Why Assume the current WR is a Lie?? 2024

guest reply :

In all the current hubub about the cali 25 lber everyone (except the Georgia boys) seems to take for granted that the Perry fish is a fraud. Why?

The lack of photo evidence etc. doesn't necessarily mean anything. I don't think people were as record crazy then as they are now. This was at the height of the great depression and most people couldn't have cared less. The man was fishing for food and in fact ate this trophy.

Alot has been dug up about in Perry, but the only prizes were from the field and stream magazine (I think??) anyway, I seem to remember him requesting free lures from the Creek Chub lure company who turned him down!!>

Seriously, the IGFA is a pretty serious organization. If there was something solid to disprove this fish why han't they done it?

cajun1977. reply :

people dont try to give it credit just to have something to b@#$h about like starting a arguement just for the sake of starting a arguement

i for one think its real why shouldnt i

JayDub reply :

Seriously... just because no one has caught a bigger one since doesn't neccesarily make it a fake. The prize was $75 in merchandise in Field and Stream Mag. The world record bass meant almost nothing back then... he would have no reason to go through the trouble of fraud.

CJ reply :

I think the current WR is legit.I'm with Avid and Cajun 1977.I think Perry's fish should be left alone and respected as the WR.

Glenn reply :

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people dont try to give it credit just to have something to b@#$h about like starting a arguement just for the sake of starting a arguement
i for one think its real why shouldnt i

Amen to that!

KYbass1276 reply :

I kind of like the no picture theory myself considering the fact that it was the great depression and the fact that people didn't have disposable cameras or digital camera's and picture printers or a local wal-mart where they could go and have this picture developed. I read a a letter perry wrote in I think octobers issue of bassmasters where was asking for lures from creek chub lure company and it said something about a picture I'm not exactly sure what it said word for word but he did mention a picture of the fish. More than likely he only had one picture of the fish and it was sent to lure company for the reasons of getting free lures Why not it was the depression I'm sure he didn't have money to just go out and spend on fishing gear and tackle. I beleve perrys fish is legit, And 100% agree with avid That fish was not worth then what it would be now

earthworm77 reply :

I'm a show me kind of guy. The only photo I've seen of Perry was a shot the following year from the Field and Stream contest. In it he is pictured with a fish of about 6lbs that he claimed was 13.4. That is part of the reason I doubt the credibility of his catch, A- that photo was a fraud and B, for all of the people who said he didn't have a camera, he obviously did. So I still question, where was the photo of the current World Record. If I saw something remotely close to being a giant fish, I would jump into the water with the rest of you who believe it, until then I think it is a hoax that has withstood the test of time.

5bass reply :

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I'm a show me kind of guy. The only photo I've seen of Perry was a shot the following year from the Field and Stream contest. In it he is pictured with a fish of about 6lbs that he claimed was 13.4. That is part of the reason I doubt the credibility of his catch, A- that photo was a fraud and B, for all of the people who said he didn't have a camera, he obviously did. So I still question, where was the photo of the current World Record. If I saw something remotely close to being a giant fish, I would jump into the water with the rest of you who believe it, until then I think it is a hoax that has withstood the test of time.

I agree EW,the guy had a picture taken of a "13 pounder" that was at most about 6 pounds,it's on the cover of one of my Bassmasters.Maybe his scale was off and his "WR fish" actually weighed about 15,that would have been more believable.

And for someone to say that $75 wasnt jacks$%^& and why would he lie for $75?Well,in 1932,during the depression,$75 greenbacks was a whole lot of money.

And IGFA was not so "stand-up" during the years that they denied the smallmouth record......that guy had more than enough proof about his fish.Way more than Perry and that "22# largemouth".

janalon reply :

If matters little, cause it is the world record. I do not think that show and telling all the nay sayers is part of the rules, thank goodness, because then there would not be a WR.

earthworm77 reply :

Sure there would be, Bob Crupi would own it. 22-1

Captain Cali reply :

Does anyone have links to this 13.4 that was closer to 6? That is very interesting to me and would tell me a lot about George W. Perry. It would at least tell me that he over estimates weight or is a liar. One or the other. Why not question Perry's record? We have zero proof it even existed so of course some will question it. Why shouldn't we? Because the almighty IGFA says so? Give me a break! That is the same organization that dragged the SMB record through the mud, is it not?

5bass reply :

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If matters little, cause it is the world record. I do not think that show and telling all the nay sayers is part of the rules, thank goodness, because then there would not be a WR.

Thats a bad way to look at it.Wouldnt you like to see a pic of Perry's fish?If you would acknowledge the lack of proof and facts about it,you may see things differently.But maybe not.

Just check out his "13 pounder",that will tell you something about him or his scale that was obviously WAY off.

KYbass1276 reply :

Roger you might be able to access it through bassmaster.com. It was on the cover of the october 05 issue

Triton_Mike reply :

I'm not getting into this one this time. Enjoy it guys

T mike

5bass reply :

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I'm not getting into this one this time. Enjoy it guys
T mike

earthworm77 reply :

You ask, you get

Captain Cali reply :

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Roger you might be able to access it through bassmaster.com. It was on the cover of the october 05 issue

Thanks....this is the best I could find. And it looks like it's the September 2005 edition.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/outdoors/bassmaster/members/insider/more?page=Bass_Magazine_archive

I can't see the picture too good since it's small but I would bet a lot of cash that is not even a 10 pound bass. Perry is either a liar or over estimates weight! No doubt about that in my mind. The fish in my avatar looks bigger and that is a little over 5 pounds!!

BTW, my fish was weighed on a Shimano spring scale and I believe it was bigger then what the scale said. Came home and tested the scale to be pretty accurate so it's a 5er to me even though I believe it was bigger. I now own a much better and easier to read digital scale.

Edit: Just saw EW's post. Much better picture and that bass is not even close to 13 pounds. Sorry Mr. Perry! You're either a liar or have very bad judgement when it comes to estimating weight.

5bass reply :

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Edit: Just saw EW's post. Much better picture and that bass is not even close to 10 pounds. Sorry Mr. Perry! You're either a liar or have very bad judgement when it comes to estimating weight.

Or his scale was a real piece of crap.

earthworm77 reply :

Roger that is the exact photo I was talking about. The one I posted is of the same fish but it does look a little larger than the fish on the cover of the Sept 2005 issue.

