Do You Think Anyone Will Ever Catch ' The ' Bass,you Know The 24Lb Monster 2024
Stlbob reply :
I dont.It was caught in a time before we could apply the pressure that we can now to the natural habitat of Big Un's..
It just isnt out there.Now do i think some genetic hybrid with growth hormones or the result of a breeding program,maybe.But it will always have a little star next to it.Kind of like the baseball hero's of today
doping themselves up..
Thats too bad,but i think that will be a record our grand children will still be talking about.
Scott F reply :
There is no question that there will be more huge bass caught, probably in Japan where a bass that tied the US record was caught just a couple of years ago.
Topwaterspook reply :
I respectfully disagree. I do believe that the new world record swims somewhere. My guess would be either California, Japan or possibly Africa. There are folks who fish exclusively for these giants. I think the law of averages will finally catch up with the record.
Smokinal reply :
She's already been caught. Her name was Dottie. Outside the mouth or not she was the largest bass the planet has ever seen. RIP Dottie... 
geo g reply :
Yes I do believe a bigger one will be caught. Way back when, if you caught a fish you killed it. With catch and release big fish are being put back daily to be caught again. As for the California big fish, they are being feed stocked trout every year and the bass love them. This certainly leads to the super growth, in California's catch and release lakes. I have no idea what going on in Japan, but there are some monster bass. I'm sure a new worlds record is sitting around just waiting for something with a hook to swim bye.
Stlbob reply :
tell me about Dottie..
The bass in Japan and africa they arent LM like we have here are they..? the werent indiginous to that country. Someone transplanted them,right..? As far as that goes again its not in its natural envirorment again not apples to apples.
Jar11591 reply :
On 2/10/2014 at 7:50 AM, Smokinal said:She's already been caught. Her name was Dottie. Outside the mouth or not she was the largest bass the planet has ever seen. RIP Dottie...
Dottie was an incredible bass. I'd rather see it go naturally than in someone's kitchen. Can't stand that.
Stlbob reply :
okay so someone tell me about Dottie.....
Catt reply :
On 2/10/2014 at 8:34 AM, Stlbob said:tell me about Dottie..
The bass in Japan and africa they arent LM like we have here are they..? the werent indiginous to that country. Someone transplanted them,right..? As far as that goes again its not in its natural envirorment again not apples to apples.
Cali bass are transplanted! 
Most bass in every state are transplanted Florida Bass.
Google Dottie record bass on youtube.
Jar11591 reply :
On 2/10/2014 at 8:43 AM, Stlbob said:okay so someone tell me about Dottie.....
Dottie was a 18-20 lb bass that was caught several times and people thought it would eventually become a record. But it washed up dead on the beach one day. It had a dot on its face which is why it was called "Dottie"
RB 77 reply :
Dottie was a legendary bass that weighed over 25lbs. at her largest. She was caught several times by different anglers at various different weights out of lake Dixon in San Diego, California. She had a trademark birth mark on her jaw line, a small black dot, hence her name. This is how she was identified being caught several different times. Her multiple catches account for a handful of the top 25 biggest largemouth catches of all time. At the time she was caught when she would have shattered the world record, she was foul hooked and disqualified for the world record. She was found floating by and angler and was identified as the same legendary fish. RIP Dottie.
AK-Jax86 reply :
There is always bigger out there man alway! They are that way for a reason hence why they are rare. These fish in Cali and Japan are huge I've seen a few. I'm sure there is some untapped natural lake/pond that the world record bass is swimming around in and it's just a matter of time before it is caught, I just hope it is released to be caught another day!
MarksHooked reply :
cool video all about Dottie. I first heard about her here on BR
Alonerankin2 reply :
Yes I believe it will come from California where they force feed Florida strain largemouth with rainbow trout
It will happen.....
shimmy reply :
There is absolutely no way we have caught the biggest swimming bass in the world. That should be obvious. The record will be broke several times. I think the world record will settle around 28-30 pounds one day. Like others have said, several fish have been caught close to the world record mark and many bass have been sighted by big time bass chasers that are supposedly that big as well. We like to reverence records and give it the awe feel where it seems larger than life, but as history and Dottie has pointed out, there are bigger bass out there. Just which country is going to catch it first.
SirSnookalot reply :
I wouldn't rule out the possibility it's already been caught. It is not inconceivable that before people carried cameras or scales and before the internet age that a huge bass of that stature was caught and became dinner. I do believe somewhere that fish is swimming around. I also believe that many great fish caught of all species are never recorded or certified, accidental catches happen all the time.
Bass Menace reply :
On 2/10/2014 at 8:34 AM, Stlbob said:tell me about Dottie..
The bass in Japan and africa they arent LM like we have here are they..? the werent indiginous to that country. Someone transplanted them,right..? As far as that goes again its not in its natural envirorment again not apples to apples.
Bass are not native to Africa and have been introduced into many lakes, reservoirs and water courses all over Southern Africa. Both Northern and Florida strain bass have been stocked for many years. Small mouth in certain areas. Monster fish have been caught in South Africa, Botswana, Zimbabwe and Mozambique.
John G reply :
I was talking about Dottie with a Game Warden with FWC this weekend at The Florida State Fair and we both agreed that 'no trout fed, sight fished LMB from California' should ever be recognized as a World Record'!
Rangerphil reply :
Let's not forget about Texas! Also what about Mexico?
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 2/10/2014 at 8:43 AM, Stlbob said:okay so someone tell me about Dottie.....
Dottie..all 25lbs 1oz of her, and the "dot" on the underside of her right gill plate that helped make her famous.
On 2/10/2014 at 7:57 PM, Rangerphil said:Let's not forget about Texas! Also what about Mexico?
The record will be broken, but it won't come from Texas and probably not Mexico either. The water temperatures in both those places get too high, causing lots of stress on the fish during summer months. Mexican lakes are also too heavily harvested by local fishermen and netters for a bass to live long enough to get that big. I'd love someone to prove me wrong, but all my chips are on California or Japan, with a majority of them being on Japan.
Teal reply :
I don't know if it will happen but I hope to live long enough to see a day when somebody puts a 28+ or a 30+ lb bass in the boat. I don't know if they can get that big in their lifetimes' but I would love to see an American break the record on an American fisherie.
Dottie was an incredible fish.
boostr reply :
Yes, I do belive it will be caught...In NJ...By me 
....Thats the rumor I'm starting. 
boostr reply :
On 2/10/2014 at 9:38 PM, Bluebasser86 said:Dottie..all 25lbs 1oz of her, and the "dot" on the underside of her right gill plate that helped make her famous.
The record will be broken, but it won't come from Texas and probably not Mexico either. The water temperatures in both those places get too high, causing lots of stress on the fish during summer months. Mexican lakes are also too heavily harvested by local fishermen and netters for a bass to live long enough to get that big. I'd love someone to prove me wrong, but all my chips are on California or Japan, with a majority of them being on Japan.
SWEET JESUS! 
That's what I call a BBBW (Big Beautiful Bass Woman). 
Smokinal reply :
On 2/10/2014 at 10:04 PM, boostr said:SWEET JESUS!
Yup, that's Dottie. I agree that the record is still swimming and it's swimming in California. She was 25-1 when Jed caught her and when they found her floating I think they reported her at 19 maybe.?
If you haven't already, you should Google her story. It's a good read. I think they said they offered another boat $1000 cash to let them fish her but they turned it down. The chances that this was the largest bass on the planet is slim to none imho.
