So today I was fishing my favorite pond. I caught a decent fish and held it up to show my brother, who was fishing across the pond from me. This random dude who was fishing immediately picks up his tackle box, walks over to me, makes some small talk, sets down his tackle box, and promptly started fishing. I moved away from him pretty quickly. Who wants to fish with someone who tries to horn into your spot?
You ever run into this type?
Yup, and sometimes I don't mind and sometimes I do... Earlier this year I was fishing the edge of some matted grass with lipless crankbaits and started putting fish in the boat left and right, I guess people from all over the lake saw me and decided to voyage across the lake and block me on both sides from moving along the weed edge that I claimed first, It luckly didn't ruin my day because I found some more fish on the other side of the lake...
People. That's all I'm gonna say about that!
Around here we might say that guy "Jerseyed" you. (Nothing against New Jersey)
Yep. Had caught 4 in one spot. Had a kid about 16 walk over and literally throw across me. I was like. "Really dude?" He just looked at me like i was crazy. I reeled mine up and walked off.
Nothing like getting "Poached"
Happens on every creek, river, pond, lake & ocean from sea to shining sea . . . .
A-Jay
Happens to me on Erie all the time. Guess there's a shortage of good water everywhere except under my boat.
*Catches one fish* then everyone swarms to your spot lol
One time I was catching some crappies that were schooled up, I was using a 1/32oz jighead with a 1" curly tail and catching them on every cast, this lady who had been standing 50 yards away comes and stands about a foot away from me, without saying a word, and starts tossing a 3" curly tail on a 1/4oz jighead and is confused as to why she couldn't catch anything, I moved down the bank a bit and found more fish, she came over and did the same thing but this time asked what I was using. I told her exactly what I had but I guess it didn't really "click". I put about 10 crappies on her stringer and she headed home. Gotta kill them with kindness
I was fishing the Davie dump site and had an SUV drive up and unload 3 adults and 5 kids all with live bait and tuna poles and set up 10 feet from where I was fishing. I left after seeing them gut hook three small bass and just rip the hook out . Crap like that will ruin a small lake in short order.
Happens to me on my home lake all the time, but the guys will normally wait until I've moved down the bank, or off the break before they swarm in. There's a couple of regulars that I got to sit on a spot with no cover and a featureless bottom after I 'fished it for ten minutes or so. They worked that spot for almost an hour before they gave up. Next time out, they didn't give me a second look.
On 11/30/2014 at 10:52 AM, asianboywonder said:*Catches one fish* then everyone swarms to your spot lol
You feel the park pains lol
I'll admit. I've been that guy. I work a long day and sometimes I can't drive from spot to spot after work to find a free spot and I'm not going home. I'll try and give someone at least 100 feet. Usually it's a member of the bucket brigade and I'll catch a fish or two right off the bat. I've found its a good opportunity to discuss tactics and conservation.
Edit: I also sometimes tell people smallmouth are poisonous.
This is the same mentality most people have when the salmon start running here. Once you hook a fish you'll have another 5 guys surrounding you. Can't stand it and this is part of what makes me despise fishing salmon fishing these days. Luckily this has not happened to me while bass fishing.
Yes, my granddaddy had a choice word for it.. I cannot repeat it here...
On 11/30/2014 at 12:30 PM, Alonerankin2 said:Yes, my granddaddy had a choice word for it.. I cannot repeat it here...
yeah my granddad had a few choice words too hahaha
I thought that only happened in overpopulated Southern California - nice to know the rude & ignorant are spread across the country.
On vacation in Phoenix, Arizona, I was bank fishing an area with multiple ponds (midweek). As I moved down the shoreline, I caught a bass about 75 yards away from these 2 guys who had set up camp on spot. Immediately, one of the guys picks up a rod & begins walking towards me. He makes a couple of casts in the area I am approaching, so I just walk around him & his buddy, not casting again until I am about 50 yards past them. The "approacher" then continues walking along the waters edge, occasionally making a cast, until he circles the pond & passes me for a 2nd time. He was obviously a very savvy fisherman, for he told me that he figured out the bass were spawning (it was mid-Agust and the water temp had to be over 85 degrees).
I just walked up to the next pond & caught a 4 pounder...
I don't remember having a problem with another fisherman when freshwater fishing. Even during the weekends, I'm okay. It's the dog owners that really get under my skin.
That's when it's time to break out my patented "Around the World" cast Usually after my bait whizzes by someones ear a time or two they get the message. I also like to move to the spot they just left and catch a fish, that'll really make some people mad.
This spring I was catching trout one after the other in a small pocket on a little lake when I saw a father and two young boys walking along the bank. I yelled for them to set up their lawn chairs by me and directed them to the exact location they needed to cast their baits. Moved my boat to play blocker from some other guys that were coming to barge in on the kids fun. My catching pretty much stopped but I had way more fun watching his kids fighting trout as fast as they could get a line in the water than I was having catching them myself.
