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B.a.s.s. Bans The Alabama Rig 2024


fishing user avatarGlenn reply : 

Interesting...

http://www.bassresource.com/bass_fishing_123/alabama-rig-banned.html


fishing user avatar5bass reply : 

It's almost unbelievable that the Alabama Rig has caused such a ruckus in the bass fishing world.


fishing user avatarIma Bass Ninja reply : 

WOW....interesting indeed...i think the last paragraph sums it up though :yes:


fishing user avatarSAC2 reply : 

kind of unfortunate that all of those other rigs (ie: double fluke, drop shot with shakey head) got the axe also. i guess they do fit into the same field as the a-rig though. i still think the ban is silly


fishing user avatarSam reply : 

Glen, I apologize as I posted the same topic in the Fishing Tackle section before I noted your post.

Your post is better than my post.

Great article on their reasoning to eliminate the presentation.

Thanks a million for sharing it with us.


fishing user avatarAluma-Bass reply : 

figured just matter of time...


fishing user avatar.ghoti. reply : 

The potential exists to have a single fish hooked on an a-rig become tangled up and foul hooked with the other hooks on the rig. This could really be a problem. Had BASS stated this as a reason for banning the rig, I could easily agree.

Their stated reason is nothing more than a steaming pile of what drops out of the south end of a north-bound bull.


fishing user avatarFishing Rhino reply : 

I'll repeat what I've said before. Umbrella rigs, or any variations thereof, are not sportfishing rigs. They are for meatfishing, period.

Having said that, were I a tournament fisherman, trying to make a living at it, and the rig was legal, I'd use it, like I do all the other gizmos that increase my advantage over my quarry.

Having caught as many as seven stripers on a single umbrella rig that averaged around 12 pounds each, I can tell you from experience that bringing them to the boat was far from the thrill of landing a single nice fish on a single hook/lure. They were in effect fighting each other more than pulling away from me.

The best way I can describe it would be like retrieving a humongous jitterbait with a winch. The pole throbbed and vibrated, but the multitude of bass were easily brought to the boat.

I believe an article was posted here about the fisherman who caught his five fish limit of smallmouth on a single cast, and he said much the same thing about reeling them in.

Were I commercially fishing for stripers, I'd use the umbrella rig. Fishing for fun, it would not get wet.


fishing user avatarBlue Streak reply : 

I am not really surprised by this as a matter of fact I was surprised it was legal.


fishing user avatarlmoore reply : 

Aaron Maertens called it. I saw a video where he said he bought a couple, but didn't plan on using them because they would be banned by next season. Several posters here did too, I just never saw you guys in a youtube video :)


fishing user avatarNCbassmaster4Life reply : 

IMO, i'm glad.


fishing user avatarjignfule reply : 

Along the same line, I love to duck hunt. Many years ago they started marketing the spinning wing decoy (mojo type) It was amazing. Ducks came out of no where, now every tom, dick or harry could get ducks without a lot of skill i.e. duckcalling, decoy placement, etc. Some states outlawed them, but if your state allowed them you were pretty much forced to use them. As when they first came out a novice with a spinner could usually get more birds then an accomplished seasoned hunter who did not use a spinner. Pretty much reck the sport for me, for a number of reasons. So I can certainly see the wisdom in banning certain types of rigs from high end B.A.S.S. events.


fishing user avatarRaider Nation Fisher reply : 

First no jigger pole now this. Sheesh.

I miss my jigger pole more than the Alabama rig though.


fishing user avatarjames 14 reply : 

I wish they would've given it one season to see what happened before they pulled the plug.


fishing user avatarcyclops2 reply : 

Well It is simply a way to kill as many fish as fast as possible. If you are after MEAT. Every body should agree it catches more fish in a 8 hour period. No real abilities needed. Not a lot different than netting to pick out the biggest ones . Increasing your odds by at least 4 to 1 sounds very professional. The GOAL of a contest is to win by anything ....NOT BANNED.....in the rule book.

I agree for PROFESSIONAL TOURNAMENT fishermen. You are supposed to be FAR FAR better at catching ANY FISH with a ROD, REEL, LINE & a HOOK / LURE.

Barbless would not be to bad either. Considering the speeds a fish is brought in on + 40# line.

Could all the boats go to catch.. weigh... measure... & release. The sponsors will not pull out. That will stop the stripping of all breeders from their prime food spots....under all structures...& dumping them anywhere it is Quickest for the angler to get out of the water.

