Giving Up Your Rights To Fish. 2024
EvanT123 reply :
Stopped by a lake today to wet a line. Skunked of course. Anyways I wasn't there 5 minutes when I looked over my shoulder and saw THE LAW, Mr.DEC coming my way. As always I was pleasant and produced my id and fishing license. Had my backpack open and some planos out he looked them over as we were chatting. He had a young man with him an intern he explained to me and proceded to explain to the intern the license checking process.
What I learned from the conversation was by purchasing a fishing license I had waved my right to unreasonable search and seizure while fishing. The officer explained that if he wanted to he could search my entire bag and vehicle since they were being used in the act of fishing. I forget the term he used but basically fishing is a regulated activity. Not really a big deal since I have nothing to hide but interesting none the less; this was the first I heard of waving my rights. . Officer said really the law is used on hunters poaching animals but could be used on me.
I live in New York don't know the laws in other states but be safe and keep everything on the up and up everyone.
fishinthedacks reply :
Wow! I'm about 45 mins from you and know a lot of cops but they refer to DEC as Trout Troopers and don't really know any laws when it comes to hunting/fishing unless they themselves hunt or fish and even then they have a very if I flash my badge I'm fine mentality. But this I've never heard of but makes total sense. I mean we could be holding our daily limit for DEC to see but have a truck full of 20-30 bass... Very interesting I'll have to send a text to one of my cop friends who fishes and see what the exact law on this is. I've always heard DEC actually has ways around a lot of laws that cops don't but never asked for anyone to elaborate.
EvanT123 reply :
^^^ the officer actually spoke to the last part of your post. Mentioning the whole they are more powerful than regular police and I guess it comes back to hunting and fishing being regulated activities.
An example he gave was if you're found walking out of the woods with a gun they are going to search your vehicle because they are going to assume you were hunting.
fishinthedacks reply :
It makes total sense. I just got a text back from a local sheriff. He said yes they can search your vehicle, you give up that right but you don't give up the right to have other law enforcement or an attourney present. None of us are worried about this really. We are fishing not smuggling drugs haha. But they do have certain guidelines they must follow. It's not quite as leanant as say border patrol tearing apart our car. They have the right to look in reasonable places for animals. If you have a pistol for instance and you produce a pistol permit. They don't have the right to search glove boxes, and center consoles because in this instance they are looking for a deer, bear etc. So if they open up your center console claiming they are looking for a deer or it's meat? They abused protocol and if they find something small and illegal it's going to get thrown out. Their job was to look for an illegal item and even with fishing who is going to throw an extra fish or two in their glovebox?
Again we're grasping at straws here, but we don't totally give up our rights and they won't be putting a knife to our car seats looking for fish. Basically just open your trunk, let me have a peak to make sure you don't have a cooler full of illegal fish.
Still kind of crazy to know they have the right to take away some of our rights.
EvanT123 reply :
Overall it makes sense to me. Like anything else gotta make sure you follow the law.
fishinthedacks reply :
Right.
Haha on a funny note my friend goes why? You don't do drugs. Do you need me to come get you out of this? haha. Had to forward him this link to let him know it was just in inquiry.
jbsoonerfan reply :
Game and Fish officers hold more power than any other law enforcement officer in Oklahoma. They can search you, your vehicle or house at anytime. However, I don't think they would do so unless the had really good reason to do so.
TheSmilingSwordsman reply :
It doesn't surprise me. I have a game warden friend here in Texas that is regularly called down to the border because he has greater rights of search and seizure than the other departments.
Grizzn N Bassin reply :
i knew that , any they catch quite a few people checking in trucks after a day of fishing . best to do the right thing when nobodys looking. karma
FlipnLimits reply :
No rights have been lost, it's been this way for a long time. If the DNR finds illegal fish in your car, creel, or boat, they may search your home also. In your state regs, there is a daily creel limit and a possession limit. The possession limit constitutes the total amount between the fish you have with you at the lake and what's in your freezer. This law has been in the books for as long as I can remember.
Sounds like OK has the same laws as IL. And WI has some brutal fishing laws and fines! They can confiscate your fish, gear, and truck! Illinois has state laws and site-specific laws. It's wise to get an updated fishing regs booklet every year and stay on top of your state laws inre possession and creel limits. If you're a tournament fisherman, some states do not allow culling. I have seen the DNR using binoculars to search for fishermen culling. I prefer not to fish tournaments with these regs.
Local law enforcement cannot call DNR to search your car because they have more search powers. UNLESS, there is game involved. If this has happened to you, get a good lawyer and you will win the case and may have a civil suit.
FL
G8RBob reply :
My only traffic citation in the past 40 years was handed to me by a Florida game warden. Speeding. He informed me that he was a sworn law enforcement officer and had the powers of arrest. I told him that an arrest wouldn't be necessary, just write the ticket. I thanked him for his service to Florida wildlife and we then parted ways.
0119 reply :
Same goes for your drivers license. Driving is not a right but a 'priviledge' that can be revoked at any time. By signing your drivers license you are submitting to taking a test of your breath/blood for its alcohol content. If you dont its immediate suspension. Not much different really. I'm glad they have those powers, wish they had more. Honest sportsmanship never has anything to fear. And if you dont have anything unlawful in your vehicle you having nothing to fear.
boostr reply :
I don't know if a marine patrol is similar to Game warden or a DEC, butWwhen I lived in Miami, I got pulled over by by one of them. He made me get out of my vehicle and move to the front of my vehicle and then frisked me. He told me he puLled me over because I cut him off when I made a left turn at a stop sign in an intersection. When I told him I didn't because I saw him about a hundred yards down the street when i made the turn. I guess he got ticked because I was right, so to teach me a lesson he made me exit my vehicle and bust my balls. I thought it was funny because I wasn't even on the water.
AK-Jax86 reply :
I can understand checking your fishing equipment and even your vehicle for coolers which may contain fish. But other than that I can't see how they can search your vehicle like a police officer would.
Scott F reply :
Game wardens are police officers. They go through the same training and have the same ability to enforce all of the laws including the ability to search your property for wild life violations.
Master Bait'r reply :
Gotta love it... "Oh these laws are for poachers... Now get out of the boat and prepare for a cavity search, tackle search, car search, and we're kicking in the door to your house right now too"
Honestly where is the need for such callous disregard for rights- and where is the differentiation??? No, if someone stops me and tells me I've waived my rights... I'm calling a lawyer immediately even if I know I've done nothing wrong. If five hours later when said lawyer shows up they still want to search my property/vehicle only to find nothing... Good for them I guess? If some badge bully wants to exercise their "right" to search all my property solely at their discretion I'm going to exercise mine to the fullest extent too.
J Francho reply :
Most DEC officers understand that responsible anglers are stewards of our resources. We their eyes and ears on the water. I hope you got his cell number, and put it in your phone. It's much more effective to call them directly than try the poaching hotline.
bigbill reply :
The DEC or DEEP as there called in ct have more power than a state policeman.
I was stopped while on my land in vt. While bear hunting. The first think we did was to put down our guns to ease the tentions. Then we talked and everything was ok.
But the deep in ct aren't that nice. Some can be nasty.
