An Accidental Discovery 2024
The Next KVD reply :
So I just got my new Bass Pro Shops Pro Qualifier in this week and today while cleaning a Lew's Tournament Speed Spool I couldn't help but notice the two reels looked very similar. Being the curious guy that I am I went ahead and started swapping out parts between the two and found they are compatible with each other. Looking at the reel schematics, there are a few differences in them, but for the most part they are exactly the same. Both reels are made in Korea which leads me to believe Bass Pro Shops are having their reels (atleast the Pro Qualifiers) built by Lews. Other than a few cosmetics in coloring, badgeing, and a few small differences in parts either through additional parts or another version of a part to do the same job, I don't see a difference.
Maybe I'm wrong as I'm more of a Shimano guy and these are the ONLY two reels that I have that are not Shimano. The only reason I got the Pro Qualifier was because it was on sale, I needed another crankbait reel, and the new Shimano G5's carry in too much line for my liking for a deep crankbait reel. Maybe this is old news and someone already knew this but for me it was a discovery. Which is a good thing because I'm going to order a new handle from Bass Pro Shops to put on the Lews that I have because I HATE THE FLAT HANDLE KNOBS!
Blues19 reply :
That is interesting. Bass Pro does not sell Lew's Reels though, so I think that makes it even more interesting. I was talking to a guy the other day who was just raving about Lews. Interested in possibly looking into the PQ if its made by Lews
BassCats reply :
Lews, Abu, BPS, Pfluegar are all made in same factorys in Korea and now some in China. they are each there own specs and individual brands, but yes most parts are interchangable.
Hooligan reply :
Do a search on the topic. Neither company is in the wholly owned manufacturing business.
Goose52 reply :
As has been said, there are a number of reel "companies", including Lew's, that source their reels from some of the same off-shore OEMs, resulting in the design similarities and parts interchangeability that you noticed.
Regarding the PQ being made by Lews...I was buying the current generation PQ before the "new" Lew's company ever shipped a reel. People seem to forget, or perhaps don't know, that this "Lew's" outfit only started releasing product in late 2010. Check out: Lew's Today
rippin-lips reply :
Aside from being built in the same factory the guy who bought the Lews name used to work for Bass Pro as a designer if I recall correctly. This is the number one reason bps doesn't carry Lews.
Jrob78 reply :
Check this site out, it's one the Korean companies that sells reels to be rebranded. Many of the different reels on the market come from the same place and aren't original designs, or original American designs at least.
http://www.doyofishing.co.kr/goods/theme.php?code=2
0119 reply :
Team DOYO Since 1999! Kinda puts the value of that Revo MGX right into the crapper. Ake Murvall (inventor of the original Abu) and Len Borgtrom must be rolling over in their graves.
On second thought its gotta make you laugh to realize the mighty Ike ditched quality Daiwa for using a reel from a chinese novelty toy company.... Kinda like putting you match grade Purdy down for a Mossberg pump. Or your Springfield .45 for a Glock.
upnorthbassin reply :
On 3/25/2013 at 5:44 PM, 119 said:Team DOYO Since 1999! Kinda puts the value of that Revo MGX right into the crapper. Ake Murvall (inventor of the original Abu) and Len Borgtrom must be rolling over in their graves.
On second thought its gotta make you laugh to realize the mighty Ike ditched quality Daiwa for using a reel from a chinese novelty toy company.... Kinda like putting you match grade Purdy down for a Mossberg pump. Or your Springfield .45 for a Glock.
Guess what? The springfields are all made overseas. SA isn't even the same company as the one from MA. Their XD was designed by Croations and made there and even their top of the line custom 1911s have all the parts built overseas and are just assembled here. All their non-customs are 100% imported. That's how it goes these days.
BassCats reply :
Ike didn't leave Diawa, they fired him. Abu was only company that would pick him up. His antics and poor sportsmanship on air is probably a major contributing factor. Though he is a nice guy and a great instructor.
Grantman83 reply :
Daiwa also cut Denny brauer too who is nothing but class. I feel it was probably more a market decision than one over antics. Very few people are Daiwa Pro Staff compares to other companies. Shimano used to be Like that until they entered into a partnership with BASS. Now everyone seems to be switch to Shimano/loomis
tomustang reply :
That model should have the code name 'AK-47' since there's plenty of different rebadges out there
0119 reply :
Good to know upnorthbassin. Ive been away from guns for a bit.