I watch a pro bass tournament guy fish the same docks I did. He caught 5 X the fish I did. I waved him in to let him make a living that day.

I sure wish he could have left those fish there.

The day after a big tournament. There are NO bigger fish in my area to catch.for several days to weeks.


fishing user avatarRaider Nation Fisher reply : 
  On 1/18/2012 at 10:59 AM, cyclops2 said:

Well It is simply a way to kill as many fish as fast as possible. If you are after MEAT. Every body should agree it catches more fish in a 8 hour period. No real abilities needed. Not a lot different than netting to pick out the biggest ones . Increasing your odds by at least 4 to 1 sounds very professional. The GOAL of a contest is to win by anything ....NOT BANNED.....in the rule book.

I agree for PROFESSIONAL TOURNAMENT fishermen. You are supposed to be FAR FAR better at catching ANY FISH with a ROD, REEL, LINE & a HOOK / LURE.

Barbless would not be to bad either. Considering the speeds a fish is brought in on + 40# line.

Could all the boats go to catch.. weigh... measure... & release. The sponsors will not pull out. That will stop the stripping of all breeders from their prime food spots....under all structures...& dumping them anywhere it is Quickest for the angler to get out of the water.

I watch a pro bass tournament guy fish the same docks I did. He caught 5 X the fish I did. I waved him in to let him make a living that day.

I sure wish he could have left those fish there.

The day after a big tournament. There are NO bigger fish in my area to catch.for several days to weeks.

I agree it does lower the catch precentage after a big tournament, on some bodies of water. I recommend going to a different area, I know I know its a hassle and we all love to fish our spots. Still its better to fish another area than to catch them lil uns all day. Honestly though I tend to not run into that problem much, It's part of my secret to winning those tournaments. I fish where the others won't. ;)

And yes I also try to put my fish back where they came from.


fishing user avatarcyclops2 reply : 

I have seen that all black thing yo call a bass boat. Is has 2 warp drive engines. No wonder you take the time. :tongue8:


fishing user avatarRaider Nation Fisher reply : 
  On 1/18/2012 at 11:51 AM, cyclops2 said:

I have seen that all black thing yo call a bass boat. Is has 2 warp drive engines. No wonder you take the time. :tongue8:

Heh, I wish. I'm having to use my partners boat. Hopefully I will be getting my first boat in a couple of weeks. I'll go into more detail about that later on though. It's an older used center console with a 40hp mercury on it. Again more details will come later.

The old man that's my fishing partner has made it abundantly clear to me to put them back where we got them. His boat his rules. He's taught me more about bassing and what not than anyone else. Honestly though it really does make since to put em back where ya gotten. The way it was put to me was, "howd u like it if I ripped you outta your home and booted you out of the car ten or twenty miles from home?" Whether or not the fish feel that way I dunno but like I said an extra 10 to 40 minutes ain't all that bad. It's kinda peaceful in a way.


fishing user avatarNorcalBassin reply : 

Figured it was only a matter of time...


fishing user avatarABLE2DISABLE1 reply : 

At least it isn't banded for the season,just the Classic.


fishing user avatarslonezp reply : 

Side imaging/down imaging is unfair for the fish. Scents are unfair to the fish. Rattles are unfair to the fish. Live bait is unfair to the fish. Boats are unfair to the fish. Awww hell. Let's just ban fishing all together. I mean, it's certainly not fair for a bass to be tricked into eating a pretend fish, is it? I stated in another thread "Maybe we should catch the fish with our bare hands or our teeth as that would be the only REAL way to show off a fishermans skill." No?

No disrespect Raider, but what does it matter if you release a fish immediatly or at the end of the day 5 miles from where it was caught(spawn not included) Fish will seek food and cover. They have an instinct to survive. They're not going to just hang out where they are released and die if no one comes around and feeds them. As many of us know a "good spot" is a good spot. Good spots replenish themselves.

AND all the fish are being released during these tourneys. Everybodys freaking out. Why? The fish are still going back in the water.

