screw Gary Y. 2024

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

I'm starting my own personal boycott.

Gary yamamoto baits are as greedy as the company I work for (UPS). Beelieve me, that's saying quite a bit.

I could understand setting a minimum price when you have a product that is deadly, new, and when it's the only one made. However, now that other bait companies have produced senko look-alikes, I think it would be nice to see their prices come back to earth. Even if it was just 50 cents a bag, a show of good intent.

Now we have yum dingers, tiki sticks, etc etc etc and they work just fine. In the last 2 weeks we did a small experiment. My partner used gary y exclusively and I used yum exclusively. He is by far a better fisherman than myself but I still outfished him by 4 fish (close one) and 2 lunkers (over 3 lbs).

The fact that I won doesn't mean that I think dingers are better than senkos but to me it illustrates that they perform every bit as well.

Some guys will have an opinion that when one works, the other doesn't and vise versa. Sorry, I'm not a believer. If both people are throwing the ssame color, I believe it comes down to where the cast lands. I track every fish, weather trait, bait, etc on an excel spreadsheet and I am about 9% better than I was last year and I have not bought 1 bag of yam. baits.

Sorry, but I think it's rude to charge $7 for a bait that does no better than one that costs $3.50. The problem is that anglers keep paying it!!! Gary must be sitting back chuckling allllll the way to the bank with YOUR money!

I'm all about the companies that appreciate their customer base. In my opinion, Yamamoto baits is not one of them.

I'll be fishing just fine without his product

ok guys, lemme have it!

texasbass1 reply :

Good for you. But it is called Capitalism. that and Freedom of Speech are what make this country the greatest Nation on the planet. 8)

George Welcome reply :

So, you have made a decision. That's great, but do you now expect a following?

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

Don't expect anything from anyone. Don't know why you would think that. If people want to pay twice as much for the same results,...like it says,...it's a free country.

I'm not criticizing people who swear by Gary, just my opinion. I will have the same opinion if someone paid $40,000 for a Mazda Navajo when they could buy a ford explorer (same car) for 10k less. Mazda , however, doesn't charge twice as much as ford because everyone knows it's the same car. Now that there are baits that perform equally, I think Gary should show some support for his customer base and not rape the people who support him so steadfastly.

JUST_ONE_MORE_CAST reply :

I don't buy GY's either, because they are so expensive and at the rate soft plastics wear out/get thrown in the drink by big fish, I just can't afford it and would feel like a real idiot paying double for something I can get at wal-mart and catch fish all day. I don't get paid one single dime to fish. But as far as I am concerned he can charge 150$ a bag. I just ain't buying 'em.

KU_Bassmaster. reply :

Amen, Low_Budget_Hookers

I have done a similar experiment with similar results.

roadwarrior reply :

Well, I guess I'm willing to pay a little more for innovation. I discovered the Senko at an outdoor show in 1998 and it really kickstarted my renewed interest in bass fishing. I started catching more and bigger bass, it's that simple. I don't fish 5" Senkos anymore because I think they catch too many small bass. Now, that may sound silly, but I'm a recreational fisherman and I target big bass only. The 6" Senko has moved my bass fishing to another level.

I mentioned innovation. Does any other lure company make a Fat Ika knockoff? Maybe the general fishing community hasn't really discovered this lure and that's fine with me, maybe I should quit bringing it up. This one lure has produced more 5+ lb bass for me in the last two years than all other lures combined over all the years I have been fishing.

Largemouth bass fishing is kinda secondary to me, most of the largemouth I catch are caught on ponds. I primarily fish for smallmouth and this time of year, stripers. As a result I probably only go through a bag or two of Yamamoto products a month. So lets say that's around $14 per month, probably less. Since that's not all I throw, I can't attribute all my fish to GYCB, but most of my 5+ largemouth bass can be. The baits are worth every bit of their cost to me.

Steve_IA reply :

Roadwarrior, You've caught my curiosity about the Fat Ika. Did you fish a traditional tube bait before trying the Ika? If so, how do you fish the Ika differently than the tube? Other than the Ika being solid and a tube hollow, what makes the Ika different than a tube?

JUST_ONE_MORE_CAST reply :

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Other than the Ika being solid and a tube hollow, what makes the Ika different than a tube?

Belief and confidence....nothing more.

roadwarrior reply :

Although the profile apperars the same as a tube, the fall is totally different. I have fished it with the skirt up (the "correct" way) and with the skirt down with comparable success. I fish it weightless on a Gamakatsu 3/0 EWG.

With the skirt at the top (eyelet of the hook), the lure falls away from you. I would decribe the rate of decent as medium, you'll get a better perspective if you work it a little in a swimming pool, although I never seem to catch anything in mine.

Another interesting aspect of the lure is it's aerodynamics. You can cast this thing a mile, even against the wind. It's incredible!

I fish it just like a Senko: Let is fall to the bottom and sit for awhile. I then move it 6-12" with a horizontal sweep, not a verticle hop, just lifting it off the bottom. After you move the Fat Ika, let it fall on slack line and repeat until you feel you are out of the zone. I get most of my bites on the movement after the lure has sat on the bottom, not on the fall, but that's not always the case.

p.s. I caught a 25 lb flathead and a 8 or 9 lb bass on the Fourth of July on a Mizmo tube, black with red flakes, on back to back casts. The bass took the bait while it was lying on the bottom. Now, that doesn't have anything to do with the Fat Ika, but I can assure you, they are a totally different lure even though they may look alike. (See the post "Surprise!" in the Outing section)

John Cullum reply :

I don't agree with you Low Budget about thier company being greedy,I believe the correct word would be SMART. Why lower their price when they don't have too. But don't you think that if YUM could get $6 a bag they would also? The ONLY reason you are buy them is because they are cheaper. I believe that a majority of the fisherman that purchase the YUM Digger is basing their purchase on the fact they work like a Senko and they are cheaper per pack not because they work better.

That being said if YUM Digger and the Senko were exactly the same price you wouldn't see many people purchasing the YUM product over Garys bait. Don't fool yourself into believeing YUM is doing you a favor buy giving you a "deal" if they could get $6,7 a bag you bet your arse they would.

The Senko is one if the biggest if not the biggest "NEW" bait stroy we've had the last 20 years. This bait literally took the fishing world by strom. No other bait has caused this kind of talk and results.

These companies make baits to make MONEY not to give you a "deal". It wouldn't be a very smart business disicion to cut your prices for no reason. If YUM could get $6 a bag they would, but few can, and Garys Senko is one of them.