J Francho reply :
Who cares if the reel is well made and works?
Sam reply :
As J stated above, if the reel functions as promised who cares who made it?
You can always impress people with your equipment's brand but the final results in your catch are what matters.
And I have discovered that the fish really don't care about your tackle. It is your presentation that matters to them.
All this coming from a Shimano and G. Loomis guy!!!
I remember back in the 60s and 70s when Sears had contracts with manufacturers to produce their products with the Sears brand. Anything you wanted had the Sears brand. The Sears basketballs for outdoor play were top of the line. And Sears had tires, too. Plus athletic equipment and supplies, clothing, appliances, TVs, radios...you name it and Sears had it in their name.They even had houses that still stand today back in the 30s and 40s.
The number of manufacturers are reduced from days gone by so companies have to contract with the same manufacturers to produce their products.
Regarding clothes, just send your lables to a clothing manufacturer and they will sew up a mess of your clothing line for you and me and J and Glenn and Road Warrier and Gene and put their individual lables in them. You can sell them for whatever you want under your name.
Nice to know the BPS reels are made with the Lew's profile. BPS needs to upgrade their reels so they don't break as fast as they do.
kadas reply :
X2On 3/25/2013 at 10:29 PM, J Francho said:Who cares if the reel is well made and works?
BobP reply :
5 or 6 years ago, I bought a Shimano JDM spinning reel and found it was manufactured in Malaysia. Just like everything else, reel manufacture has been internationalized. Get over it! There are good reels, great reels, and so-so reels. The quality has no relation to where the parts are made or assembled. As long as the branding company designs the reel and oversees the manufacturing process to insure quality, they seem to be making their customers happy.
upnorthbassin reply :
On 3/25/2013 at 10:29 PM, J Francho said:Who cares if the reel is well made and works?
I agree. Remember a few decades ago when everyone thought if it said "made in japan" on it, it was junk? Just look at what people think of all the japanese tackle these days...they'll pay double for it or more! Chinese manufacturing is not what it was before.....now they basically do what you pay them to do. If you want a bc reel to retail for $25....they can make it happen. If you want one made from the highest quality parts known to man, they can do that for you too. The reason they are known to be cheaper is because companies are generally looking to save money and have them make a product for the lowest possible dollar. You'd have a tough time making a bc reel that retails for $25 in the US. There's less of a reason to outsource when it's a top dollar niche product (well...even VS did it on their reels too so maybe I'm wrong). As long as you get a good product for a good price....in the end that's what matters most as a consumer.
---=Martin=--- reply :
On 3/25/2013 at 5:44 PM, 119 said:Team DOYO Since 1999! Kinda puts the value of that Revo MGX right into the crapper. Ake Murvall (inventor of the original Abu) and Len Borgtrom must be rolling over in their graves.
On second thought its gotta make you laugh to realize the mighty Ike ditched quality Daiwa for using a reel from a chinese novelty toy company.... Kinda like putting you match grade Purdy down for a Mossberg pump. Or your Springfield .45 for a Glock.
Now I take offense to your last statement! Say what you want, Glock 9mm (17 and 19, but 19 especially) is one of the best 9mm pistols ever built. The simplicity and reliability of it can hardly be matched! now, my XD45 is probably the best double stack .45 ever built! and my SA 1911 is just a beauty, but a flaky at times beauty :-)
0119 reply :
To each his own. Thats the point you are making? Who cares where somethings made at? Same point so many have tried to make here for so very long whenever the shimano posse rides into a thread about a different maker.
But to each his own. I prefer to make an effort to not buy chinese made anything. An impossible feat but its my thing. Not that I think made in the U.S.A has ever meant quailty either.