It's just another tool. Can't wait for open water!


fishing user avatarflipin4bass reply : 

One man, (or woman) one pole, one reel and one lure...that's the way it should be.


fishing user avatarcatchnm reply : 

I like cyclops2 post.


fishing user avatarRaider Nation Fisher reply : 
  On 1/18/2012 at 12:44 PM, slonezp said:

Side imaging/down imaging is unfair for the fish. Scents are unfair to the fish. Rattles are unfair to the fish. Live bait is unfair to the fish. Boats are unfair to the fish. Awww hell. Let's just ban fishing all together. I mean, it's certainly not fair for a bass to be tricked into eating a pretend fish, is it? I stated in another thread "Maybe we should catch the fish with our bare hands or our teeth as that would be the only REAL way to show off a fishermans skill." No?

No disrespect Raider, but what does it matter if you release a fish immediatly or at the end of the day 5 miles from where it was caught(spawn not included) Fish will seek food and cover. They have an instinct to survive. They're not going to just hang out where they are released and die if no one comes around and feeds them. As many of us know a "good spot" is a good spot. Good spots replenish themselves.

AND all the fish are being released during these tourneys. Everybodys freaking out. Why? The fish are still going back in the water.

It's just another tool. Can't wait for open water!

I dunno if it matters or not. Just sharing what I was taught.

The other reason I release them like that, is because it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Kind of like a rabbit fart. ;)


fishing user avatarJIGFISHERMAN. reply : 

One of the most absurd things I see guys say is that this was to keep the status quo of KVD on top.

Well, hate to break it to those guys but he would still school everyone on the A-rig.

The guys that would struggle with it are the shallow guys. Hackney, Bruaer, and a few others. But Vandam already fishes schooling bass offshore.

To me their reasoning for banning it makes PERFECT sense.


fishing user avatarbigbassctchr101 reply : 
  On 1/18/2012 at 12:41 PM, ABLE2DISABLE1 said:

At least it isn't banded for the season,just the Classic.

I am pretty sure it is for the season, along with the classic. But only the elite series season.


fishing user avatarslonezp reply : 
  On 1/18/2012 at 8:35 PM, Raider Nation Fisher said:

I dunno if it matters or not. Just sharing what I was taught.

The other reason I release them like that, is because it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Kind of like a rabbit fart. ;)

Mmmmmmm...rabbit farts


fishing user avatarcyclops2 reply : 

I think we should adopt the way 1 deer hunter takes his deer. 40 years ago.

Climbed up a tree. Out on a sturdy branch over a deer path. Dropped down on the buck and stabbed it to death with a dagger.

No reason why we can not sneak up on a bass with a snorkel mask and spear it.

MACHO MACHO MAN !! :respect-059:


fishing user avatarmarinetech reply : 

I don't fish tourneys and would not use one of those a rigs either , they are for mackeral fishing not bass. just my opinion


fishing user avatarCJ reply : 

I wonder how the rule will be wrote exactly.


fishing user avatarJ Francho reply : 
  On 1/18/2012 at 10:59 AM, cyclops2 said:

Well It is simply a way to kill as many fish as fast as possible. If you are after MEAT. Every body should agree it catches more fish in a 8 hour period. No real abilities needed. Not a lot different than netting to pick out the biggest ones . Increasing your odds by at least 4 to 1 sounds very professional. The GOAL of a contest is to win by anything ....NOT BANNED.....in the rule book.

I agree for PROFESSIONAL TOURNAMENT fishermen. You are supposed to be FAR FAR better at catching ANY FISH with a ROD, REEL, LINE & a HOOK / LURE.

Barbless would not be to bad either. Considering the speeds a fish is brought in on + 40# line.

Could all the boats go to catch.. weigh... measure... & release. The sponsors will not pull out. That will stop the stripping of all breeders from their prime food spots....under all structures...& dumping them anywhere it is Quickest for the angler to get out of the water.

I watch a pro bass tournament guy fish the same docks I did. He caught 5 X the fish I did. I waved him in to let him make a living that day.

I sure wish he could have left those fish there.

The day after a big tournament. There are NO bigger fish in my area to catch.for several days to weeks.

Would you prefer it if tournament anglers nailed all their bass to a board? As it stands, 100% of bass caught in tournaments is given more than a fighting chance to live, and be caught again. Can't say the same for all recreational anglers.


fishing user avatarRaider Nation Fisher reply : 
  On 1/18/2012 at 10:31 PM, J Francho said:

Would you prefer it if tournament anglers nailed all their bass to a board? As it stands, 100% of bass caught in tournaments is given more than a fighting chance to live, and be caught again. Can't say the same for all recreational anglers.

