Everybody's an expert 2024
slonezp reply :
Seems everybody's an expert fisherman nowadays posting their fishing exploits and equipment reviews on youtube. The challenge of catching fish takes a backseat to gaining a following. Were it not for the editing process, their fishing trips would be just as boring an uneventful as mine
Just an observation.
K_Mac reply :
Slone the older I get the more boring and uneventful a appeals to me! Generally speaking, eventful costs me money...
A-Jay reply :
On 7/19/2016 at 7:23 AM, slonezp said:Seems everybody's an expert fisherman nowadays posting their fishing exploits on youtube.
Just an observation.
Especially before, during & immediately after the Spawn - and then it really seems to taper off quite a bit until about mid-September.
btw - I'm definitely in that crowd . .
A-Jay
Catt reply :
Yea there's a lot of fishing going on...not much catching!
S. Sass reply :
Well glad you guys shared that. I don't feel as bad for last Saturday. I didn't get skunked but it sure was slow. And I had on and off again cloud cover with a light wind I was thinking it was going to be awesome.
Got on the water went to one of my better points to the drop off threw a little old Zoom utail motor oil chartreuse tail worm and it was on they literally ripped it's tail off and finally I set the hook in a roughly 2# LM. The next 8hrs my partner hooked a 11inch LM but other than that the fish were holding steady nothing seemed to perk their interest.
I chalked it up to learning and it was very nice out there temp wise so no loss enjoying nature.
whitwolf reply :
Expert and whitwolf don't go In the same sentence.
Now If you master the art of simply getting out and enjoying the water time whether you're fishing or catching I might just make It there!
Kmac, well stated!
flyfisher reply :
I prefer the unboxing videos myself....nothing cooler than seeing somebody open up tackle.
MassYak85 reply :
There aren't a ton of YouTube fishing guys I really follow in terms of serious fishing advice, keepinitreel and tac.tical.bassin are probably my favorites. Matt has some great advice and keepinitreel is nice because he is a northeast angler like me.
Master Bait'r reply :
On 7/19/2016 at 8:45 AM, flyfisher said:I prefer the unboxing videos myself....nothing cooler than seeing somebody open up tackle.
The bane of my existence right there.
MassYak85 reply :
On 7/19/2016 at 9:53 AM, Master Bait'r said:
The bane of my existence right there.
"And here we have X Plastic worm from XYZ Company in, oh hold on, let me check.......green pumpkin"
*Repeat 30 times*
Really boring IMO. The only time I like "unboxings" is if it is an unpackaging and review of a new lure, just to see if I might want to get it.
Rick Howard reply :
They are better than hunting videos! Lol.
nascar2428 reply :
Even after editing, they are are still boring and uneventful.IMO.
Brikon reply :
I wonder how many "Fishing Experts" can actually catch fish without using fancy gadets and fishing private lakes/ponds.
soflabasser reply :
On 7/19/2016 at 10:16 AM, Brikon said:I wonder how many "Fishing Experts" can actually catch fish without using fancy gadets and fishing private lakes/ponds.
^This! Anyone can catch a decent bass on a boat with decent gear,let's see some of these "pros" fish from land on public waters and see how well they actually do.
S. Sass reply :
On 7/19/2016 at 10:16 AM, Brikon said:I wonder how many "Fishing Experts" can actually catch fish without using fancy gadets and fishing private lakes/ponds.
They will still be well ahead of the novice. They spend so much more time on water they can search without electronics. But they would gripe the whole time about not having them. ?
K_Mac reply :
All the fancy gadgets and gear make fishing more fun, but without knowledge and skill it is of little value in my opinion.
I agree fishing public water that is heavily pressured generally requires greater skills. Of course plenty of video and good editing can even make guys like me and Slone look good!
Fisher-O-men reply :
On 7/19/2016 at 7:23 AM, slonezp said:Seems everybody's an expert fisherman nowadays posting their fishing exploits and equipment reviews on youtube. The challenge of catching fish takes a backseat to gaining a following. Were it not for the editing process, their fishing trips would be just as boring an uneventful as mine
Just an observation.
and yet we watch!
S. Sass reply :
On 7/19/2016 at 11:26 AM, Fisher-O-men said:and yet we watch!
Who is this "we" you speak of? 
thebillsman reply :
On 7/19/2016 at 10:04 AM, Rick Howard said:They are better than hunting videos! Lol.
Ain't that the truth. I have absolutely no idea how that makes for good television.
Jon G reply :
I can't stand when I look for a review on youtube and someone unboxes the product for the first time, reads off of what the package/tag says and then say how much they like it. It's not a review it's a first impression
Oregon Native reply :
Gosh.....sounds like l'm not missing much by going to utube. I'll just stick to a little Bass Resource with my tea in the morning and call it good. Well maybe a little Tackle Wharehouse too sometimes!!!
Preytorien reply :
I thought I was the only one. I subscribe to a few channels on YouTube, but none of them are fishing. There was even one pretty famous guy on these boards I used to follow, but I stopped since he seemed to deviate from his original excellent videos. I do from time to time re-watch them.
It's up to anyone how far and what path they choose when they get serious about a hobby, but for me, I just like being outdoors at a time of day when most people are asleep and enjoying not listening to cars, music, people, or the clicking of a keyboard and mouse.