The Rooster reply :
I don't give a fart where it's made as long as it works like "I" want it to (whether it works like it is supposed to or not). I don't let "made in U.S.A.", "made in Japan", or even "made in China" influence me at all. Could completely care less. It also has to be affordable to my budget. I'm just a punk like that, I expect, nay, I demand quality that rivals more expensive reels, for less, and it is out there. I know, because I have found them. I enjoy my Shimanos and will buy more, but they wouldn't be my first choice now, mostly because I like extra features in a reel for less money than what you pay to get that in a Shimano. I believe more bearings do make a difference, and I don't believe that non-Shimano reels that have more bearings just have inferior ones that won't last, or work well while they do. Now, I do believe that Shimano baitcasters can get me just a bit further cast due to their bearings, but we're talking about 80' vs 100' in most cases, and 80' is all anyone even needs, and any baitcaster out there will do that. I'll trade the extra 20' of cast for nice, slick handle bearings to enhance my user experience while fishing. 
Hooligan reply :
The primary difference in most reels, such as in the case you're speaking, is longevity. Most manufacturers reels simply will not last as long as a Shimano or Daiwa because of the way they're engineered. Yes, grades of bearing and components come in to play, but one of the biggest is longevity. I know firsthand, this issue. Having been sponsored by two companies at two different times, I continue to return to reels that I don't have to replace or rebuild on an annual basis. As a point of reference, there are several of my old Cheonarch SF reels Still floating around, and this is after more than ten years o my hard use.
trailer reply :
If I find out where everything is made I'm gonna cry. Ignorance is bliss. I don't want to know where it's made. I just want to know if it works.
0119 reply :
I agree with you Hooligan but dont no longer see that masterful engineering coming from shimano. They are just as lame as all the other manufacturers even the models made in Japan. Its the new business model that imitates what american business college teaches. Planned obsolescence, poor customer service, make your profit and run with it. If shimano, maybe even Daiwa, kept the Japanese business model at heart it would be a different matter entirely.
Fishwhittler reply :
On 3/26/2013 at 6:36 PM, 119 said:I agree with you Hooligan but dont no longer see that masterful engineering coming from shimano. They are just as lame as all the other manufacturers even the models made in Japan. Its the new business model that imitates what american business college teaches. Planned obsolescence, poor customer service, make your profit and run with it. If shimano, maybe even Daiwa, kept the Japanese business model at heart it would be a different matter entirely.
These companies are only responding to the demands of the American fishing market. Both Shimano and Daiwa produce better, more refined reels for the Japanese market than for the market in the US, and there's a reason. The average fisherman in the US wants cheap gear, not necessarily good gear. It has been said that those who prefer JDM tackle are in the minority. Well, so are all of us who are on Bass Resource or any fishing forum! We represent a very small percentage of the market. Look at the gear sold in Walmart. Walmart sells to practically everyone in the US, and they stock what sells. That's why you see all those cheap spincasters and spinning combos, and the $20 baitcasters that fall apart within a month. The fact is that the American market simply has not been able to support high-dollar offerings from tackle companies. That appears to be changing, and perhaps we'll see more change in the marketing strategies as well.
J Francho reply :
You guys need to get out of Wally World, and try a real tackle store. NOTHING's cheap anymore. The gear offered for sale now is LIGHT YEARS ahead in quality and performance of what was around 20 years ago. I remember paying over $100 for a Daiwa low pro baitcaster with 2 bearings. It wasn't even an aluminum frame. Now for just a few bucks more, you can get a reel that will last you years, is made of aluminum, and casts a ton easier than reels from days gone by. You like your old reels, that's cool, I've got a few I really like as well. But today, around $150 gets you a whole lot more quality and performance than years gone by.
The Next KVD reply :
Wow, I really only started this to say if you needed parts you can probably shop around or atleast get through anything that is on backorder or heck even cannabilize a reel bought on ebay.
I really am a Shimano addict and prefer their reels due to the fact that they last forever and parts are available for most of the old popular models. I'm definitely in that small group that prefers quality and only playing around with the lews and pq due to the fact that I'm using them for stuff that I don't get a chance to throw very much. Our fish here up north just don't go very deep for very long so there wasn't much use in spending $120+ for a decent Shimano and especially $199+ for the sophisticated reels in their lineup for a deep crankbait reel.
shootermcbob reply :
On 3/25/2013 at 10:42 PM, Sam said:As J stated above, if the reel functions as promised who cares who made it?