Once again I agree. After reading about this for the past several years and also learning about the letters Perry wrote to Creek Chub trying to get free lures in exchange for a photo of the record that he never produced, I conclude that this guy was a scammer. I've never said before that he was a liar but now I am saying just that. Nostalgically its a great story but I'm convinced it is fake.

Captain Cali reply :

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Edit: Just saw EW's post. Much better picture and that bass is not even close to 10 pounds. Sorry Mr. Perry! You're either a liar or have very bad judgement when it comes to estimating weight.

Or his scale was a real piece of crap.

Could be. It could be that the 22.25 was weighed on a crappy scale too. Things that make you go..."huh?" :-?

5bass reply :

That's exactly what I was saying.....maybe his 22 pounder actually weighed 15 since he thought the 6 pounder weighed 13,making his scale off by 7 pounds.

Jnamo reply :

I thought I read somewhere that Perrys bass may have been a Striper and he didn't know the difference. I remember reading somewhere that a member of this site did a lot of research on Perry (maybe it was EW77) and that they had a lot of unanswered quetions about Perry's fish. I too have trouble excepting a fish without any pics. Those eye witnesses of Perrys may not have known the difference between a striper and a Largemouth. Who knows for sure???

Nice 13 pound bass...NOT

Jeff

Mattlures reply :

I am one of the greatest WR doubters but I have to disagree about that fish beeing 6lbs. However its no whare near 13. I would call it 8-9lbs. If you guys have studdied the facts about the WR you will see so many holes in it. BTW When the IGFA was formed they adopted some records that had already been around including Fied and Streams record of perry's bass. And to say that F&S is a credible source is a stretch. There were 3 or four other claims that F&S published up to 25lbers and each one blew up in their faces as there were proven to be frauds. These were all atempting to win the F&S prize. So they were trying it back than too. But the bigest thing for me is the measuremants. They simply do not add up to 22.4 I am not talking about a wieght calculator either. I am talking about common sence. With those numbers that fish should have been at least 25lbs. But back then there were no other documented giant fish to compare it to so Perry was at least kinda close when he guessed the measurments of his make believe fish

5bass reply :

Matt,I thought the pic on the Bassmaster mag cover (bass on tool box) was the one he claimed was 13 pounds.Regardless,neither one was anywhere close to 13 pounds.

earthworm77 reply :

I think they are both the same fish. They are both listed at 13.4 and you are right, neither is even half of that.

janalon reply :

Sure I would like to see a pic of perry's fish, no such luck though. It is still the one to beat and I know it will be beat real soon, however they will still be the nay sayers, there always will be.

guest reply :

OK, my question has been answered. This is no evidence that Perry did NOT catch a 22 lber. it's just the lack of absolute proof that he did that fuels the doubters. Personally I don't see any reason why a 22 lb largemouth couldn't come from Georgia waters.

As far as the small mouth record goes there is the absolute fact that no one has ever caught a smallmouth that even comes close to that weight. So if using "circumstantial evidence" is your argument for doubting a record, then you are on pretty solid ground doubting the smb record.

It's got to be tough for an organization like IGFA to certify records that existed before they did. But do they have a choice? If the recognized authority at the time i.e. Field and stream recongnized it then it's only right to assume it correct.

cart7t reply :

That fish is no 6lber.

The mouth alone is big enough for 1 1/2 of his fists to fit in.

Just leave it be.

janalon reply :

The record will have to be broken, not discarded. I really do not think that anyone would want to discard it. Bash it and throw doubt on it yes, just like some will do to the next WR. But to discard it would only bring the weight down to a more attainable goal, I really don't think anyone would want that.

RoLo reply :

I never felt that the current world record largemouth bass was devious or dishonest.

To my knowledge, George Perry fulfilled all the obligations necessary to qualify his fish

as the world record. There is a question that does comes to mind however.

If that same bass were caught today would it qualify as a world record under the new

more stringent IGFA regulations? In any case, George Perry has grandfather rights

and remains the rightful holder of the world record largemouth.

Now then, whenever new evidence emerges that suggests that an old record may not qualify

by today's standards, that record goes under scrutiny. Such was the case with the former

25-lb world-record walleye taken from Old Hickory Lake, TN. It was ultimately sticken from the record

because it was shrouded by mysteries and inconsistencies. Although the current world-record

largemouth has often been challenged, Mr. Perry's record bass remains intact.

The IGFA is very tough, they stripped the David Hayes world-record smallmouth from the books,

only to eat humble pie and reinstate the record. In the final analysis, George Perry's record

may be non-conforming, but it it's good enough for the IGFA, it's good enough for me.

Roger

KYbass1276 reply :

After looking at my sept issue of bassmasters, I definatly agree that that fish was not 13 pounds. There is no way Even if the scales were off You could still see that it is not 13 pounds. I might have to eat my words on my previous posts and lean more toward the side of the WR being BS

youngbasser87 reply :

I agree with you guys. That bass is not 13 pounds. The bass looks to me like he might go around 8 pounds but not much more than that. I just caught a 5-6 pound bass today in the fridged cold and he was just a tad bit smaller than that one he's holding. I like to have proof of a catch on a bass that big, like the Jed Dickerson fish in 2003.

Rattletrap reply :

For crying out loud. Bad mouthing Perry's world record while praising the Cali Snag Master's. Unbelievable. :-/ Georgia holds the record and the Cali Snag Master's still can't take it. ;D When's the next Cali Snag Masters Championship? ;D

Captain Cali reply :

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For crying out loud. Bad mouthing Perry's world record while praising the Cali Snag Master's. Unbelievable. :-/ Georgia holds the record and the Cali Snag Master's still can't take it. ;D When's the next Cali Snag Masters Championship? ;D

> > Why did you have to go there dude? That whole post rubs me the wrong way. Cali Snag Masters? Screw that!! :-X :-X

You question the Cali catch soooo much. Why don't you spend some time questioning Perry's catch insead of bad mouthing the Cali catch? We all know, and most agree, the Cali catch wont be the WR so why do you have to keep pounding that point to death?

janalon reply :

Correct me if I am wrong, but I read that Perry's scale was not his own, but belonged to the general store manager in Helena (a notiery) who used it for postage. There is no mention on where the fish was hooked.