BassB8Caster reply :
For the most part I agree with everyone here. It has gotten out of hand. People are putting anything and everything on youtube. I do however find it interesting the special effects and quality of some of the videos. People can do some cool stuff. But being new to bass fishing, my goal is to get as good as I can. I absolutely love the sport. I love everything about bass fishing. I always want to learn more. What I really want is to further my true knowledge of the large mouth and small mouth bass. Further and sharpen my skill set. I don't want to watch a video of someone's lucky catch. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing a huge bass caught. But my time spent is for my improvement. It's true, nothing beats experience. Time on the water fishing is invaluable. Teach me why you fish and area. Why that lure, why that retrieval etc. TV shows and videos with 85% brand pushing is a huge turnoff. I understand why they do it. But no offense, I don't care. I love fishing, the sport, the quality of life I get from doing it.
Derekbass02 reply :
While some trips I hardly catch anything last saturday I was getting bites in ever 3/5 casts. One time I got four bites in 1 cast. Only problem was the average size was under 10 inches and the biggest was a 15 inch one that was super skinny. I was fishing a Stik-O and one cast a bass pulled it off the hook and while I was reeling the hook in a bass struck. The next day fishing was rather slow. I only caught a bunch of dinks. Some days are slow, Some day are really slow, and some days aren't slow.
buzzed bait reply :
i can't get on youtube from my office and that's where i spend most all my time online. sometimes i'm angry that i can't watch a video or two, but then most times i remember what garbage i watched on there the last time and i come right back to the forums.... probably blocked for a good reason i guess!
gimruis reply :
On 7/19/2016 at 10:04 AM, Rick Howard said:They are better than hunting videos! Lol.
And it seems like these days that virtually all of the hunting videos are archery hunting for deer, which generally results with a monster buck arrowed in the last 5 minutes. Anyone that deer hunts knows that doesn't happen more than once or twice in a lifetime of hunting
Fisher-O-men reply :
On 7/19/2016 at 11:55 AM, S. Sass said:Who is this "we" you speak of?
You know!
slonezp reply :
On 7/19/2016 at 10:41 AM, K_Mac said:All the fancy gadgets and gear make fishing more fun, but without knowledge and skill it is of little value in my opinion.
I agree fishing public water that is heavily pressured generally requires greater skills. Of course plenty of video and good editing can even make guys like me and Slone look good!
Once you master long arming a fish, the rest is easy
bigbill reply :
Watching fishing videos is for the wintertime. Fishing is for the warmer weather. Apply all the things you learned over the winter on the water.
everythingthatswims reply :
I think y'all are upset that "kids" can catch them too
K_Mac reply :
On 7/20/2016 at 2:51 AM, everythingthatswims said:I think y'all are upset that "kids" can catch them too
You're a absolutely right! Darned kids. STAY OFF MY LAWN!
slonezp reply :
On 7/20/2016 at 2:51 AM, everythingthatswims said:I think y'all are upset that "kids" can catch them too
Not at all.
Let me ask you this, since you brought up youth. How does making a video with the intention of getting people to like or follow you, make you better at the sport? I believe it to be a rarity that fishing and equipment review youtube videos are made for the benefit of those that are watching them. The reality is none of you "kids" are doing something that hasn't been done before.
Why aren't you "kids" making videos on how to read sonar or how to read a topo map or how to follow weather and moon patterns or how to chose presentations based on water temperature and clarity or how to fish current or how to fish a break or how to eliminate unproductive water? The answer is twofold. First, it's because you don't know how, and secondly because it's not entertaining.....to kids
So, go stroke your ego and get people to "like" you and when your done doing that hopefully, they'll still be enough time in your life to learn how to fish
and while you're at it, get off my lawn LOL
gimruis reply :
On 7/20/2016 at 7:38 AM, K_Mac said:You're a absolutely right! Darned kids. STAY OFF MY LAWN!
Good one!
slonezp reply :
And to show you what a good sport I am, I'll be first in line to watch and even purchase a video by Catt or WRB or WayneP or Dwight or Paul Roberts. Possibly A Jay but I don't think I could get thru an entire video listening to that Boston accent. Thank God he does more fishing than talking.
A-Jay reply :
On 7/20/2016 at 8:26 AM, slonezp said:And to show you what a good sport I am, I'll be first in line to watch and even purchase a video by Catt or WRB or WayneP or Dwight or Paul Roberts. Possibly A Jay but I don't think I could get thru an entire video listening to that Boston accent. Thank God he does more fishing than talking.
A-Jay
soflabasser reply :
On 7/19/2016 at 10:04 AM, Rick Howard said:They are better than hunting videos! Lol.
Most types of hunting are boring to watch, but there are certain types of hunting that are entertaining.
Ratherbfishing reply :
In the age of Social media (of which this site is one example), people (and especially youth) have somehow come to believe that the world hangs on their every word and action. Maybe (spoiler alert) its' like telling a child their is no Santa Claus or Easter Bunny but, sorry, we really don't care. We're too busy finding Pokeman.
d-camarena reply :
On 7/20/2016 at 2:51 AM, everythingthatswims said:I think y'all are upset that "kids" can catch them too
Lol no, slonezp summed it up
J Francho reply :
You gotta post them up to maintain the 10% discount you're getting for "pro-staffing." lol.
bigbill reply :
When there is kids fishing next to me if they show interest in how I fish I stop and help them. Some are surprised to catch bass. Helping the youth is number one.