It's a one sided sword. I seen one deep officer Chase a whole family away that had no licenses for fishing.
One of my buddies pulled up in his truck and yelled he'd be back to check for fishing licenses one night. The whole family even an old lady ran too. After he drove off.
Missourifishin reply :
Other law enforcement officers need probable cause (or your permission) to search your vehicle. Isn't it the same with game wardens?
Master Bait'r reply :
On 4/7/2014 at 11:11 PM, Missourifishin said:Other law enforcement officers need probable cause (or your permission) to search your vehicle. Isn't it the same with game wardens?
No animal laws are more important than those involving guns, drugs, and any other violent offenders. #hadtobealiberal
K_Mac reply :
On 4/7/2014 at 9:08 PM, Scott F said:Game wardens are police officers. They go through the same training and have the same ability to enforce all of the laws including the ability to search your property for wild life violations.
That is exactly right Scott.
On 4/7/2014 at 9:36 PM, Master Bait said:Gotta love it... "Oh these laws are for poachers... Now get out of the boat and prepare for a cavity search, tackle search, car search, and we're kicking in the door to your house right now too"
Honestly where is the need for such callous disregard for rights- and where is the differentiation??? No, if someone stops me and tells me I've waived my rights... I'm calling a lawyer immediately even if I know I've done nothing wrong. If five hours later when said lawyer shows up they still want to search my property/vehicle only to find nothing... Good for them I guess? If some badge bully wants to exercise their "right" to search all my property solely at their discretion I'm going to exercise mine to the fullest extent too.
MB I completely agree with the idea that our rights as free men need to be honored by Law Enforcement. My experience with DNR agents make it clear to me that the ones I have dealt with here in Illinois feel the same way. An agent with reasonable cause will not wait five hours to search your property. If you refuse to comply he will put you in cuffs, and do it anyway. You will then have access to the legal system to make your case. My point is if your rights are violated by any Law Enforcement there is a right way of dealing with it. Use the system. Refusing to comply will not end well...
Master Bait'r reply :
On 4/7/2014 at 11:14 PM, K_Mac said:That is exactly right Scott.
MB I completely agree with the idea that our rights as free men need to be honored by Law Enforcement. My experience with DNR agents make it clear to me that the ones I have dealt with here in Illinois feel the same way. An agent with reasonable cause will not wait five hours to search your property. If you refuse to comply he will put you in cuffs, and do it anyway. You will then have access to the legal system to make your case. My point is if your rights are violated by any Law Enforcement there is a right way of dealing with it. Use the system. Refusing to comply will not end well...
That's not refusal to comply, that's a reasonable accommodation based on the rights afforded to me by the same laws and letters that afford them theirs. If I am allowed to have an attorney present during searches and then arrested for attempting to exercising that right, that would be a direct violation of the (very few) rights that we are afforded in this case and would likely result in more paperwork for said officer. Lots and lots and LOTS of paperwork. That said, it is ALWAYS easier to just be cool and let them make sure you aren't a scumbag. I've got nothing to hide.
It's worth mentioning that I've never had even the slightest of problems with any DNR guys. Around here they seem to just be great guys just checking in on things and I honestly wish they did more often- lots of people dumping, littering and poaching left and right around here and nobody seems to care except me and a handful of others. If I ever ran into some shoulder chip grower type though, I would not hesitate to exercise my rights. That is why they're there after all! Hope you didn't take my post to mean any kind of disrespect to them or their work, (it is very important!) but the very insinuation that I've given up my rights to be legally allowed to fish I find preposterous, personally.
tatertester reply :
Wardens must adhere to the doctrine of reasonableness when in search,seizure, or arrest situations especially when it applies to your person or house.....They must have a reasonable belief that you may have violated a law or are hiding evidence that you have violated a law to go beyond basic license check and observational checks......Wardens do have wide ranging powers , but, not powers without limits, as many would like you to believe. your rights are protected by the 4th amendment and the tenant of reasonableness....Many people interpret that Wardens have total right to do whatever they wish when it involves search ,seizure or arrests , and, this is simply not true.
SirSnookalot reply :
On 4/7/2014 at 11:11 PM, Missourifishin said:Other law enforcement officers need probable cause (or your permission) to search your vehicle. Isn't it the same with game wardens?
A fishing rod, cast net or a rifle IMO is probable cause for search. The biggest problem in Florida is just not enough FWC officers in the field. I've yet to seem them flex their muscles without a good reason, like a border patrol agent they "sniff out" offenders, they read body language quite well. You do nothing wrong, you have nothing to be concerned about.
0119 reply :
Either a lot of you have something to hide or the violent soverign citizens movement has a strong foothold in the fishing fraternity. Hey mods...... what does this all have to do with General Fishing? Isnt this whining more applicable to the Off Topics Board?
WIGuide reply :
On 4/7/2014 at 11:53 AM, FlipnLimits said:No rights have been lost, it's been this way for a long time. If the DNR finds illegal fish in your car, creel, or boat, they may search your home also. In your state regs, there is a daily creel limit and a possession limit. The possession limit constitutes the total amount between the fish you have with you at the lake and what's in your freezer. This law has been in the books for as long as I can remember.
Sounds like OK has the same laws as IL. And WI has some brutal fishing laws and fines! They can confiscate your fish, gear, and truck! Illinois has state laws and site-specific laws. It's wise to get an updated fishing regs booklet every year and stay on top of your state laws inre possession and creel limits. If you're a tournament fisherman, some states do not allow culling. I have seen the DNR using binoculars to search for fishermen culling. I prefer not to fish tournaments with these regs.
Local law enforcement cannot call DNR to search your car because they have more search powers. UNLESS, there is game involved. If this has happened to you, get a good lawyer and you will win the case and may have a civil suit.
FL
WI is brutal, they can confiscate anything you used to harvest illegally. Boat, truck, trailer, gear, wheeler, you name it, if helped you along the way it's fair game.
Zach Dunham reply :
On 4/7/2014 at 8:22 PM, boostr said:I don't know if a marine patrol is similar to Game warden or a DEC, butWwhen I lived in Miami, I got pulled over by by one of them. He made me get out of my vehicle and move to the front of my vehicle and then frisked me. He told me he puLled me over because I cut him off when I made a left turn at a stop sign in an intersection. When I told him I didn't because I saw him about a hundred yards down the street when i made the turn. I guess he got ticked because I was right, so to teach me a lesson he made me exit my vehicle and bust my balls. I thought it was funny because I wasn't even on the water.
And that right there is an abuse of power. You can't be personally frisked without probable cause. Say no and call a lawyer.
I am amazed at people who just want to give more power to a few people when a lot of them already let that power go their head. (this part is not directed at you, boostr).
Zach Dunham reply :
On 4/7/2014 at 11:29 PM, SirSnookalot said:A fishing rod, cast net or a rifle IMO is probable cause for search. The biggest problem in Florida is just not enough FWC officers in the field. I've yet to seem them flex their muscles without a good reason, like a border patrol agent they "sniff out" offenders, they read body language quite well. You do nothing wrong, you have nothing to be concerned about.