If there were more guys like you Low Budget that made a stand and said enough is enough maybe Gary would lower his price a bit, but there is 100 to your one that will/would be willing to pay $6 a bag and I'm one of them.

earthworm77 reply :

Low Budget, I've been echoing your sentiments for several years, especially because I pour my own baits that I know are just as effective if not moreso than the Senko. However, you must understand this, GY targets the tournament angler as his consumer base, therefore, these anglers will likely pay much more for a bag of baits that they know work well and are essentially 1 fish/1bait. The strategy is smart and it works. I make the same type of bait for 4.00 a bag. I am making a good profit on them and the fact that many people refuse to pay 5.99 or 6.99 for Senkos helps me out. If you knew what GY pays to make a bag of baits and the turnaround profit on them, you'd really think he was greedy. Some said this is capitalism and they are 100% correct. So stay the course on your boycot and stand true to your beliefs. I haven't purchased a bag ofSenko's since 1999. It helps to have several friends on the gY staff who regularly replenish me but I don't use the bait all that much anyway.

Jeff_NHBA reply :

I'm pleased from the fact that I can catch fish on Senko look-alikes like Case Magic Sticks, Yum Dingers and Tiki Worms without paying the GY Senko price.

I think it is more important to use my brain to figure out what the fish are doing, establish a pattern and present whatever bait accordingly.

I don't blame GY for charging more. If people are willing pay, why not? But I'm glad the rest of the Marketplace has caught up with the Senko-type lure to provide us with an alternative (at a lower price, I might add.)

playmaker47 reply :

I dont buy senkos because they just cost to much. i wont buy soft plastics that cost more than 4 or 5 dollars a bag and i try not to buy crankbaits/topwater that cost more than 4 or 5 dollars. im only 15 and im not made of money so thats why i dont spend alot, but i still catch fish and i still catch quality fish.

Nick_Barr reply :

I mainly use Clearwater custom tackle wacky stix which are $3-4 a pop, I only buy yamamoto's when they are on sale.

BassnG3 reply :

I too was fed up with paying $5 a bag for senkos so I started making my own. Like earthworm said I can tailor them to my needs to maximize the effectiveness. If fishing shallow I can make them with less salt to slow the fall rate or more so they fall like a true senko and I add alot of scent to mine. They are an inovative lure and for some reason the fish like them and I usually have one tied on every tourney I fish.

Scott

Boo reply :

Hey GY Senkos are great but I'm not willing to pay for it! But this is America and if there is demand for a high dollar GY Senko, there's nothing wrong with him supplying it. Capitalism, the American way. :)I'll just keep throwing my $2.99 per bag Tikki Stiks. ;D

digdug reply :

This may sound a bit odd, but everyone is right.

If gary y want to sale his lures at $7, that's his right, but we don't have to buy. Now there are sometimes and conditions here if you don't have the exact lure profile, your not going to catch fish.

Hamlet reply :

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The problem is that anglers keep paying it!!! Gary must be sitting back chuckling allllll the way to the bank with YOUR money!

I'm all about the companies that appreciate their customer base. In my opinion, Yamamoto baits is not one of them. I'll be fishing just fine without his product

I agree. The problem is always with the people who are willing to pay for outrageously priced items. Some of you guys keep talking about capitalism and capitalism is also about choice. If the price of Gary Y. lures do not come down then more and more people will choose dingers and tiki sticks,..at least I hope they will have the sense to do that because they are the same lure. In other words, Gary Y. can "capitalize" on these worms right now but the longer he waits to drop the price, the more people he will lose to competitors. Its all about being a smart consumer.

Shad_Master reply :

"because they are the same lure" - I'm not sure you can say they are the same lure. GY started a revoloution when he came up with this simple design that catches fish. Lots of people tried to imitate this lure and some did, but some didn't. There is more to a lure than the overall shape. When GY's son decided to start his own lure brand, Kinami's, his dad gave him the mold, but not the formula. There is a guy in this part of the country that manufactures a Senko "knock off" that works great and was used to catch the Kansas Small Mouth record a couple of years back. They sell for a lot less, and catch fish like crazy, but they ain't Senkos. What you have to consider is, do the fish know the difference? If they do, they may bite one bait when they won't bite another. Last year I fished with a guy using Kinami's in red shad while I used Trick Sticks in the same color. He caught fish and I didn't. Was it the bait?

GY is carrying all that money to the bank 'cause he has a product that people want. If they stop wanting it, you can bet your bottom $ that he will find another way to get that money, if he can.

BAMA_BASS reply :

I agree I have learned that cheaper lures can work just as good as expensive ones. But the quality is usually a little better IMO with the more high dollar lures.

Brad_Coovert reply :

Let me get this straight. You have found a bait you feel is equal to the Senko, costs less and you are using that bait and catching fish. So, why do you even care about how much a Senko costs? ???

BTW - Gary does not charge "twice as much" - the others all charge half as much as Gary. On a level $ for $ dollar playing field, Senkos would outsell all the copies combined. Still, at $6 a bag, they are #1.

Gary has been selling plastics for $6 a bag for over a decade. It's really no big deal. His DT Hulas are still the best seller in skirted grubs. He still sells tons of worms, craws and lizards and there is no innovation with those baits. His Kuttails do well as does the Kreature. GYCB has a reputation for top quality products and top quality service and that is why they will always be a good seller, even at $6 a bag.

Either use 'em or not. It's really not an issue.

Brad

BAMA_BASS reply :

Your basically paying for the NAME.

earthworm77 reply :

Senkos would outsell all the copies combined. Still, at $6 a bag, they are #1.

I have to disagree. Do you realize how many copies there are? As far as being the best, it is all a matter of what works for you.

downeaster reply :

Right on Brother

John Cullum reply :

Earthworm your probadly right about eveyone else combined out selling the Senko. But I would think as far as a "Senko" type bait would go they probadly out sell any of the competitors on a one on one comparison still, regardless of price.

Earthworm you seem to know alot more than me about customizing baits and such so I was wondering if you happen to know how many bags of Senkos (just GYCB) they sell per year.

Brad_Coovert reply :

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Senkos would outsell all the copies combined. Still, at $6 a bag, they are #1.
I have to disagree. Do you realize how many copies there are? As far as being the best, it is all a matter of what works for you.

Yes, I know how many copies there are. I've fished almost every one of them. There are only a few that are big national sellers though while others are just regional.