Then I get adults(older man) who ask me if lures work as I pull out a 2lb bass before I could answer him he says I guess they do. Then he sees me using scents and he asks do scents work as I pull out my next 2 1/2 lb bass he says I guess they do. Then he asked me to scent his spinnerbait. I did. He caught nothing. Why bring one bait, use it for hours? Other fisherman watch me and the next night they have new lures, new rods, reels and tackleboxes. I guess I raised there interest in bass fishing. I'm a field salesman.
J Francho reply :
On 7/21/2016 at 4:14 AM, bigbill said:I'm a field salesman.
Nah, you're more than that. You're an ambassador to the sport. Good job!
bigbill reply :
Most novice fishermen are beaten before they go out. They say I never catch anything. Even the kids. Then I step in. They leave with there confidence way up. It's a teaching about life. You can do anything you put your mind to do. Just stay motivated and focused.
I'm no pro, but the local bass fear me Lmao.
Paul Roberts reply :
On 7/20/2016 at 8:26 AM, slonezp said:And to show you what a good sport I am, I'll be first in line to watch and even purchase a video by Catt or WRB or WayneP or Dwight or Paul Roberts.
Well.... I've been working on just such an animal: a video documentary on bass behavior, shot from both above and below. Got the spawn pretty much wrapped up and am working my way through the year. Not sure where to put it: YT, Vimeo, a pro videographer I know suggested I contact outdoor channels. I don't think I have the visual quality to make TV though. I'm shooting in/on public waters with clarity limitations (there's a reason Glen Lau moved to FL), but I've got some good stuff. As to fishing vids, I'm making some of those too -with actual content. We'll see how it all shakes out. Not ready to publish yet. Quality takes time.
everythingthatswims reply :
On 7/20/2016 at 7:47 AM, slonezp said:Not at all.
Let me ask you this, since you brought up youth. How does making a video with the intention of getting people to like or follow you, make you better at the sport? I believe it to be a rarity that fishing and equipment review youtube videos are made for the benefit of those that are watching them. The reality is none of you "kids" are doing something that hasn't been done before.
Why aren't you "kids" making videos on how to read sonar or how to read a topo map or how to follow weather and moon patterns or how to chose presentations based on water temperature and clarity or how to fish current or how to fish a break or how to eliminate unproductive water? The answer is twofold. First, it's because you don't know how, and secondly because it's not entertaining.....to kids
So, go stroke your ego and get people to "like" you and when your done doing that hopefully, they'll still be enough time in your life to learn how to fish
and while you're at it, get off my lawn LOL
There are a lot of channels out there with people who fit the stereotype that is being discussed in this thread, but there are a handful of fishermen on YouTube that I have learned a lot from, just like I learn on here.
frogflogger reply :
Youtube? There are guys fishing on youtube? Huh. what is youtube
Paul Roberts reply :
There is a lot of fishing content on YT, actually. But, it seems some of the most popular vlogs appear to be primarily social in nature, rather than content oriented. The audiences for these seem to be young people. YT is the new TV.
contium reply :
There are a lot of good fishing shows on youtube. There are even more bad ones. I mean who really needs to see someone eating breakfast before fishing? My favorite is when a guy fishes all day, catches one or two fish and then discuses the "pattern" the fish were on and starts whoring out the tackle he used including stuff he didn't catch fish on lol.
HeavyDluxe reply :
Hey, look... there's good content and bad content, to be sure. But I don't know how any sportsman can see this raft of content from younger outdoorsy people as a bad thing (assuming it's not the disrespectful-to-others, jackass crap).
We're under increasing pressure from all sides to see fishing and hunting access curtailed. And there are more and more things competing for our young people's attention. I, for one, am very glad there are some other seemingly decent kids out there catching my kid's attention with fishing and enjoying time with friends more than playing Rokepon Jump or Go or whatever it is. It makes my kids wanna get off their butts and fish with their friends. That's a win, people.
More than that, I think you're underestimating some of these anglers. Two things:
- Youtube has, to a certain degree, made content more 'real'... Because production can happen at the drop of a hat, vloggers will post video of a day they get skunked on the water because, well, people will watch it anyway and they'll head back out tomorrow to just film more. I actually appreciate the honesty of them posting days getting skunked more than I appreciate the highly-glossed, clearly manufactured stuff that passes for most fishing shows.
- I can't help but think that most of these kids would easily keep pace with us on any body of water... And, honestly, I bet they'd whip most of us. It takes a special kinda stupid to spend that much time on the water and not actually learn to be a better angler. I'm jealous of them, truthfully.
In the end, many of these yootoobers have figured out a way to make a living (or at least earn some spending cash or just have fun) doing something they love. There are a whole ton of weekend angler dreamers around here who'd love to do the same.
Not all the content is good... but all this content IS good for the sport and sportsman alike, I think.
slonezp reply :
On 7/24/2016 at 3:13 AM, HeavyDluxe said:Hey, look... there's good content and bad content, to be sure. But I don't know how any sportsman can see this raft of content from younger outdoorsy people as a bad thing (assuming it's not the disrespectful-to-others, jackass crap).