Wrong species. You only do that with catfish. Sheeshhh.

Exceptional point though. Tournament anglers definitely have an added incentive to keep the fish alive.


fishing user avatarRaider Nation Fisher reply : 
  On 1/18/2012 at 9:29 PM, cyclops2 said:

I think we should adopt the way 1 deer hunter takes his deer. 40 years ago.

Climbed up a tree. Out on a sturdy branch over a deer path. Dropped down on the buck and stabbed it to death with a dagger.

No reason why we can not sneak up on a bass with a snorkel mask and spear it.

MACHO MACHO MAN !! :respect-059:

Done that with hogs before. Never thought to try it with a dear. Hmmmm. Why did you have to give me that idea? I believe i am going to have to try this now. Just know if I break something by falling out of a tree over a deer its your fault.


fishing user avatarJ Francho reply : 
  On 1/18/2012 at 11:03 PM, Raider Nation Fisher said:
Wrong species. You only do that with catfish. Sheeshhh. Exceptional point though. Tournament anglers definitely have an added incentive to keep the fish alive.

onedayscatch.jpg


fishing user avatarWayne P. reply : 

The Elite angler tournament committee that made that decision because it may cause injury to the bass should do some more soul searching about their fish handling practices.

Boat flipping them to the carpet, then putting on a show for the camera before putting the fish in the livewell sure doesn't represent any concern for the fish's well being.


fishing user avatarBass Dude reply : 

I'm for the ban. I think the one rod, one lure is the way professionals should fish. I think the fisherman should have to hit the right angle and bump a piece of cover with every cast, not get 5 fish on one cast.

As far as saying it's too easy to catch fish on...that's a ridiculous statement and ridiculous reason for a ban. Is throwing a rattle trap brain surgery?? Tossing a fluke into a school of busting fish isn't rocket science!!


fishing user avatarRaider Nation Fisher reply : 
  On 1/18/2012 at 11:08 PM, J Francho said:

onedayscatch.jpg

Wellllll I stand corrected. My apologies.

Now to remove my foot from my mouth.


fishing user avatarSouth FLA reply : 

I am personally against the banning of the Alabama rig, it is a lure that has an application just as any otherl In specific situations, if you are in a tournament and recognize the ability of the lure to possibly catch more or better quality fish then why not use your situational expertise to catch more fish or better quality fish using the Alabama rig over another lure, if you watched the FLW tournament on T.V. you saw plenty of anglers that stated that the Alabama rig caught the better quality fish out of the school when compared to another lure such as a lipless crankbait or jerk bait, some angler adjusted and some did not. The same arguement applies to a double fluke rig. If the committe wanted to ban multiple catches per lure, than how about applying a rule where the angler gets to pick only one fish to keep if a multiple hook-up occurs, that would a more logical approach? To me it is not simply a matter of holding professional to a "higher standard," but limiting the approach a professional can take.


fishing user avatarFishing Rhino reply : 
  On 1/18/2012 at 11:08 PM, J Francho said:

onedayscatch.jpg

I liked the "(not much of a day either.)" below the one day's catch of bass. Makes me wonder why they bothered taking a photo.


fishing user avatarSouth FLA reply : 
  On 1/18/2012 at 9:38 AM, jignfule said:

Along the same line, I love to duck hunt. Many years ago they started marketing the spinning wing decoy (mojo type) It was amazing. Ducks came out of no where, now every tom, dick or harry could get ducks without a lot of skill i.e. duckcalling, decoy placement, etc. Some states outlawed them, but if your state allowed them you were pretty much forced to use them. As when they first came out a novice with a spinner could usually get more birds then an accomplished seasoned hunter who did not use a spinner. Pretty much reck the sport for me, for a number of reasons. So I can certainly see the wisdom in banning certain types of rigs from high end B.A.S.S. events.

The problem the ducks have LEARNED to avoid them, from personal experience I have had to turn off the mojo to attract ducks at times and they started coming in, at other times without them or movement in your spread you would ZERO, so even though at the beginning of the innovation it was as simple as 1,2,3 the ducks have adapted.


fishing user avatarSouth FLA reply : 

How about using an Alabama rig with spinner blades on all but one of the rigs? Would that be banned?


fishing user avatarroyal0014 reply : 

Sorry, but I for one am glad to see a ban. One bait at a time is fishing for sport. Multiple baits is like netting for food or profit.