I still feel, that given the choice between a Senko and another bait, all things being equal at the same exact price, most fisherman will take the Senko over the copies. If Bombers were $15 and Lucky Crafts $15, I believe the LC's would win also. If the Lightning Rod was $200 and a Loomis GL3 $200, the Loomis will win out also. Just like the number of licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop, the world will never know.

As for #1, I am implying sales. I doubt that any one brand is outselling the Senko on a nationwide basis.

It's also #1 for me though. ;D

Brad

abelfisher reply :

It is called Capitlaism. If GY needed to drop his price he would. Obvioulsy, he does not need to. To make some analagies. Think of the Dinger as the GM product in the mid size sedan market. Think of GY as the Toyota or Honda of the Mid sized Sedan market.

If one is perceived to be of higher quality than it is in the eyes of the consumer. Perception is reality. Until that perception is changed, GY will be able to keep higher prices than his competitors. Also, Earthworm brought up a good point regarding target market. That has a lot to do with it as well.

The_Natural reply :

I use yum dingers, tiki sticks and senkos. Yum dingers and tiki sticks have a different fall rate than senkos, and sometimes the fish prefer one over the other, but not one all the time. GY sells a premium bait, and I feel you get what you pay for. I guess I'm glad his aren't the only ones that work, but utilizing all that are available to you to find the one that works on a given day will make you a better fisherman.

JPBiGFISH reply :

aye If Gary Y. was $6 a bag and so was yum Dingers I would still buy yum dingers... for one they got good sent i think and i dotn ahve to get my parents to take me 100 miles to get a pack... around here i usually only see them, at bass pro shops and buck and bass.. but well buck and bass closed so now its either 25 miles to walmart or 100 to bass pro. yea.. that would end up costing 30 $ jsut for the gas... gas guzlin dodge.... anyways

Edit: actually i dont think ive seen yum dingers either.. i tthink it was wave worms tiki stick or whatever. oh and some of them new superstrech whatever them are.

Hamlet reply :

Its amazing how quickly you guys regurgitate this "well thats just capitalism" attitude. I think most people understand what capitalism is but that doesn't mean that you can't gripe about something being overpriced. I would like to buy a new Ford GT, but thy're priced about the same as a NASA space shuttle and that occasionaly makes me say "screw Ford",.. or porsche or whoever.

I guess I will have to continue playing Gran Turismo on my ps2 for my dream car fix.

kcaminitti reply :

Here's my .02, If Mr. Yamamoto wants to continue to sell his baits at 6$ a bag, he will lose a large part of his share of the market. With so many cheaper knock-offs on the market, he will eventually have to lowe the price.

Here's the scenario, im 13 years old looking to buy a bait, and I have read dad's old bassmasters magazines and know all about the senko and the craze that has followed them. Mom's taking me to Gander Mountain to buy some knew fishin stuff. Being on an allowance, I am limited in my funds, say, twenty dollars a week. I'm looking at the senkos and I've got one picked out, now, out of the corner of my eye, I see these plastic baits that look just like the senkos i have in my hand. I quickly throw the senkos down and grab a bag of yum-dingers and a nice new rapala for a dollar more than a bag of senkos. Im feeling like the bargain shopper my father is!

Back at the old fishin spot, I'm catchin fish left and right with this yum-dinger. I deplete my resources and with next weeks allowance I decide to go back and buy some more bait. What do you think i'm going to buy? Yum-dingers. Now say I don't catch anything on this bait that looks like a senko, will i buy the senkos this time? Not a chance.

Now, im all grown up and have a job and I can actually afford senkos, but these yum-dingers have worked well all of my younger years. Will I buy the senkod? Probably not.

Now, the moral of my story is,,if he wants to appeal to the younger anglers, he had better offer a better price tag, or else the younger angler will most likely buy the cheapest equivelant.

This is an unbiased observation, as I really dont use either one. I have tried them both with limited success and prefer not to use them at all.

Just my .02,,,agree or disagree. Nice post, by the way Low Budget. I can see the boards parting like the red sea

MyKeyBe reply :

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Now, the moral of my story is,,if he wants to appeal to the younger anglers, he had better offer a better price tag, or else the younger angler will most likely buy the cheapest equivelant.

That may not be true. When was the last time you bought a pair of Tommy Hilfiger jeans and how many pair do you own? Ask that question to your local high school kids. I'll bet more than a few of those kids have way more than you. It's a status symbol. "I have designer jeans, 24 inch platinum rims, 12,000 watts of amplifiers, all in mom's Caddy". "My $h!t cost more than yours, that makes me betta and kooler (Fo shizzle my nizzle )" The kids may buy it just because it cost's more.

And now...For the rest of the story.

Screw GY! I don't buy em either. I do have some flashes that I bought on clearance for a buck. Poor Herb Reed is going broke because of GY. When was the last time you fished a Sluggo?

I work for a living and fish for fun. I can't afford and am not willing to pay "designer" prices. I'll buy dingers and tiki's and have fun hooking bass all day long.

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

priorities,....he's buyin hilfigers to get the chick (priority 1 )

with that said, he just dropped $65 on 1 pair of jeans so he can't afford GY senkos for his fishin (priority 2) and ends up buyin yum dingers.

My point is,..will he catch less???

Doubt it.

Rattlinrogue reply :

I don't have a thing against Gary Y.He invented the lure so he can charge what he wants.I use Tiki-stiks because they are more affordable.

George Welcome reply :

Rediculous need to validate:

If you use one bait or the other why do you feel the need to validate your usage. It would seem to me that if, as you claim, your bait choice is so good, then why would you care what the Senko costs.

Do you do this with everything you purchase? Obviously, you must think that in reality the Senko will outperform what you are using or you wouldn't be trying to compare them and prove to everyone how you are right in your decision.

I cannot imagine that anyone would think less of a fellow fisherman based on the bait they are using, or the amount of money that they spend on fishing tackle.

Let's go fishing!

earthworm77 reply :

We should be able to find that out....I'll try.

JPBiGFISH reply :

wish i got allowance even a dollor a week...

fishingaddict reply :

yeah at the place i get my lures yamamotos are 8 bucks and other senkos are like 4 so im stayin away from gary y

Muddpuppy reply :

I don't think Yamamato is the whole problem, after reading some of the prices on here I started looking through some of empty packs that I toss in a box when I take out the baits, incase I decide to reuse them later. I am seeing prices like $4.99, $5.18 and $5.35 and those are recent purchases in flakes and laminates. Those were bought either at an authorized dealer or at a GYCB Pro Shop. I payed $3.47 at Wal Mart yesterday for some 4" lams Yum dingers.