I don't mind sharing a good spot sometimes, but it helps a lot when someone asks nicely before they elbow into my personal space.
On 11/30/2014 at 2:39 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I don't mind sharing a good spot sometimes, but it helps a lot when someone asks nicely before they elbow into my personal space.
That's the key right there. If someone is polite and respectful I don't mind sharing a honey hole, most of the time.
I never like it but usually don't get over annoyed, one time I did. A few years ago a Hall of Fame fisherman started fishing my beach, we became friends. I gave him some pointers on how to fish the beaches here as his forte is freshwater stripers. He is in the Hall more as journalist and tournament sponsor than an angler but he does know how to fish. A few days in a row I was on a good bite, every time I had a fish on he was casting right over me, said nothing until the third day and I went ballistic on him. A person with his credentials should have known better and have better etiquette, when I got home I threw the signed copy of his book into the garbage. Glad he moved back to Tenn., didn't like Florida.
Not at a pond but in my boat.
Caught one along the bank and next thing I know another boater shows up out of no where and starts to fish in my area.
I had a number of choices, one of which was to make a lot of noise and ruin the spot.
But being the gentleman I was, I smiled at him, wished him luck, and pulled out and around him.
I watched him for a little while and he never caught anything.
Had he been a gentleman I would have shared with him where the fish were holding and what baits I was throwing.
It used to happen often, and still does when I am fun fishing, usually not by bass fishermen though. It quit happening during tournaments when I started to run them.........people know better to tick off the tournament director LOL. I had a guy this summer on Conesus come in on me while I was long-lining a football jig, and dragging it over some rock out side the weeds...........How close? He cut my line with his TM. Words were exchanged. I'll be very amused if he someday tries to enter one of my events.
Farmer, my friend threw his jig into another guy's boat when the guy got within 10 feet of him on a local river.
No words were said but the other guy got the message and backed off.
During a tournament a few years ago on the Historic James River, three different boaters encountered a little old man in a metal skiff sitting on top of some great places to fish.
He was not in the tournament but he did have a very powerful way of telling the guys to bug off.
He had a shotgun!
Seems he is the father of a local bass fisherman who was in the tournament and he was guarding his son's honey holes.
After the word got out this practice stopped. Some of my friends said they will carry a gun in their boats in case this happens again.
I told them not to do that but to smile and when they leave the location go in circles and bounce the little man in his skiff all around.
It's just funny that in tournaments we catch a fish and if someone is driving by I've had a guy loosen up his drag a bit and just chill, pretending he doesn't have anything on. Or when we boat a fish we just pretend nothing is in the net, like we are retying or whatever
On 11/30/2014 at 8:17 AM, Senko lover said:So today I was fishing my favorite pond. I caught a decent fish and held it up to show my brother, who was fishing across the pond from me. This random dude who was fishing immediately picks up his tackle box, walks over to me, makes some small talk, sets down his tackle box, and promptly started fishing. I moved away from him pretty quickly. Who wants to fish with someone who tries to horn into your spot?
You ever run into this type?
We call these people "Seagulls".
The only mistake you made was moving away from your spot. At the very least, you should have given a parting shot such as offering to give him your magic bait, casting for him, or any other comment to show this guy that he is at least three rungs lower on the food chain than you!
Yup had that happen before, didn't really mind though because other than barging in, they werent rude st all. In fact we had a nice conversation about fishing and other things in general, all the while neither of us caught much of anything, lol.
If I see someone in a spot, ill give them plenty of ample room if there is a large area to fish, but if it is a tighter, more co fined area, ill just pack up and head down river or back to the house since they were there first. Even if they were polite about it, id still defer because I dont wanna encroach on them and wind up possibly tangling up sith their line and ruining their day.
We refer to these people as Goons, their behavior as Gooning and the effect as being Gooned. You get the point.
I was bank fishing with a buddy at a local lake with plenty of shoreline. I find a nice patch of lily pads in the corner of the lake. I set my tackle bag down and start tying my frog on when this dude and girlfriend come walking up and he literally stops in front of me and starts casting into my spot just as I finish tying my rig. I stood right next to him and start casting. He looks at me like I'm a jerk. I was casting so close to his casts that he eventually got hung up in a tree and broke off. Frustrated he left, but I'm sure in his mind I was the jerk. Some people are clueless...
Never I have spotted this kind of behavior happening on land. I am sure that is rare case Senko Lover. However when in boat at sea this is somewhat expected especially when you are fishing smaller ones like perch and locate one of the shoals then fish just keeps coming. When others spot it, of course they are trying to get the part of and come close. There is not much to do about it on water.
On 11/30/2014 at 2:46 PM, IDUTBass said:Happened to me a few weeks ago. Caught 10 in about two hours and guys accross the lake caught one each. Came back the next week and they were right where I was before. They wouldn say a word to me either. Oh well. Funny thing was they didn catch anything.
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but I don't interpret this as being the same thing as the original post...AT ALL.