Right. So now doing something that is legal, owning a gun and carrying it, or having a FISHING ROD, is probable cause for a search. By your logic of "you do nothing wrong, you have nothing to be concerned about", why don't we just give the entire government a direct video line into every room of our homes. If you aren't doing anything wrong, who cares?
Zach Dunham reply :
Harsh punishments for violators are absolutely necessary. I am totally fine with confiscation of everything related to the incident if you are caught. But giving law enforcement unreasonable measures and taking away rights unreasonably is going too far.
hatrix reply :
I know a game warden does not need a warrant to search anything. They can come right in your house and search it with no warrant. It happened to a buddy of mine cause they said he was spotting deer. He was actually not but they searched his home with no warrant.
Zach Dunham reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 3:44 AM, hatrix said:I know a game warden does not need a warrant to search anything. They can come right in your house and search it with no warrant. It happened to a buddy of mine cause they said he was spotting deer. He was actually not but they searched his home with no warrant.
There is absolutely no way that is allowed unless your buddy had more going on than he was saying or they found something first. Law enforcement will often ask you to allow them to do things they can't do and if you tell them no then that's the end of it. They rely on people not knowing the laws to do things like that. It has happened to me time and time again getting pulled over for speeding (I like to drive fast). I'm fine with getting pulled over and paying my ticket, but I've been asked if I would allow a search more than a few times and I always say no and that is the end of it. A lot of people think they have to and they allow it. Most law enforcement do this.
0119 reply :
At least come up with believable stories
aquaholic reply :
Just because you have nothing to hide does not mean you have to be inconvenienced and have your 4th amendment broken.
iabass8 reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 3:44 AM, hatrix said:I know a game warden does not need a warrant to search anything. They can come right in your house and search it with no warrant. It happened to a buddy of mine cause they said he was spotting deer. He was actually not but they searched his home with no warrant.
They need probable cause to enter your home but they do not need a warrant. they cannot just randomly pick a strangers house and enter it at will. They must have probable cause. Probable cause is also not very hard to come by being DNR. Odds are if you are getting a home visit from your local DNR, you are/were either doing something wrong or did something that looked "iffy".
iabass8 reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 12:22 AM, 119 said:Either a lot of you have something to hide or the violent soverign citizens movement has a strong foothold in the fishing fraternity. Hey mods...... what does this all have to do with General Fishing? Isnt this whining more applicable to the Off Topics Board?
The topic is giving up your rights to FISH..... Call me crazy but I think this topic has a little (HEY I COULD BE WRONG HERE) to do with fishing. Especially the general aspect of it....
hatrix reply :
It because he had spot lights on his truck and had been seen coming out of the words and stuff all the time. He is super big into off roading and we think people had called on him saying he was poaching deer. It was just a misunderstanding.
Secondly I don't get what people's problem is with others who believe in there rights and dont want them taken away. The violent sovereign citizens movement? My crane operator is a sovereign citizen and is the nicest and smartest person you would ever meet and is a great firend.
Please don't bash people on a topic you are not properly informed about.
fishinthedacks reply :
I agree this should remain on this section but that's up to the mods. I think it's an interesting topic.
I'm friends with a lot of cops infact my future wife is one 
local Sherriff Deputy here in Montgomery County. So I know ALL too well dirty tactics used. She doesnt use them of course.... lol but I'm there for a lot of discussions. She is not up to date on fishing laws which is why I questioned another friend of mine who is an angler so he pays extra attention to the sportsman laws as well as his normal field of duty. But most cops couldn't tell me when I moved back from Florida if my civil war pistol (national arms company break top .38) needed to be registered or not due to age. (It does) but I pulled it out and asked all of them is this illegal not to have registered. Which I did not at the time. All of them shrugged and said no clue how you would even go about registering if you need to. I figured it out by taking of handle and finding a serial # went to a judge friend of mine for a quick pistol permit (not the hassle most of you have to go through lol) and got it and my other guns registered because in Florida it was a simple process compared to NY.
K_Mac reply :
iabass8 I think you're correct sir. This topic may not interest everyone-so what! This is a discussion forum don't ya know.
I do not consider myself to be in the lunatic fringe when it comes to personal freedom, and there are times when Law Enforcement officers cross the line. Just because a lawman thinks he has reason to stop or search someone doesn't necessarily mean he does, and just because he stops someone doesn't mean they are guilty of anything. When they cross the line they are subject to legal and civil penalties. It is a system that works pretty well most of the time.
FlipnLimits reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 7:59 AM, fishinthedacks said:I agree this should remain on this section but that's up to the mods. I think it's an interesting topic.
I'm friends with a lot of cops infact my future wife is one
local Sherriff Deputy here in Montgomery County. So I know ALL too well dirty tactics used. She doesnt use them of course.... lol but I'm there for a lot of discussions. She is not up to date on fishing laws which is why I questioned another friend of mine who is an angler so he pays extra attention to the sportsman laws as well as his normal field of duty. But most cops couldn't tell me when I moved back from Florida if my civil war pistol (national arms company break top .38) needed to be registered or not due to age. (It does) but I pulled it out and asked all of them is this illegal not to have registered. Which I did not at the time. All of them shrugged and said no clue how you would even go about registering if you need to. I figured it out by taking of handle and finding a serial # went to a judge friend of mine for a quick pistol permit (not the hassle most of you have to go through lol) and got it and my other guns registered because in Florida it was a simple process compared to NY.
It's an antique firearm and therefore does not need to be registered. Same as my ww2 weapons.
To original topic...Paranoia will destroy ya! Why would the DNR search your home if your basket/creel/cooler doesn't have illegal fish? There's no reason for it and they wouldn't waste their time. An officer can search you without probable cause if he asks you and you allow him to, and/or he feels there is something that is of a threat. If you're fishing along a bank and an officer asks you for your license, and you have one, he would leave wouldn't he? There would be no reason for further conversation. If a game warden checks your boat and you're legal, his job is done and he's gone. Never had a problem with law enforcement unless I deserved it And I haven't deserved it. An illegal search gets a lawman fired and sued! Why would a professional risk losing his good paying job to illegally search you if you are not breaking any laws? Just doesn't make sense. Some of the stories above, about illegal searches, may have been legal by law and you just didn't know it. Not to mention, we are only reading one side of the story. I wish there were more DNR, LE, Game Wardens, etc. on the waters I fish! It may curtail some of the idiots we see out there.
greyleg33 reply :
Anybody that thinks some of the more outrageous searches mentioned are OK because you have nothing to hide should study and understand the Constitution--particularly the Bill of Rights.
fishinthedacks reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 8:40 AM, FlipnLimits said:It's an antique firearm and therefore does not need to be registered. Same as my ww2 weapons.
To original topic...Paranoia will destroy ya! Why would the DNR search your home if your basket/creel/cooler doesn't have illegal fish? There's no reason for it and they wouldn't waste their time. An officer can search you without probable cause if he asks you and you allow him to, and/or he feels there is something that is of a threat. If you're fishing along a bank and an officer asks you for your license, and you have one, he would leave wouldn't he? There would be no reason for further conversation. If a game warden checks your boat and you're legal, his job is done and he's gone. Never had a problem with law enforcement unless I deserved it
See I was told because it's a pin fire and they still sell bullets for it at wal mart I would need one. From the judge.... Are your WW2 rifles or pistols? I really never wanted to risk getting it registered. So if you can provide me the law on this I'd like. I'd personally like it OFF my pistol permit.
fishinthedacks reply :
By the way you are not in NY. NY pistol laws are far more strict. In florida you only have to be 21 and have a clean record to get a pistol.