Uh oh!

buzzbaitfool12 reply :

Roger you are calling the dude either a lier or doesnt know how to read scales..What allows you to doubt or discredit someone but when it is done to you you want to say give me a break..dude come on..both sides of this argument have made good points..I am 33 years old,lived in Georgia my whole life did a report in the fifth grade about this..I am not 100% sold on Perry catching a wr bass in 1932, but I was not there..So when we talk about this there are not a lot of facts to whether this fish did weigh 22.4 but its in the books and we will have to wait until someone breaks this record..THIS RECORD WILL FALL IN CALI AND WILL FALL SOON..There is no doubt in my mind..I would bet the farm on it..In the Lake Dixon article I notice the last paragraph talking about the next wr fish coming from lake dixon or california because of all the stocking of trout..I dont agree with this but it is what it is..Buzz

Rattletrap reply :

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For crying out loud. Bad mouthing Perry's world record while praising the Cali Snag Master's. Unbelievable. :-/ Georgia holds the record and the Cali Snag Master's still can't take it. ;D When's the next Cali Snag Masters Championship? ;D

> > Why did you have to go there dude? That whole post rubs me the wrong way. Cali Snag Masters? Screw that!! :-X :-X

You question the Cali catch soooo much. Why don't you spend some time questioning Perry's catch insead of bad mouthing the Cali catch? We all know, and most agree, the Cali catch wont be the WR so why do you have to keep pounding that point to death?

LOL. People have been pounding Perry for 74 years. I pound Cali for a few weeks. I have 74 years to go right? It works both way guys. Bottom line! Georgia owns the WR, and some people are hating it. Keep on fishing Cali, ya'll will break it oneday. It's only a matter of time. But it want be by the Snag Master's.

bobo reply :

It seems alot of the guys that are defending the 25lbr are insulting the crap out of Perry. That fish in that picture def looks nice.

I guess you guys are use to those deformed cali fish.... heh sounds like you guys are on some kinda Cali agenda or something.

Starting to see a distubing trend in the forums

Rattletrap reply :

Yep. Them Cali boys have been dogging Perry since I have been on this forum. Heaven forbid if we make a comment about there catches. If somebody dishes it out, they better learn how to take it. Opinions work both ways I thought????

Captain Cali reply :

I never called Perry a liar. I said he is either a liar or has a hard time estimating weight. I then agreed that maybe his scale was a piece of crap. Take your pick but I never flat out called him a liar.

Rattletrap reply :

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I never called Perry a liar. I said he is either a liar or has a hard time estimating weight. I then agreed that maybe his scale was a piece of crap. Take your pick but I never flat out called him a liar.

LOL. I rest my case..... :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X

Captain Cali reply :

Rattletrap...I also did not make a comment like "When is the next Georgia Liars fair?" now did I?

The way I see it, "Cali Snagmaster Championships" is a direct attack on all California anglers. And I took it personally. I don't care what little smiley you put on it.

Mattlures reply :

The bottom line is there is no proof of Perry's fish and there is no doubt of Macs fish. Ok now before you GA boys start replying be sure to read the rest. What I am saying is the fish itself not the tactics. Knowbody even knows if Perry's fish even existed. But everybody in the fishing world knows Mac caught his fish. Rattletrep can slam him any way he wants by using words like "snag masters" or "so called trophy hunters" but the facts are Mac caught the biggest bass in recorded history and there is no real proof of Perry's fish

You know Perry's fish, if it existed is only the third largest bass. Duclos's bass was apoxamatly 24lbs and he had picture to back it up. unfortunatley he never weighed on a certified scale, or even a fishing scale.

Rattletrap reply :

LOL. You guys must have nightmares about a Georgia boy holding the WR for 74 years. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Cali has a picture, and Georgia has the record. Hmmmmm. Who holds the record? Hmmmmm........ :'(

Mattlures reply :

Rattletrap your the one that seems to be hung up on the Cali GA thing. It seems to me the only reason your so adimate on defending The WR is because you are from there. Personaly I dont care were it comes from. I only hope that who ever cacthes it worked for it. I would be happy if it came from Mexico or Japan as long as it beats what I believe to be the biggest fraud in fishing history.

OK what makes you so sure Perry even caught a 22.4

Captain Cali reply :

So...like I asked before...are you going to question Perry's catch like your bashing the Cali guys?

Or are you going to tell me once again that Georgia still holds the WR and blah blah blah?

Rattletrap reply :

I'm just busting Cali's chops. I don't want anybody to get violent. I'll quit. Keep on Bassin!!!!!

Rattletrap reply :

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So...like I asked before...are you going to question Perry's catch like your bashing the Cali guys?
Or are you going to tell me once again that Georgia still holds the WR and blah blah blah?

We hold the record. I and Georgia don't have to prove anything. The next person trying to take the title does, and they have to do it correctly. It's not my rules dude.

Captain Cali reply :

You're not going to question Perry's catch but you will call the Cali guys names and question them. I rest my case.

bobo reply :

It's pretty dang hard to question sometihng 74 years old... And if it's 74's years old, it must be pretty stout..

I get a kick out of you guys saying that fish in that old pic isn't 13lbs, when there nothing about it to indicate otherwise. I'm just curious on how yall get that fish isn't 10lbs, hah maybe Perry isn't the one that needs to work on his fish estimation...

Captain Cali reply :

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It's pretty dang hard to question sometihng 74 years old... And if it's 74's years old, it must be pretty stout..

Just because it's a 74 year old record doesn't mean it is a true record. That argument doesn't hold much water. No one will deny that it's been in the record books for 74 years. What we are debating is should it have been in the record books to begin with. Obviously we can only debate that because the IGFA will not remove the record.

bobo reply :

Sure it's possible it's not true. But yah a 74 year old record does holds alot of water. In 74 years, anyone offered proof it wasn't 22lbs? I mean some have called him a liar from this picture posted. I mean, I practicaly busted out laughing when yall said this fish wasn't even 10 , much less 13 hahah

If your basis for the 22lb record is that you "think" that other pic is of a small 6lb fish, heh i'm gonna stop wasn't my time with you guys.

Mattlures reply :

Hey Bobo I have a bunch of reasons. how about this one. Ray Scot the founder of B.A.S.S. sent one of his reporters to do an interview with Perry and administer a lie detector test.......Perry only did the interveiw. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM I wonder why?

Also No other bass from GA has even come close to 22.4lbs.