Mainebass1984 reply :
I think the next world record will come from Japan, South Africa or in a place where they have yet to introduce Largemouth Bass. If I had to bet on just one it would be Japan.
Stlbob reply :
shoudnt count,hand feed,exported,etc,etc..A LM caught in its native unaltered enviroment should be the only way it gets in the book.Just the way it was caught in 32'..
flyfisher reply :
Not many places have largemouth as a native fish...i believe that it was originally only native to a small part of eastern NA. And by hand feed they do not mean they are physicall had feeding, it means they are supplementing the forage bass by adding in trout.
cnpusbp reply :
Yes of course. But anymore there is so much manipulation by mankind in everything natural that controversy is likely to be heavily involved. Look at the genetic controls used on whitetail deer now with high fence ranches, controlled hunting to manage for preservation of better genetics, paying for the size of deer killed, selling valuable semen from big bucks. I know there are lots of genetic studying of bass going on - particularly in Texas with secret lakes and lunkershare programs to try to propagate larger fish. I'm not saying any of this stuff is necessarily right or wrong - but there will be a time when a bigger bass is caught - probably a genetically gifted fish with an un-natural natural environment (a lake full of rainbow trout for example). Records are made to be broken LOL.
Stlbob reply :
i may have phrased it wrong but the result is the same. A food source introduced into an eco system....a man made food source..
Stlbob reply :
i also dont use cheat codes on games,or cheat on my tax's,help little ol' ladies across the street,etc,etc.....lol...i am a dudley do-right...
boostr reply :
On 2/10/2014 at 11:57 PM, Stlbob said:shoudnt count,hand feed,exported,etc,etc..A LM caught in its native unaltered enviroment should be the only way it gets in the book.Just the way it was caught in 32'..
Yeah we don't need any Bonds, Rodriguez bass swimming around. 
1234567 reply :
Kurita has already stated hes seen bigger bass in Biwa than his world record catch.
Dwight Hottle reply :
On 2/10/2014 at 7:21 AM, Stlbob said:I dont.It was caught in a time before we could apply the pressure that we can now to the natural habitat of Big Un's..
It just isnt out there.Now do i think some genetic hybrid with growth hormones or the result of a breeding program,maybe.But it will always have a little star next to it.Kind of like the baseball hero's of today
doping themselves up..
Thats too bad,but i think that will be a record our grand children will still be talking about.
To the OP I do think it will be broken. Regarding the validity of the future catch it is up to the record keepers to verify it and that would be IGFA. They do not discriminate between genetic hybrids and natural fish or unnatural food sources. They do exercise a pretty rigorous protocol for the establishment of a new record.
flyfisher reply :
So really the only way a bass should be the record is if it is one of hte original native fisheries so all of texas, california and i beleive florida are out and if additional forage is introduced that doesn't count either so pretty much every fishery is out then too...
Now if it is some dude growing a big fish in a 150 acre pond in an attempt to get a record then that i have a problem with but since the majority of lakes did not naturally have bass and bass were added in to be part of a healthy fishery i don't have a proiblem with that at all.
Just because you can grow a big fish, doesn't mean you can catch her too....
WRB reply :
There are more myths about world record size largemouth bass than facts.
Myth starts with the Perry 22 lb 3 oz LMB, not enough facts to support this bass was authentic.
Dottie was never weighed officially at 25.1 lbs and released before authenicated.
The Kurita 22 lb 5 oz LMB is the official authenicated world record and this bass goes down as a tie with the Perry LMB.
The facts are a world record LMB is a Florida strain transplanted to a ecosystem with cool deep structure that has high protein base prey source. The cool water (70f) allows the FLMB to live longer outside of their natural range.
A world record size bass doesn't get that size as a adult bass unless the food source and sanctuary areas allow fast growth as a juvenile size bass. Giant bass need a head start to continue to grow, gain weight and sanctuary areas to survive. All giant bass have one thing in common; they are pure FLMB strain from Florida's cool water areas like Cypress Gardens. The reason this is important the genetics of this FLMB allow this strain to live longer; 15 years in lieu of 10 years is a big advantage. The original California and Japanese transplant came form this region of Florida.
Yes there could be another giant LMB swimming somewhere, both California and Japan are potential places.
Africa, Cuba and Mexico could also produce giants over 20 lbs., time will tell.
Tom
geo g reply :
In nature the system is for organisms to continue to get stronger, bigger, faster, and smarter. Its natural selection, and the top dog, horse, lion, bear and tiger are the ones that breed. The fish that makes it up the river, over the rapids, past the bears are the ones too breed. So the stong survive. The weak get filter out of the gene pool by competition, and / or mother nature. The Bigger, stronger, faster, live on and father the next generation and the cycle just continues. There will be bigger bass in the future unless man screws it up!
jhoffman reply :
I think too there will be a fundemental shift in harvesting of game fish in the next ten to twenty years. This younger generation isnt worried about feeding their family, theyre in it to catch big ol pigs. As this generation ages and the eat em up generation dies, you will see bigger bass as an average. It too will happen in the woods as the majority gives up hunting to seek other activities with instant gratification.
flyfisher reply :
On 2/11/2014 at 2:25 AM, jhoffman said:I think too there will be a fundemental shift in harvesting of game fish in the next ten to twenty years. This younger generation isnt worried about feeding their family, theyre in it to catch big ol pigs. As this generation ages and the eat em up generation dies, you will see bigger bass as an average. It too will happen in the woods as the majority gives up hunting to seek other activities with instant gratification.
You could also say the flip is true as it can lead to undeharvesting. I know a few of the trophy lakes around managed by slot limits encourage you to take your limit of under the slot sized bass to furhter enhance the possibility of larger fish growing and allow the natural forage to be comsumed by larger rather than small bass.
I am convinced that there are a lot more larger fish out there than people think but unless they are caught, or shockedu p there is no way to know. I do know here in VA there was a report that two state record beating fish were shocked up in the past few years so they are out there 
now it is just figuring out how to catch them
A-Jay reply :
Yes, I think that a record bass will be caught - when, who knows.
But it's not like we're talking about aliens or Big Foot here. This is something that statistically speaking, is reasonably conceivable, at least to me. There are just way too many vast & fertile impoundments on this planet not to have a few fish in them that push the boundaries of the record.
As the world and the global climate changes, so will the size of the fish. Might not be for the better initially, but as time goes on, sooner or later someone, some where, will set the hook and land the fish that we all secretly dream about.
A-Jay
Wayne P. reply :
In the 1970's, bass in the 30# class were caught by commercial fishermen on Lake Jojoa, in Honduras.
That resulted in a lot trips there to fish for them. No angler ever caught one larger than the world record though.
Look it up.
Catt reply :
If we take out all the Florida & Northern bass that has been transplanted most of y'all wouldn't be fishing.
Texas Share-A-Lunker does nothing but hatch the eggs from 13# plus bass, return the female to the waters it was caught, & stock the fingerlings in various lakes.
Personally I think Japan will break the recotd again real soon.
coryn h. fishowl reply :
On 2/10/2014 at 7:21 AM, Stlbob said:I dont.It was caught in a time before we could apply the pressure that we can now to the natural habitat of Big Un's..
It just isnt out there.Now do i think some genetic hybrid with growth hormones or the result of a breeding program,maybe.But it will always have a little star next to it.Kind of like the baseball hero's of today
doping themselves up..