Nick.Culver reply :

I use tiki sticks, Senkos, and Yum Dingers. I use Yamamoto because I like a few of their colors and the rate of fall for certain applications. Then i use the Yum Dinger at other times. I use certain colors in yum because I like them more. Then Tiki Sticks I use in certain situations. They are for when I feel i need a really slow fall. For me it's all about color and the rate of fall. I've had a senko tied up on one rod and Yum Dinger on another and caught them on the Yum Dinger the first day of the trip and the they hit the senko on the second day of the trip. Low_Budget_Hooker if your comparing baits that's good. I do it all the time. I know some people like saving money and so do I. I also know that I can save money using Yum but it could also take that little key element out of my bass fishing arsenal. Then I also like to give my money to the guy who originally came up with the idea and the bait. It just like the sweet beaver I know I could save by buying knock offs but to me that's all they are knock offs. Once again my own personl opinion not any one else's. Just one last statement I fish as many tourneys as I can so I pay attention to the subtle differences such as shades of colors and the sparkels and the rate of fall. I believe the rate of fall is the key among most baits. especially in the stickworm catagory. I believe it's all about the rate of fall and not the wiggle or action

Larry_Landgren reply :

I have used Yamamoto baits since they first came out. I have won alot of money using them and caught alot of Bigbass here in Arizona on them. I have tried others wannabe baits and they just don't work as well as Yamamoto baits do.

When it comes to tourny fishing only a yamamoto bait will be on my hook.

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

Acstech, no need to validate anything. I would never put down anyone for using or not using one bait or the other either. Just stating my opinion, didn't mean to offend anyone other than Gary because frankly, I wouldn't have started this post if he hadn't offended me with his prices first.

FishingObsession reply :

what i think is if you dont wanna pay the money, just dont buy it. it's as simple as that. why complain about tv shows and radio if you can just change the dial.

BigbassBecker reply :

WHOA!!!!!!! GY invented the Senko. He tested it, perfected it, and marketed it. Then He set his price. All the companies and individuals that copied and sell the copies are a bunch of theifs!!!!. They took the easy route and copied an already proven and established bait. They do not have the time and money invested in the senko like Gary does. They couldnt come up with thier own idea so the copied somebody elses. I dont care If he never pattented it it still doesnt make it wright! I will only buy originals. How would you guys like it if you spent years designing perfecting testing and marketing an idea only to have it knocked off by somebody who sells it cheaper. So what if GY is getting rich. he deserves it! Suport inovation not thieves

dodgeguy reply :

so by that reasoning whoever made the first crankbaits should be the only one making them.whoever made the first ribbon tail worm should be the only one making them.and we would only have 1 lipless crankbait.it just doesn't work that way.

senko_77 reply :

lowe budget, i tottaly agree. i just recently baught a bag of assalt lures salt stix, and they are a little bulkier that senkos, cost bout 3.50 a bag, come with 10, and last twice as long. on my first cast with these babies i got a 2lb. largemouth, and i followed suitly catching 14 on the same worm, never had to replace it. gy makes money on price, reputation, and lack of durability. i think that walmarts edge worms work better anyway, and they are 20 for 2 bucks!!!! stop buying yamato, except for the kreature bait which is the best thing to come to bass fishing. ;D

Brad_Coovert reply :

Nick_Culver, you're on the right track. Lures are just tools to do a job and nothing more. I buy baits to do certain things. If there is only one bait that will do it and it's $15, so be it.

I fish the Senkos, Tiki Sticks, Salt Stix, NetBait Sticks and Schuberts, either for certain colors on certain waters or for different fall rates.

As for patents on baits, having a patent does little to protect your design from being copied. All another company has to do is change the shape, size, weight or length and they can get around the patent. The only patent I have seen stick was Larew's patent on the salt impregnation process and it took a lot of court time to force companies to pay a license fee. I used to see that license listed on bait bags, but I have not looked in a while.

Brad

D.Taylor reply :

With Patents I was told you cannot patent anything that is to look like a living creature. If he could patent the bait he has to patent different areas of the bait. In doing so he can eliminate the copying because if the alter this and that the action will not be the same.

Now for the topic at hand. Boycot all you want. If fishermen all boycotted over-priced equiptment we would all be using cane poles fishing out of 1932 Jon boats and using ors. Everything is way over priced.

How much is a bag of YUM baits???? I hope you all realize YUM are the old Riverside brand baits with different packaging. I think they were 1.99 a bag when they were popluar. So with YUM you are technically overpaying for a name.

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

Nick_Culver, you're on the right track. Lures are just tools to do a job and nothing more. I buy baits to do certain things. If there is only one bait that will do it and it's $15, so be it.[

SO are you saying that at certain times, and certain situation, water clarity, fish location, etc that you would only have the level of confidence you are comfortable with if the bait was a yamamoto? If that's the case then I guess I can understand but for the 99.4 % of the rest of the season, when any senko will do, do you still pay $6 for 10? I'm not trying to be a punk or a wize-azz, I just don't get the logic.

Brad_Coovert reply :

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...If that's the case then I guess I can understand but for the 99.4 % of the rest of the season, when any senko will do.....

I will disagree with your statistics above. I have had many times that bait X outproduced bait Y in a given situation even though they were both similar baits and both perfectly suited for the fishing at hand. Why is that? No one will ever know. I try to go beyond just finding a pattern. I want to find the patterns within a pattern that turn a good day into a great day and a good tournament into a great tournament. Sometimes those smaller patterns are all about the fish, other times they are the bait or tackle. Being able to make the change was well worth any money spent on the baits.

Like I said before, I fish with several brands of soft sticks and they all have their place in my boat. The same goes for crankbaits, topwaters, spinnerbaits, etc. I won't let a few $ get in between me and a good bait. It's not about the money, it's about the fish. I have 100% confidence in everything I use. Confidence is one of your best allies. Lack of it is one of your worst enemies.

LBH, I do not need to justify my use of GYCB Senkos just because you have a personal gripe with Gary and there are cheaper brands out there. Inventory all your reels, line, rods, baits, boat and engine. There are cheaper brands out there for all of them. The question is, will they work and perform equally as well for you? In reality, price is seldom the real reason we select the stuff we fish with.