Brian Needham reply :
don't forget either..........possession limit extends to your freezer at home, fact.
I had a friend of mine have a game warden show up at his door because someone told the warden he had 100s of bluebill in his freezer...... which he did at one time, but not when the warden showed up.
you are not protected, so don't think you are.
fishinthedacks reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 8:57 AM, Brian Needham said:don't forget either..........possession limit extends to your freezer at home, fact.
I had a friend of mine have a game warden show up at his door because someone told the warden he had 100s of bluebill in his freezer...... which he did at one time, but not when the warden showed up.
you are not protected, so don't think you are.
Well technically they can only go based on days that it was legal to catch vs. whats in your fridge. Which a lot of panfish are upward of 50 per day. So not a big deal. However at say a 5 day bass limit and 5 days into the season if you have 100 filets in your fridge you are in trouble. But if people who are doing it illegally are smart enough to date the bags say a year old. It's a tough thing to prove. Truthfully people should respect the law. I never even keep the limit (except in a tournament) yet alone go over it. It's more of a darn it's 6 pm I'm hungry and I could go for some fish as I'm on the lake and catch a couple of keepers and decide they will be dinner. Or go for one of my "eat only what you catch/hunt" trips. At that point we bring some jerkey/slim jims and peanuts. Enough to last a few days and better get to work catching or we ration. Good training exercise for your body as well. Unless you are poor or live off the land I don't see why people would keep what they shouldn't. People who live off the land shouldn't be held to such limits.
Brian Needham reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 9:15 AM, fishinthedacks said:Well technically they can only go based on days that it was legal to catch vs. whats in your fridge. Which a lot of panfish are upward of 50 per day.
technically that is not what the warden point blank said....... the creel limit is 50, and possession is 100.
according to the warden, if you have 101 bluegill in your freezer you are over the limit.
K_Mac reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 9:38 AM, Brian Needham said:technically that is not what the warden point blank said....... the creel limit is 50, and possession is 100.
according to the warden, if you have 101 bluegill in your freezer you are over the limit.
Brian that is the way it works. Possession limits are exactly that, and the number of fishing days is not relevant. That is an area of the law that can get many who pan fish in trouble, because stockpiling fillets is not legal.
Brian Needham reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 9:56 AM, K_Mac said:Brian that is the way it works. Possession limits are exactly that, and the number of fishing days is not relevant. That is an area of the law that can get many who pan fish in trouble, because stockpiling fillets is not legal.
I know, fishinginthedacks was the one disagreeing.
personally I think the rule is stupid, because like my friend, he keeps bluegill and crappie, "stockpiling" then eats fish all year long..... he never keeps more than the limit on any trip.
for anyone to be able to check a man's freezer for fish caught legally over time is silly to me.
I know what you said is 100 percent correct...
J Francho reply :
Possession limits are to discourage commercial fishing. Don't know how they could count or identify fillets. Don't know why anyone would freeze fish without filleting. Sounds fishy, lol.
K_Mac reply :
Brian it is sometimes hard to convey meaning on the interweb. I was just trying to agree with you. 
FWIW I also agree that having some legally caught fish in the freezer should not be illegal. The problem is trying to protect fisheries from those who would abuse the privilege.
Brian Needham reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 10:13 AM, J Francho said:Possession limits are to discourage commercial fishing. Don't know how they could count or identify fillets. Don't know why anyone would freeze fish without filleting. Sounds fishy, lol.
if you have one of the vacuum sealer deals, that is the best way to do it. put the fish in whole and seal it....... when you get ready to eat it, it taste like you just caught it.
Brian Needham reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 10:14 AM, K_Mac said:Brian it is sometimes hard to convey meaning on the interweb. I was just trying to agree with you.
whoops...... my apologies.
J Francho reply :
You know what freezing does to internal organs? Blech! I fillet them, and freeze them in water or vacuum seal them. Honestly, the ones in water taste best to me. A bunch of us would stockpile fillets for a big Labor Day picnic. We'd fry up hundreds of pounds of them. So yummy.
That's a off topic, though…carry on. 
FlipnLimits reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 8:55 AM, fishinthedacks said:See I was told because it's a pin fire and they still sell bullets for it at wal mart I would need one. From the judge.... Are your WW2 rifles or pistols? I really never wanted to risk getting it registered. So if you can provide me the law on this I'd like. I'd personally like it OFF my pistol permit.
I wasn't sure of your question and after looking around, it seems it may vary by state. You will have to check your local laws. Some states want it registered, some don't. I own weapons so some were bought through proper channels and I didn't see the difference because I have a permit to possess them.
Brian Needham reply :
yeah once I posted I got to thinking about the organs too........ I'll ask him in the morning.
I do know the way he does it, there is 0% chance of freezer burn and can last forever basically he said.
He is in his middle 60s and has done it all the old school ways and he told me how he started to do it a few years ago was the best tasting he ever had....... I am not a fish eater so I don't know.
J Francho reply :
You know how those old guys are…my grandfather eats herring out of a can. Ugh. You can't trust their taste buds. Lol.
Pz3 reply :
I was a jail cop but one thing I did learn. "Probable cause". This is the term so many law enforcement officers love. Thats the grey area cops use to be dicks if you are a dick. Odds are most could careless to see your stupid fishing license. Since game wardens are at higher risk of being killed on the job and threat of budget cuts have to weigh on a warden quiet a bit. I cut them some slack.... in florida anyways.
Swampstud reply :
I dont agree one bit with them searching myself or my property. Im always legal, but if im minding my own business and visually not doing anything illegal, no dnr or cop should even be able to stop me and start hasseling me. Now if they see someone from shore/distance doin illegal acts then by all means go get em. Im just fishing minding my own, and i wouldnt hesitate to confront any officer as to why there bothering me. Go bust a drunk or something.
SirSnookalot reply :
This thread is about fishing rights. If one disagrees with fishing regulations, you don't take it up with a game warden, you talk to to state legislators. The trend today is wanting less regulations in our daily lives, sticking to fishing only we can't have it both ways. If regulations are less restrictive there is a possibility that our fisheries will suffer. Case in point the canal behind my home, at one time really good now it's terrible as cast netters have pillaged the fish. The FWC can't be everywhere and by the time I call them, the purps are gone.
I fish for snook every day, we have legal seasons, slot sizes, limit 1 a day, it's common to see someone "sneak out" a snook, I've seen it many times. I have no problem with a game warden or police wanting to search my car, if this helps to protect my fishery I welcome it. I don't feel I've given up any rights.
Pmoss1 reply :
Here in MS is the same. They can search anything they wish, including your home freezer
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 3:35 AM, imanidiot777 said:And that right there is an abuse of power. You can't be personally frisked without probable cause. Say no and call a lawyer.
I am amazed at people who just want to give more power to a few people when a lot of them already let that power go their head. (this part is not directed at you, boostr).