Thats too bad,but i think that will be a record our grand children will still be talking about.
Well, the new record was just caught in Japan, a country with waaay more fishing pressure than here in the states. So even in a country where some people are doing nothing but finesse fishing from the banks and paying $200 for swimbaits it's possible.
WRB reply :
The last 20+ lb LMB caught in CA was March 2006, comming up on 8 years.
The last 20+ lb LMB caught world wide was July 2008, nearly 6 years ago, Kurita WR.
The spawning season in Japan is approx July, the spawn in CA is approx March.
Every 20+ lb LMB officially weighed was caught during late pre spawn or spawn, when they are at the max weight. The one exception being the Perry bass reported to be caught in June 1932 from a southern Georgia small shallow oxbow lake....at least 3 months after the spawn for that region.
Pure FLMB were introduced in Japan during mid 90's and Kurita's WR bass was from that stock, those bass are dead now (15+ 1995= 2010) and their offspring must carry on the gene pool. I don't know if Biwa lake had Northern LMB population before the FLMB were stocked? There is a good possibility that Japan has more giants, I don't believe CA has any more giants over 20 lbs at this time, hope I am wrong!
Tom
Catt reply :
On 2/11/2014 at 11:27 AM, Brazos Kayak said:The sharelunker program this year produced a 6 year old ,12.5 pound bass .Good growth .At lake Naconiche,they tracked the genetics somehow.
Dude do your research!
The 12.54 Lake Naconiche record is the offspring of ShareLunker #370, which spawned at the TFFC in Athens Tx. The bass was 8 yrs old when caught in April 2013
ShareLunker does not accept bass under 13 pounds!
WRB reply :
The Texas state record is 18.12 lbs caught Jan 1992 from Lake Fork.
Texas has an excellent bass management program and bass fishing state wide.
Lake Fork hold the majority of giant bass caught in Texas, 8 of the top 10.
This thread is focused on 24 lb LMB, that bar is set higher than may be possible, 20 lber's are extremely rare bass.
Tom
Buckboy reply :
i think that at some point someone will but i think that the fish will have the hormones and such
Catt reply :
On 2/10/2014 at 4:12 PM, SirSnookalot said:I wouldn't rule out the possibility it's already been caught. It is not inconceivable that before people carried cameras or scales and before the internet age that a huge bass of that stature was caught and became dinner. I do believe somewhere that fish is swimming around. I also believe that many great fish caught of all species are never recorded or certified, accidental catches happen all the time.
I know guys who fish Texas waters that have caught 18-19 lb bass but you will never hear any offical, they are hunting the elusive 20 lb mark.
What was intersting about the Lake Naconiche record was not just her mother who was ShareLunker #370 from Falcon.
Its father has even deeper roots in the ShareLunker program.
Its mother was ShareLunker #305 from Fork
Grandmother was ShareLunker #184 from Fork
Greatgrandmother ShareLunker #9 from Gibbons Creek
RoLo reply :
On 2/11/2014 at 1:31 AM, WRB said:<snippet>
All giant bass have one thing in common; they are pure FLMB strain from Florida's cool water areas like Cypress Gardens. The reason this is important the genetics of this FLMB allow this strain to live longer; 15 years in lieu of 10 years is a big advantage.
That is true, but I'd like to expound a little on "Cypress Gardens".
Cypress Gardens was the name of a theme park that hosted water shows on Lake Eloise (I live 20 min away).
Now defunct Cypress Gardens was replaced by another theme park called "Legoland" (3 in the world).
In 1959, Lake Eloise was the site of the first Florida-strain bass transplanted in California.
The Florida 'documented' record bass is a 20 lb 2 oz bass that was 31" long with a 27" girth.
Then in 1973, Dave Zimmerlee caught a 14-year old Lake Eloise transplant from Lake Miramar, California
that weighed 20 lb 15 oz, besting the Florida record by 13 oz.
Roger
roadwarrior reply :
Hmm...
For some reason I can't find the record on an official State Of Florida
website. I did find another site with the state record at 17-4.
mnbassman23 reply :
On 2/11/2014 at 3:24 AM, A-Jay said:Yes, I think that a record bass will be caught - when, who knows.
But it's not like we're talking about aliens or Big Foot here. This is something that statistically speaking, is reasonably conceivable, at least to me. There are just way too many vast & fertile impoundments on this planet not to have a few fish in them that push the boundaries of the record.
As the world and the global climate changes, so will the size of the fish. Might not be for the better initially, but as time goes on, sooner or later someone, some where, will set the hook and land the fish that we all secretly dream about.
A-Jay
X2 It is naive to think it won't be broken at some point in time. I see it happening in my life time.
greyleg33 reply :
I wouldn't overlook Texas, either. DNR there actively promotes big bass.
Raul reply :
On 2/10/2014 at 8:34 AM, Stlbob said:tell me about Dottie..
The bass in Japan and africa they arent LM like we have here are they..? the werent indiginous to that country. Someone transplanted them,right..? As far as that goes again its not in its natural envirorment again not apples to apples.
My man, for the better part of the US lmb bass are non native species, "northern strain" isn´t that northern and it´s original range is southern US and northern Mexico, in the case of Florida strain they are even more non native than northern strain.
RoLo reply :
On 2/12/2014 at 3:02 AM, roadwarrior said:Hmm...
For some reason I can't find the record on an official State Of Florida
website. I did find another site with the state record at 17-4.
Yeah, that's why I put single quotes around 'documented'. 
>> 'FWC Certified' State Record: 17 lb 4 oz
>> 'Documented' State Record: 20 lb 2 oz
Many 'documented' Florida records were never 'certified' by the FWC (Florida Wildlife Commission) or its predecessor the GFC.
Any minor infraction disallows FWC certification such as improperly witnessed, scales not re-certified within 6 months,
not identified by a state biologist & so on.
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Because of the state's stringent protocol (bureaucracy), Florida state record fish can be highly misleading.
For example, the Florida record Chain Pickerel was about 4-1/2 lb for years-&-years, then suddenly it catapulted to 6 lb 15 oz (go figure)
The lake record on Lake Okeechobee was 13-1/2 lb for year-&-years, lower than several state records to the north.
Then suddenly the Okeechobee Lake record jumped to 17-lb 3-oz, just 1 oz below the 'certified' state record (what's up with that?).
Listed below are 14 'documented' bass records in Florida that were never 'certified' by the GFC or FWC,
It's interesting to note that some of the documented records were certified by the International Game Fish Association (IGFA),
the National Fresh Water Fishing Hall of Fame (NFWFHF) or Bassmaster (BASS).