The measurements dont add up. That fish was 4 inches longer than Jeds fish when he caught it and I think 2 1l2 inches fatter than Jeds fish. When Jed first weighed it it was 22.9lbs but later the oficail weight was 21lbs 11oz Perry measurements were MUCH larger and it only weighed 1/2 lb more. Perry's numbers dont add up.

Perry's fishing partner was never located and to this day has not been located for comment.

Perry changed his story on the bait he used.

Perry wrote a letter to the creek chub bait co and told them he had a picture of the fish and would give it to them for some lures. That Picture has never bee made public......How come?

Perry did win the contest with that fish pictured in which he claims it to be over 13lbs . Now I will agree with you that the fish looks bigger than 6 or even 8 but I doubt even you honestly believe its over 13lbs

I personaly think its around 9lbs.

These are the biggest reasons for me.

There are actualy more good reasons but I think theese should suffice

KU_Bassmaster. reply :

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The bottom line is there is no proof of Perry's fish and there is no doubt of Macs fish. Ok now before you GA boys start replying be sure to read the rest. What I am saying is the fish itself not the tactics. Knowbody even knows if Perry's fish even existed. But everybody in the fishing world knows Mac caught his fish. Rattletrep can slam him any way he wants by using words like "snag masters" or "so called trophy hunters" but the facts are Mac caught the biggest bass in recorded history and there is no real proof of Perry's fish
You know Perry's fish, if it existed is only the third largest bass. Duclos's bass was apoxamatly 24lbs and he had picture to back it up. unfortunatley he never weighed on a certified scale, or even a fishing scale.

Those are my thoughts EXACTLY!!!!! There are just too many things against Perry's "catch".

Captain Cali reply :

bobo...I did not necessarily mean the record itself doesn't hold water. I meant that just because a record, any record, has been around for 74 years doesn't mean the record was true to begin with. Your argument, the way I read it, was that the record must be true because it has stood for 74 years. The argument, not the record, doesn't hold much water. Although the more I read, the more I believe the record is full of holes which means if it were a bucket it wouldn't hold much water. ;)

bobo reply :

I dunno where to begin with matt, heh

So i'll start with a story. But measurements don't mean much, I mean they do, but you can't determine the actual weight of the fish, here's a story why I know that to be true.

The first big bass I ever caught, as in over 5lbs. Was almost 31 inches long... 31inches!!!!! Take a wild guess how much she weighed.... this is gonna blow your mind. 9 and 3/4 pounds! unreal huh? Now this 20 years ago, and even though we did practice catch and release. This girl was going on the wall, and heck I was young, I had didn't know why we did catch and release, except the pond we fished all the bass and bream had a terrible muddy taste to them. Only thing we ever kept was crappie. So i call the the taxidemist, I wanted the best around. And It was like 5 or 6 bucks an inch for a bass mount. When I told him the length, he was like, you sure? I had already told him the weight, and he asked several times was I sure about the length. He then he started asking me about the fish, I told him it was like her belly was hollow. It was more like stretched skin than normal looking and the rest of her looked skinny, she just had no fat on her like other fish i had caught, in fact she looked like she had been starving. And he said, well if this was fish healthy and if you had caught her maybe at differnt time of the year, he said she would have easily went 13lbs or heck even more, he said he didn't know, but the fish should weight alot more than 9 and 3/4 pounds. So he tells me to put it in the freezer and he'll get to it as soon as he can. which this guy is in bigtime demand. And he said it was going to be 5 to 6 months. Well, it was no big deal. I was happy. Now, after about a month, my cousin's kid, who was pretty young, maybe 9. He goes and unplugs the freezer, which is out in the shop. And plugs up some electric tool and starts messing around with it. Well, the not thinking, he left and didn't plug the dang freezer back up... Well, I don't know how many days went buy, but it started stinking.... I mean STINKING. And you talk about a mess.... Needless to say, my fish was gone. Sure I was mad about it, but being young myself I didn't much thought into it. Now years later, People talk about length and all that. I start realizing what I had. While it was nothing special in terms of it's size, it's length was incredible. And I didn't even cross my mind at the time to take a picture since it was going on the wall.

Now think about it, I got no proof at all I ever caught a bass that was almost 31inches long and only weighed 9 and 3/4lb. Except for my dad who was with me and measured it and weighed it.... sickening huh? Oh and for those wondering what I hung her on, this is wild too, a little bitty black beetle spin.... I was crappie fishing around the drain pipe That was a looong bass.

I've go so many stories about me and my dad fishing I could fill up the forums with em. Heck I don't even believe some of them, but I was there, i know they happened...heh

But anyway, about the polygraph and other stuff, I really don't know about all that. Ask mac to take a poly about intentioanlly snagging the fish or if he tried to cancel it was fould hooked at anytime.... I'm sure he'd refuse a poly too. Why? It's insulting. I'm sure it was just as insulting 74 years ago.

As far as the picture, it probably does what so many pictures do, doesn't do the bass justice. Even the 25lb bass, doesn't do it justice. I can't stand the picture of the recent 25lb one. I'm so glad they got it on video, where you can tell something. The picture they got is horrible. You can tell it's big, but you can't tell it's 25lb by any stretch of the imagination. But it does capture the fatness of the girl. I'm so glad they got video, i'd be seriously disappointed if all we had to go by is the picture. I don't care how many times you look at the picture, there's just no justice in how big the fish really is.

And lastly, that pic with that fish, claimed to be 13lbs. Te me the way he's holding it and all that, you can estimate it's size pretty good, i'd think, it would be better if it were close and hanging by his side, holding sideways kinda obscures it's fattyness . If you want me to go into detail about how, I will. But the main thng is how the background isn't way behind the fish. And example of a bad pic is the current 25lb fish, where he's holding it out towards the camera, those pictures are by far the worst to estimate. Because it can do 2 things....One, make a small fish look way bigger than it is, and as in the 25lb fish, make a huge fish appear smaller...You might think that impossible, but it's a common illusion. If Perry's record fish has a picture, unless it as good as the one posted here of the 13 lber, preferably hanging, instead of holding it up sideways. It wouldn't detemine the exact weight of the fish, but you could make a pretty good guess.

Chris reply :

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It seems alot of the guys that are defending the 25lbr are insulting the crap out of Perry. That fish in that picture def looks nice.
I guess you guys are use to those deformed cali fish.... heh sounds like you guys are on some kinda Cali agenda or something.