Not true, it's called a Terry Frisk. All the officer needs is reasonable suspicion, which is easy to have because most officers I know are suspicious of others by nature. Maybe his truck had an NRA, Glock, or Bass Pro sticker on it. I wouldn't have any trouble articulating the fact that most people who support any of those groups/companies own some kind of weapon. It isn't abusing my power, it's just me wanting to make sure I go home to my family at the end of the day or try to prevent someone from doing something stupid that might keep them from going home that night. The biggest issue with that story was the stop, you can't stop someone just because. If you are, I would suggest reporting the officer to their supervisor.
I believe some of the reasons that GWs have more powers is because of some of the issues they deal with in their line of work. 1 Almost everyone they contact is either currently armed, or has easy access to a weapon. 2. A majority of the evidence they are looking for is very perishable and easily disposed of. 3. Most of their victims can't talk so it's up to them to come up with more physical evidence in a case because he can't call Bambi to the stage to tell how some jerk shot at him from the road at night.
I have nothing to hide when I'm hunting or fishing and have no problem proving it to an officer wanting to check me. I'm always glad to see them out there doing their job and I've never met one that I didn't BS with for a few minutes about hunting or fishing after being checked.
Bankbeater reply :
I have seen this happen during hunting season also. The Game Wardens will set up a blockage across a parking lot and you can't leave until they have check your vehicle.
Zach Dunham reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 6:18 PM, Bluebasser86 said:Not true, it's called a Terry Frisk. All the officer needs is reasonable suspicion, which is easy to have because most officers I know are suspicious of others by nature. Maybe his truck had an NRA, Glock, or Bass Pro sticker on it. I wouldn't have any trouble articulating the fact that most people who support any of those groups/companies own some kind of weapon. It isn't abusing my power, it's just me wanting to make sure I go home to my family at the end of the day or try to prevent someone from doing something stupid that might keep them from going home that night. The biggest issue with that story was the stop, you can't stop someone just because. If you are, I would suggest reporting the officer to their supervisor.
I believe some of the reasons that GWs have more powers is because of some of the issues they deal with in their line of work. 1 Almost everyone they contact is either currently armed, or has easy access to a weapon. 2. A majority of the evidence they are looking for is very perishable and easily disposed of. 3. Most of their victims can't talk so it's up to them to come up with more physical evidence in a case because he can't call Bambi to the stage to tell how some jerk shot at him from the road at night.
I have nothing to hide when I'm hunting or fishing and have no problem proving it to an officer wanting to check me. I'm always glad to see them out there doing their job and I've never met one that I didn't BS with for a few minutes about hunting or fishing after being checked.
I 100% guarantee you that if my person was frisked because I told an officer I didn't think I did what he said I did, I would win a lawsuit for a nice chunk of change. You can't feel up a person without good reason and me speeding or making an illegal turn is NOT reasonable suspicion OR probable cause to FRISK ME. Having an NRA sticker or BASS sticker on my truck is NOT reasonable suspicion to FRISK ME.
That IS abusing power. The people have a right to own weapons and a right to not have unreasonable search and seizure. Doing something that is perfectly within your rights is NOT reasonable suspicion or probable cause for a frisk.
I'm totally cool with opening my trunk or car door at a lake to show I have no fish. Or opening my livewells. Go for it. I give that up when I get a fishing license. You DON'T give up the right to deny getting felt up. Maybe I have a muskie hidden in my pocket....
0119 reply :
iabass8, this topic has nothing to do with fishing rights. The Officers tools to search conveyance's does not interfere with the act of a LAW OBIDING citizen in the sportsman like act of angling. Board members complaining that a few fleeting moments of their time are being taken just proves my constantly made point that today in American society, men are pansies. Every stinking one of us has the obligation given to you by God, to be a part of society. That includes being cooperative with the people whose duty it is to maintain the public good.
The only anglers who fear their rights are being yanked from them are those who have a baggie ofweed under the seat.
DelfiBoyz_One_and_Only reply :
It all comes down to the principle of the whole issue. If we keep on giving a inch before you know it all your rights will be gone. It's all a money making propaganda. I think it is complete bull for a GW or Conservation Officer to just stop you and check you for your papers. If you have done nothing wrong why are they harassing you? What gives them the authority to harass us for no reason? I can tell you this, we give them the authority because we don't challenge them (legally not violently people) enough. He who does not fight for his/her rights will lose them". There is plenty of good work for them to do instead of harassing people to hit their quota on tickets. I know people are going, wait there is no quotas anymore. I call BS, if you are not producing (tickets) then your bosses think you are not doing your job. So you are left fighting tooth and nail to get every ticket you can out of someone or at least one big ticket to show that you are working.
I sit back and watch the GW/CO where I fish hiding with binoculars waiting to watch someone cast a line then get all excited (Oh my gosh he is fishing better go check his papers) as they fly over and check them for everything they can think of. It's annoying when you are trying to fish a tournament and have them come check you for all your stuff (fire extinguisher, whistle, life vest, throwable cushion, license, boat registration, and soon boaters safety course certificate). Then the next time you’re out they do it all over again, they get a attitude when you remind them they checked you the last 3 time you been out. As soon as those requirements don't produce they will be looking for the next thing you must carry. I have a idea do some research, observe some people, wait for a crime to be committed, wait for someone to report something. Don't just play the lazy numbers game and get a ticket for every 20 people you harass.
We as Americans have RIGHTS. I feel we are just content that we are allowed to fish and don't want to mess that up so we don't question/ or challenge enough. I wonder where all the money from all these license, tickets, permits, and taxes are going? If you factor all that money (and it is a HUGE number) I can guarantee you this it's being spent on some pretty disappointing ish. Sure some of it is going to a wonderful cause but I bet more than half is not. These greedy sons-of-gun are still hungry and thinking of the next great plan to get more.
Just my 2 cents IMO
J-
Zach Dunham reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 7:14 PM, 119 said:iabass8, this topic has nothing to do with fishing rights. The Officers tools to search conveyance's does not interfere with the act of a LAW OBIDING citizen in the sportsman like act of angling. Board members complaining that a few fleeting moments of their time are being taken just proves my constantly made point that today in American society, men are pansies. Every stinking one of us has the obligation given to you by God, to be a part of society. That includes being cooperative with the people whose duty it is to maintain the public good.
The only anglers who fear their rights are being yanked from them are those who have a baggie ofweed under the seat.
I'm pretty sure the only one violating board rules is you, calling people pansies. I'm also pretty sure that laying down and letting the government walk all over you when you follow the rules qualifies as a pansy. Take your complaining about this thread elsewhere.
What DelfiBoyzBaits said is exactly correct. Keep giving a little because it doesn't seem like a big deal, and over many years your rights are completely eroded. Go read about the reasons our government was set up how it was and why we started this nation.
Lund Explorer reply :
I sure am happy to live in the State of Michigan. The only people who have lost their rights to hunt or fish are ones that have been convicted of breaking one or more of the existing hunting/fishing regulations.
It's a simple process. License fees pay for DNR officers to patrol and do random checks of fishermen/hunters, and those found in violation of the law will get a ticket, or a ride to the gray bar motel. Others are turned in by concerned residents through the "RAP" Report All Poaching program which can lead officers to your home if the initial investigation warrants the effort to continue to that stage, and those people can get a ticket or might be arrested. The violators get their day in court where they either plead guilty or go through a trial. All of the guilty are subject to the same penalties.