We're under increasing pressure from all sides to see fishing and hunting access curtailed. And there are more and more things competing for our young people's attention. I, for one, am very glad there are some other seemingly decent kids out there catching my kid's attention with fishing and enjoying time with friends more than playing Rokepon Jump or Go or whatever it is. It makes my kids wanna get off their butts and fish with their friends. That's a win, people.
More than that, I think you're underestimating some of these anglers. Two things:
- Youtube has, to a certain degree, made content more 'real'... Because production can happen at the drop of a hat, vloggers will post video of a day they get skunked on the water because, well, people will watch it anyway and they'll head back out tomorrow to just film more. I actually appreciate the honesty of them posting days getting skunked more than I appreciate the highly-glossed, clearly manufactured stuff that passes for most fishing shows.
- I can't help but think that most of these kids would easily keep pace with us on any body of water... And, honestly, I bet they'd whip most of us. It takes a special kinda stupid to spend that much time on the water and not actually learn to be a better angler. I'm jealous of them, truthfully.
In the end, many of these yootoobers have figured out a way to make a living (or at least earn some spending cash or just have fun) doing something they love. There are a whole ton of weekend angler dreamers around here who'd love to do the same.
Not all the content is good... but all this content IS good for the sport and sportsman alike, I think.
While I don't disagree with you, I think young people trying to push products rather than push the sport is doing a disservice. to the young people watching the videos. I'd much rather see a kid show another kid how to bait a hook and cast a line than talk about his Shimano reel and Loomis rod and KVD crankbait....and it's not only kids. Plenty of adults filming themselves catching 15" bass editing the videos with a heavy metal song and posting the videos online.
I mentioned earlier, education is what sells the sport and makes people better fisherman, not some mope sight fishing with senkos
hoosierbass07 reply :
I subscribe to a lot of youtube fishing channels. Seems recently there are a lot of travel videos/blogs showing the fishermen hooking up with each other and fishing. I don't find that stuff too interesting, particularly when a good number of them seem to be kids/teens. Watching them drive on an interstate, stopping and eating lunch, then going fishing with their youtube buddies is not interesting to me. I'm not impressed by people going to famous lakes that hold large bass and catching large bass.
I've tried to do some fishing videos in the past and have a few with high viewer counts but, it takes a lot of video to do those videos. At least for me, I had my video camera on almost all the time and most of the time I was not catching anything. So I ended up with a lot of boring video. Plus, for me it is a hassle to set up my camera on my kayak. OK, not really a hassle, but when I take three rods, a ton of fishing lures, then it all becomes a hassle and not fun anymore.
I did watch a video were a group of young guys walked around ICAST and seem to act sort of childish or punk like. I'm totally turned off by that sort of behavior. Adults joking around with adults at ICAST is fine. Young people joking around at ICAST is not.
d-camarena reply :
I saw that too, very immature
beardown34 reply :
it seems like the feelings on this subject vary fairly predictably by age -- both chronologic age and fishing-experience age. i'm not too much older than the youtubers presumably in question (the crew of Jon B, APbassin, 1rod, LunkersTV). a big difference is i'm married with kids.
i only began fishing last year, but if i could have spent a large portion of my younger years (1) fishing; (2) screwing around with close friends; (3) fishing while screwing around with close friends, i definitely would haven done it. Jon B's first posted video has an upload date of 2009, and he looks like he's barely a teenager. that gives me the sense that he flat out loves fishing, not that he wants to peddle product. it's not their fault that there was a simultaneous emergence of gopro's and high quality mobile videos are infinitely more available now than in all of our past's, and (platforms like youtube, snapchat, instagram, that can broadcast such videos. and as they are now college aged and older and it's time to make some money, why not merge that responsibility with their hobby? if i could have made money having fun with friends and fishing as opposed to working the graveyard shift at the computer lab, you better believe i would have.
i'm not defending them from a personal standpoint as i don't know any of them (although it appears Jon B is also in the north Chicagoland), but i definitely do find their channels and content amusing and educational. plus, take or leave the music, but the video production on at least one of those channels is pretty remarkable for a 'normal guy.'
for me, it's immeasurably helpful to be able to watch someone fish from the bank -- positioning, casting and hookset mechanics, working a lure, landing and releasing the fish. i realize all of this is second nature to a lot of folks and is not worth watching -- that's not their fault. i've never bought any retail product because of their videos (but even if i did, so what?), but i have definitely improved various presentations because of them.
and it's only with the tremendous breadth of information available online (not just their channels) that i've been able to introduce the sport of fishing to my 5 and 3 year olds.
it seems to me the hosts of other available fishing content all look like this. talk about product pimping.
HeavyDluxe reply :
On 7/24/2016 at 8:19 AM, slonezp said:While I don't disagree with you, I think young people trying to push products rather than push the sport is doing a disservice. to the young people watching the videos. I'd much rather see a kid show another kid how to bait a hook and cast a line than talk about his Shimano reel and Loomis rod and KVD crankbait....and it's not only kids. Plenty of adults filming themselves catching 15" bass editing the videos with a heavy metal song and posting the videos online.
I mentioned earlier, education is what sells the sport and makes people better fisherman, not some mope sight fishing with senkos
Thanks for the reply.
FWIW, I think the unboxing videos isn't "pushing products" and the like... C'mon. We're bass fisherman. Every one of us looks at new baits/rigs/lures and wonder whether they're going to be the secret voodoo that will entice the fish to bite better. (I seem to recall a ton of Ned-Rig-as-Lord-and-Savior posts on here at a time.)