Starting to see a distubing trend in the forums

psssst. deformed Florida fish.

bobo reply :

nonono, those are cali bass !! They done strained the florida out of them with those trout lol

Just curious, anyone here ever fish Dixon, and if so, do you know if they installed the huge fish aerators? Just wondering, lake I go to, at times of the year, those aerators are a sight to behold, the amount of shad and 2-3 lb bass flopping all raround in the bubbles is truely a crazy sight to watch.

Chris reply :

The thing about it is this, even back when Perry caught his record they did not give the title of record holder to just anybody. The guy can not just say hey guess what I just caught a record give me the title. There needs to be proof and if I remember correctly it was weighed on a certified scale either postal or a supermarket meat scale (don't remember which) and measured with witnesses other than relatives or friends. If the guy just had a picture or if he was trying to become a record holder just from a picture or his good word he would not be in the books. You can doubt the current record all you like but more than one person said there was enough evidence to award him the record.

guest reply :

Its been a while since I have put my two cents in. Here it goes.........It doesn't matter if people question wether or not Perry's fish even existed. He nor anybody else that is connected to the WR has anything to prove. Perry, for right now, holds the WR. It sounds like some people just can't stand that and I just don't know why??? I, myself, believe that Perry caught the WR and on the same note, it will be broken really soon in the state of California. Cali has proven that the record will be broken and quite frankly I can't wait until it happens. Roger 310---get a move on it. Times a running out. If Cali bass were dieing at around 20 to 22 lbs, like it was stated in another post, I believe that the 25 lber doesn't have much time left. Good luck to you and your state in the hunt for that monster.

Rattletrap reply :

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Its been a while since I have put my two cents in. Here it goes.........It doesn't matter if people question wether or not Perry's fish even existed. He nor anybody else that is connected to the WR has anything to prove. Perry, for right now, holds the WR. It sounds like some people just can't stand that and I just don't know why??? I, myself, believe that Perry caught the WR and on the same note, it will be broken really soon in the state of California. Cali has proven that the record will be broken and quite frankly I can't wait until it happens. Roger 310---get a move on it. Times a running out. If Cali bass were dieing at around 20 to 22 lbs, like it was stated in another post, I believe that the 25 lber doesn't have much time left. Good luck to you and your state in the hunt for that monster.

I am in agreement here......

Rattletrap reply :

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Rattletrap your the one that seems to be hung up on the Cali GA thing. It seems to me the only reason your so adimate on defending The WR is because you are from there. Personaly I dont care were it comes from. I only hope that who ever cacthes it worked for it. I would be happy if it came from Mexico or Japan as long as it beats what I believe to be the biggest fraud in fishing history.
OK what makes you so sure Perry even caught a 22.4

That's where we actually disagree. Isn't that a first? I don't want the record to come outside the USA. That's just the Red,White and Blue in me.

Rattletrap reply :

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Rattletrap your the one that seems to be hung up on the Cali GA thing. It seems to me the only reason your so adimate on defending The WR is because you are from there. Personaly I dont care were it comes from. I only hope that who ever cacthes it worked for it. I would be happy if it came from Mexico or Japan as long as it beats what I believe to be the biggest fraud in fishing history.
OK what makes you so sure Perry even caught a 22.4

All you Cali guys are getting so frustrated that your state has come so close, and you still can't de-thrown Georgia. Remember I just respond, ya'll have always started the Perry issue. That means ya'll have the personal issues you need help with. Too many of Cali or close to Cali posters have been dogging out Perry since I arrived on this forum. I dogged back and all ya'll turn into whiners. It's all right to dog Perry's bass, but don't say anything about Cali's bass. Is it a 25 lber? It looks like it. Most of ya'll believe Perry is a liar, and there is no photo of his bass. I believe Mac purposely snagged the bass, and there is no photo of him snagging the bass. It's my opinion of that. Just be prepared, and figure out how to take it when I defend Perry when you attempt to discredit him. Ya'll keep starting it, and I'll keep trying to end it. Latter!!!!

Rattletrap reply :

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Rattletrap...I also did not make a comment like "When is the next Georgia Liars fair?" now did I?
The way I see it, "Cali Snagmaster Championships" is a direct attack on all California anglers. And I took it personally. I don't care what little smiley you put on it.

I had to let it out. Guys on this forum have been trying to discredit Perry's record since I have joined. I opened both barrels and wounded a few. I'm still healing in a few places from their previous blasts. I went with the Snag Master comment in fun when they kept pushing the Perry agenda. It's just IMO's.

Chris reply :

Now before the fur starts flying and I am stuck deleting and locking it down lets be nice about this and not turn it into a sword fight or something otay :

Rattletrap reply :

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Hey Bobo I have a bunch of reasons. how about this one. Ray Scot the founder of B.A.S.S. sent one of his reporters to do an interview with Perry and administer a lie detector test.......Perry only did the interveiw. HMMMMMMMMMMMMM I wonder why?
Also No other bass from GA has even come close to 22.4lbs.

The measurements dont add up. That fish was 4 inches longer than Jeds fish when he caught it and I think 2 1l2 inches fatter than Jeds fish. When Jed first weighed it it was 22.9lbs but later the oficail weight was 21lbs 11oz Perry measurements were MUCH larger and it only weighed 1/2 lb more. Perry's numbers dont add up.

Perry's fishing partner was never located and to this day has not been located for comment.

Perry changed his story on the bait he used.

Perry wrote a letter to the creek chub bait co and told them he had a picture of the fish and would give it to them for some lures. That Picture has never bee made public......How come?

Perry did win the contest with that fish pictured in which he claims it to be over 13lbs . Now I will agree with you that the fish looks bigger than 6 or even 8 but I doubt even you honestly believe its over 13lbs

I personaly think its around 9lbs.

These are the biggest reasons for me.

There are actualy more good reasons but I think theese should suffice

And how long have you been bass fishing? I have caught plenty of shorter bass that out weigh the longer bass. Perry caught his bass after the spawn was over. Take that 2-4lb egg roe out of Mac's fish and see what you get. Measurements don't add up correctly. Certified scales is the only way. Which Perry used. These reason's don't suffice. Try again.

earthworm77 reply :

For all the guys who believe Perry's fish was true as claimed, you have been offered many snippetts of information on why it looks like a bogus record. Can you name a few facts on why it should stand? Obviously the IGFA was not as stringent 75 years ago because it seems that this fish was hurried along into a vacant slot with little proof at all. Like I said in a post weeks ago, according to my research a photo doesn't exist. I even went so far as to contact the IGFA and they do not have one.