First time I heard of the 'Alabama Rig', all I could think was REDNECK FISHING! Hey ya'll, watch this.......

Gives the sport, and my State, a bad name. Wish whoever had named it Georgia or some other.

:computer-22:


fishing user avatarcyclops2 reply : 

I guess there is no limit on the Number of lures & hooks allowed.

Oh well.


fishing user avatarcyclops2 reply : 

I would love a $ 50 bill for every fish that had a second trebel hook past the barb in a eye. When it punctures the optic nerve, the fish swims in circles until a sea gull finishes it off.

I use to do in 25 fish a year that way. All types. I now grind off 2 of the 3 barbs on each trebel. 1 or 2 a year at most.

When sport fishing. I have lures with no barbs on the hooks. Oh yes. The hooks ALSO come out of my hand, ears, neck & clothing easy. Same with a fish.


fishing user avatarFishing Rhino reply : 

I don't have a problem with anyone who chooses to fish it. My experience using umbrella rigs forty plus years ago was enough for me. I can also understand why others may choose to fish with them. If anyone who fishes with me at Guntersville wants to tie one on, I'll be fine with it.


fishing user avatarKevinator1 reply : 

I'm glad of the decision. I believe it is a good call. Playing field is still level.


fishing user avatarTmmytomato reply : 

Cyclops2 - you make some valid points - however, "a way to kill as many fish as fast as possible..." is a rather crazy statement. Is catching them one at a time just a slower way to kill as many fish as possilbe?

My bass club has implemented the catch, weigh in the boat and immediate release for a number of years now and no one seems to care that they can't come show their big fish off at the dock. There are cameras for that.


fishing user avatarPete-K reply : 

They will make everyone go to only a sinle hook on there crank baits next.. You know at one time people were scared plastic baits were giving people an edge that would deplete the fishery.


fishing user avatarFishing Rhino reply : 
  On 1/19/2012 at 5:23 AM, Pete-K said:

They will make everyone go to only a sinle hook on there crank baits next.. You know at one time people were scared plastic baits were giving people an edge that would deplete the fishery.

That's not going to happen, but I would not be surprised to see a nationwide ban on lead weights, possibly on any type of lure or bait that contains lead. More states are banning lead, and more are considering such a ban.


fishing user avatarsenile1 reply : 

B.A.S.S analyzed this and decided it was best for their organization's Elite tournaments to eliminate the use of multiple lure rigs. You may disagree but it's their decision. I kind of lean toward not using the Alabama rig in tournaments but it really doesn't matter much to me either way. They run the organization and they have the right to do what they think is best for it, whether I agree or not. I don't think this decision is going to hurt the organization or bass anglers so it is a moot point for me.

I also noticed in paragraph four of the article that the rules committee is comprised of anglers who have qualified for the 2012 Elite Series so it is a subset of the Elite anglers themselves, who is choosing to do this.


fishing user avatarMcAlpine reply : 

Good, glad bass banned it. This rig just doesn't feel very sportsmanlike to me. If you want to use it in your personal fishing fine, but it does not have a place in tournament fishing in my opinion.


fishing user avatarSouth FLA reply : 

What are your primary objections about using an Alabama/Umbrella rig?

Is it that it foul hooks fish?

In recent outings (not really a reliable set for objective measurement) I fould hooked more bass with a lipless bait than an Alabama rig. In fact, I do not recall having even one foul hooked on my Alabama rig. Albiet, I used single hooked swimbaits. Secondly, I don't think it the intent of the fisherman using the lure or the design of the lure itself is to act as a meat hook as it comes through the water column.

Is it that it is possilble to catch multiple fish at the same time?

I have only caught 2 bass on it at the same time, but I am sure the possiblity exist to catch 4 or 5, but most times its one or if your lucky two. If they, B.A.S.S., implemented the only one fish rule its a moot point.

Is it that gives the angler an unfair advantage?