Truth is that studies have shown that the younger generation is the MOST skeptical of advertising. So, I'm not sure everyone's rushing out to buy [bait x] just because [youtube fisherman with cool EDM playing in his vids] made an unboxing vid on them. But, I bet there are people starting who find those ideas and labels really helpful.
Finally, if the mope sight fishing with senkos is catching fish, I think that's the definition of a good fisherman.
Mosster47 reply :
In the internet video world there is Matt Allen, pro anglers shoving sponsors down your throat, regular guys shoving sponsors down your throat, regular guys that decided to buy a GoPro, and kids that got a GoPro for X-mas.
hoosierbass07 reply :
On 7/24/2016 at 8:56 AM, d-camarena said:I saw that too, very immature
Yep, I didn't watch the whole video because of that. But I will say, at least these young people are doing things in the outdoors. Anything that gets people (young and older) in the outdoors is a good thing.
slonezp reply :
On 7/24/2016 at 10:03 AM, HeavyDluxe said:Thanks for the reply.
FWIW, I think the unboxing videos isn't "pushing products" and the like... C'mon. We're bass fisherman. Every one of us looks at new baits/rigs/lures and wonder whether they're going to be the secret voodoo that will entice the fish to bite better. (I seem to recall a ton of Ned-Rig-as-Lord-and-Savior posts on here at a time.)
Truth is that studies have shown that the younger generation is the MOST skeptical of advertising. So, I'm not sure everyone's rushing out to buy [bait x] just because [youtube fisherman with cool EDM playing in his vids] made an unboxing vid on them. But, I bet there are people starting who find those ideas and labels really helpful.
Finally, if the mope sight fishing with senkos is catching fish, I think that's the definition of a good fisherman.
I'm not knocking senkos, just the mopes There's more to bass fishing and fishing in general than just beating the banks. Here's a thought. Tell me why you cast or pitch to a particular spot. I believe the biggest challenge we fishermen deal with is eliminating unproductive water. I could unbox 100 lures and still not know where and how to fish them. That's what I'm getting at
This isn't about youtube but it should get my point across. A couple years ago we had a local show that lasted 1 season on tv The show was called Structure Fishing and was centered around spoon plugging and the teachings of Buck Perry. There were 5 minute "classroom" segments on every episode and 20 minutes of the host fishing, promoting his 8yo kid and his sponsors. In his defense, I guess you need to promote the sponsors to get paid...but not the kid. The host was crucified on local forums and told to drop the kid to which he got real defensive. It seemed he was using the show to launch his kids career. Guess what? No more show and no more kid. Here's some of the classroom videos. I could watch these for hours, yet these videos have 1500 views and not 150,000 Go figure
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Tim Kelly reply :
Thanks for putting those films up Sloan. I really learnt a lot form reading spoonplugging and these films are a great way of reminding myself some of the key points. I have subscribed.
slonezp reply :
On 7/24/2016 at 2:21 PM, Tim Kelly said:Thanks for putting those films up Sloan. I really learnt a lot form reading spoonplugging and these films are a great way of reminding myself some of the key points. I have subscribed.
No need to thank me. If anything I did it for selfish reasons, to prove a point. There's more to fishing than the fishing part.
Further North reply :
On 7/19/2016 at 10:23 PM, buzzed bait said:i can't get on youtube from my office and that's where i spend most all my time online. sometimes i'm angry that i can't watch a video or two, but then most times i remember what garbage i watched on there the last time and i come right back to the forums.... probably blocked for a good reason i guess!
I wonder how your employer feels about that?
...we blocked Internet access for everyone who demonstrated they couldn't be responsible about using it.
Overtime dropped like a stone in the first month...
A-Jay reply :
On 7/24/2016 at 9:54 PM, Further North said:I wonder how your employer feels about that?
...we blocked Internet access for everyone who demonstrated they couldn't be responsible about using it.
Overtime dropped like a stone in the first month...
And strangely enough, productivity probably stayed the same or may have even improved.
A-Jay
buzzed bait reply :
On 7/24/2016 at 9:54 PM, Further North said:I wonder how your employer feels about that?
...we blocked Internet access for everyone who demonstrated they couldn't be responsible about using it.
Overtime dropped like a stone in the first month...
Company of about 30,000 employees so I've no doubt it's in their best interest....
Further North reply :
On 7/25/2016 at 12:01 AM, buzzed bait said:Company of about 30,000 employees so I've no doubt it's in their best interest....
@ 30,000...I'd have IT run a report showing which internal accounts were on non-work related websites more than about 60-90 (enough for lunch and breaks) minutes a day, then I'd block every one of them.
I'd leave the folks who were within those parameters.
...and the goobers who tried to go around the blocks? I'd encourage them to seek alternate employment.