20-2
31" x 27"
Big Fish Lake (pasco co)
5/19/1923
Fritz Friebel - Won 1923 Field & Stream Contest - Never state certified
19-15
Keystone Lake (Hillsborough co)
1927
R.E. Lucas - Won 1927 Field & Stream Contest - Never state certified
19-4
Taylor Creek Reservoir (orange co)
6/30/1974
Phil Jay - Private lease-only lake - Documented by ISFA & FWFHOF
19-0
L: 31"
Lake Tarpon (pinellas co)
6/26/1961
W.A. Riley Witt - Won 1961 Field & Stream Contest
18-13
29.5" x 26.5"
St Johns River (green cove springs)
4/12/1987
Buddy Wright - Documented but never state certified
18-4
St Johns River (green cove springs)
12/16/1948
J.W. Smith - Won 1948 Field & Stream Contest
18-2
Taylor Creek Reservoir (orange co)
6/25/1974
Phil Jay - Private lease-only lake - Phil documented 2 bass over 18 lb in 5 days
18-2
Lake Brooklyn (clay co)
3/12/1966
Hugh Paul - Won 1966 Field & Stream Contest
18-0
30" x 25"
Tucker Lake (franklin co)
Aug 1964
Lonnie Petty - Won 1964 Field & Stream Contest
18-0
Ashley Lake (putnam co)
3/25/1951
Carl Swisher - Won 1951 Field & Stream Contest
17-15
Unnamed lake
Mar 1988
Donald Brunson - Documented
17-12
West Tohopekaliga (osceola co)
7/11/1986
John Faircloth - Documented
17-8
28" x 25"
Lake Rose (orange co)
2/17/1985
Mike Paul - Documented
17-8
28" x 25"
Hurricane Lake (okaloosa co)
3/19/1983
Robert Dunsford - Documented
Roger
RoLo reply :
Kent, I meant to include the URL but I'm sure you already found it: http://www.bassmaster.com/node/101735
Roger
WRB reply :
Rolo, the Zimmerlee bass, according to knowledgeable witnesses, was floating on the surface and Dave Zimmerlee rented a boat and retrieved it claiming to catch it using a kids Zebco combo rod/reel.
Miramar was the site where the first transplants were held in rearing ponds before moving the adults size bass to Upper Otay lake, then they were distributed into public San Diego city lakes like Lower Otay, San Vincente, Hodges, El Capitan, Sutherland, etc. Miramar dam was completed and the ponds flooding releasing the remaining transplants into Miramar lake.
The Casitas and Castaic FLMB came from the Upper Otay stock.
The CA official LMB record is 21 lbs 15 oz from lake Castaic, Mike Arujo, the documented record is 22.10 lbs. also from Castaic, Bob Crupi. Dottie ranks 3 rd @ 21 lbs 13 oz, Dickerson and never documented or officially weight when cuaght the final time, the anglers claimed she weighed 25.1 lbs on their scale before being released.
The Florida record back in '86 when I did some research for a article was 20 lbs 2 oz from lake Tarpon, not familiar with Eloise but will take your word on that.
I also agree with Catt when he states a lot of giant bass ended up as meals and several never get reported. Having spent the past 50 years chasing the WR bass, I hope someone somewhere catches a new record.
CA is in a 10 year drought with a few years to go before things change. Low lake levels make for poor spawn survival and prey sources for young bass. Planted trout stopped in SoCal about 6 years ago. The bottom line is poor conditions for giant bass populations in CA, this is the reason why I am not optimistic that a 20+ LMB is in our near future.
Tom
Basswhippa reply :
,Having spent the past 50 years chasing the WR bass, I hope someone somewhere catches a new record.
So have you ever seen or hung a world record? Nothing like a good fish story, especially a true one from a man who is credible.
South FLA reply :
How would you feel if a deer breeder used superior antler genetic deer, raised captive bucks/does for 3 years, fed them high protein food, provided them with thousands of acres to live a free range life and then allowed hunters to hunt the area for said deer when they turned 4-5 years old and a world record was taken on the land? I my opinion it would qualify for a world record on technical merit, but its not what was intended by nature. Its not any different than bass over the 21-22 lb mark being pursued for the sake of catching a weighty fish. Nevertheless, its still tough to fish or hunt and the chances of catching or harvesting a record deer or bass in an "unnatural" environment is still stacked against the hunter or angler.
WRB reply :
It's a myth that CA bass are hand feed any trout. Orval Ball, the man who introduced FLMB into San Diego city lakes goal was to improve the catch rate of adult size bass. The catch rate goal failed, FLMB proved to be harder to catch then northern LMB introduced 50 years earlier.
The San Diego city lakes like Otay the water is too warm to plant trout, only San Vincente had trout plants in the winter months. Miramar wasn't planned to have FLMB and was a trout lake and benefited. at Dixon lake, unknown anglers transplanted bass.
Lakes Casitas, Castaic and Isabella requested FLMB transplants in the early 70's to create trophy bass lakes and it worked. Both Casitas and Castaic get trout plants 3 months during the winter, it's not a year around program and no hatchery trout have been planted for over 6 years now in SoCal. The bass catch the planted on their own. Northern CA started to plant F1, FLMB in the early 80's with mixed results. No FLMB have been planted in CA since the early 80's. Pure FLMB may not exist in CA today as they have integrated with the NLMB populations. Bass are planted one time into CA lakes, after the initial plant they are on there own to reproduce.
On a final note; the NLMB didn't feed on the trout plants, different genes. The FLMB are wired to feed on golden shiners and the trout filled that niche.
Tom
bass1980 reply :
You know what how about everyone just stop posting and let WBR/Tom have the stage. His post are clear cut the best
You have a lot of knowledge on giant bass. Keep them coming!
Mattlures reply :
A high fence hormone deer is completely different then a bass that grows huge on a lake open to the public for fishing. Any bass that reaches 20lbs in a public CA lake has seen more fisherman and lures then any bass anywhere else on earth. Dottie was only caught while spawning. That lake was beaten to death for years by guys trying to catch her and no one ever could until she spawned. I think a huge bass caught in CA is more of an accomplishment then one caught in FL. WAY more pressure. We don't use big golden shiners, trout or bluegill for bait. Most of our lakes are only open for 3 or 4 days out of the week and are closed at night. There is always another boat near by and usually more then just one. If you catch a big bass in CA you have done something! I am not taking anything away from big catches from FL, TX, JP ETC, They are accomplishments. My point is any record bass caught from a public CA lake is more then enough to qualify for a world record and the IGFA agrees.
WRB reply :
Northern Largemouth Bass; lateral line scale count is 59-68, 15-16 scales below the lateral line.
Florida Largemouth Bass; lateral lne scales count is 69-72, 17-18 scales below the lateral line.
The scale count is your only visual method to identify the 2 different LMB strains.
NLMB native range was the Ohio and Mississippi River drainage. FLMB native range was Florida.
No bass are native west of the Rocky Mountains.
Tom
PS, lateral scales hole a nerve hole in each scale, 69+ = FLMB.
WRB reply :
All bass anglers have fish stories of the big one getting away, I am no different.On 2/12/2014 at 10:50 AM, Basswhippa said:,Having spent the past 50 years chasing the WR bass, I hope someone somewhere catches a new record.
So have you ever seen or hung a world record? Nothing like a good fish story, especially a true one from a man who is credible.
I have lost 2 bass that were 20 + lbs, the 1st at Lower Otay, I didn't see that bass. The bass ran under a anchored boat and around the anchor rope. Ron Huggit was fishing crawdads from his boat and tried to net this bass before it broke off. I was about 50' away in my boat and could only watch. According to Ron the bass was over 30" long and the biggest bass had seen.
Lost another giant bass at Castaic the year before I caught the 19.3. I got a good look at this bass and it looked well over 20 lbs and 30" long. I was fishing from the back of a friends boat, my friend was so excited he forgot to keep the boat under control with the trolling motor and we drifted over a rocky point, the fish made a hard run across the point and broke off, so close and the memory never fades. You can't make mistakes and land these bass.