How did you manage to officially claim your 'spot' for eternity? I am having difficulty figuring out what the other guys did wrong.
I didn't I just thought it was funny. Sorry I have a more relevant one. I was musky fishing with my friend and we were standing 10 feet apart. Then some random guy comes and starts fishing right inbetween us, and his friends go on either side of us when the entire lake was open.
Heard them called googans before
So did he actually have a physical tackle box? Or is that just a generalization? lol I am generally not worried about someone with a tacklebox as from experience generally they are not great. Now someone with a book bag or tackle bag and a handful of rods.
Bent rod pattern is a strong one. Hard to ignore.
I actually met my best friend this way. I was fishing and I could see him looking at me he was kinda shy at first then decided to introduce himself. We started fishing and we fished every single day for about 3 months. It's been 2 years were still good friends that's the day I caught the one In my profile pic. He was my lucky person for the next month. Sometimes it can be a good thing. walleye fishing in Lake Erie I see this quite often they come straight toward you until the last minute when they tangle your whole planer board setup. We have even gone as far as to put a scrambler in our radio.
Poachers are everywhere. I was shore fishing at a local lake and caught a small largemouth. Next thing I know, 2 boats pull up and stop right over where I was fishing and drop anchor and start fishing. I just shook my head and casting into one of the boats. When the guy said I don't understand my only response was Sorry didn't see you there a minute ago. Then I just laughed and walked away. Thats all you (legal) can do.
On 11/30/2014 at 5:00 PM, SirSnookalot said:I never like it but usually don't get over annoyed, one time I did. A few years ago a Hall of Fame fisherman started fishing my beach, we became friends. I gave him some pointers on how to fish the beaches here as his forte is freshwater stripers. He is in the Hall more as journalist and tournament sponsor than an angler but he does know how to fish. A few days in a row I was on a good bite, every time I had a fish on he was casting right over me, said nothing until the third day and I went ballistic on him. A person with his credentials should have known better and have better etiquette, when I got home I threw the signed copy of his book into the garbage. Glad he moved back to Tenn., didn't like Florida.
His first name wasn't Fred by chance.
Only people I report INSTANTLY are a group of usually aliens with 30+ rods set out.
Game warden first. State police next. Immigration Control last. Word travels faster than a warning.
NEVER NEVER Even look like you are interested in the group. Just call the agencies.
On 12/2/2014 at 7:39 AM, Dwight Hottle said:His first name wasn't Fred by chance.
No it isn't. I did mention his name a few years which was probably was in bad taste, so I won't mention it again. He was born in New Jersey and his first initial is S.
On 12/2/2014 at 4:40 AM, J Francho said:Bent rod pattern is a strong one. Hard to ignore.
The very reason why so many ice fishermen where I fish sit inside portable shanties where nobody can tell how they're doing.
Also a very good reason not to "Go Ike!" when you catch a bass on open water.
On 12/2/2014 at 12:50 AM, basshole8190 said:Heard them called googans before
That's what we call them here in Florida, Googan pretty much means bad/annoying fisherman.
On 12/5/2014 at 6:19 AM, SRQbass said:That's what we call them here in Florida, Googan pretty much means bad/annoying fisherman.
Go on pier some time, you will know what a Googan is.
On 12/5/2014 at 3:22 PM, SirSnookalot said:Go on pier some time, you will know what a Googan is.
Michigan has recently raised the limit on the number of rods one person can use to three. You should hear the uproar on some of our west side piers!
Happens to me all the time. I feel like on the waters near me boaters think the have more of a right to the water than shore bound anglers I sat up on a spot everyday I would fish for about an hour in between college class (about 3 years ago). There was a ledge about 20 yards from shore that started in rip rap and dropped in sunken trees, best spot I ever fished I would catch about 20 2-4lbers in that hour but it never failed every time a boater would ride past and see me pulling in fish after fish they would drop the power poles down and cut me off. I even had a couple ask me what I was throwing to be successful. When I would get mad they told me that it wasn't a tournament so what was the big deal? This made me have a general resentment towards all boaters (sorry to the decent, respectful boaters out there )
And people wonder why my cam is in a upward angle. I think Sky is the BEST background ever.
I used run into these types all of the time. As a shore fisherman, it happens often. I made two changes this past season which made my fishing a lot more enjoyable. First I did most of my fishing early in the morning during the week and second my attire always consisted of a green shirt or jacket, camo hat and sunglasses. Seems a lot of people would mistake me for somebody else when I had on that attire.