Paul Roberts reply :
On 7/24/2016 at 11:20 AM, slonezp said:I'm not knocking senkos, just the mopes
This isn't about youtube but it should get my point across. A couple years ago we had a local show that lasted 1 season on tv The show was called Structure Fishing and was centered around spoon plugging and the teachings of Buck Perry. There were 5 minute "classroom" segments on every episode and 20 minutes of the host fishing, promoting his 8yo kid and his sponsors. In his defense, I guess you need to promote the sponsors to get paid...but not the kid. The host was crucified on local forums and told to drop the kid to which he got real defensive. It seemed he was using the show to launch his kids career. Guess what? No more show and no more kid. Here's some of the classroom videos. I could watch these for hours, yet these videos have 1500 views and not 150,000 Go figure
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Yeah, I was thinking of this one, and some others, when I posted above. (I don't agree with everything he says, but that's not the point.) It just doesn't get the level of interest other types of vids do. Just like on the forums, there's way more traffic discussing the toys. Which, to your point, is the easy part. To be fair, learning about the gear is where everyone starts and even old salts must revisit.
However I think that what most interests fisherman -at least those that have gotten somewhat serious enough to take wondering beyond a shrug- is the methodology behind successful fishing. This is what is so often asked for and so rarely provided in much detail. I still get riled when I read, or hear, "...depends on conditions...". It's a tough job though, bc there's a lot to explain, and we simply don't always know why things work.
What interests me is going a step further to understand what goes on under the water that could explain the fishing results. That kind of info is rarer still, and adds incredible complexity to something the majority really consider a "pastime". I guess I'm a true wacko. But I come by it honestly.
Tim Kelly reply :
Been watching some of those Structure fishing films, love the older films of the guys demonstrating stuff on the water. Does anyone know what the old catherdral/tri hulled tiller boats they're using are?
Catt reply :
I look at these YouTube videos pretty much like I look at the website, there are anglers here at all levels of expertise.
It's fairly easy to decern who knows what they're talking about & who is simply repeating what they've read somewhere.
The difference between to two is experience!
If you goal is to teach others how "catch" my suggestion is to start a thread here under the name of your home lake.
I started one about Toledo Bend, right know we're at 222 pgs, 5,525 replies, & was viewed 790,391 times!
I'm not saying this to brag but as challenge; how many are willing to give up your home waters?
Team9nine reply :
On 7/25/2016 at 6:50 PM, Tim Kelly said:Been watching some of those Structure fishing films, love the older films of the guys demonstrating stuff on the water. Does anyone know what the old catherdral/tri hulled tiller boats they're using are?
The boat Don Dickson used, a 15' version, was made by Troller Boats, Butler, PA., owned by Jim Cronenwett who ran West Penn Boat Sales. I believe Don was helping promote them some (he was originally from the Pittsburgh, PA area). They (Troller Boats) were started around 1976. They were modeled after the old Boston Whalers.
-T9
Tim Kelly reply :
Thank you.
I'm surprised the cathedral hull isn't used in more small freshwater boats any more. They used to be very popular. I can only think of the Tuffy esox and esox magnum that are still made and sold for freshwater fishing.
J Francho reply :
Pad hulls and mod-v offer better performance, less slap. I could always hear a tri-hull coming, with all the hull slap. They were a rough ride, at least any I'd been in.
Tim Kelly reply :
They offer much greater stability at rest than a pad or mod v hull of the same width though. I suppose boats are generally wider now, so that stability issue is less relevant?
Master Bait'r reply :
On 7/25/2016 at 7:43 PM, Catt said:how many are willing to give up your home waters?
Not me!! Lol... I like to talk about technique, not locations. I'm not on any lakes like TB either though FWIW.
Paul Roberts reply :
Tri-hulls... can hurt! And wear you out. John calls it 'slap' I called it 'pounding'!
J Francho reply :
You can get a nice pounding from any hull, lol. Ask @Tim Kelly about sitting on my balls while crossing Cayuga a couple years ago.
Tim Kelly reply :
I'm pretty certain I didn't sit on your balls John. 
Catt reply :
On 7/25/2016 at 11:35 PM, J Francho said:You can get a nice pounding from any hull, lol. Ask @Tim Kelly about sitting on my balls while crossing Cayuga a couple years ago.
That's called over sharing! 
On 7/25/2016 at 11:13 PM, Master Bait'r said:
Not me!! Lol... I like to talk about technique, not locations. I'm not on any lakes like TB either though FWIW.
I do not give out GPS locations, I do teach map reading, & how to read structure!
Paul Roberts reply :
On 7/25/2016 at 11:13 PM, Master Bait'r said:Not me!! Lol... I like to talk about technique, not locations. I'm not on any lakes like TB either though FWIW.
On 7/25/2016 at 11:55 PM, Catt said:I do not give out GPS locations, I do teach map reading, & how to read structure!
There are plenty of spots-on-a-spot out there to go around, especially when you factor in timing.
Now... what was this thread about??
scaleface reply :
I give up my spots all the time . I just toss out a marker buoy .
J Francho reply :
On 7/25/2016 at 11:54 PM, Tim Kelly said:I'm pretty certain I didn't sit on your balls John.
Maybe I could have worded that better, lmao.
Master Bait'r reply :
On 7/26/2016 at 12:51 AM, Paul Roberts said:
There are plenty of spots-on-a-spot out there to go around, especially when you factor in timing.
Now... what was this thread about??
Yeah not on my waters. Most places I fish are smaller ponds and secluded lakes. Tell one guy, he tells one guy and so on... Two weeks later there isn't even a shad fry left in it. Believe me when I say I know what I'm doing and I know my area. I am this way for a reason.