Tom
Gaerith reply :
This is the best thread I've read in a long while. Please keep them coming; these stories are immensely entertaining and educational.
Lucas Li reply :
A 25lber on record means one bigger than the current record exists, so someone should eventually catch it. Probably Karl Von Dibble.
jhoffman reply :
On 2/12/2014 at 11:42 AM, South FLA said:How would you feel if a deer breeder used superior antler genetic deer, raised captive bucks/does for 3 years, fed them high protein food, provided them with thousands of acres to live a free range life and then allowed hunters to hunt the area for said deer when they turned 4-5 years old and a world record was taken on the land? I my opinion it would qualify for a world record on technical merit, but its not what was intended by nature. Its not any different than bass over the 21-22 lb mark being pursued for the sake of catching a weighty fish. Nevertheless, its still tough to fish or hunt and the chances of catching or harvesting a record deer or bass in an "unnatural" environment is still stacked against the hunter or angler.
I have a buddy with a deer farm, he produced a 2.5 year old buck with 200+" of antler. That deer at 1.5 was 170". You will never see that in nature.
I think theres a big misconception when it comes to creating super animals such as big bucks. To get the biggest of all bass we will need to tap into line breeding.
RoLo reply :
On 2/12/2014 at 1:18 PM, WRB said:Northern Largemouth Bass; lateral line scale count is 59-68, 15-16 scales below the lateral line.
Florida Largemouth Bass; lateral lne scales count is 69-72, 17-18 scales below the lateral line.
The scale count is your only visual method to identify the 2 different LMB strains.
NLMB native range was the Ohio and Mississippi River drainage. FLMB native range was Florida.
No bass are native west of the Rocky Mountains.
Tom
PS, lateral scales hole a nerve hole in each scale, 69+ = FLMB.
Actually, the scale-count method is not deemed conclusive, where DNA testing is the only reliable method of identification.
An accurate scale-count is not only time-consuming but easily skewed by misaligned scales and overlapping scales.
Furthermore, the scale-count for intergrade bass (hybrids) runs the gamut from 59 to 72, which sounds the death knell.
Beside DNA testing, the second surest way to identify a pure Florida-strain bass is to fish south of Ocala, Florida.
Northern-strain bass cannot survive in Florida, and intergrades are found chiefly north of Ocala, Florida.
Unlike anywhere else on earth, the number of intergrade bass in Florida progressively dries up as one travels south of Ocala, Florida.
Local biologists state that intergrade bass are absent from most waterbodies in central Florida.
On the contrary, the intergrade population of bass transplanted outside of Florida grows faster than any other population faction,
where pure Florida-strain bass are soon diluted.
Roger
Catt reply :
So I need to make trip to Inverness?
RoLo reply :
On 2/13/2014 at 1:17 AM, Catt said:So I need to make trip to Inverness?
You do, and I'll meet you there 
WRB reply :
Roger, simply offering a method for anglers to determine what they caught without a DNA kit. Lateral Scales are fairly easy to count and the only method I know of that anglers can use to determine if a big bass is a FLMB or NLMB. Outside of Florida anglers consider all bass from Florida are FLMB, including integrades like F1.
If say that pure FLMB are from Ocala (central Florida) and south is technically correct, I agree and read a few studies. DNA study would be the sceinentific solution to determine a pure FLMB and agree with also. The other method would be size, 17 lbs+, it's a FLMB or FLMB intergrade.
The CA LMB record was 14 lbs 7 oz, before the introduction of FLMB, same lakes , same forage base. Without FLMB there would never be a 20+ lb LMB anywhere, thank you Florida!
Cuba is south of Ocala.
Tom
RoLo reply :
Yes, I believe the world-record largemouth bass will be broken.
With regard to the next world-record, I've made a couple predictions over the years.
Although both predictions fly in the face of conventional wisdom, neither has been struck down but the jury is still out:
(1) In 1991, Bob Crupi boated a 22.01 pound monster from Lake Castaic, California, coming within 1/4 lb of Perry's world-record.
I was living in Georgia at the time, and my buddy Jerry said that it's only a matter of time when California upends the Georgia record.
I made a bet with Jerry in 1991, that California would not break the world-record. Jerry is now 84 and still waiting ;-)
(2) Several years ago on the forum there was a thread similar to this, but instead of IF, the question was WHERE.
In that thread I predicted that Japan might surprise everyone with the next world-record bass, but that went over like a lead balloon.
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Genetic Vigor
Many factors play into growing world-class bass, but among the most important criteria are 'genetic vigor' and 'geographic latitude'.
Whenever a species is transplanted outside its native range it's pitted against covert long-term opposition. Early on, transplanted creatures
typically do exceedingly well, but then things gradually go awry. Whatever happened to all the European starlings and English sparrows
that were going to displace our native birds? When fish are transplanted out of their natural range, the ultimate decline
is generally blamed on disease, over-harvest, competing species, drought, flood, ad infinitum. The real reason though
is a gradual and inevitable loss of genetic vigor. With each passing generation the gene pool becomes increasingly contaminated
with indigenous genes. As each new lake poops-out, the only way to keep the game alive is to pass the baton to another new lake
stocked with new transplants. In Florida however, there is no genetic poop-out, it's the only place on earth where almost any lake
or retention pond can yield a 13-lb bass with hands-off management.
Geographic Latitude
To offer the most adaptable climate, fish transplants are usually made laterally to a similar latitude. If the latitude is too far north,
it will shorten the 'growing season' of bass; if the latitude is too far south, it will shorten the 'life span' of bass.
With regard to 'world-class' bass (not trophy bass), geographic latitude is a precarious balance, and in order to grow world-class bass
you need to provide both a long growing season and long life. Those expecting big things from Honduras or Cuba will likely be
blindsided again. Honduras is only 15 degrees north of the equator and Cuba is about 22 deg N. At those hellish latitudes,
bass grow very fast but die very young due to metabolic burnout. It's the same as pushing a plant with high-powered grow lights.
The latitude tolerance for growing world-class bass is astonishingly narrow, but to home-in on the most promising latitude
we have only to refer to world-class bass of the past:
>> Current World-Record (Montgomery Lake, GA) 32nd Parallel
>> Dottie (Lake Dixon, CA) 33rd Parallel
>> Tied World-Record (Lake Biwi, Japan) 35th Parallel
Roger
Goose52 reply :
On 2/13/2014 at 7:34 AM, RoLo said:.....................The latitude tolerance for growing world-class bass is astonishingly narrow,
but to home-in on the most promising latitude we have only to refer to world-class bass of the past:
>> Current World-Record (Montgomery Lake, GA) 32nd Parallel
>> Dottie (Lake Dixon, CA) 33rd Parallel
>> Tied World-Record (Lake Biwi, Japan) 35th Parallel
Roger
Now that's interesting. Hmmm, the 32nd parallel in the southern hemisphere runs through....................South Africa.............another location that has been mentioned as a possible contender for the next record...!
00 mod reply :
On 2/13/2014 at 7:49 AM, Goose52 said:Now that's interesting. Hmmm, the 32nd parallel in the southern hemisphere runs through....................South Africa.............another location that has been mentioned as a possible contender for the next record...!
All of the others are in the Northern Hemisphere!
flyfisher reply :
I don't think comparing raising and hunting a deer is a fair comparison. Sure you can breed and get a huge deer and you can do the same with the bass. The difference being that you still have to catch the bass where shooting that deer would be considerably easier. I guess you could maybe get a bass that large and have him in a pond or something and get him used to people but barring that, it isn't comparing apples to apples.