Reading the ON PATROL section of Michigan Out of Doors magazine offers a fairly good idea of what these dedicated officers face everyday they're on the job. These men and women are on the front lines of protecting our natural resources from the violators who don't think the rules apply to them. The only problem I see is that there aren't enough officers to cover all of the woods or waters.
I would suggest that if any of you are serious about seeing that your hunting or fishing opportunities aren't diminished by these poachers, that you spend time getting to know your local officers. Turn the visit they make with you into a proactive experience. I have NEVER had a negative experience with a DNR officer. I smile, and immediately offer them my license, or to check my gear, or any fish I have in the boat. If they want anything else, I gladly comply. The same thing goes whenever I come across fisheries employees are doing a survey, or a campground employee stops at my campsite.
The bottom line is that I'm one of those guys who helped fund their paycheck, and I'm glad that they are doing the jobs I hired them to do.
Zach Dunham reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 7:26 PM, Lund Explorer said:
I would suggest that if any of you are serious about seeing that your hunting or fishing opportunities aren't diminished by these poachers, that you spend time getting to know your local officers. Turn the visit they make with you into a proactive experience. I have NEVER had a negative experience with a DNR officer. I smile, and immediately offer them my license, or to check my gear, or any fish I have in the boat. If they want anything else, I gladly comply. The same thing goes whenever I come across fisheries employees are doing a survey, or a campground employee stops at my campsite.
The bottom line is that I'm one of those guys who helped fund their paycheck, and I'm glad that they are doing the jobs I hired them to do.
And there is where the line should be drawn. You shouldn't ever just give up your rights. Checking your gear, your trunk, and your boat is plenty enough if you have a license and are acting normal. There is no reason to do anything else unless they are on a power trip. Like I said before, I'm cool with giving a livewell search or even a trunk search. The problem is most of these guys are actually out to make some money for the department and write little tickets for silly things that aren't the real problem. Same goes for traffic violations.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 7:11 PM, imanidiot777 said:I 100% guarantee you that if my person was frisked because I told an officer I didn't think I did what he said I did, I would win a lawsuit for a nice chunk of change. You can't feel up a person without good reason and me speeding or making an illegal turn is NOT reasonable suspicion OR probable cause to FRISK ME. Having an NRA sticker or BASS sticker on my truck is NOT reasonable suspicion to FRISK ME.
That IS abusing power. The people have a right to own weapons and a right to not have unreasonable search and seizure. Doing something that is perfectly within your rights is NOT reasonable suspicion or probable cause for a search.
A Terry Frisk is different from a post arrest search. Generally, it's feeling the waistband and pockets, but the officer can not reach inside them unless something is found because it is a search for weapons only. Reasonable suspicion is basically less than probable cause and more than a hunch. So if the officer has no explanation of why they're wanting to pat you down then by all means let them know that you don't want them to, and you are correct that speeding or making an illegal turn is not a reason to search you. I know there is no way to convince you, but having been through the classes and studied the laws I'm sworn to uphold and protect, those stickers would 100% justify a Terry Frisk if the officer has requested you to get out of the vehicle to search it. If there is no reason to search it then tell them you don't want them to search it and you won't have to worry about it. It isn't saying people don't have a right to own weapons and it isn't an unreasonable search or seizure. Feel free to read up on Terry V. Ohio on the matter if you'd like a better understanding of your rights on the situation.
Zach Dunham reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 7:32 PM, Bluebasser86 said:search you. I know there is no way to convince you, but having been through the classes and studied the laws I'm sworn to uphold and protect, those stickers would 100% justify a Terry Frisk if the officer has requested you to get out of the vehicle to search it. If there is no reason to search it then tell them you don't want them to search it and you won't have to worry about it. It isn't saying people don't have a right to own weapons and it isn't an unreasonable search or seizure. Feel free to read up on Terry V. Ohio on the matter if you'd like a better understanding of your rights on the situation.
I do not believe that to be true. And if that is true, then I have lost all hope for this country. The day that me having a Bass Pro Shops sticker on my truck makes me a reasonable Terry frisk target, I will go down fighting it.
EDIT: I just asked a buddy of mine who is a lawyer and he says that is DEFINITELY not cause for a Terry Frisk. Your conduct is the only thing that can give reasonable suspicion for that. So if you are following rules and aren't under the influence or threatening, a sticker in no way can justify that as it is a first amendment right.
Lund Explorer reply :
By the way, if you are one of the group that thinks that conservation officers have too much power, there are several cures.
1. Become a CO yourself. Then you can do things your own way. You'll get to deal with all of the other fishermen or hunters and can explain why you are stopping them. You can explain to the witness of a game law violation what you can do about it. See how much fun it is when the others look at you like the enemy when you can't address their problems!
2. Run for Congress. Don't just whine to your elected officials, become one. You'll get the chance to explain to everyone in your district exactly how you feel about the issues, and you will get immediate feedback at the ballot box. It's a great opportunity to see if your views line up with the majority!
Lund Explorer reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 7:32 PM, imanidiot777 said:And there is where the line should be drawn. You shouldn't ever just give up your rights. Checking your gear, your trunk, and your boat is plenty enough if you have a license and are acting normal. There is no reason to do anything else unless they are on a power trip. Like I said before, I'm cool with giving a livewell search or even a trunk search. The problem is most of these guys are actually out to make some money for the department and write little tickets for silly things that aren't the real problem. Same goes for traffic violations.
Every time you run across a DNR officer that has a bad attitude, this is the reason they are that way!
hatrix reply :
I am not trying to rant of flame but the ignorance of the world around some people is slightly heart breaking.
"Sure you can do whatever you want cause you enforce the laws and I have nothing to hide"
People who fight for there rights are the #2 threat for terrorism behind returning vets being #1. How can that ever be?
J Francho reply :
The contempt some have for the people that protect our privilege to hunt and fish is ironic to me.
DelfiBoyz_One_and_Only reply :
I am not so sure they are protecting our rights or protecting their own interest. FISHING/Hunting is not and should not be a privilege it should be a right. At one time it was a right. Your words are correct now it is a privilege. One day they will limit how many cast you can make a season. It's amazing how much damage can occur from one little drop of water over a long period of time. Drip by drip they are changing all of our rights into privileges, so what's next. I know the extreme changes are not going to happen probably in my life time but what about my kids, and their kids, and their kids ect.
On 4/8/2014 at 8:47 PM, J Francho said:The contempt some have for the people that protect our privilege to hunt and fish is ironic to me.
J-
J Francho reply :
Interesting perspective. In my state, our rights to fish have been broadened in my lifetime. This was achieved by anglers engaging the DEC, and organizing ourselves into one loud voice. I'm not going to get into the political details here, but suffice it to say, cooperation works better than disobedience.
Brian Needham reply :
there are crooked people and crooked cops/GW/DNR.
don't let a bad apple ruin the bunch.
We just want to fish, they just want to do thier job and go home (like the rest of us)
sure there are picky game wardens and cool game wardens.