Paul Roberts reply :
On 7/26/2016 at 1:09 AM, Master Bait'r said:
Yeah not on my waters. Most places I fish are smaller ponds and secluded lakes. Tell one guy, he tells one guy and so on... Two weeks later there isn't even a shad fry left in it. Believe me when I say I know what I'm doing and I know my area. I am this way for a reason.
I hear you. I'm a small water guy now too. And I'm definitely circumspect. I do find though that sharing with the right people comes back around. I can't be everywhere.
Catt reply :
On 7/26/2016 at 12:51 AM, Paul Roberts said:
There are plenty of spots-on-a-spot out there to go around, especially when you factor in timing.
Now... what was this thread about??
It's about anglers helping anglers!
One major key to being consistent on any body of is to fish it often, when you can not be on the water have friends that can.
That is why I think forums are better than the majority of YouTube videos.
@KU_Bassmaster. has one for KC areas guys that has 296 pgs, 7,383 replies, & was viewed 445,530 times!
Talking about rods, reels, lines, & lures is fun but that don't teach ya how to catch!
Master Bait'r reply :
On 7/26/2016 at 1:14 AM, Paul Roberts said:I hear you. I'm a small water guy now too. And I'm definitely circumspect. I do find though that sharing with the right people comes back around. I can't be everywhere.
Certainly! If I'm going someplace that's TRULY a bushwack or it has a boat launch it's totally fair game for the share game. If it's close to home and under the radar though, it's flat out Fight Club Rules haha
the reel ess reply :
On 7/19/2016 at 9:57 AM, MassYak85 said:"And here we have X Plastic worm from XYZ Company in, oh hold on, let me check.......green pumpkin"
*Repeat 30 times*
Really boring IMO. The only time I like "unboxings" is if it is an unpackaging and review of a new lure, just to see if I might want to get it.
Yeah, unboxing tackle is un-fishing IMO.
Senko lover reply :
I'm very selective in the ones I watch, but I do enjoy watching vlogs. When I say vlogs, I mean not the fishing/vlogs but the actual vlogs. The only ones I really care about are Roman Atwood's vlogs, they never cease to inspire me and make me laugh.
What the fishing people have done is to realize that there's a huge audience of people who do enjoy vlogs, and production-style videos with less pure fishing content. They've crossed the border between straight fishing content and a different kind of entertainment.
While I remain a large fan of the Youtube fishing community, I do wish they would cut back on the traveling, just film solo videos with less vlogging and more fishing.
But I ain't blaming someone for making a living.
Further North reply :
On 7/25/2016 at 7:43 PM, Catt said:I look at these YouTube videos pretty much like I look at the website, there are anglers here at all levels of expertise.
It's fairly easy to decern who knows what they're talking about & who is simply repeating what they've read somewhere.
The difference between to two is experience!
If you goal is to teach others how "catch" my suggestion is to start a thread here under the name of your home lake.
I started one about Toledo Bend, right know we're at 222 pgs, 5,525 replies, & was viewed 790,391 times!
I'm not saying this to brag but as challenge; how many are willing to give up your home waters?
I do this...but with a caveat: I'll share my home water off-line, or in person.
The lakes are too small to sustain website hot-spotting.
Further North reply :
On 7/26/2016 at 12:57 AM, scaleface said:I give up my spots all the time . I just toss out a marker buoy .
I had a bunch of old marker buoys...I never use them, I've got GPS...We were on a lake in Canada, where there is a fair amount of spot poaching...
We'd find a worthless spot, usually right before lunch, toss out a marker...then move off a ways to eat...and count the poachers.
One place worked so well we left the buoy there all day, counted 8 different boats in the spot as we moved back and forth that day.
beardown34 reply :
On 7/26/2016 at 11:41 AM, Further North said:We'd find a worthless spot, usually right before lunch, toss out a marker...then move off a ways to eat...and count the poachers.
One place worked so well we left the buoy there all day, counted 8 different boats in the spot as we moved back and forth that day.
Great job!
K_Mac reply :
I don't understand this "spot poaching". If I am running and see a marker buoy in an area with no boats around, I may not fish it, but I might take a look to see what it is marking. If it is holding fish and there is no one else on the spot, how is it poaching for me to fish it? Now maybe if it is a multi-day tournament and I know that we are honoring spots, that would a different thing. Of course no tournament fisherman in his right mind would leave a buoy on an unattended spot.
J Francho reply :
On 7/27/2016 at 5:13 AM, K_Mac said:Of course no tournament fisherman in his right mind would leave a buoy on an unattended spot.
That's the part I don't get.
FastVette reply :
It's the paradigm shift that has been brought about in society by the connected world. Getting out and doing doesn't matter nearly as much as making sure people are following you. It's really pathetic IMO. People should have more dependency on themselves and less on what others think of them.
Jonathan Evans reply :
On 7/27/2016 at 7:37 AM, FastVette said:It's the paradigm shift that has been brought about in society by the connected world. Getting out and doing doesn't matter nearly as much as making sure people are following you. It's really pathetic IMO. People should have more dependency on themselves and less on what others think of them.