John G reply :
On 2/12/2014 at 3:02 AM, roadwarrior said:Hmm...
For some reason I can't find the record on an official State Of Florida
website. I did find another site with the state record at 17-4.
This info was posted on the wall at the FWC Exhibit at the Florida State Fair last Saturday when I was there. 17.4 1/4 oz for the Fl record.
Bass Menace reply :
On 2/13/2014 at 7:49 AM, Goose52 said:Now that's interesting. Hmmm, the 32nd parallel in the southern hemisphere runs through....................South Africa.............another location that has been mentioned as a possible contender for the next record...!
We only have one dam (that I know of) above that latitude (29 deg South) that was stocked back in the 80's with FLMB. This dam is well known for large bass and great bags. I am heading out there tomorrow for my first time.
http://goo.gl/qX7yPu
Most of our larger dams have mixed FLMB and NLMB.
Stlbob reply :
I guess for the record people can tell themselves whatever it takes for them to feel its okay..Or to justify what i call cheating,plain and simple.Im an old country boy,and i call a spade a spade.Having people like what i say isnt important to me as many times the truth can make you not very popular..
If the bass isnt caught in its native enviroment,which is in this country.They are not provided meals of 2 lb trout,and on and on its not the real deal.
But hey i guess honor means very little when your chasing a record.
shimmy reply :
On 2/15/2014 at 9:49 PM, Stlbob said:I guess for the record people can tell themselves whatever it takes for them to feel its okay..Or to justify what i call cheating,plain and simple.Im an old country boy,and i call a spade a spade.Having people like what i say isnt important to me as many times the truth can make you not very popular..
If the bass isnt caught in its native enviroment,which is in this country.They are not provided meals of 2 lb trout,and on and on its not the real deal.
But hey i guess honor means very little when your chasing a record.
you realize that it is not realistic what you are saying. Nothing is really native anymore. I guess everyone on this board who chases big bass or potential records have no "honor."
Stlbob reply :
you are providing a perfect example about what im saying.
So there are 'NO' native bass BS..Ok the bass in Japan,and whatever country they were introduced to are sure as heck are not natural habitat of those fish.ie they dont belong there.
The F1 hybrid bass is around becuse we bred it.Come on its an easy concept..IF no outside meddling is involved and the bass would be there wheter we were involoved or not and we have not bred them,modified them,transplanted them thats a bass in it natural habitat.If human intervention were removed and the bass would still be there than thats natural habitat.
i dont understand the confusion,seems a pretty simple concept to grasp.
flyfisher reply :
On 2/15/2014 at 9:49 PM, Stlbob said:I guess for the record people can tell themselves whatever it takes for them to feel its okay..Or to justify what i call cheating,plain and simple.Im an old country boy,and i call a spade a spade.Having people like what i say isnt important to me as many times the truth can make you not very popular..
If the bass isnt caught in its native enviroment,which is in this country.They are not provided meals of 2 lb trout,and on and on its not the real deal.
But hey i guess honor means very little when your chasing a record.
Cheating is adding weights to a bass or literally hand feeding a fish in a private pond and "catching"it.
And native environment isn't this country it is a few very specific drainages of which i am pretty sure most of us are not privy to fishing. Adding in forage fish to a lake is common practice and is what is needed in some instances to keep a fishery going, not to mention you still have to catch the fish. If it was as easy as you make it out to be, don't you think the record would have been broken already and multiple times? the answer is it hasn't been broken as of yet even with the "dishonorable" tactics you claim to exist.
You also have to remember that trout stocking isn't an every day thing, it is not frequent and the only info i could find is that it happen maybe once a year now as it was originally done to help to build a healthy population in new lakes.
Also, do lakes that are man made or because of dams put in rivers get discounted?
I get the gist of what you are saying but to say that it should only come from america is silly. I mean i believe the snakehead world record was just caught here and that is not a native fish.
flyfisher reply :
On 2/16/2014 at 12:13 AM, Stlbob said:you are providing a perfect example about what im saying.
So there are 'NO' native bass BS..Ok the bass in Japan,and whatever country they were introduced to are sure as heck are not natural habitat of those fish.ie they dont belong there.
The F1 hybrid bass is around becuse we bred it.Come on its an easy concept..IF no outside meddling is involved and the bass would be there wheter we were involoved or not and we have not bred them,modified them,transplanted them thats a bass in it natural habitat.If human intervention were removed and the bass would still be there than thats natural habitat.
i dont understand the confusion,seems a pretty simple concept to grasp.
unfortunately there is no time machine to take you back to a time where the situation you list is possible. I am happy with a wild fish(stocked but self sustaining) or a native fish myself.
Stlbob reply :
then that snakehead as far as i am concerned is not legit.If man had a hand in it then its not natural,by nature,etc.If WE (we being meddling humans) caused whatever record breaking fish,deer , hogzilla whatever pick one then its not legit.We build these creatures not to taste better,swim faster,live longer.....nooooooo we meddle to always make them bigger to break records we (again meddling humans) hold so dear.
so we corrupt mother nature for only our own self satisfaction..Tell me im wrong. You know im am hitting the nail on the head
Mainebass1984 reply :
A native fish in its unaltered environment untouched by man ? Does such a place exist ?
Stlbob reply :
no time machine needed there are hundreds of thousands of places to fish untouched by breeding programs.
Again catching the record bass in Japan would be a record devoid of honor,with only the goal of breaking a record made much easier by the hand of man..Maybe i do need a time machine,i see people cheat and steal everyday and they are okay with it.
People cheat on their taxs,spouses,jobs,etc,etc. And it seems thats not a big deal becasue everyone does it.So raised with this moral standard i can see how someone would feel catching the record by whatever means are needed is acceptable.I for one dont feel that way.If the hand of man is involved its not legit.
just my .02
flyfisher reply :
so is the only way to catch a record bass is to swim and catch it with your bare hands? and what about boats, should they all be hand made or can you only fish from the bank?
And if it is so much easier because of man's intervention then why hasn't it happened? how can man not be involved if he is the one catching the fish?
People have been altering nature for a long long time. Native americans would dam up streams to access better fishing and up their chances, they would also run buffalo into areas where they would be cornered so they could hunt them more easily. We could also look at farming and mining and cutting down logs to build houses etc...
Bottom line is the world you think existed never really did, as we are all part of this world and should to our best to keep it as pristine as ever but managing a fishery is not a bad thing and believe it or not, everything isn't done to try and beat a record but rather provide an activity that gets people outside and enjoying the nature that is there.
What areas can you fish that are untouched as you mention?
Equating cheating and stealing with catching a stocked or non-native fish seems like a biiiig stretch to me. If you are so opposed to it then i question how do you fish and where because i would like to know where these untouched fish are that weren't under man's intervention because it would still be cheating or stealing even if it isn't the record, right?
SirSnookalot reply :
If a person catches the largest fish of any species in accordance with the IGFA, it's world's record, I don't see anything simpler than that. There was no cheating done to catch the fish.
Smokinal reply :
...“As long as people are still having unprotected sex with many anonymous partners, whilst at the same time experimenting with mind-expanding drugs in a consequence-free environment, I'll be sound as a pound.”
flyfisher reply :
On 2/16/2014 at 2:07 AM, Smokinal said:...“As long as people are still having unprotected sex with many anonymous partners, whilst at the same time experimenting with mind-expanding drugs in a consequence-free environment, I'll be sound as a pound.”