Happens in utah way to much, way to many people and not enough water, esspecially one of my local fishing spots. Place gets abused way to much, over harvesting and personal space is thrown to the wind by these people. One day I was on the bank tossing a jointed shad rap that had done well for me in the past and I nailed 6 nice wippers (hybrid bass) in a row in about 30 minutes of fishing. After I landed and reliesed my secound fish a guy walked over from the spot him and his brother where fishing in, rod in hand he starts asking me about what I am using so I show him cause I was just there for fun so I didnt care and he started the conversation in a friendly manner. After that I kept catching fish after fish him standing right next to me casting right in the same spot. I didnt really care acutally thought it was kinda funny cause his lure of choice wasnt even close to what I was throwing so I just laughed it off thinking this dude has no hope. Another time though was not a laughing manner, me and a buddie where fishing within 20ft of the bank in a canoe and we landed a couple nice bass for that lake, next thing you know a guy in a bass boat (not comon in this lake as its very small) came around the corner just as we where landing a nice 4 pounder and he cut right in between us, right over top the spot with all the fish casting into in as they went over. Had we not be in the canoe and pretty much helpless aginst the bass boat I would have had some very choice words for his and his buddies. Common courtesy is something that is dying in this country
Should had hopped up into his boat. he would have gotten the message at that point. Me and my uncle were fish a tournament we were on a good spot just catching fish. This guy come up right next to us and casts over are boat he throws in a lucky craft square bill hooks a 4 pounder it jumps in our boat with out a word we cut his line keep the crank and let the fish go he immeadlty left after he said a few words.
On 12/8/2014 at 10:28 AM, Matthew2000 said:Should had hopped up into his boat. he would have gotten the message at that point. Me and my uncle were fish a tournament we were on a good spot just catching fish. This guy come up right next to us and casts over are boat he throws in a lucky craft square bill hooks a 4 pounder it jumps in our boat with out a word we cut his line keep the crank and let the fish go he immeadlty left after he said a few words.
I'm gonna take a pass on this story.. ...lol.
Hootie
On 12/8/2014 at 10:28 AM, Matthew2000 said:Should had hopped up into his boat. he would have gotten the message at that point. Me and my uncle were fish a tournament we were on a good spot just catching fish. This guy come up right next to us and casts over are boat he throws in a lucky craft square bill hooks a 4 pounder it jumps in our boat with out a word we cut his line keep the crank and let the fish go he immeadlty left after he said a few words.
A good fish story, I'd need to see the video on that one.
That's why I like to go fishing when it gets cold outside. A lot of that type tend to stay home.
On 12/8/2014 at 10:28 AM, Matthew2000 said:Should had hopped up into his boat. he would have gotten the message at that point. Me and my uncle were fish a tournament we were on a good spot just catching fish. This guy come up right next to us and casts over are boat he throws in a lucky craft square bill hooks a 4 pounder it jumps in our boat with out a word we cut his line keep the crank and let the fish go he immeadlty left after he said a few words.
Gonna need some proof on this story...Great story though nonetheless!
I take people with a grain of salt.that bein said i can hang with anyone bein a ahole or simpleton.all you gotta do is out class them,i can be a complete king ***** if i have to thing is im acting so i sleep good at night knowing im a great guy and the ones i dealt with live a misareable life.
Run into this quite a bit with hardcore bass-only guys at my late fall musky spot.. accidentally had a mishap one time from the shore, though.
story time:
Was fishing for some musky by a pile of downed brush in the water from the shore, burning a double-showgirl bucktail to bulge the surface, and got into a small musky, unhooked, let it go.
guy came down, threw his stuff on the ground behind me and started yelling that I was in his spot (what the...) so.. being a bit of an aggressive person, I decided biting my tongue and not even responding was the best solution, so he sat up and started fishing over my line, an elbow's width from me, hooked my huge spinner coming through the water, which consequently broke his dainty little line off (get out of here with your 4 lb test, my 65lb powerpro says NO NO sir.)
So he moved to the other side of me, and set his rod down (apparently behind me). Now this is where the problem was.. I was still keeping my cool, haven't said a word yet at all. The bank behind me, slopes down very sharply to meet a little flat area (where I was fishing) Well.. he set his rod down behind me, and when I whipped my 8'6" rod back, I hooked his rod and sailed it into the water (what little weight difference there is between a 2.5 oz bucktail and a small zebco rod.. oops )
he threw a fit, and I was laughing uncontrollably (can you blame me?)
he snapped his other rod over his knee, threw his tacklebox on the ground and stomped out of the area, so it all worked out.. got myself a couple small spinnerbaits and crawfish lures..
I earned a rather interesting nickname that day, first time I've ever been called it... "Pisshead"
I feel honored
One day I was fishing in my favorite spot, minding my own business, when out
from behind some bushes came a guy flailing and kicking and yelling.
I turned and looked, and it was Steven Seagal, but luckily I was fishing with Chuck Norris,
so we...... Ahh... never mind.This is as unbelievable as a couple of other stories in this thread.
Hootie
On 12/11/2014 at 7:37 PM, *Hootie said:One day I was fishing in my favorite spot, minding my own business, when out
from behind some bushes came a guy flailing and kicking and yelling.
I turned and looked, and it was Steven Seagal, but luckily I was fishing with Chuck Norris,
so we...... Ahh... never mind.This is as unbelievable as a couple of other stories in this thread.