You can always impress people with your equipment's brand but the final results in your catch are what matters.
And I have discovered that the fish really don't care about your tackle. It is your presentation that matters to them.
All this coming from a Shimano and G. Loomis guy!!!
I remember back in the 60s and 70s when Sears had contracts with manufacturers to produce their products with the Sears brand. Anything you wanted had the Sears brand. The Sears basketballs for outdoor play were top of the line. And Sears had tires, too. Plus athletic equipment and supplies, clothing, appliances, TVs, radios...you name it and Sears had it in their name.They even had houses that still stand today back in the 30s and 40s.
The number of manufacturers are reduced from days gone by so companies have to contract with the same manufacturers to produce their products.
Regarding clothes, just send your lables to a clothing manufacturer and they will sew up a mess of your clothing line for you and me and J and Glenn and Road Warrier and Gene and put their individual lables in them. You can sell them for whatever you want under your name.
Nice to know the BPS reels are made with the Lew's profile. BPS needs to upgrade their reels so they don't break as fast as they do.
Yes sir, They sure do. I agree with this As I am typing this reply from the warmth and comfort from my "Sears" house.
0119 reply :
How can you say a shimano reel lasts forever when they do not support long term parts availability? You do not see the number of shimano beastmasters, bantam 100's etc in boats or anglers hands like you do old Ambassadeurs. There is no evidence that shimanos plan of purposeful obsolescence through model change has made a durable product.
J Francho reply :
I see more 20 year old Curado Bs in average fisherman's and actual pro's boats more than I see Abu round reels. It's OK that you like them. I like them too. Nothing more fun than taking an old 2500c and turning into a screamer. They're unique, and cool in the way a Morgan sports car is with it's wooden frame.
Maico1 reply :
On 3/26/2013 at 6:36 PM, 119 said:I agree with you Hooligan but dont no longer see that masterful engineering coming from shimano. They are just as lame as all the other manufacturers even the models made in Japan. Its the new business model that imitates what american business college teaches. Planned obsolescence, poor customer service, make your profit and run with it. If shimano, maybe even Daiwa, kept the Japanese business model at heart it would be a different matter entirely.
Just curious, could you please elaborate more on what is the problem with JDM products.....Thank you.
Hooligan reply :
On 3/27/2013 at 2:37 AM, J Francho said:You guys need to get out of Wally World, and try a real tackle store. NOTHING's cheap anymore. The gear offered for sale now is LIGHT YEARS ahead in quality and performance of what was around 20 years ago. I remember paying over $100 for a Daiwa low pro baitcaster with 2 bearings. It wasn't even an aluminum frame. Now for just a few bucks more, you can get a reel that will last you years, is made of aluminum, and casts a ton easier than reels from days gone by. You like your old reels, that's cool, I've got a few I really like as well. But today, around $150 gets you a whole lot more quality and performance than years gone by.
Ding ding, there's a winner folks!
Shimano and Daiwa both still hold the same business that they always have, possibly better than it has been in the past.
There is zero doubt that the components that both these companies use in their reels are better than what Pure Fishing and others use. It's undeniable because of the grade of the bearings and the quality of component manufacture. Take the out, look at the race, the shields, any of the gearing a polished brass gear is undeniably smoother and stronger than its die cast aluminum counterpart.
Frames that are molded of lesser quality metals are vastly different than their cast and machined counterparts. We've cut many frames apart for inspection and only two companies had zero inclusion or voids in 12 frame cuts per reel on 15 reels. Shimano and Daiwa were the two. The new Revo is supposed to be on par with that, but we've not tested them yet. The gen 1 and gen 2 both tended to have a void on. The off side behind the level wind mount point.
But I digress... In most cases the reels today are built light years ahead of those built just ten years ago.
0119 reply :
What job or career do you have where you cut dozens of frames apart for inspection. Sounds like a govt job like fda meat inspector. Shimano nor Daiwa make there bearings inhouse. Probably sourced from the same Chinese factory Abu Okuma and all the other makers get their bb's. Just as screws c clips and o rings are sourced out.