I just would like to know what motivates someone to adamantly defend this record with absolutely no proof that it even was caught.

As for the photo I posted, Matt, I couldn't find the tacklebox photo in which Perry posed with a 13.4 that one the 1933 Flield and Stream contest....that fish, certainly wasn't even close to even 8 or 9lbs. The photo I posted has the 13.4 weight listed in the caption so I think it is of the same fish but it does look a little bigger, possibly 8lbs or so but still not close to a teener.

I simply can't believe in a record simply because it is on the books. As important as this seems to be for the sport we love, it should be met with some scrutiny since there are no supporting facts to back it up. Simply accepting it because its been around for 75 years isn't reason enough for me....especially under the curcumstances.

earthworm77 reply :

Certified scales is the only way. Which Perry used

Perry claimed he weighed his fish at a gereal store, there are no eyewitness accounts to back this up. His fish simply sounds like a fish story. Nobody seems to have seen it. Trap, what is your reason for believing this other than you are from Georgia? Also, questioning Mattlures experience is a little out of your league. I know about him based on his big bass fishing. He might be the last guy you should have said that to.

Rattletrap reply :

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For all the guys who believe Perry's fish was true as claimed, you have been offered many snippetts of information on why it looks like a bogus record. Can you name a few facts on why it should stand? Obviously the IGFA was not as stringent 75 years ago because it seems that this fish was hurried along into a vacant slot with little proof at all. Like I said in a post weeks ago, according to my research a photo doesn't exist. I even went so far as to contact the IGFA and they do not have one.
I just would like to know what motivates someone to adamantly defend this record with absolutely no proof that it even was caught.

As for the photo I posted, Matt, I couldn't find the tacklebox photo in which Perry posed with a 13.4 that one the 1933 Flield and Stream contest....that fish, certainly wasn't even close to even 8 or 9lbs. The photo I posted has the 13.4 weight listed in the caption so I think it is of the same fish but it does look a little bigger, possibly 8lbs or so but still not close to a teener.

I simply can't believe in a record simply because it is on the books. As important as this seems to be for the sport we love, it should be met with some scrutiny since there are no supporting facts to back it up. Simply accepting it because its been around for 75 years isn't reason enough for me....especially under the curcumstances.

It's all because he met all the standards required of his era. Were still waiting for someone to meet all the standards of this era. Right? Cerified scales and witnesses prove Perry's catch. I'll take take certified scales and witnesses for the new WR. I don't need a photo. I just go by the standards met at the time.

Rattletrap reply :

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Certified scales is the only way. Which Perry used
Perry claimed he weighed his fish at a gereal store, there are no eyewitness accounts to back this up. His fish simply sounds like a fish story. Nobody seems to have seen it. Trap, what is your reason for believing this other than you are from Georgia? Also, questioning Mattlures experience is a little out of your league. I know about him based on his big bass fishing. He might be the last guy you should have said that to.

As far as Mattlure goes. I stated known facts about bass size. If he is who you say he is, he should understand it then. Beat the WR and and end the confusions ya'll have.

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Also, questioning Mattlures experience is a little out of your league.

You don't even know me, but you can make that opinion if you like.

Rattletrap reply :

Prove ya'll just broke the WR record....... ;D Ya'll will eventually, if ya'll meet all the IGFA requirements. Anyway, this whole Perry issue began because I believe Mac snagged the bass. Beat the WR record if ya'll can. I'm done :-X

Glenn reply :

Good, because I'm really close to locking this down. This thread is turning sour, and that's not what these forums are about. Either everyone plays nice, or I lock/delete threads.... and if it gets really bad, I start booting people.

We haven't reached that point quite yet, but this thread is right on the threshold.

So, if you have something brand new to add to this thread, let's hear it. Otherwise, all opinions and statements have already been made and heard.

Chris reply :

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Perry and Page took the bass to a grocery store in nearby Helena, where it was weighed. But Perry has no inkling that this bass was the largest ever certified. The International Game Fish Association (IGFA), offical keeper of fresh and saltwater world record gamefish, wouldn't exist for another seven years. "but somebody in the store mentioned the Field & stream fishing contest, which was a popular fishing competition at the time. The magazine awarded merchandise annually for the winning fish in several categories, including bass." Perry desided to enter his bass in the contest. He took it to the Helena post office, where it was weighed on certified scales. The fish weighed 22 pounds, 4 ounces, measured 32 inches in length and had a 28 inch girth. Perry won the contest and recieved $75 in merchandise.

bobo reply :

Ah that had to be an awesome feeling. 22 lbs..... Imagine how technology was back then, Wonder how long it took for the news of the catch to get to bass fishermen across America....

I might look into the standing state records across the country to see how much bigger it was, than current state records. Wonder if thiere any sites that have data that old.... Bet you'd have to do some serious legwork to find out all that kinda stuff back then.

heh I think I need to start spell check before posting

Oh and lemme add before I get banned or this gets locked, heh, The igfa didn't officially take over record keeping from field and stream until 1978.. I didn't know that.

Rattletrap reply :

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Perry and Page took the bass to a grocery store in nearby Helena, where it was weighed. But Perry has no inkling that this bass was the largest ever certified. The International Game Fish Association (IGFA), offical keeper of fresh and saltwater world record gamefish, wouldn't exist for another seven years. "but somebody in the store mentioned the Field & stream fishing contest, which was a popular fishing competition at the time. The magazine awared merchandise annually for the winning fish in several categories, including bass." Perry desided to enter his bass in the contest. He took it to the Helena post office, where it was weighed on certified scales. The fish weighed 22 pounds, 4 ounces, measured 32 inches in length and had a 28 inch girth. Perry won the contest and recieved $75 in merchandise.

That's what we have to go by as a WR. That's what we have to use. It seems legit to me. The IGFA was formed so we would not have this issue that's coming to a head.

Rattletrap reply :

I don't believe I have personally attacked any posters on here. I have made my opinions on guys that recently caught the big bass. If I have offended anybody with my over zealousness I apologize. I'm just proud of Georgia and all it's records.

Chris reply :

That quote is from a BASS publication and at the time it was originally printed Ray Scott still owned BASS.