Brad

mike90 reply :

brad- i agree with you, it seems people are willing to spend thousands of extra $$ to catch more fish but won't spend the extra $2 for bait.

i am 15 and i fish senko;s and senko knock off's. i always seem to catch more fish with the senko's and thats why i use them. however if i caught more fish on yum dingers or other knock off's that are cheaper then senko's it would be stupid to continue buying senko's

a lot of people on here said they never tried senko's because they could get the same thing for $2 less. well i think it would be well worth it to at least try them once and see if you like them better.

gary has the right to charge more he was the first to make them and i think most of his baits outfish knock off's, or the knock off's would soon catch on and charge more IMO

see you out on the water

5bass reply :

I buy all the different types and keep them all handy....if I run out of one,I replace it with the same.There are times like Brad said that X bait will outfish Y bait and that is very true.It happens all the time.I do think the Yamamoto baits are overpriced but I'm a tight-azz so my opinion on their price doesnt really count.

It comes down to the confidence thing once again.If you can catch plenty of fish on Dingers,buy Dingers.Same with Tiki's,Kinami's,etc.....I like the Yamamoto baits because of the soft texture and I think that is what makes the big difference AFTER the initial bite.I hardly ever have a fish spit out or just bite the tail on any Yamamoto bait I throw.I really believe that the soft texture of the Yam baits sets them apart from the rest.Not crazy about the price but I still buy them on a regular basis.

earthworm77 reply :

So then does that mean GY is a thief for copying Nick Creme's plastic worm??? Each guy who copied that bait did it with one...well two things in mind, make money and make it better. Some did, some didn't all made money. Don't player hate!

Nick.Culver reply :

Okay theirs been atleat two or three other people who have said that they support originality and you say it to me. I in a way find that rather offensive. I haven't come out and attacked anyone or anything. I just said it was all my opinion and no one elses. Yes, I do believe in originality. Every little detail in a biat that is different counts as not being the same. But, the original creme worm is the original and it's true he copied. I never stuck up for GYCB and the high prices only that they work under curtain circumstances and conditions. That's what I wrote and I'll stick behind it. I pay alot of attention to the fall rate and who makes it. During the summer when it seems they like the bait falling more and to sit in their face I tend to sway towards the Tiki Stick and the Yum Dinger. I do use other peoples bait. Just like I use Sweet Beavers and since they can't keep up I've looked else where for the same bait. But when my favorite tackle shop has them in stock I'm sure as Hell am down their buying reaction innovations baits over the next because they spend all their time and money working on perfecting this bait. Plus I use them so much that i know exactly what color and what colors I like to use. Also I use about 8 different companies baits when it comes to finnesse words. As in other posts I've written I've said that I belong to no one unless they show absolute loyalty to me and then I'll show the same if not more. That also depends on the circumstances.

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

nick, I hope it wasn't me that offended you. I have enjoyed your posts and are one of the few who's opinion really made me think a bit. I think we both just stated our opinions which aren't the same but that's a forum, right? I may not agree or disagree with you but your opinion is always welcome and respected in my eyes.

Nick.Culver reply :

No don't worry it wasn't you.

heresdustin reply :

Who cares! Why does it matter who's buying what bait, at what price! They all catch fish people! You guys are concentrating on all the wrong aspects. WE ARE BASS FISHERMAN!!!!! We are all going to fish a little differently than the next guy! I don't know about you guys, but the only thing I really care about is keeping those poles bent, and those lines tight! Can I get an AMEN!!!!!

Max-in-Mn reply :

Amen brother, well said!

heresdustin reply :

Thanks Max.

STUMP_CATCHER reply :

Thats what I'm saying also.If you don't like it ,then don't buy it.Personally I have never used that type of worm by him or anybody else.I mean 6 or 7 dollars for a pack of worms.I spend 10.00 bucks a pop on yo-zuri baits .I think they are high just like everything else,but I buy em cause I like em.I bought 2 daiwa certate's finnese spinning reels 2 weeks ago.They are really high,but I wanted em.Price bass boats.I mean a lot of em cost more than my house did.My gosh look at the price of cars and trucks,25 and up.As long as people keep buying they gonna keeping making em.I can't see spending 15 bucks a pop on LUCKY CRAFT BAITS ,but if people want to , go for it.More power to ya.I know what would happen with me if I bought one.I would use line the size of well rope,to make sure it didn't break. ;D

heresdustin reply :

Right on, Stump!

SENKOSAM reply :

I think what we're talking about here is quality vs. price. This will always be a confidence thing and based on personal bias. People buy Lexus and Mercedes. Are they better riding, more comfortable, better on gas and more reliable than a lower priced luxury counterpart like the Maxima? The same goes for any 50k plus vehicle vs. a comparable vehicle at 30k. It's simply based on a personal prejudice that one is best overall and worth the price. That's how certain companies can easily stay in business versus their economy counterparts - they sell less for more and continue to hold market share.

This thread has been started on many bass forums and the consensus is always the same - buy them if you believe they always have an edge over all copies or buy copies if 98% of the time you find them to be just as good, based on you're experience and confidence level.

If given free Senkos and free copies, I would probably fish Senkos 50% of the time, but only because I hate to change baits after every 5th cast or after one or two fish. I use Assalt sticks (which are the same price as Tikis) and find them to be as good as Senkos 100 % of the time.

The same goes for my own handpours because I've gotten the salt:softness ratio down to a science. If I want a bait with more softness and wiggle, I use more softener, but expect the durability to be less. At a nichel per bait, I don't care if I lose 100/day versus $.80 or more/bait when you count tax and/or shipping and transportation.

It breaks my heart to see 80 cents quickly sink to the bottom of the lake because a pickerel or small bass jerked the bait off the line. Let's see .... the price of five Senkos, lost in 10 minutes, equals the price of a good crankbait or spinnerbait, which are good for 30 fish. I'm no math major, but the numbers speak for themselves.

So, as far as me buying Senkos ever again, I'll stick with the economy models that give me more satisfaction per bait due to the fact that my imparted action makes the best copies work as well and I don't have to take the time to change baits as often.

As far as rewarding the inventor or innovator - BUNK! As long as Gary and Randy (RI) haven't applied for patents, royalties are the only thing they should be missing out on, not lost business due to legal competition. Everything else should be based on price and demand.

Gary didn't invent the plastic worm, soft jerk stick, creature bait, hula grub, curl tail grub or salt impregnated plastic. He built on those concepts and came up with variations, variations that have made him a millionare.

I thank all of the observant and creative individuals who have contibuted to my fishing pleasure and have indirectly paid them for their products, but my loyalty only goes so far.