YUP, "subscribe to me because .......well just subscribe". I will film myself walking around eating lunch and shopping and stupid sheeple will eat it up.
beardown34 reply :
On 7/27/2016 at 7:37 AM, FastVette said:It's the paradigm shift that has been brought about in society by the connected world. Getting out and doing doesn't matter nearly as much as making sure people are following you. It's really pathetic IMO. People should have more dependency on themselves and less on what others think of them.
just for clarification -- is your intolerance directed towards the people making or the people watching the videos? or just a big generic dose for everyone? to say 'getting out and doing doesn't matter nearly as much' -- the overwhelming majority of the videos from the people i believe most people here are complaining about are of them fishing. yeah they also include the before and after material, but the meat of it is them fishing. but i agree with you. people should have more dependency on themselves and care less of what others think of them. like filling 4 pages worth of everyone agreeing with each other while directing negativity towards people who are not here to defend themselves. that isn't group think at all.
Further North reply :
On 7/27/2016 at 5:13 AM, K_Mac said:I don't understand this "spot poaching". If I am running and see a marker buoy in an area with no boats around, I may not fish it, but I might take a look to see what it is marking. If it is holding fish and there is no one else on the spot, how is it poaching for me to fish it? Now maybe if it is a multi-day tournament and I know that we are honoring spots, that would a different thing. Of course no tournament fisherman in his right mind would leave a buoy on an unattended spot.
I did a poor job explaining...
First, it's Ontario...so we were (God help me) walleye fishing. I'll never do it again. Really. Dullest week of fishing I've ever had.
What happens up there on occasion is if some other fishermen see someone having success on a spot, they'll do their best to get there earlier than the folks who found the spot the next day...or they'll get on the spot and camp out.
On 7/27/2016 at 5:14 AM, J Francho said:That's the part I don't get.
Not a tournament.
ClackerBuzz reply :
at times I've been known to take fishing too seriously. that's usually about the same time a humble beating comes along.
Now Juanelo knows how to always bring the fun on Lake Ketchabigwon.
https://youtu.be/yuvbY6GqkbU
Cyklops99 reply :
this is like the 50th post in various forums with youtube hate. BUT I do understand where the original poster is coming from. I often take a video camera with me fishing... and often never turn it on... cause I feel I have nothing worth sharing... to share.
youtube isn't about education, it's like tv it's entertainment plain and simple. a lot of posts are informative which is great others.... not so much,.
On 7/27/2016 at 12:19 PM, ClackerBuzz said:at times I've been known to take fishing too seriously. that's usually about the same time a humble beating comes along.
Now Juanelo knows how to always bring the fun on Lake Ketchabigwon.
https://youtu.be/yuvbY6GqkbU
Juanelo rocks!
FastVette reply :
On 7/27/2016 at 10:49 AM, beardown34 said:just for clarification -- is your intolerance directed towards the people making or the people watching the videos? or just a big generic dose for everyone? to say 'getting out and doing doesn't matter nearly as much' -- the overwhelming majority of the videos from the people i believe most people here are complaining about are of them fishing. yeah they also include the before and after material, but the meat of it is them fishing. but i agree with you. people should have more dependency on themselves and care less of what others think of them. like filling 4 pages worth of everyone agreeing with each other while directing negativity towards people who are not here to defend themselves. that isn't group think at all.
Towards the people making the videos. It's not intolerance at all. Just a basic contempt for people who have this abject need to do anything and everything to try to get followers for some website or social media page. They're free to do as they please though I'll never understand the need. In the end I guess at least trying to do something and record it for others consumption is better than doing nothing at all though.
jtharris3 reply :
On 7/29/2016 at 4:48 AM, FastVette said:Towards the people making the videos. It's not intolerance at all. Just a basic contempt for people who have this abject need to do anything and everything to try to get followers for some website or social media page. They're free to do as they please though I'll never understand the need. In the end I guess at least trying to do something and record it for others consumption is better than doing nothing at all though.
While reading your posts, I had to wonder why it bothers you so much what others do in their spare time. Then I found it! Just an observation.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 7/29/2016 at 4:48 AM, FastVette said:Towards the people making the videos. It's not intolerance at all. Just a basic contempt for people who have this abject need to do anything and everything to try to get followers for some website or social media page. They're free to do as they please though I'll never understand the need. In the end I guess at least trying to do something and record it for others consumption is better than doing nothing at all though.
On 7/29/2016 at 8:56 AM, jtharris3 said:While reading your posts, I had to wonder why it bothers you so much what others do in their spare time. Then I found it! Just an observation.
Here we go again. This thread isn't gona last much longer.
FastVette reply :
On 7/29/2016 at 8:56 AM, jtharris3 said:While reading your posts, I had to wonder why it bothers you so much what others do in their spare time. Then I found it! Just an observation.
Who said it bothers me? I certainly don't let it. Just because I voice my personal thoughts about something doesn't mean I'm bothered by it. I observe, come to a conclusion, may or may not voice it, then move on. If that's being bothered then I'm in trouble for sure.
Why are you bothered that I seem to be bothered by it? 
On 7/29/2016 at 9:55 AM, IndianaFinesse said:
Here we go again. This thread isn't gona last much longer.
Could this go down that road? Sure, but it won't on my part. I don't tend to let things get to me, certainly not opinions being stated on a forum (I run one myself and deal with this stuff a lot, hence it not getting to me).
Back to the topic at hand, talking about everyone's an expert.........there's all sorts of these videos out there. You guys ever look at some of the car repair stuff that people put up as supposedly "expert" advice? Some of that will make your head spin. I think every field of interest is inundated with the expert types anymore.
roadwarrior reply :
I guess that's a wrap...
Goodnight Irene.
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