Rattletrap reply :

Thanks Chris for the info.

cart7t reply :

Thanks for posting that Chris, I was going to dig to see if I still had that issue but couldn't find it. So, Perry's partner and obviously a postal worker were present to witness the weight on a postal scale (which for the time was very accurate). Seems to me the case is closed. Unless someone can produce a witness that disputes the catch, saw him snag the fish, saw him illegally net or otherwise take the fish from the water with a method other than pole and line I'd suggest this WR question on the Perry fish is closed.

I'm sorry these guys didn't catch the record. Technically, had they followed Cali state law, they would've released the fish immediately rather than drag it back to the dock to weigh it later. Then we'd have never known what that fish weighed.

Rattletrap reply :

If you live in Cali you have to be ready at all times. Your chances of hanging a monster are pretty good. 15-18lbs can be had. 10lb plus is a monster for me.

VaBass80 reply :

My only question is if he was really after the money and fame of the WR bass why would he openly admit it was snagged. The three friends could state that the fish was legally hooked and there would be no constroversy. Its not the easiest thing to snag with a single pointed hook from a jig, i'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

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My only question is if he was really after the money and fame of the WR bass why would he openly admit it was snagged. The three friends could state that the fish was legally hooked and there would be no constroversy. Its not the easiest thing to snag with a single pointed hook from a jig, i'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

He had to admit it. There were too many witnesses that say they saw where the hook was located and knew it was foul hooked. He did the right thing by releasing it. A fish that big filled with roe is pretty fragile. You have to make sure you weigh, measure and release pretty quick or you will kill her.

rboat reply :

Personally, I have grown up with this as the world record bass. My father started me fishing when I was very young and I remember hearing about this record. I think you have to remember the times. 1932 was a very simple time when people had to work together and everyone knew each other. No one locked their doors and crime was hardly known. Mr. Perry was trying to catch some dinner for his family. He caught a very large fish and was as proud as any of us would have been. So he showed it off to several people and even had it weighed. He was not after any record and was not trying to cheat anybody. In fact, he probably was talked into submitting his catch. To me, it stands as legit. There are many things in life you just have to believe and and trust in without pictures or proof. Maybe it was a striper or some kind of hybrid, but to me, as a guy who loves this sport, it is the world record until a bigger one is certified by current standards.

Say what you want this just my personal feelings. Thanks.

VaBass80 reply :

Can you show me a link where it says that? All the articles i've read it makes it sound like it was an self omission.

Rattletrap reply :

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Mr. Perry was trying to catch some dinner for his family. He caught a very large fish and was as proud as any of us would have been. So he showed it off to several people and even had it weighed. He was not after any record and was not trying to cheat anybody. In fact, he probably was talked into submitting his catch.

1932. Why would he lie about his dinner. He was just a simple man out fishing for dinner. WR's weren't on his mind. Fish and gritz were on his mind.

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Can you show me a link where it says that? All the articles i've read it makes it sound like it was an self omission.

The first article I read stated that the guys were apparently real close to a dock and there were several on-lookers watching Mac as he fished for it.Those people clearly saw the foul hooked white jig when the fish came up.

Rattletrap reply :

Basscenter showed a video interview of some people that said they saw it foul hooked plain as day. One of the witnesses even yelled at them, "it's foul hooked, it's foul hooked".

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Can you show me a link where it says that? All the articles i've read it makes it sound like it was an self omission.

Has A New World Record Bass Been Caught?

A possible new world record largemouth bass was caught in California Monday, March 20.

Mac Weakley of Carlsbad caught the fish off the bed at Dixon Lake. He and two friends have been fishing for this bass every bedding season for the past couple of years. He was interview by another site about the catch.

The bass has a distinctive mark on her and is probably the same bass caught two times in the past, when she weighed 20 to 21 pounds. The bass weighed 25 pounds, 1 ounce on hand held uncertified scales Monday.

As always, there is controversy surrounding this catch. The fishermen had bought a camping permit to get ahead of other fishermen in line so they could be on the water first. They set up on the fish after watching someone else fish for it on Sunday. Rumor has it they tried to pay that fisherman to leave it alone and let them fish for it.

Observers on the bank said they watched Weakley set the hook five times before hooking the bass, and it was foul hooked in the side, not in the mouth. The fish was photographed and released before Game and Fish officials could arrive.

An observer said the three men in the boat landed the bass near the dock after fighting it for a while, then went to the middle of 70 acre lake to discuss what to do. They then came back to the dock and released the bass. They did not measure it before releasing it, and did not try to get certified scales to weigh it.

For these and other reasons the San Diego Times says the fish will not be submitted for a record. This article also has a picture of the fish.

George Perry caught the current world record bass 74 years ago in Georgia. That fish was not photographed but a replica was made and pictures of it are on a sign in the small town in Georgia where it was caught.

The new world record has been an object of fantasy for bass fishemen for years, with some saying the fisherman catching it could earn over a million dollars from the catch.

Field and Stream, another site and FLW both have more information on this catch.

Largemouth bass are not native to California. They have been stocked there for years and seem to grow bigger and faster there than in their native range. It helps if lakes like Dixon have trout in them, bass love to feed on trout.

Some have said non native fish should not be considered for records, but that is not in the International Game Fish Association rules.

VaBass80 reply :

Thank you for the link, all the articles i've read didn't describe the observers account, it does give better insight to the days catch.

guest reply :

I seem to recall when I bought my boga grip scale, that I could have had it certified by IGFA. IF I remember correctly I would have to have sent it to them, with a fee and they would tell you how many ounces to add or subtract and that that would be a certified weight. Why would guys who are catching huge bass and have an excellent chance of breaking the wr not have their own scales certified? These are some of the things, like a rope stringer that just don't make sense for guys in this league.

Rattletrap reply :

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I seem to recall when I bought my boga grip scale, that I could have had it certified by IGFA. IF I remember correctly I would have to have sent it to them, with a fee and they would tell you how many ounces to add or subtract and that that would be a certified weight. Why would guys who are catching huge bass and have an excellent chance of breaking the wr not have their own scales certified? These are some of the things, like a rope stringer that just don't make sense for guys in this league.

I here guys saying they have a IGFA certified Boga Grip. I thought they came pre-certified.