Hootie
This is classic hahah
About 25 years ago I had a situation. I was fishing this creek when I was about 8 years old. I was catching bluegill after bluegill. I go to bait up and the next thing I know this big ole bully is in my spot. So I ever so calmly wind up my zebco rod and with a mighty swing that would have made Ruth proud hit him in the back. The next thing I know we are both wet cover ed in welts and bleeding from all over.
To this day that bully is still my best friend and fishing partner. When I got home my father was not pleased to say the least. For he had to explain to my mother why my older brother and I looked like we were in a bar room brawl.
To this day I say I was in the right and he swears he was.
One day when I was fishing my favorite spot, Hodie Snitch tried to run me off. I tore into him like a windmill in a hurricane and......wait a minute, that's Andy's story. Never mind.
Hootie
lol this thread's days are over
Fish stories are always good.
On 12/12/2014 at 2:59 AM, *Hootie said:One day when I was fishing my favorite spot, Hodie Snitch tried to run me off. I tore into him like a windmill in a hurricane and......wait a minute, that's Andy's story. Never mind.
Hootie
You are a hoot. I think I'd really enjoy fishing with you...I'd probably laugh the whole time.
On 12/13/2014 at 12:53 AM, masterbass said:You are a hoot. I think I'd really enjoy fishing with you...I'd probably laugh the whole time.
Thank you, but I would probably get on your nerves after a while...lol.
Sometimes I have trouble turning it off.
Hootie
That was 100% true believe it or not the guy was pretty cool about it though he later apologized for intruding.
Happens to me sometimes fishing from my friend's boat we'll be on a good spot and start catching some good ones and some guys will start "drifting" towards the point or break were fishing. Pretty soon they're fishing right next to us! Doesn't really bother me though.
Every "blow up" I have ever had in my 50 plus years of fishing has been with guys fishing in a tourney. Don't get me wrong, most fishermen will respect your water. But with all the different levels of tournament fishing and the desire to advance, the culture has changed. My last contact with a tourney fisherman came last summer on pool#9 on the Mississippi. I was fishing a narrow channel,(75 ft.) and had a bass boat come within 10 feet of me, wide open. Stopped 100 feet In front of me, dropped his trolling motor and trolled back to me. Asked if I would move because he had caught some "nice ones" pre fishing there. Normally I would have honored his request, but when I asked him why he came by me so fast and close his answer was " because I'm fishing for money and your just fishing for fun" Not the right answer. I spent a lot of money to get there. He left, I stayed there all day and caught some nice fish. Be nice to your fellow fisherman.
Reminds me of this:
That's hilarious!On 12/13/2014 at 12:40 PM, tomustang said:Reminds me of this:
I don't mind if they ask me, I have no issues. If they just but in and push their way in, I don't like it.
Happens to us all the time while panfishing. Never fails, start catching fish and the other boats start floating in.
The only thing a guy like that understands is a swift kick in the tail. Don't do that. Get you in trouble. But rack it up to experience and know what you're dealing with as you go forward in all walks of life.
Old school basser...
My wife and I rented a Carolina Skiff to fish Smith Mountain Lake for the first time last spring. We were in a tight cove tossing a frog and spinnerbait. A pair in an extremely nice looking Nitro motored right up to the mouth and then proceeded troll right through us with just a few feet between our boats. I was polite and asked how they were doing, but they ignored and tried to crowd us right out of there. My wife, on the other hand, was so ticked, she talked at them constantly..."where you from?" "nice weather, huh", "pretty boat"......until they finally said.."oh, are you guys bass fishing?" as if they couldn'f flipping tell....and then took off....jack wagons....most of the time, I'm extraordinarily easy going on the water, but these guys bugged me a lot worse than any others. Try killing them with kindness -- I think it ticked them off worse than if I'd have started cussing them out.
I was fishing a spot that is fished pretty hard. I was the only one there this day. A boat comes into the cove. I landed 2 bass and pike while they made their way in. The guys were hesitant at first and I said don't be scared you aren't bothering me. They never came in, just a bunch of snide comments about the fish are over here, you should cast over here, clearly out of my casting range. I told them that if I really wanted to get in a boat and fish I could do it, and outfish both of them. They laughed and started to continue to say that fish were over where they were. I caught a nice 3 lber in front of them and said over here seems to be working just fine, you guys have a great day. Then I left and went to a different spot on a different lake.
When I am in the boat I have a rod tied with a 2 oz punching weight. I will put dents in a boat if some moron decides to crowd me or cut me off and doesn't get the picture when I verbally warn them.
On 12/16/2014 at 1:36 AM, PersicoTrotaVA said:
When I am in the boat I have a rod tied with a 2 oz punching weight. I will put dents in a boat if some moron decides to crowd me or cut me off and doesn't get the picture when I verbally warn them.