Jeff_NHBA reply :

I conducted my own totally non-scientific testing of the fall rates of some different stick baits. I used a 5" Senko, 5" Yum Dinger, 5" Tiki Stick, and 5.5" Case Magic worm. The baits listed are in the order from fastest descent to slowest. I filled up a bucket with cold water, and placed each bait right on the water's surface them let 'em go. I did this test because after reading some of the posts on this subject I got curious. Maybe the different fall rates affect bass differently at different times. Sometimes the fish might want a slow descent, other time not so slow. At least I know what the differences are and can change bait accordingly. I'll find out this weekend what the fish have to "say" on this subject.

Enjoy the fishing regardless of what lure you use.

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

thanks shellback

ps-u a turtle fan? I got an easter box that has free reign of my house. funny his name is "dinger"

Flashpoint reply :

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thanks shellback
ps-u a turtle fan? I got an easter box that has free reign of my house. funny his name is "dinger"

He's either a turtle fan or a sailor who's crossed the equator

playmaker47 reply :

i personally think that if some people want to spend 8 bucks on plastic worms then they can. its their money. i personally will spend my money on the best over-all value. sometimes that means the cheapest sometimes that means the most expensive. i get what i need at the lowest possible price, and usually i will spend 2 to 4 dollars on plastic baits. and you know what i catch fish. im not a tourney fisher yet because im only 15, so i dont need to have the perfect bait for the perfect scenario. i can see how you guys who fish tourneys would need everything that you could get to catch bass and hey thats great. but for me im just going to stick to fishing for fun, at least until i start fishing tournys.

Chris reply :

Well, I guess the first thing I will note is we all have options. Some love to use senko's some yum dingers whatever floats your boat. To be honest for me I catch more fish on a senko. The last tournament I fished I went through 3 bags of them. I guess I could have used something else but why change when its working. People can grip all they want for the price of a lure and you have the option to buy something other than Gary's products. The fact is if the bass are on a senko I don't care what you throw they are not going to hit it like a senko. Other days you can make the same case for another style of stick worm. $6 or $7 for something that could help me win a tournament isn't much considering I loose more money than that in the hard baits I loose. Every year someone comes out with something new that works. Then everyone pitches a fit about the price (me included). Then you start fishing against someone who just took you entry fee to the bank because you where to proud to get the lure he was using. You can only do that so long before you break down and buy it. Then when you have a working relationship with the lure you begin to understand why it works. In shallow water I would say 3 ft or less it don't matter what style you use. When you get out in the deeper water the fall rate of a senko makes all the difference. It takes less time to hit the bottom. This means that you can fish faster and cover an area. In a tournament time is money and the faster you can fish a spot thoroughly the more water you can cover. This bait will help you do that. The other baits on the market will do the same thing but you got to slow down way down to fish it. In 12 ft of water I don't have time to wait.

roadwarrior reply :

Wow Chris, that really sums it up. Although I am not a tournament fisherman, I still want to have the best advantage whenever I have the time to fish. I try to fish locally two or three times a week, after work and Saturday on the river. Every moment is precious to me.

I fish other lures and other techniques, but soft plastics are undoubtedly my strong suit. I occasionally use other brands of specific lures, Gitzits come to mind. However, on the whole, GYBC makes the baits I know I can count on. They are worth every penny to me.

Jeff_NHBA reply :

Yup. Crossed the equator at 55 degrees east longitude while in the Navy. We had just finished an operation to get UN troops to Somalia and were headed for Austrailia. As proof of completion of passing into the sacred realm of Neptunus Rex, the Sailors and Marines aboard my ship, USS TARAWA LHA 1, received a laminated card and diploma sized certificate. I can remeber as if it were yesterday a young Marine looking at the document and wondering out loud why they only listed the longitude of the crossing... ;D

I explained it to the young lad. Marines are a good lot. Wouldn't want to fight alongside anyone else.

texasbass1 reply :

Voicing that it is capitalizm isn't denying that something is over priced. It is just a fact of life, prices will stay up as long as people are willing to pay the price. Once the demand drops so do prices, just look at gas (going up daily). One thing that a lot of you guys may not know is that GY isn't just a capitalist he also recognizes the greatness of America. In April there was a welcome home tournament held in Texas for the returning troops to Ft Hood, Gary donated Senko's to be given out to each participant. There were well over 1000 people fished that day and along with that he had the Air Cav emblem put on the package. While it may seem like a little thing as a veteran it meant a lot to seem that kind of support for our military members.

JMHO

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

texasbass-you have just changed my opinion of Gary single-handedly

Support the troops that risk themselves for me and my family, and I will join your parade. Way to go Gary.

Chris reply :

I'll tell you what there is a kids bass club out where I live that Gary sends 3 boxes of free baits to. You can dog him if you want but to be honest he is not a bad guy and more giving than you know.

playmaker47 reply :

i dont think that he is a bad guy at all. in fact he seems like a very generous, kind guy. i just think that he overcharges for his stuff. hes not the only one either. the worst job of overcharging is lucky craft. there prices are just outragous. i wouldnt spend 20 dollars on a lure in my life. IMO Rapalas and Bombers and Strike Kings will work just as good, and they only cost 4 or 5 dollars.

roadwarrior reply :

Well, if you are just trying to get from point A to point B, a Chevy will do just as well as a Lexus. For $25,000 you can get a very well equiped Chevy or for something north of $65,000 you can own the Lexus 400. Where is the value?

Is it safety, design, engineering, innovation, craftmanship or performance? Maybe it's materials and constuction or maybe its dependability and service. I don't know, I don't own a Lexus.

I like GYBC poducts and Lucky Craft lures. I don't know exactly where the line is drawn and value is defined, but it seems to me that I'm getting my money's worth from both companies.

Brad_Coovert reply :

My club puts on several youth events each year. Gary sent my club a huge box of Hula Grubs for our fishing outing with the Brooke's Place Kids and our Casting Kids event at the boat show last year. Almost $1000.00 worth of baits to just one club.

We had a lot of jealous dad's at the boat show when we gave their kids several bags of Yammies to take home! ;D

Brad

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

I bet, that's awesome. Any idea how I could get involved in somthing like that around here?

Brad_Coovert reply :

LBH. For starters, I would contact your state's BASS Federation and get in touch with their youth director. He should be able to point you to some groups that you could get involved with.