There are many obscure rules/regs to being on the water...... make sure you read your states manual.
K_Mac reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 7:14 PM, 119 said:iabass8, this topic has nothing to do with fishing rights. The Officers tools to search conveyance's does not interfere with the act of a LAW OBIDING citizen in the sportsman like act of angling. Board members complaining that a few fleeting moments of their time are being taken just proves my constantly made point that today in American society, men are pansies. Every stinking one of us has the obligation given to you by God, to be a part of society. That includes being cooperative with the people whose duty it is to maintain the public good.
The only anglers who fear their rights are being yanked from them are those who have a baggie ofweed under the seat.
It is always fascinating to see how any discussion of this nature always swings quickly to the extremes. I too wish there were more DNR agents out there to enforce the law, and do not mind being stopped and having a thorough check done of my boat to assure compliance with the law. I would also agree that those who protect and serve are worthy of our respect. That is not to say that we don't need to be vigilant that in our efforts to protect the "greater good" we don't allow individual freedoms to be infringed. There are many of us who don't have a bag of weed in our vehicles that have a healthy fear of too much government involvement in our personal lives. How "too much" is defined is worthy of discussion, whether it is in fishing regulation and enforcement or what kind of fat is allowed in our food.
On 4/8/2014 at 7:15 PM, DelfiBoyzBaits said:It all comes down to the principle of the whole issue. If we keep on giving a inch before you know it all your rights will be gone. It's all a money making propaganda. I think it is complete bull for a GW or Conservation Officer to just stop you and check you for your papers. If you have done nothing wrong why are they harassing you? What gives them the authority to harass us for no reason? I can tell you this, we give them the authority because we don't challenge them (legally not violently people) enough. He who does not fight for his/her rights will lose them". There is plenty of good work for them to do instead of harassing people to hit their quota on tickets. I know people are going, wait there is no quotas anymore. I call BS, if you are not producing (tickets) then your bosses think you are not doing your job. So you are left fighting tooth and nail to get every ticket you can out of someone or at least one big ticket to show that you are working.
I sit back and watch the GW/CO where I fish hiding with binoculars waiting to watch someone cast a line then get all excited (Oh my gosh he is fishing better go check his papers) as they fly over and check them for everything they can think of. It's annoying when you are trying to fish a tournament and have them come check you for all your stuff (fire extinguisher, whistle, life vest, throwable cushion, license, boat registration, and soon boaters safety course certificate). Then the next time you’re out they do it all over again, they get a attitude when you remind them they checked you the last 3 time you been out. As soon as those requirements don't produce they will be looking for the next thing you must carry. I have a idea do some research, observe some people, wait for a crime to be committed, wait for someone to report something. Don't just play the lazy numbers game and get a ticket for every 20 people you harass.
We as Americans have RIGHTS. I feel we are just content that we are allowed to fish and don't want to mess that up so we don't question/ or challenge enough. I wonder where all the money from all these license, tickets, permits, and taxes are going? If you factor all that money (and it is a HUGE number) I can guarantee you this it's being spent on some pretty disappointing ish. Sure some of it is going to a wonderful cause but I bet more than half is not. These greedy sons-of-gun are still hungry and thinking of the next great plan to get more.
Just my 2 cents IMO
J-
0119 reply :
Many of you guys prove my point. For you it's all Me Me what about me. My rights My privacy. It's the I'm more important mentality your father's didn't have that made them men. Something most aren't any more. No wonder the sovereign citizen movement is growing by leaps and bounds. It's all about 'me' not your obligation to society or the simple ground rules your God and maker has put down. What makes 'me' happy is all that matters.
K_Mac reply :
0119 your superior attitude does nothing to make your point. Real men can, and will challenge your beliefs about obligations and authority. Get over it.
buzzed bait reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 10:51 PM, 119 said:Many of you guys prove my point. For you it's all Me Me what about me. My rights My privacy. It's the I'm more important mentality your father's didn't have that made them men. Something most aren't any more. No wonder the sovereign citizen movement is growing by leaps and bounds. It's all about 'me' not your obligation to society or the simple ground rules your God and maker has put down. What makes 'me' happy is all that matters.
pretty close minded and foolish approach to say that ONE generation is somehow a universe removed from another.....
Perhaps you should review the constitution that is now 230+ years strong. it clearly outlines the need for self governance and stresses the importance of a balance of power..... and to say it is selfish to be concerned with my rights or my privacy, well then i'd be fairly proud to be selfish sir......
read below, just look at it through a different lens for a minute to understand that what impacts 1 impacts all.....
'the rights of everyman are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened" - JFK
0119 reply :
Yet more proof. because no one's rights were infringed on. You, no one here knows what the truth of the matter really was. And, there was no right involved. Signing the license is acknowledging you understand it's a privilege, one that can be removed and one with stipulations.
DelfiBoyz_One_and_Only reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 11:33 PM, 119 said:Yet more proof. because no one's rights were infringed on. You, no one here knows what the truth of the matter really was. And, there was no right involved. Signing the license is acknowledging you understand it's a privilege, one that can be removed and one with stipulations.
Once again they took our "fathers" right to fish and changed it into a privilege... Yeah, I bet our fathers (as you referred to them) would just sit around and except that. I myself have never had any illegal issues with the CO/GW and never plan too. That being said we don't need any more officers because that just means a bigger fines for petty stuff or some other new money making citation, to pay their salaries! We can and should police our own waters and lands, instead of having someone do it for us. I am not saying that CO/GW shouldn't exist but they should change the ways they do things. I am all for calling the authorities when you see something worth reporting, just not being harassed for doing nothing just because they can. We should all be on the same team and most sportsman wants what’s best for the resource. We shouldn’t have to give up rights in order for justice to happen.
J-
Lund Explorer reply :
On 4/9/2014 at 2:48 AM, DelfiBoyzBaits said:Once again they took our "fathers" right to fish and changed it into a privilege... Yeah, I bet our fathers (as you referred to them) would just sit around and except that. I myself have never had any illegal issues with the CO/GW and never plan too. That being said we don't need any more officers because that just means a bigger fines for petty stuff or some other new money making citation, to pay their salaries! We can and should police our own waters and lands, instead of having someone do it for us. I am not saying that CO/GW shouldn't exist but they should change the ways they do things. I am all for calling the authorities when you see something worth reporting, just not being harassed for doing nothing just because they can. We should all be on the same team and most sportsman wants what’s best for the resource. We shouldn’t have to give up rights in order for justice to happen.
J-
Your argument would carry a little weight if you provide some wee shred of proof, such as who "they" are, and when they "took" away your rights. It was quite simple to see that a resident of the State of Virginia never, I'll repeat that, NEVER, had the "right" to fish until the adoption of Article XI, Section 4 of your state's constitution.
So did this group called THEY, take it away after that point?
You may also want to read Section 2 of that article as it clearly states a viewpoint completely different than yours.
hatrix reply :
On 4/8/2014 at 10:51 PM, 119 said:Many of you guys prove my point. For you it's all Me Me what about me. My rights My privacy. It's the I'm more important mentality your father's didn't have that made them men. Something most aren't any more. No wonder the sovereign citizen movement is growing by leaps and bounds. It's all about 'me' not your obligation to society or the simple ground rules your God and maker has put down. What makes 'me' happy is all that matters.