I fish a lot of smaller water that isn't pressured much. I don't mind sharing but if someone comes up on me and starts to fish, I will let them know I don't feel comfortable with them being that close to me, it's a matter of safety not me being rude and wanting the spot to myself. There is a whole lake to fish, why come up to where I am just because that person saw me boat a fish?
If I was on a pressured lake or river then yes I would be much more forgiving. In tournaments when they ledge fish, they crowd up all the time. There are plenty of schooled fish so nobody minds. I wouldn't mind in that situation. But if I am in a tournament and working a shoreline during the dead of summer and someone pulls up and starts fishing in front of me, you can bet money I am going to say something about it. It's just rude to do that to someone and yes, I have had that happen before, and yes, I will sling a 2 oz punching weight into their boat.
Good luck with that then.... Don't be surprised when you get stuck with a bill to fix someone else's boat one day.
I'm not saying the person isn't a jerk... But that's not going to matter when it comes to the property damage inflicted by your weight. It's an almost certainty that even if it doesn't do damage, the guy will 'find' damage if he wanted to...Just not something I would want to get myself into.
People carry guns on their boat. ..my dad included.
A thread about docks not long ago mentioned a dock owner killing a boater.
If you want to throw objects at people don't be surprised if it returns in spades.
On 12/16/2014 at 3:35 AM, Stratos20SS said:
Really? Some of you guys need to get a grip on reality...It sucks to get crowded, but if you can't or don't want to move...Be defensive. Position your boat so the other guy can't get past, start working towards the other guy, anything to keep him from getting to your water. As long as I see someone coming, I can usually defend a spot pretty well if I want to.
No offense, but I believe your attitude towards this to be part of the problem. Acceptance of someone ignoring etiquette, be it in fishing or in everyday life, compounds the problem. Being defensive is nothing more than a passive-aggressive response, trying to get your way without addressing the real problem.
While I personally would never throw a 2 oz. weight at someone else's boat, I also won't let an offender get away with his actions without addressing it. I refuse to sit there and be a victim, the long term solution is to call out the person on their actions with the hope that the confrontation deters them from doing it to someone else in the future. I can be cordial and address their actions as the problem (as opposed to they being the problem), most people still have some sense of decorum buried deep beneath their ignorant exteriors. They may leave me muttering curse words about my mother, but I have faith that the message will eventually sink in & they will change their behavior.
On 12/16/2014 at 2:19 PM, RSM789 said:No offense, but I believe your attitude towards this to be part of the problem. Acceptance of someone ignoring etiquette, be it in fishing or in everyday life, compounds the problem. Being defensive is nothing more than a passive-aggressive response, trying to get your way without addressing the real problem.
While I personally would never throw a 2 oz. weight at someone else's boat, I also won't let an offender get away with his actions without addressing it. I refuse to sit there and be a victim, the long term solution is to call out the person on their actions with the hope that the confrontation deters them from doing it to someone else in the future. I can be cordial and address their actions as the problem (as opposed to they being the problem), most people still have some sense of decorum buried deep beneath their ignorant exteriors. They may leave me muttering curse words about my mother, but I have faith that the message will eventually sink in & they will change their behavior.
Man 6 pages and it looks like I'm the only one that admitted to crowding someone once and awhile. All you guys are better men than me.
Ps mind telling me how and when to get to all these open fishing hot spots?
On 12/16/2014 at 10:05 PM, EvanT123 said:Man 6 pages and it looks like I'm the only one that admitted to crowding someone once and awhile. All you guys are better men than me.
Ps mind telling me how and when to get to all these open fishing hot spots?
Fish at Night ~
A-Jay
On 12/16/2014 at 10:05 PM, EvanT123 said:Man 6 pages and it looks like I'm the only one that admitted to crowding someone once and awhile. All you guys are better men than me.
Ps mind telling me how and when to get to all these open fishing hot spots?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gciFoEbOA8#t=17s
This sort of thing happens all the time. 3 most memorable from this year would have to be:
1. While prefishing a lake I had little previous experience on I had flipped a section of docks and the quickly continued down the bank just to see if there was anything ahead worth trying. I caught a dogfish and I believe that's what triggered this 14' boat with 4 people in it to head my way. I kept going down the bank but it got very shallow and stumpy (1' to 1 1/2') proceeded to catch a bass. As I'm unhooking it I noticed this boat cutting in front of me. They're bumping stumps and kicking up a mud trail yet they keep on going until they're in front of me and proceed to anchor in a foot of water. Honestly didn't even bother me given that I wasn't going to keep going anyway but just highlights the stupidity out there.
2. Fishing in the Bass Trek Challenge in La Crosse a boat had pulled up on a very long extended point and fished it for roughly an hour and a half. Did not see them boat a fish. To stay out of their way my dad and I cut over the point close to the bank and when we did I caught two nice keepers on back to back casts and by the time I turn around to throw the second one in the livewell this boat had kicked their tm on high and were about 50 feet off the back of the boat.