Jrob78 reply :
On 3/27/2013 at 9:30 PM, J Francho said:I see more 20 year old Curado Bs in average fisherman's and actual pro's boats more than I see Abu round reels. It's OK that you like them. I like them too. Nothing more fun than taking an old 2500c and turning into a screamer. They're unique, and cool in the way a Morgan sports car is with it's wooden frame.
I agree with you. Curado B's are everywhere and still going strong. I can walk in Southwestern Parts right now and buy any part I need for any of the B-E series Shimanos ever made. Turn on an Elite Series or FLW tournament and before it's over, you will see a Bantam Curado on someone's deck or in their hands. They hold their own with the majority of reels made today. Give me a Japanese made Shimano or Daiwa over a Korean made Lew's or Revo every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Capt.Bob reply :
Yep Shimano and Diawa both better wake up, Shimano has already cut corners and cheapend up the Curado and now the Chronarch. They are trying to compete with these companies that outsource the whole reel, and it blew up, they want high dollar and want to sell less quality, it aint working, a year ago the Curado was probably the best selling mid priced low profile baitcaster on the market, today it is probably Lews, if not at the rate Lew's is gaining acceptance it soon will be. Now they have cheapened the Symetry and the Saros, by eliminating the Aluminum frame. But not the price??? I noticed they started this when they changed the oscolation system from the worm feed on the FH Symetre to the cam type on the FI, before that the FH and earlier models were stradics with one less bearing and composite spare spool, and different handle!!
As for the Shimano bearings, when I bought my first Lews TP I bought a set of abec 7 SS bearing to upgrade it. I did this and seen no noticeable improvement. So I then took the stock bearings and put them in my Calcutta, a CT200GTB,same size bearings, that was a noticable improvement, so then I changed them around and put the stock bearings back in the Lews and the Abec 7's in the Calcutta, it was no better than the stock Lew's bearings, the point is Lew's evidently uses a better bearing than the standard "B" Calcutta comes with, and I will take a good abec 5 SS bearing anyday over an ARB, these things may be better for someone who never cleans or lubes there gear or better in salt water, but they aren't as efficient as a good SS bearing. I could go on and on but the point should be clear, every real brand is doing all they can to save pennies to compete in a dog eat dog market, and in the past few years the guy's on hear like DVC, Francho .RM. and others I am sure have noticed this more and more lately when servicing newer models, I have. Most have went to a main manufacturer who can buy cheaper as they build several brands and deal in much bigger volume, so Shimano and Diawa will continue to cut as many corners as they can to keep there cost where they can compete, unfortunately we are not seeing the upgrades in materials and durability we used to with there new models. This is also leveling the playing field and others are bringing better models to the table to compete with them at more reasonable prices. Instead of an upgraded Sahara, Symetre, Saros, Curado, Chronarch, we will probably continue to see less quality without paying less???? Time will tell, I hope they don't start doing this with there top tier products?????
The one last thing that is obvious is they all package them on there own. I just got my new BB1 from Lew's today and discovered something VERY IMPORTANT "to me", when I read the manual and smart brake notice it came with, I could only find the English version!!! I then looked at the writing on the box!!! WOW the only thing that was not printed in English "ONLY", was the warning on the bottom of the box about the use of lead in the product, (obviously because our government legal system requires it to free them from liability). I for one get so peaved at looking thru manuals and turning packages to find the standard language of the country I live in and buy from, that I am pleased to see this and hope that Lew's continues this practice, after all if you buy it here to use here, and can't read English, how do know the laws, the rules, heck how do you expect to communicate in America, where it is our native language!! THANKS LEW'S!!!
Hooligan reply :
Incorrect. Both Shimano and Daiwa use exclusively Japanese made bearings in their reels with very, very few exceptions. In most cases, they grade higher than an average bearing, such as those used in most Pure Fishing reels because the tolerances are too loose. If you also consider the rolling resistance the ball precision, and the smoothness of the ball a d surfaces, they stand head and shoulders above. It isn't a petty argument, it's fact. I can also tell you that, regardless of what you feel, Lews standard bearing in all but their highest grade of reels are nothing approaching the quality of others. They, along with Pure fishing, were denied ISO rating on their bearings because runout was far too great.On 3/28/2013 at 6:55 AM, 119 said:What job or career do you have where you cut dozens of frames apart for inspection. Sounds like a govt job like fda meat inspector. Shimano nor Daiwa make there bearings inhouse. Probably sourced from the same Chinese factory Abu Okuma and all the other makers get their bb's. Just as screws c clips and o rings are sourced out.