And the derailment post of the year goes to........^^^^ lol
Just messing with you
Stlbob reply :
i dont and have not ever fished for records.If by pure chance i caught something someday and i knew it had been,or it was a hybrid,or any the things outlined i would even give a seconds thought it would just go back in the water...period...
I didnt say not to fish where they are,i said that record fish introduced by man,bred by man,altered by man should not be open to the record books.
When the big bass was caught in 32' i know for a fact it wasnt a hybrid,or introduced,or feed by or altered in any way by our presense.Yes i am
a bit of a purrist.
I mean no disrespect to anyone.You feel your way and tell yourselves whatever story makes up for any of the shortcomings of having someone 'MAKE' the next record bass. Your ok with it ,im not.Thats what makes this country what it is.
so again just my .02 no harm meant no one loves an intellegent discussion more than me.
flyfisher reply :
On 2/16/2014 at 3:37 AM, Stlbob said:i dont and have not ever fished for records.If by pure chance i caught something someday and i knew it had been,or it was a hybrid,or any the things outlined i would even give a seconds thought it would just go back in the water...period...
I didnt say not to fish where they are,i said that record fish introduced by man,bred by man,altered by man should not be open to the record books.
When the big bass was caught in 32' i know for a fact it wasnt a hybrid,or introduced,or feed by or altered in any way by our presense.Yes i am
a bit of a purrist.
I mean no disrespect to anyone.You feel your way and tell yourselves whatever story makes up for any of the shortcomings of having someone 'MAKE' the next record bass. Your ok with it ,im not.Thats what makes this country what it is.
so again just my .02 no harm meant no one loves an intellegent discussion more than me.
How do you know that the bass wasn't altered in any way? The record has more controversy around it than most other records really and some even question if it was a LM bass.
I see your point about having purity but i don't see the equation to cheating and stealing that was made. Is a self sustaining population of bass that came from originally being stocked also not adequate? I would think that after a few generations that any intervention by man is out the window really.
The bottom line is still no matter what is done to help a bass grow by making sure the lake is fertile and has forage, the bass still needs to eat, grow large, avoid predators, have good genes and then get caught, which is the hardest part since the florida strain bass are notoriously difficult to catch as they get larger and older.
iabass8 reply :
On 2/16/2014 at 3:37 AM, Stlbob said:
I didnt say not to fish where they are,i said that record fish introduced by man,bred by man,altered by man should not be open to the record books.
When the big bass was caught in 32' i know for a fact it wasnt a hybrid,or introduced,or feed by or altered in any way by our presense.Yes i am
a bit of a purrist.
No, you don't and that's a very silly, naive statement. The fish was allegedly caught in an oxbow in GA. Perry was a farmer during part of the depression. Fishing for food had become almost a way of life to some of the unfortunate people hit by the depression. How are you so certain that people in the area didn't take non native fish or some farm pond bred bluegill, catfish or bass and "diddy pole" areas of the water for fish? This fish was so large that it could easily be conceivable these large fish were fed farm raised bait. You(and along with everybody else unless you were on the water in GA at this time) have ZERO evidence of weather or not this happened. So, by your standards, every record fish caught could conceivably be caught "cheating". If that's the case, stop fishing.
shimmy reply :
Using the same logic, i am assuming you do not watch the olympics or cheer for America when they win a gold medal or set a world record since we are all immigrants. You are taking an extreme side and trying to call it "logic". I agree that if the breeding was taken to a complete new level, records would get hazy, but you are talking as if breeding has taken a completely new genetic mutation of craziness already. Regardless of where fish are transferred, it is the climate and forage that determines what makes a giant bass. Perry's fish may not have been 22 pounds anyways.
WRB reply :
The Goerge Perry world record LMB was established over 20 years after it was caught. The bass was reported to be caught July 1932, the IGFA formed in 1953. there isn't any hard evidence what the size was. Perry filled out a Field & Stream application for the magazines big bass contest that was an annual event, sent a picture that has never been found.
Magazine fishing contest offered lures as a prize and during the Great Depression a free lure was sought after. George Perry never self promoted this catch, in fact he avoided interviews. There is so much that doesn't add up with the Perry bass, however we accept it, based on Perry's word.
The Kurita bass is without doubt the world record bass.
If you go down the road that transplanted bass are not real basss, then the Perry falls into this category, no native pure FLMB north of Ocala.
Tom
Bassfishing375 reply :
On 2/10/2014 at 8:33 AM, geo g said:Yes I do believe a bigger one will be caught. Way back when, if you caught a fish you killed it. With catch and release big fish are being put back daily to be caught again. As for the California big fish, they are being feed stocked trout every year and the bass love them. This certainly leads to the super growth, in California's catch and release lakes. I have no idea what going on in Japan, but there are some monster bass. I'm sure a new worlds record is sitting around just waiting for something with a hook to swim bye.
I'm pretty sure that it is illegal to release bass in Japan, because they are invasive
flyfisher reply :
On 2/16/2014 at 5:58 AM, Bassfishing375 said:I'm pretty sure that it is illegal to release bass in Japan, because they are invasive
I read that same thing and it is apparently a pretty hefty fine if you get caught accidentally letting one go.
Stlbob reply :
to me your all immagrents my grandma was full blood lokata Sioux..But i must say i feel your angry becuase i pose an opinon different than your own..dont be..Its just how ' I ' feel..
listen maybe its years of having take the high road pounded in my head..i dont know..if the whole 'cheating' was a bit too much i apologize..
Again just my thoughts on the matter..
the whole not cheering for America becuase i dont feel exported Bass should qualify is as an insulting thing that has ever been said..Thats Waaaay out in left field..I served, my son and son in law serve now.they have 3 tours in the sand box between them so very few care more about this country than i do and my family . So because i think a certain way about what Bass should qualify and my duty and love of my country is questioned that was out of line and really makes me angry. I have not insulted anyone,time and again i said no insult was intended.there was no point to that statement other to insult me...and to demean..i have a reason i feel the way i do.Because this was not to voice a point but to just be flippin ignorant.
Stlbob reply :
okay a lot of misplaced anger here.
let say this and im done.
' I ' I being me do not feel exported,imported,hybrids made by man,anything with a food source we control makes ' me ' feel like the deck is stacked in a way that wasnt out there when the first record bass was caught.
Yes we can ' what if ' it to death even concerning the bass from 32'..I feel that way..if you dont so be it.DONT be insulting i dont need or want that. I feel strongly about it but again i am a voice of one and its clear most here are fine with it..so be it..i will always stand up for what i feel is right even if im the only one standing..
It obvious i wont change anyones mind and you wont change mine..BUT never ever question my love of this country, this is after all just a conversation about Bass.A fish we chase around with brightly colored lures and plastic worms..not a game changer guys just a fish after all.
WRB reply :
Just a footnote on California FLMB. Lake Hodges in San Diego produced a ceritfied 20.4 lb LMB, there are NO trout in Hodges only bluegill, crappie, threadfin shad, crawdads and channel catfish.
Ideal environment, long growing seasons, no commercial fishing, lower fishing pressure; Hodges is only open 3 days a week like the other SD area lakes.
If CA produces a new world record bass the lake may be San Vincente, it's been closed several years due to the dam being raised 117' higher creating a new bigger lake. San V has produced several 18-19 lb bass in the past.