3. Probably the most memorable of the year. Fishing down the side of an island and stop at the point. There's a tree in the water and some pads around it. No more than pull up and a pontoon with 4 middle aged guys pulls up within 20 feet straight off my bow and drop anchors. Nothing was said, just proceeded to catch 3 bass off the tree and then moved on.
Stuff like this happens a handful of times a year and I'm not sure if it's due to people just not caring or ignorance, but it get's annoying.
Here's a picture from the Potomac this year. Including me, there are 5 boats in this picture... With another 3 or 4 that were behind me. This spot is about 100 yards long. This is normal for the river and even that boat closest to me wasn't too close by Potomac standards. Everyone got along and for the most part, everyone caught fish.
Just to show that you can fish close to other boats and not get ugly.
I put to on high and beat a boat to a small point of a small cove. The boat was still 200+ yards away...I caught a bass. Fair or foul?
If you have to ask.......
Honestly, it depends. 200 yds is plenty....IF I'm at anchor or adrift...or going the other way. However, if you stop 200yds down the bank in the direction I'm trolling and flipping, you'd best get in and get out.....or start moving away from me at a pace equal to or faster than me....IMHO. The guys that park in my path get my goat as well as those with no sense of personal fishing space
On 12/17/2014 at 3:48 AM, Stratos20SS said:Just to show that you can fish close to other boats and not get ugly.
Fishing close to someone was never the point of this thread. What bothers many of us is when another fisherman breaches basic etiquette and does something rude in an effort to get to fish before you do. It is a lack of respect towards another person.
Here is an analogy. Lets say your neighbor does a poor job cleaning up after his dogs in your suburban neighborhood. His lack of etiquette means there is a stinky smell permeating your yard. Now you can play defense as you say and just get a couple of large fans to blow the stench elsewhere, but that doesn't solve the problem, it only pushes the problem onto someone else. Solving the problem requires confronting the perpetrator and telling them that their behavior will not be tolerated. Anything short of that just emboldens them.
On 12/17/2014 at 6:44 AM, RSM789 said:Fishing close to someone was never the point of this thread. What bothers many of us is when another fisherman breaches basic etiquette and does something rude in an effort to get to fish before you do. It is a lack of respect towards another person.
Here is an analogy. Lets say your neighbor does a poor job cleaning up after his dogs in your suburban neighborhood. His lack of etiquette means there is a stinky smell permeating your yard. Now you can play defense as you say and just get a couple of large fans to blow the stench elsewhere, but that doesn't solve the problem, it only pushes the problem onto someone else. Solving the problem requires confronting the perpetrator and telling them that their behavior will not be tolerated. Anything short of that just emboldens them.
The picture is somewhat unrelated, just an anecdote on the thread.
Go read what I've actually written, I know what bothers people...It bothers me too and I do address it. We're talking about the same thing. The difference is, it just doesn't bother me to the point where I worry about changing society. I worry about fishing.
Your continued requests for others to go back & read what you have written does not change their content. Based on what you wrote, we are not talking about the same thing.
No problem with that, I would just be hypocritical to not point it out.
I'm confused...Your original 'complaint' about my post on the ridiculously terrible idea of launching flipping weights at other boats was that I am somehow 'letting people get away with it' by not confronting them.
What I've said (in that post and the ones following) is that I will put my boat in their way so they can't do what they are trying, or say something if it's really blatant.....How is that letting them get away with it?
We are both talking about getting spot jumped by rude fisherman...You're also hung up on some societal aspect of it. I'm just hung up on fishing and I don't think it's that big of a deal.
Either way, carry on with the thread. I'm out.
You are correct that you are confused. Please don't mischaracterize my comments as "complaints", they aren't. They are an explanation of the different response you have to rude anglers compared to many of us.
You choose to not confront the offender, instead to take defensive actions to keep the person away from your water in an apparent effort to have them go bother someone else. Some of us choose to confront the offender, in the same way one stands up to a bully in order to make them change their actions.
Different strokes for different folks, but I apparently have ruffled your feathers by pointing out that your actions don't address the problem, but instead just pushes it off to someone else. I hope that clears it up for you.
On 12/16/2014 at 6:04 AM, Montanaro said:People carry guns on their boat. ..my dad included.
A thread about docks not long ago mentioned a dock owner killing a boater.
If you want to throw objects at people don't be surprised if it returns in spades.
This is one reason I don't often fish with people, tempers flair and I don't want to be around some hot head.
For the most part I agree with Stratos. I'd just as soon go find another place, a fish is not worth a confrontation.
On 12/17/2014 at 2:54 PM, SirSnookalot said:This is one reason I don't often fish with people, tempers flair and I don't want to be around some hot head.
For the most part I agree with Stratos. I'd just as soon go find another place, a fish is not worth a confrontation.
That's me Snook.The lake's too big, life is too short. I'm there to fish, not inflate my ego, or deflate someone else's.... lol.
You want the spot I'm fishing that bad, it's all yours....have a nice day.