Glenn reply :

Perhaps of interest:

http://bassresource.com/fishing/certify.html

http://bassresource.com/fishing/be_prepared.html

http://bassresource.com/fishing/Record_fish.html

Guess they should've come here first.

Rattletrap reply :

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Thank you for the link, all the articles i've read didn't describe the observers account, it does give better insight to the days catch.

Would they have admitted it if no one was around? We will never know that one. Witnesses will usually keep you honest. The boat trip to the middle of the lake to discuss the issue is kind of fishy. They could have been discussing if they can get away with. Like I said before, prestige and money make some people do the wrong thing. I'm glad they decided to do the right thing.

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Perhaps of interest:
http://bassresource.com/fishing/certify.html

http://bassresource.com/fishing/be_prepared.html

http://bassresource.com/fishing/Record_fish.html

Guess they should've come here first.

Yep. The bottom line, it's always up to the fishermen. We do have to be prepared for anything. WR, boat safety, bad weather...etc....

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Perhaps of interest:
http://bassresource.com/fishing/certify.html

http://bassresource.com/fishing/be_prepared.html

http://bassresource.com/fishing/Record_fish.html

Guess they should've come here first.

That was one of there mistakes! ;D

guest reply :

Well as usual, BassResource.com comes through with flying colors. Glenns first selection answers the question about certification. No, the boga's do not come pre certified but I can tell you that I have tested mine on various known weights (5lb bag of sugar etc.) and it is unacannily accurate. So you see, it just doesn't make sense for guys like the Cali WR hunters, who have caught huge bass already NOT to have a certified scale. I don't get it. Maybe Mattlures, as our resident big bass guru can shed some light on this.

Oh, one final thing. An accurate scale is guaranteed to shrink your fish. I don't know how it does it, but all my five pounders weigh only 3.5 on the boga. ;D

earthworm77 reply :

Avid, lol.

Chris reply :

1974 Bassmaster Fishing Annual page 12

(In his own words)

Question: What did you do after you landed the big bass?

Perry: We quit fishing. That was the only fish we had caught all day. We just pulled the boat up on the bank, put the bass under a burlap sack in the back of the pick-up and drove to Helena, Ga

Question: is that where you weighed it?

Perry: Yes. When we got to the store some guys showed up and said, "Let's weigh and measure that thing and get it in the contest." So we did. It weighed 22lbs. 4oz. and had been out of the water for about two hours. It was 32 1/2 inches long and had a girth of 28 1/2 inches.

Question: What contest were they refering to?

Perry: That was the Field and Stream" fishing contest that involved several districts, like Southern region, etc., for fish like black bass. Someone got an entry blank from a magazine right there in the store. I filled it out, and it was witnessed and signed by a notary public, a Mr. McArthur. I never thought much more about it. Later on I was notified that I had won in the black bass category and received a tremendous prize of $75 in merchandise to be selected from "Field and Stream".

Question: Were you notified at that time that the bass was a world record?

Perry: No-no. I didn't even realize anything like that. I was just glad to win what I did; $75 was a lot of money in those days. Seems like it was later on, considerably later, that they (Field and Stream) advised me that it was a world record.

Question: What did you get with the gift certificate?

Perry: a Browning automatic shotgun that listed for $44.85, some shells, fishing equipment and some outdoor clothes. Like I said, that was a lot of money. We were smack in the middle of a depression. We could buy a pound of bacon for 4 1/2 cents, coffee for 12 cents a pound, loaf break for 5 cents. The value of money has changed so much you hardly think in terms of dollars and cents about things back then.

Question: What else have you received as a result of the record fish?

Perry: Well, a lot of phone calls and correspondence from all over, even Alaska. I made several recordings and tapes for newspapers, radio, and TV. Some advertising outfit in Miami sent me a Pfleuger Supreme reel for a little statement I made for them. I caught the bass on a Pfluegar reel and a True Temper rod. I can't say I have received another thing. Financially speaking that $75 was it. Reckon that would be worth about $80 today (1974)

Question: What do you think that bass would be worth to you today, If you caught had caught it a year ago? (1973)

Perry: Possibly $10,000, maybe considerable more.

Question: what did you do with the record bass?

Perry: We ate it! That's what a fish is for, to eat.

Question: What is the next largest bass you have caught?

Perry: I caught one that weighed 15 lbs. 14 oz. about four years after I caught the big one. I caught it right here in Glynn County in a small creek that runs into the Altamaha River.

Question: You've read about the 20 lb. 15oz. transplanted Florida strain bass caught in California last June. What's your opinion about bass transplants, cross-breeding and so called "Super Bass" programs.

Perry: Quite frankly, I feel that is not natural happening. It sounds like they are pen-feeding a lot of bass to me. A record bass, or a record anything, should be taken in it's natural state. With all this replanting and crossbreeding, you can produce almost anything you want to. Only Nature should be allowed to produce anything for a record. In my opinion, these Super Bass will not, does not, and never will compare to the bass I caught in natural surroundings in Montgomery Lake. I certainly think if a record bass is caught it should be caught in the natural waters of its habitation, on a hook and line.

Question: That brings up another interesting controversy. Your world record is an established, accepted fact. But since bass fishing has grown to such tremendous proportions and since so much can be gained in prestige, and money the certifying of state and a possible world record is even more important. Almost every state has its own rules and requirements. A few have no record establishing procedures at all. The Bass Anglers Sportsman Society (BASS) see the immediate need to establish a nation wide single system for recognizing, certifying and appropriately rewarding catches of new record. Other than checking the mechanical minimums-length, girth, weight, method caught etc.,- does the possibility of administering a polygraph or lie-detector test to a person claiming the record, under strictly controlled conditions, seem to be in order?

Perry: You have a point, such a method for establishing a new record would remove any doubt. I would certainly suggest that some central agency, co-operating with the state game and fish departments se up a national and state resords system for establishing new records, particularly in the event of a world record to assure catching the fish in an accepted sporting manner. Sportsmen never used to have to worry about such things. Trophies were for your own personal pleasure. Everything has changed so. I had a little ol' 14-ft boat that probably cost me 30 cents worth of material and built my first one myself. We've come from the 59 cent rod and 19 cent line I had years ago to $5000 worth of equipment now to go fishing. I guess bass fishing has come a ling way, though sometimes I wonder.

By Terry Drace Bassmaster staff writter 1974

Rattletrap reply :

Good read.

Chris reply :

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