Tom
flyfisher reply :
On 2/16/2014 at 6:28 AM, Stlbob said:to me your all immagrents my grandma was full blood lokata Sioux..But i must say i feel your angry becuase i pose an opinon different than your own..dont be..Its just how ' I ' feel..
listen maybe its years of having take the high road pounded in my head..i dont know..if the whole 'cheating' was a bit too much i apologize..
Again just my thoughts on the matter..
the whole not cheering for America becuase i dont feel exported Bass should qualify is as an insulting thing that has ever been said..Thats Waaaay out in left field..I served, my son and son in law serve now.they have 3 tours in the sand box between them so very few care more about this country than i do and my family . So because i think a certain way about what Bass should qualify and my duty and love of my country is questioned that was out of line and really makes me angry. I have not insulted anyone,time and again i said no insult was intended.there was no point to that statement other to insult me...and to demean..i have a reason i feel the way i do.Because this was not to voice a point but to just be flippin ignorant.
Nobody is angry with you, just trying to figure it all out. Your grandma being full-blooded sioux means unless you have full blooded sioux or other native americans as the other pieces to the genetic puzzle you are at most what 1/8th sioux so as much an immigrant as the next guy.
Nobody is questioning your alliance to the country at least i am not as i have rad your posts and see where you fall. It was merely an analogy to a record being broken by an american who is not native to here is no different than catching a bass that is not native to the place it was caught either.
I enjoy our debates so don't take it the wrong way because i know i didn't take it the wrong way when you equated catching a world record to cheating and stealing because i would love to catch a world record of any type.
I do think this thread has reached the point of agree to disagree though
Stlbob reply :
no my grandfather on dads side was 1/2 sioux half irish...yeah i dont drink..when i was younger it never turned out well.I did the dna swab a cple of years ago and they sent me a stack of stuff i could apply for because i was native enough..dont me get going on that..
yeah some things were being said that were becoming very close to personal insults..so i wanted to bring it down a notch or two..and no you didnt say it..
BUT yes we shall politely agree to disagree...i think im getting cabin fever..it decided to turn this town into a glazed donut today more freezing rain.I need to stop piddling with tackle and go fishing.
Hooligan reply :
Uhh, what? Any fish that isn't a Northern Strain is outside its native environment. So, that rules out CA, TX, LA, and pretty much anywhere they grow big.On 2/10/2014 at 8:34 AM, Stlbob said:tell me about Dottie..
The bass in Japan and africa they arent LM like we have here are they..? the werent indiginous to that country. Someone transplanted them,right..? As far as that goes again its not in its natural envirorment again not apples to apples.
That's an ill formed argument at best. Apples to apples is genetics to genetics. Environmental factors are going to both affect, and effect, those fish in the same way. The environs they inhabit in any situation is extremely similar. They are not growth limited by environment. They're growth limited by genetics. That's it, plain and simple, there's no arguing otherwise.
I tend, also, not to think Dottie was the biggest ever. There is anecdotal evidence of CA anglers and TX anglers seeing legit 20lb fish that were dwarfed by other large females in a pack. I also don't believe that we will ever see a 25lb fish in captivity for any length of time- at least not one that was wild, then captive.
I firmly believe that there is a 25+ out there. Very likely more than one. It's all a game of chance.
SirSnookalot reply :
The espousement of ones morality and values, service to country and family lineage have nothing to do with the issue. A governing body with high degree of integrity, that places stringent standards on what is declared to be records, has sanctioned this Japanese bass as the reigning world record. On the human side I can understand the feeling of diluting the accomplishment by a non American on foreign soil to surpass an American record. I do not share that feeling.
Whether it's a fish or an Olympic record, I give credit to the person that has labored to attain that level of accomplishment.
shimmy reply :
On 2/16/2014 at 8:58 AM, Stlbob said:no my grandfather on dads side was 1/2 sioux half irish...yeah i dont drink..when i was younger it never turned out well.I did the dna swab a cple of years ago and they sent me a stack of stuff i could apply for because i was native enough..dont me get going on that..
yeah some things were being said that were becoming very close to personal insults..so i wanted to bring it down a notch or two..and no you didnt say it..
BUT yes we shall politely agree to disagree...i think im getting cabin fever..it decided to turn this town into a glazed donut today more freezing rain.I need to stop piddling with tackle and go fishing.
The analogy was to point out the extremity of your position. Thanks for taking the "high road" as you mentioned...The main reason you got a rebuttal was due to your lack of high road linguistics calling fisherman on a fisherman's website "cheaters" and "dishonorable" for trying to catch a world record bass and claim it as so. Being a rational guy as you exclaim, just ponder on that and attempt to see why the replies on a fishing forum disagreed. As for trying to insult you and your veteran family, I'm surprised you took it that way. It was stated to illustrate the extremity of your argument. I applaud your patriotism, and did not intend to proclaim how unpatriotic you were; yet since you were offended in that manner, it was not my intention and i apologize. Given the circularity of this discussion, i agree with flyfisher that we will have to agree to disagree.
BassObsessed reply :
It's interesting to hear varied opinions on when and where the new world record bass will be caught. I'm amongst the many that would like to have that record. I think a few places already mentioned has one now or could hold a record bass in due time. Whether it's a private lake with forage purposely stocked or not is hard to say.
Jaheff reply :
On 2/16/2014 at 7:30 AM, WRB said:Just a footnote on California FLMB. Lake Hodges in San Diego produced a ceritfied 20.4 lb LMB, there are NO trout in Hodges only bluegill, crappie, threadfin shad, crawdads and channel catfish.
Ideal environment, long growing seasons, no commercial fishing, lower fishing pressure; Hodges is only open 3 days a week like the other SD area lakes.
If CA produces a new world record bass the lake may be San Vincente, it's been closed several years due to the dam being raised 117' higher creating a new bigger lake. San V has produced several 18-19 lb bass in the past.
Tom
And no striper's in Hodges.
South FLA reply :
Been reading through the post again, interesting points of view. I used the bass to deer comparison as an analogy, albeit a bit flawed. In my opinion, its still a HUGE accomplishment to catch a WR LMB! Nevertheless, in my opinion as the IGFA evolves there should be a subcategory that recognizes record fish caught in their native range as well as world record class (see below quoted from fishwagon.com)
"The largemouth bass is native only to North America, and its original range was generally the eastern half of the United States and southern Ontario and Quebec in Canada. The native range extended south from Iowa to Texas and northeastern Mexico, and east to the South Atlantic coast and western New York and Pennsylvania. Due to extensive stocking and the largemouth’s adaptable nature, it is now abundant throughout the Appalachian and Ozark Ranges, most of the northeastern U.S. from Maryland to Maine, and easternmost Canada.
Since the late 1800s, its range has been expanded to include major or minor portions of every state in the U.S. except Alaska, and most of the southern fringes of Canada, as well as several regions in Europe, Asia, Africa, South America, Central America, and the Caribbean."
So you would have an all tackle class world record and a native class record. There should also be a category for hybrid and crossbred species of the largemouth since genetic testing is advanced enough to know the record's origin (So a sub-category for pure Florida Strain, Pure Northern, etc.)
Brian Needham reply :
oh, and yes a new WR will be caught, but No it will not be caught in Merica.
00 mod reply :
We are done here gentlemen.
Jeff
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