Brad

Big-Bass1055 reply :

I agree, your lucky to get 10 casts out of some of his Grubs, they just fall apart.

bass master reply :

Over Priced Performance

NYCBassDaddy reply :

I totally agree with your thoughts. I think he is being a little greedy when it comes to his prices. Even his sons kanami bait flash worms are expensive $ 4.00 for 7 and they fall apart after 2 cast. Your even lucky to get three cast outta them. :-/

heresdustin reply :

Oh boy, what a fun topic! Why spend all this time whining and complaining about something that is more expensive than the other baits? Boo-Freaking-Hoo! Get off of it! If you want to spend the money to buy 'em, buy 'em! If you don't wanna buy 'em, then don't! Come on people.... let's think of something a little more constructive to talk about than the price of a bait. This is a Bass Fishing Forum...... it's not a site for complainers. Let's get realistic, folks.

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

Dustin- this is your 4th reply in this post. :-/ Not slamming you but it's a bit hypocritical that the main person saying to drop this post is the same person re-newing it.

You've made your point, but everyone here has an opinion and they are entitled to it.

bass109 reply :

garys senko bait is a jerkbait, which jerkbaits dont last very long at all and are kind of expensive. About $5.58 where i live. The point is that they dont last long and are kind of a waste of money. THey really do work but are gone in no time.

John Cullum reply :

LBH, I agree with you that the price of some baits hard/soft are out of control but sometimes that are better quality and will catch more fish.

What is your stand on higher price/quality rods? I see you have made a few posts about Airrus Rods which are a higher quality rod than most. I'm not sure how you can justify spending $100-200 on a rod when a Berkely Lighting Rod would do the same trick. I'm not trying to pry at you it just doesn't make sense to me.

I know you may feel that a higher priced rods have alot to offer that the lower priced/quality rods don't and I agree. But usually the guys that refuse to pay a few hundered bucks on a rod are the same ones that aren't willing to pay $6 on a bag of soft plastics.

By no means am I tryin to get under your skin I have no reason too. I'm just curious on why one thing and not the other. I know guys that swear by Berkleys Lighting Rods and would tell you they are as good as any rod on the market, "a rods a rods they'd tell ya".

nwgabassmaster reply :

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because they are the same lure.

All of you guys can choose not to pay the money for the Senko, and while I am bringing in the tournament winning weight, you will be wondering what exactly happened, when you are using those "cheaper" versions. YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

The Senko and it's knock-offs ARE NOT the same lure. Gary Yamamoto and his team of designers and lure creators created a lure that is unique, has it's own potent formula, with salt amounts different from other lures, etc. There IS NOT another lure that is the Senko.

So, I will pay what I have to pay to use Gary's products, because it is my choice, and I don't care if they go up to $20 a bag. As I said in another post, when it comes to placing in the money, there is not a cost that is too great, especially when it comes to lures.

If they are ripping on you, use glue to stick the head of the worm to the hook, and also be willing to modify the lure. I have used Senkos for 3 years now, and the funny thing about their lure, that honestly differs from any other lure is that you can cut the head off of it, and it WILL NOT effect the "dance" of the lure. With others, you can't do that. Most others don't even have an action similiar to GYCB's Senko.

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

Dude, $20/ bag, god bless ya! I outfished my partner this morning, 20 to 11. I used dingers.

Know what he used? Let's just say,...too much money is what he used.

See ya at the scales ;D

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

Sorry, really didn't mean that to sound snotty. Not my intention, it's getting a bit comical though how dedicated some people can be. The name brand is like a crutch or a life vest for some anglers, I swear.

IN SHORT

Whatever you use, I hope you have success and by success I mean, no matter how much you paid for whatever you are using, use it well, use it often and wear a big smile.

Gatorbassman reply :

You can design the best fish catching lure in the world but it won't make you any money if it doesn't catch fishermen first.

5bass reply :

I am a regular senko user.The last time I fished,the bass were suspended up under the deeper docks in the shade.I threw about 4 different colors of Yamamoto senkos and the fish would start to get a look and then the bait would fall too fast right past them and I was getting no strikes.

I then put on a X brand senko,same color as the Yamamoto's and began to catch fish.The rate of fall on the X brand I switched to was a good bit slower than the original senkos and that was the key to catching those fish that were suspended.My partner only had original senkos and he never caught a fish.I gave him one of the brand X baits and he started to catch them too.

Sometimes the senkos will outfish all others.....key word being "sometimes".

Buy what you want,the fish will tell you whether they like it or not.It's good to have other options available.

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

John_Cullem-

I've never "skimped" on anything I purchase but what I look for is "value". Bang for the buck. I have a boston whaler because you cannot sink it. It costs twice as much as any other 15 ft boat but the quality and craftsmanship are a great value to me because I won't be spending money down the road to repair badly executed workmanship. Now If there was another boatmaker that gaurenteed these facts as strongly as whaler and had a cust service support base like whaler, I would certainly buy it instead. Yamamoto does not offer a $4 advantage to me over another bait. Granted, some knock-offs suk, too stiff, etc but the one I use is YUm's dinger and I outfish or at least hold my own when up against a yamamoto freak like my main partner is.

This is a fact. I outfished him 20 to 11 this morning w/ dingers. If it were the other way around, on a consistent basis, I would probably spend the money for them, no doubt. It's not a money thing, it's a value thing. I'm not saying he doesnt beat me using GY's now and again, but theres certainly no major trend there. Either way for that matter.

Not cheap, never was, just an educated consumer looking for the most value for my dollar

John Cullum reply :

I wasn't impling you were cheap or that you "skimped" out on purchases for a lesser quality product.

The name Low Budget (hookers) didn't mean cheap no money anglers in my eyes so please don't take my question as me calling you cheap.

I was just confussed a bit on how you were able to justify spending so much for a rod and not for a bag of Yamamotos.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

I think I better sign off, I keep coming off like a jerk tonight. Sorry to all.

Ondeck32 reply :

Well I do think Gary has a good bait but you would think all the money he charges for them he could afford better bags, if you hold them in your hands to long the paint rubs off the bags and gets all over your hands(very cheap)!

guest reply :

This thread has gotten a little out of control, and before anyone else gets offended, maybe the new guy (that'd be me) can shed some light on the subject:

I don't think anyone is calling anyone else "cheap" here. Like a lot of other hobbies/sports where there is equipment to purchase the debate rages on about what contributes to the person's level of success. Is it the person or the gear? I guarantee that if you give someone who has never been fishing before a $500 rod/reel and give them another $500 to go out and pick whatever bait they want...they aren't going to catch many fish. Put that person up against someone who has been fishing for 20 years, but who has a $25 rod/reel and a small tacklebox and we all know who will catch more fish. My wife can outfish me just about any day of the week. I'm constantly buying new stuff trying to keep up with her, but it just never seems to happen. She uses $.97 generic bait most of the time. She's been fishing since she was old enough to walk, while I just started a few weeks ago.