Hootie
I've been annoyed by morons. My fave is the guy that comes with all his kids and let's them run amok while he sits and fishes (drinks beer). They get in the water, mess with your stuff, etc. With that said, I have a little different take. Earlier in the year, I had the pleasure of helping a young man with a young family with some new tackle. A lot of it was donated by you guys here. I met him because he was fishing the same public pond one day and saw me catch a decent bass. He came over and immediately started fishing beside me...even crossing me. At first I was irritated until I talked to him a little and realized that he might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer. All I had to do was remind him to give me some space so we could both fish and he immediately did. Long story short, I made a friend. Same thing at the same pond in 2013. Met a different kid that was the same way although this kid was, I believe, mentally retarded. (Not trying to offend anyone with that, nor am I making fun of him). I would remind him to not get so close and he would happily back off. Rather than being mad, I assessed the situation for what it was and decided to have some compassion. In both cases, I made friends and am happy to see either one of them when I go. The guy I gave the tackle to has become a regular fishing buddy and we go to different places together....something he might not ordinarily get to do.
It is one thing to confront someone who has violated your personal space or attacked you physically, it is something else entirely to physically attack someone because he is fishing too close. I am not afraid of a physical confrontation if it is necessary to protect me or mine, but to risk jail time or worse for a fishing spot is not the way mature men behave in my opinion. Of course some of this may just be internet machismo-it is easy to be bad anonymously.
I think I just pulled a keyboard muscle.
On 12/18/2014 at 2:30 AM, J Francho said:I think I just pulled a keyboard muscle.
Just rub some dirt on it...
I dont care as long as someone aint touchin me,,then it goes from there .i, am pro i can adapt to any situation.as was said in one post fish defense its easy and i love pissssssin morons off.I have fished farm ponds with cattle in the water invading my space it didnt bother the fish at all.
I ask a person straight out. Why did you walk all the way over to me & start fishing so close ? If you do not give me a decent amount of space to enjoy fishing I will cast right over your line & cut it off of mine. Most people then say something of a lie. I then say I do not like you.
That usually frees up my space.
Almost had a ride in the ambulance with a persistent buddy.
On 12/18/2014 at 1:35 AM, Jaderose said:I've been annoyed by morons. My fave is the guy that comes with all his kids and let's them run amok while he sits and fishes (drinks beer). They get in the water, mess with your stuff, etc. With that said, I have a little different take. Earlier in the year, I had the pleasure of helping a young man with a young family with some new tackle. A lot of it was donated by you guys here. I met him because he was fishing the same public pond one day and saw me catch a decent bass. He came over and immediately started fishing beside me...even crossing me. At first I was irritated until I talked to him a little and realized that he might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer. All I had to do was remind him to give me some space so we could both fish and he immediately did. Long story short, I made a friend. Same thing at the same pond in 2013. Met a different kid that was the same way although this kid was, I believe, mentally retarded. (Not trying to offend anyone with that, nor am I making fun of him). I would remind him to not get so close and he would happily back off. Rather than being mad, I assessed the situation for what it was and decided to have some compassion. In both cases, I made friends and am happy to see either one of them when I go. The guy I gave the tackle to has become a regular fishing buddy and we go to different places together....something he might not ordinarily get to do.
You just did an excellent job of illustrating the difference between ignorance & stupidity. I have all the time in the world for the person who doesn't know, but is willing to listen & learn from someone who does (like the folks you mentioned). Accidental rudeness stemming from enthusiasm is not a problem.
Stupidity or crassness, knowing better but not caring, is what I refuse to let slide. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about getting into an altercation over a fishing spot, like Hootie said, if you want the spot that bad, you can have it. I am just going to look that person in the eye and let them know what they did is B.S. I believe that a few won't care but that for most, the shame of being called out for being an ass will linger long enough for them to think twice before they do it to someone else.
On 12/18/2014 at 12:06 PM, RSM789 said:You just did an excellent job of illustrating the difference between ignorance & stupidity. I have all the time in the world for the person who doesn't know, but is willing to listen & learn from someone who does (like the folks you mentioned). Accidental rudeness stemming from enthusiasm is not a problem.
Stupidity or crassness, knowing better but not caring, is what I refuse to let slide. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about getting into an altercation over a fishing spot, like Hootie said, if you want the spot that bad, you can have it. I am just going to look that person in the eye and let them know what they did is B.S. I believe that a few won't care but that for most, the shame of being called out for being an ass will linger long enough for them to think twice before they do it to someone else.
100% agree. I have no problem checking a fool. I just make sure they ARE a fool that needs checked first.
The second you purposely damage someone's property just because they were rude is when you are no better than they are and maybe even worse, you need anger management if you lob 2OZ weights at people fishing to close.... lol
I will call someone out, But I'm not gonna sit there and argue knowing the other person isn't gonna change their mind.
Vandalism - Action involving deliberate destruction of or damage to public or private property.