the insides are frequently interchangeable with both Pflueger and Pinnacle reels. Cart 7 from here took a few apart and made his own reel by combining the parts. Good guess that they come from a similar source

Adding Ball Bearings is not always an upgrade, depends on the bearings used and where they are put.

There is a strong implication in the Extreme Case that the rods were the regular rods, being offered daily with the Extreme combos, those rods, on that Christmas sale were not the same rods.

BPS turned out to be the best salesmen for Cabelas, I own 4 bait casting outfits all with Cabelas Fish Eagle II rods and Pflueger Trions

They are much closer to me so I can take advantage of free to site shipping and they readily match their Internet sales pricing.

MarauderYak reply :

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When BPS lists a reel or combo with a regular name followed by "limited" or "Special" or "Tournament", they've made a special production run. Often it's just a cosmetic change on a reel & paired with a matching rod. In this exact case it meant taking their current PQ reel & upgrading to duraluminum gears. When they list it in an ad, they often list a "value". If the items were actually sold at a higher price they list a "savings".

And you can sit there and state that this isn't confusing? Think about the target market for this product. Its not the guy using the rod and reel that will be buying it. It will be a wife or son or daughter that purchases it as a gift. The item is specifically placed on back page, where higher price point items are usually featured. A "Half Off!!" sale price on something that looks like a $200 item is like crack to the target audience.
Its not a bad deal, don't get me wrong, but it isn't that good.

It's not confusing to me Looking at it from other's point of view... even my description was confusing.

I can assure you that the people responsible for the ads at BPS will watch this thread. What precisely would you like to see them do differently with a promotion like this next time? Not list a value maybe? What if they took more room in the ad & flat out stated something like... "We took our current Pro Qualifier reel and made the gears out of duraluminum instead of brass..." I'm not assuming they are going to do what you ask, but I guarantee they'll listen to suggestions as to what people like & don't like.

FishDontLikeMe1301600221 reply :

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When BPS lists a reel or combo with a regular name followed by "limited" or "Special" or "Tournament", they've made a special production run. Often it's just a cosmetic change on a reel & paired with a matching rod. In this exact case it meant taking their current PQ reel & upgrading to duraluminum gears. When they list it in an ad, they often list a "value". If the items were actually sold at a higher price they list a "savings".

And you can sit there and state that this isn't confusing? Think about the target market for this product. Its not the guy using the rod and reel that will be buying it. It will be a wife or son or daughter that purchases it as a gift. The item is specifically placed on back page, where higher price point items are usually featured. A "Half Off!!" sale price on something that looks like a $200 item is like crack to the target audience.
Its not a bad deal, don't get me wrong, but it isn't that good.

It's not confusing to me Looking at it from other's point of view... even my description was confusing.

I can assure you that the people responsible for the ads at BPS will watch this thread. What precisely would you like to see them do differently with a promotion like this next time? Not list a value maybe? What if they took more room in the ad & flat out stated something like... "We took our current Pro Qualifier reel and made the gears out of duraluminum instead of brass..." I'm not assuming they are going to do what you ask, but I guarantee they'll listen to suggestions as to what people like & don't like.

im no rocket scientist but im going to go out on a limb here and assume you work at or for bass pro in some sort of way,cause i dont think any normal person would care to much or argue this much over a sunday ad let alone a housebrand reel imo. lmao. also going out on a limb that this thread will be locked in a few,so keep going with the debates b4 its over.lol ;D

J Francho reply :

Specifically say that the rod is a painted Bionic Blade. But it really doesn't matter. I don't use BPS stuff. Also, to stop posting on here, and trying to put a positive spin on the classic BPS' switcheroo deal. You sound like a lawyer, LOL.

Maxximus Redneckus reply :

yall should gittt murrried

Muddy reply :

I learned how to bait cast on Extremes, I also love the Clunn ,Fritts Cranking reels and The Older Extremes, as I haven't used the new one. In the spirit of truthfulness I do recommend these reels to fellas on a budget as they are good products, and will usually pm or post a link, so I know the reel I am recommending is actually the reel that they will be buying.

They just lost me as a customer, I am sure that won't break them

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Thanks Mr.Francho, you put a sensible take on what I am feeling. Daniel, I was hoping Mr. Morris would search out the thread, if he thought it so important. Thanks for the back up 8-)
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So the only other possibility , when I got there for the Rick Clunn combo and they handed me another reel, was that they were mistaken! I would say that was a good possibility. 58 miles each way and 3 hours of my time and they handed me a wrong reel, it was not even Blue like the one I have.My friend Ron was with me, unfortunately he lives in Fla now, but this happened to me.

The other issue in this mess is, the upgraded versions are sometimes not an upgrade but a similar reel also made by whoever makes Pinnacle reels, as the insides are frequently interchangeable with both Pflueger and Pinnacle reels. Cart 7 from here took a few apart and made his own reel by combining the parts. Good guess that they come from a similar source

Adding Ball Bearings is not always an upgrade, depends on the bearings used and where they are put.

There is a strong implication in the Extreme Case that the rods were the regular rods, being offered daily with the Extreme combos, those rods, on that Christmas sale were not the same rods.

BPS turned out to be the best salesmen for Cabelas, I own 4 bait casting outfits all with Cabelas Fish Eagle II rods and Pflueger Trions

They are much closer to me so I can take advantage of free to site shipping and they readily match their Internet sales pricing.

Yes, it is definately possible that you found an employee at Bass Pro who had no clue. That sucks. I really hate when that happens too.

As far as where the reel is made, I can usually tell you where reels are made. That includes all reels. But if I told you, I'd say... "it's the same factory that makes these other reels". If I told you it was made at the Rushan Fudi factory that wouldn't mean anything to most people.

You are correct that adding bearings isn't always much of an upgrade. If they add 2 bearings to the handle knobs, yeah it's going to feel a little different, but it's not really a performance upgrade.

And as I said before, you are correct that the picture in that 2007 ad showed the Extreme rod when it was really a cheaper rod. I was told that all the stores were supposed to have a big sign close to the main entrance that explained that mistake, but it was still a big problem for them.

I have no problem with Cabelas. I buy things from them as well. For fishing I prefer BPS.

rubba bubba reply :

In before the lock!

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In before the lock!

lmao :) ME TOO!!!!!

roadwarrior reply :

Well now...

This thread seems to have reached some level of resolution.

Before others get involved to rehash their "personal experience",

let's end it here. However, if you guys aren't satisfied, send me a

PM and I might reopen this one.

Good night Irene.

-Kent a.k.a. roadwarrior

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