Don't get me wrong, it isn't turning into a Shimano v Lews v Daiwa v Pflooger v Okuma. The discussion has turned to components and longevity. I've spoken with goose a number of times, not only about his reel, but others. It's a fair statement to say that his reel is nothing short of extraordinary. Yet, that's due in part to the care it has received as well. Not everyone is going to take care of their gear in the same capacity. I can tell you first hand that when I was sponsored by reel company A, I had nearly triple the reels ordered in one twelve month period as I would have with reel company B. not because the frames broke or bent, not because the AR went bad, or even because the retrieve sucked. In most cases it was simply that the casting accuracy and ability had diminished very rapidly- that's due to bearings more than any other factor. Argue all you'd like but the facts say otherwise.
In response to what I do, I work in R&D/engineering amongst other things that I do for the company I work for. I'm not at liberty to divulge that because I do not represent my company here, only my thoughts and information I have gathered in those processes. In regards to the cast aluminum versus duralumin gear- huge difference between the two. Some companies say duralumin or alloy drive gear and that's fine. But know what it is. Two dissimilar metals can, and will, react with one another. Be it excessive wear or corrosion. It can and does happen. Again, a large difference in the quality of a brass drive gear, and a machined and polished brass drive gear. Not all are created equal. Pure reels that do not use Xcraftic, for instance use a stamped gear. Lews uses a stamped and polished gear on reels above the 200 price point. Shimano uses a machined and polished gear in most casting reels. Daiwa is the same. What difference does it make? A lot in terms of longevity and how smooth that reel is over time. Micro cut gears? Only one company does that. Lastly, voids in a reels frame do cause failure. It causes a weak point and as the tendency to add stress and torque on the frame. In some cases not enough to notice. In others, it has been enough to oblong the spool side bearings.
One last, last, thing. Engineering and design in reels accounts for a tremendous amount. I fail to see how the Curado and Chronarch have been cheapened up, or corners cut. Much as I fail to see that the Zillion has been cheapened, or how the Lexa is a cheap reel. Stuffing more beari vs into a reel does not a better reel make. If that's the case, the Core must be he worst reel on the market. I mean, it's only got five bearings which is as much as the Citica D, so the D must be just as good as the Core, right?
I had more to say, in regards to another post, however will not because I know it would be edited and I shouldn't have said it in the first place. What I will say, however, is that I'm amazed at how short sighted we can be.
Anyhow, long rambling response to try to address some of the things that were directed back at me.
Jrob78 reply :
I've always been under the impression that when a company puts 9, 10, 11 bearings in a $80 - $100 reel, it's for 2 reasons. It's intended to make people think it must be a quality reel. It appeals to the 'higher the bearing count, the better the quality' crowd. The other reason is your tolerances and fit don't have to be as precise if you slap in a bearing at critical areas.
0119 reply :
The last place I would look for a gauge of anything is a "pros" boat. The old greenies were/are an exceptional reel period. See any being used? No I dont but I live in a 3 county area where Im probably one of 3 casting reel users. Yet how long will they be used? SHimano doesnt have parts available so...... what is its future. According to folks much more in the know than me, at AT's site, no bearings used by manufacturers are made in Japan. Even the 'amazing' Boca Bearing is made in China. I was not talking about JDM reels Maico, but reel manufacturers in general. Im not toting the Revo, not at all, Im blaming all manufacturers for what I see as a market full of junk. Cheapened like Capt Bob says, but I claim every reel out there made in recent years is just that, junk, no matter its maker.
J Francho reply :
On 3/28/2013 at 6:55 AM, 119 said:What job or career do you have where you cut dozens of frames apart for inspection. Sounds like a govt job like fda meat inspector. Shimano nor Daiwa make there bearings inhouse. Probably sourced from the same Chinese factory Abu Okuma and all the other makers get their bb's. Just as screws c clips and o rings are sourced out.
I'm not a sponsor here, but I also run a reel repair business.