There are so many variables when it comes to this stuff, it's hard to talk about it. But what it really boils down to is value. One guy may spend a huge amount of money on his boat, but not have very high quality gear. He values something different from someone who bank fishes yet owns 15 G. Loomis rods for every occassion. Guys like my uncle are kind of in between, yet spend more money on taking trips to various places. Part of the attraction to the sport for him is going to Canada, Virginia, or wherever.

I'd never heard of Yamamoto or Senkos before checking out this website. In my mind, paying that kind of money for plastic worms is too much. However, if I did purchase some and they produced good results, their value would go up and I'd be able to justify the purchase. People who swear by the bait they catch fish with don't really care how much it costs. But, as we all know, what works for me doesn't always mean it will work for you...and vice versa.

I did buy some Kinami worms the other day, and have mixed feelings about them so far. I haven't used them enough to really cast judgement yet. I knew going in (from reading this forum) that they weren't going to be very durable, which is my only real complaint so far. If these work well for me, I would most likely buy some Senkos and try those as well. However, if it's one thing my wife has taught me over the years, it's this: Sometimes, "generic" is better. More often than not, it's the same stuff in different packaging.

nwgabassmaster reply :

Yet, the Senko is not like anything else on the market. It has it's own formula, and that is why it is such a great lure to use.

Derek is Gary's son, and Derek is the owner of Kinami Lures. The Kinami Lure's "senko" type bait is nothing like the Senko. Not even close.

First off, the durability of the plastic is from the amount of salt that is in the products. The more salt that is in a particular lure, the less durable the lure becomes. Unless you add stabilizer, but that's a whole different story altogether.

The Senkos are worth every penny that Gary charges for them, and it's for the simple fact that you can not top the original lure, and you can not defeat a lure that is constantly changing to meet the angler's needs.

There are ways to make the lures more durable. If you are using them on a wacky rig, use a rubber band that is tight to the lure, and hook the band, not the lure. The same can be said about the wire split rings......hook under it, and not the lure.

As for the T-rigging approach, althought there is not a sure-fire way, other than glue, to keep the head of the lure in place, I have found that my Senkos hold up well when I fish them on a T-rig (c-rig also).

I am not knocking the other companies and their versions of a stickbait, but my choice is Yamamoto for the Senko, as well as the Fat Baby Craws.

Max-in-Mn reply :

ooops, double post...dang 420 club...

Max-in-Mn reply :

L-B-H, Since when is saying your opinions "being a jerk" . Nothing any of you have said is jerky, it's just how you all feel. I too, am a value hunter, if I can get the same results and save a few bucks than more power to me heh! But, ya know, I will say this thread reminds me of those Energizer bunny commercials....it just keep's going....and going...lol, nah, I kid, I kid :-X

senko_77 reply :

russ, i know your going to hate me for this, but since i fished with u im a huge dinger fan now. but when i went to cabelas in p.a. i met gary yamamoto in person. i had to buy some bags of senkos and get him to autograph them to give them to my friend. sorry man. but i hate gycb, cuz i tear them off with a cast, not even before it hits the water is it off, and i feel that dingers catch more fish. just my opinion

guest reply :

Help an old guy out here, just don't quite understand.

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I'm starting my own personal boycott.
Gary yamamoto baits are as greedy as the company I work for (UPS). Beelieve me, that's saying quite a bit.

Then when Brad Coovert mentions that Yamamoto gave away a lot of free baits

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Any idea how I could get involved in somthing like that around here?

It escapes me why a guy will come on a board with the sole purpose to bad-mouth a product that he says he won't even use. I won't buy your product, but i'll take all the free ones you can pass out.

cgs2004 reply :

I guess I'll pick my side as well:

Due to the fact that I catch just as many fish on an imitation senko as I do the real thing, my wallet told me to do the sensible thing and go with the imitation.

That's all, don't think for 1 sec I'm going to write out a long explanation as to why I feel the way I do, I'm afraid I'd get eaten in this topic, its harsh in here!!

Gatorbassman reply :

I love controversy but this one is getting very old.

LBH, Just think what would have happened if your subject title had been "Down with Ford Trucks"

Max-in-Mn reply :

L-B-H is a big boy, he can handle his own. But in his defense, I believe he was more interested in getting involved with the kids. I don't think it has anything to do with getting free baits. Maybe I am wrong but L-B-H is one heck of a human being and he constantly goes out of his way to help others so I just can't bear it to see him get bad mouthed :-[

But guys, please don't make Glenn close this thread, keep it friendly!

Gatorbassman reply :

I 2nd that.

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

whittler- we are talking about which ones we would spend our own money on.

Also, my "sole purpose" is not to bad mouth anyones product,ever. Simply asking why those of you that insist on using this particular brand, which costs much more than the one that produces just as well. I got my answer. Many feel that they have different fall rates and that this makes a difference worth paying more money for. I don't necessarily believe in this but it explains why some might be willing to pay more. Just for the record however, so you get a better idea of who I am and what I'm about, I don't badmouth people, brands or places. Not my style,sorry if this particular post has you confused as to my intentions.

sidenote-if a company wants to give baits to handicapped and underpriveledged kids, I don't care who they are or what they charge the general public, their help would be appreciated equally with any other company that wants to help enrich these kids lives.

max-in-mn & fluke--I appreciate your replies

guest reply :

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screw Gary Y.

When a thread is started with the heading, screw Gart Y. or any other product how can it be taken any other way but a knock of someones product.

Sorry to step on anyones toes, but I have never heard of anybody forced to buy his baits. If you don't like them , simple solution, don't buy them.

FlyRod reply :

S'about time to delete this entire thread. It's providing little or nothing by way of intellectual stimulation or useful information.

Besides, my monitor is running low on ink! ;D

F.Rod

Low_Budget_Hooker reply :

the name refers to his pricing strategies, not his product. Let's just drop this already.

Glenn- sorry if things got outta hand here.

nwgabassmaster reply :

Of course there would be a reason to make imitations. The price does not matter, when it comes to making a knock-off.

Take a look at the Pop-R. I consider it a very reasonably priced lure, that catches fish, and lasts for a long, long time. However, Lucky Craft has made their own version of these lures, Matuzo (?) has made their own version, etc.

The whole thing that got the Senko craze going was that it was the new bait on the block that was catching fish. If it catches fish, there will be at least another 15 companies that make it.

Glenn reply :

Closing this thread, as just about everything that can be said has been said.

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screw Gary Y. 2024

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