It is not ME ME ME. People use them self as a example and talk in the first person. These people are actually standing up for everyone and that includes you even if you don't like them for some reason. Someone has to take a stand against things and be the voice of many no matter what the issue is. To many nowadays and just contempt to let things be even if they know its wrong. They just let it slide or look the other way.
0119 reply :
But the stand isn't for any reason except petty selfishness. It still stands that it's a privilege you agreed to when you accepted and got a license. If you don't like the taxation........ get the heck out. Leave. Find a place that better suits your selfish needs.
Missourifishin reply :
I'm on a first name basis with the conservation agents in both my home county, and the county I currently reside in. I have a lot of respect for them and the job they do. Usually they check my license early in the year. And then, since they know me, they don't ask me for it again for the rest of the year, and any future encounters I have with them are friendly conversations. If they ever asked nicely to search my truck, I would probably hand them the keys and tell them to go ahead as long as I could keep fishing while they do 
That being said, I think our founding fathers would be appalled that some people believe we should accept authority just because, and that we should not be concerned with our rights. Here are a couple of quote from Thomas Jefferson:
1. "A Bill Of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference."
2. "Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I did not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but they tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."
Oh, and while searching for the exact wording on those, I stumbled upon a third one, which might be the MOST IMPORTANT ONE FOR THIS TOPIC
3. "I never consider a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as a cause for withdrawing from a friend."
K_Mac reply :
On 4/9/2014 at 4:17 AM, 119 said:But the stand isn't for any reason except petty selfishness. It still stands that it's a privilege you agreed to when you accepted and got a license. If you don't like the taxation........ get the heck out. Leave. Find a place that better suits your selfish needs.
I can accept the passion of the youngsters even if I disagree with them on this topic. Your response, whether you understand it or not, is completely self-serving. Do you honestly think that because someone challenges the status quo or questions authority that they are somehow less American than you?? There are many things I disagree with in our system of government, taxation being one of the most abused powers in my opinion. Many have fought and died for our right to say and think what we want. If you do not like that free exchange of ideas, maybe it is you who needs to find somewhere else to go where speech is more tightly regulated.
Brian Needham reply :
I think this thread is about to set with the sun...
DelfiBoyz_One_and_Only reply :
On 4/9/2014 at 3:46 AM, Lund Explorer said:Your argument would carry a little weight if you provide some wee shred of proof, such as who "they" are, and when they "took" away your rights. It was quite simple to see that a resident of the State of Virginia never, I'll repeat that, NEVER, had the "right" to fish until the adoption of Article XI, Section 4 of your state's constitution.
So did this group called THEY, take it away after that point?
You may also want to read Section 2 of that article as it clearly states a viewpoint completely different than yours.
It all started with a mandatory fishing license back in the early 1900's when fishing licenses became required. The state constitution talks nothing about having the right to fish only if you have a fishing license. All those requirements happened after the fact. That is when it became a privilege and not a right. My whole point is actually a question. When is enough, enough?
J-
Lund Explorer reply :
On 4/9/2014 at 5:02 AM, DelfiBoyzBaits said:It all started with a mandatory fishing license back in the early 1900's when fishing licenses became required. The state constitution talks nothing about having the right to fish only if you have a fishing license. All those requirements happened after the fact. That is when it became a privilege and not a right. My whole point is actually a question. When is enough, enough?
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In other words, your rights were taken away once you had to pay for it?
Virginia's constitution was adopted in 1776. Article XI clearly states that it is the governments duty to protect the natural resources (fish included I suppose) for the benefit of all it's residents. Article XI, Section 4 was not adopted until 2001.
Regardless, a right is given to the people, by the people. The mere fact that your state or any other has charged a license fee to fund the work required by the constitution doesn't take away your specific right. To say so, then you lost the right to drive on smooth roads the minute they came up with a gas tax!
DelfiBoyz_One_and_Only reply :
On 4/9/2014 at 5:12 AM, Lund Explorer said:In other words, your rights were taken away once you had to pay for it?
Virginia's constitution was adopted in 1776. Article XI clearly states that it is the governments duty to protect the natural resources (fish included I suppose) for the benefit of all it's residents. Article XI, Section 4 was not adopted until 2001.
Regardless, a right is given to the people, by the people. The mere fact that your state or any other has charged a license fee to fund the work required by the constitution doesn't take away your specific right. To say so, then you lost the right to drive on smooth roads the minute they came up with a gas tax!
No the rights you give up are the rights to travel unmolested. Cops are not allowed to walk up to you and search you for no reason at all. But CO/GW can they can search you at will and invade your privacy just because you are in the act of fishing. What makes that right? We might as well be in Germany with our papers in hand ready to show it at will on command. Paying for the license is not the problem its what you are agreeing to by doing so!
J
0119 reply :
And still the simple fact remains. No one right to fish was lost or infringed upon. It's like complaining about your radiator when you have a flat tire. If an officer and its an if, had searched a conveyance, it did not stop the o.p.'s act of fishing. Besides his right was voluntarily waived as was yours when you accepted the license you requested.
DelfiBoyz_One_and_Only reply :
On 4/9/2014 at 5:27 AM, 119 said:And still the simple fact remains. No one right to fish was lost or infringed upon. It's like complaining about your radiator when you have a flat tire. If an officer and its an if, had searched a conveyance, it did not stop the o.p.'s act of fishing. Besides his right was voluntarily waived as was yours when you accepted the license you requested.
Correct it was forfeited by wanting to have the privilege to fish. Which brings me back to square one, giving up or as you put it waiving my right just to be able to fish. It's a principal thing. I have given MHO on the topic there isn't any need for me to keep beating a dead horse over it. Just my two cents all take it how you will. Good discussion all thanks for giving me time to vent.
J
The Commodore reply :
It's the same with a concealed weapons license.
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On 4/9/2014 at 5:27 AM, 119 said:And still the simple fact remains. No one right to fish was lost or infringed upon. It's like complaining about your radiator when you have a flat tire. If an officer and its an if, had searched a conveyance, it did not stop the o.p.'s act of fishing. Besides his right was voluntarily waived as was yours when you accepted the license you requested.
I may be wrong, but I believe you are misinterpreting the title of the thread. It would be easier to understand if worded this way:
"Giving up your rights just to fish." or something along those lines. his rights to fish weren't infringed, but the belief is that his rights are infringed because he fished.
EvanT123 reply :
Well this thread has taken quite a few turns. But as stated just above the point of the thread was the fact that it was new to me that I had given up some rights in order to fish. This is not something explained when one purchases a fishing license. Since I don't hunt and practice c/r only using artificial baits maybe it was on me to read the fish and game hand book. I don't really care either way since like stated before I have nothing to hide. However I thought it was worth noting and posting about since many of us are returning to fishing with the nicer weather upon us and that hopefully someone anyone would think twice before doing something illegal.
Also I would hope but maybe not always the case that most LEO would have the commen sense, experience and intuition to excuse my pun tell when something is fishy and not inconvience people just out for a good time and not breaking law.
J Francho reply :
I think that wraps it up.
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