0119 reply :
Huh? Thats was directed to Hooligan who said he has cut into the frames of so many reels at his workplace, inspecting voids....... Sounds like a fascinating job, I'm curious who would employ someone to do that. Like a govt inspector measuring inches of fat on steak or a govt scientist determining the average number of seeds on the outside of a strawberry it seems like an obscure career. Is Underwriters Laboratories concerned with a safety issue concerning the integrity of fishing reel frames? All meant humorously please take note.
skeletor6 reply :
On 3/28/2013 at 11:04 PM, 119 said:Huh? Thats was directed to Hooligan who said he has cut into the frames of so many reels at his workplace, inspecting voids....... Sounds like a fascinating job, I'm curious who would employ someone to do that. Like a govt inspector measuring inches of fat on steak or a govt scientist determining the average number of seeds on the outside of a strawberry it seems like an obscure career. Is Underwriters Laboratories concerned with a safety issue concerning the integrity of fishing reel frames? All meant humorously please take note.
Hooligan has tested and fished more gear than probably anyone on this site. Not only that, he is harder and extremely demanding on his equipment.He is cutting into frames because he wants to find the most durable, reliable and effective equipment out there. There is a reason why every contribution of his is in great detail and why he knows everything from the manufacturing processes/locations to the integrals of reels from every manufacturer. It may sound crazy to you, but if you depend on your equipment at such a high level, you are going to want to know everything about it and you are going to want to know that it is reliable and consistent across the board.
If Shimano/Daiwa started to cheapen up and downgrade their equipment he would call them out on it and change his gear. It is one thing to fish a few reels and go off of subjective preference, but its another thing to break a large sample of reels down to their components, find the source of manufacture of their components and rigorously test the products to simulate the harshest of environments. Personally, I enjoy the contributions of his and his willingness to share this information to recreational fishermen like me and many others on this site. Search posts of his and you will find solid information across the board. The mockery of his contributions is uncalled for. Members should feel free to share their information and contribute without people making "humorous" jokes about their processes..
0119 reply :
No sense of humor huh? I sense you spend to much time in the federal lab counting seeds. Honestly many have made jokes on this board. So you dont like what i said in fun in my attempt to understand his statment. Thank you for being a moderator in proxy. I think all these shimano vs the world conversations could use with a little humor.
J Francho reply :
QuoteI think all these shimano vs the world conversations could use with a little humor.
Seems more like you against the world, sometimes. See, I have a sense of humor.
No more personal attacks, guys. Thanks!
upnorthbassin reply :
I am curious to see pictures of catastrophic reel failures due to voids, etc. Voids in a very high stress part is obviously a bad thing...I certainly wouldn't want one in the frame of a .500 magnum revolver for instance. But how does that compare to a reel? Since this is the internet and I can go and see pictures of almost every single defect in anything imaginable, there should be at least a few hundred (if not thousands) pics of broken reels due to this too. If I had a $200+ reel snap in half under little stress I'd probably be pretty ticked off.
But seriously...how does this relate to actual use? Where is the patterned failure of parts made with one specific method or material? The proof is in the pudding. I'm not on any "side" here....I own plenty of reels made by Shimano and Pure and others too. I could care less who makes the next reel I buy as long as I like it. I just want to see some actual evidence instead of he said she said.
BassWhole! reply :
BPS, Cabela's, Dick's, Academy, Lews, Abu, Pflueger, Browning, etc...I'll never run out of parts for my old Pinnacles.
Hooligan reply :
Up north- at no point did I say catastrophic failures were caused by voids. Frame voids decrease torsional rigidity and cause components to deteriorate more rapidly, far more rapidly than any of its counterparts.
Oddly, the only two catastrophic failures I've experienced firsthand with a reel have been Shimano reels. One was a Core 100MgFV that I broke the frame on, left side directly in front of the spool housing post and the level wind tie in; and a Curado 200E7 that I broke the foot in two length wise, and the fire portion of the foot cracked in two. The metal in that case had a very granular structure that was very unlike anything I'd ever seen prior, or have seen since.
J Francho reply :
I'll show you a catastrophic failure when I get home tonight. And it's not a cheap reel.
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