A voting member of the commitee said this:

“It doesn’t matter how you work it,” said one of the anglers. “The fish can’t help themselves.” (Taken from Bassmaster website article http://www.bassmaste...nd-elite-series)

Really, then explain this:

I was fishing it two or three weeks ago with great success targeting schools using an Alabama rig, but there came a time when the bite switched to lip-less cranks and then to spinner-baits. Did the guy in the back of the boat have an unfair advantage over me throwing an Alabama rig when I was slaying them on a spinner-bait? Did I have an unfair advantage casting a spinner-bait when the lip-less crank pattern was working for my partner? Did Paul Elise have an unfair advantage when going into the G'ville tournament? If you watched the rest of the field they adapted quickly and leveled the field, but the advantage he created the first day was HUGE, so was it unfair, or was his wisdom and knowledge part of it? Therefore, in my opinion banning it is actually limiting a fisherman's tool box. It is up to the fisherman to create an unfair advantage against the rest of the field in a tournament by either targeting fish in a matter that gets them to bite or to hit a lure, if that means adding flash, using multiple lures to create a schooling effect, using dye on the tail, or even targeting a specific location etc. How about the fisherman that only has one hook on one lure and just uses spinners or hook-less lures as part of the rig?

Is it that mortality rate is higher on fish that are caught on it?

I have actually fouled hooked or damaged more fish using treble hooked lures than using the Alabama rig during multiple outings, so if the main concern of B.A.S.S. was to protect the fish then why not ban treble hook lures, or any other technological innovation that has lead to a higher bass mortality rate? Why not implement a rubberized landing net only rule, a no swinging fish rule, a circle hook only rule, the hypocrisy is apparent, is it not?

I am not a tournament fisherman, nor do I really care that it is banned by BASS for its Elite and Classic field, but what I don't understand is the logic of only having the ban apply to the "Elite" or "Classic" tournaments due to, as is quoted in the article, "a higher standard." I just don't get the level of professionalism argument, since in most opens or higher level tournaments the fisherman either fish for a living or have dedicated more time to it than most of us do for our "real" jobs, they are already fishing at a higher standard. Nevertheless, BASS stands behind this statement according to the article published on the website "Our Classic and Elite tournaments simply have a higher standard for the sake of competition." Until you can come up with some objective argument is for a higher standard you are just operating on "feelings," but that is just my opinion.


fishing user avatarpiscicidal reply : 

Personally, I don't think the A-rig provides that much of a competitive advantage that it merits banning. I also don't think that trolling or landing nets provide a big advantage either, but BASS chose to ban those as well.

Bottom line, I don't think the decision is about competitive advantage. I think it is about trying to maintain an image of professionalism. The committee was probably concerned about the rapid proliferation of the rig and where it ultimately might end up. Trying to avoid the image of their best professional anglers launching clothesline-pole-looking monstrosities with 12 baits hanging off of it. Same way they don't want the image of their anglers scooping up bass with 8foot wide landing nets. Is the use of landing nets in any way non-sporting? I dont think so.....

I wonder what BASS would say to throwing a six-bladed spinnerbait?


fishing user avatarslonezp reply : 

Probably scared of the controversey, and took the easy way out.

On a side note, think of the advertising potential:

"More effective than the Banjo Minnow, the Walking Worm, and the Laser Lure combined, the Alabama Rig, So effective, even B.A.S.S. has banned it"


fishing user avatarChiCityBasser reply : 
  On 1/19/2012 at 5:49 AM, senile1 said:

B.A.S.S analyzed this and decided it was best for their organization's Elite tournaments to eliminate the use of multiple lure rigs. You may disagree but it's their decision. I kind of lean toward not using the Alabama rig in tournaments but it really doesn't matter much to me either way. They run the organization and they have the right to do what they think is best for it, whether I agree or not. I don't think this decision is going to hurt the organization or bass anglers so it is a moot point for me.

I also noticed in paragraph four of the article that the rules committee is comprised of anglers who have qualified for the 2012 Elite Series so it is a subset of the Elite anglers themselves, who is choosing to do this.

I agree with the ban and despite all our debate and reasons for or against the ban it is now or will soon be in place but this has been a healthy conversation of opinions. Sure other leagues like FLW will be looking into the use of the rig even though they have not banned its use at this time.


fishing user avatarThe Bassinator reply : 

I think it will make fishing for suspended fish harder like it used to be but there is something to be said about using one's skill and knowledge with a less effective technique and still coming out on top. In my mind it is more impressive to win a tournament with 15 lbs a day when the lake is capable of 20 lb stringers. It may not be as easy or exciting but hey we need to give the fish the benefit of the doubt. If we didn't you would see tournament pros scooping them up in dragging nets like commercial fisherman do on the ocean.


fishing user avatarSirSnookalot reply : 

I'm only interested in the recreational aspect, I don't tournament fish. I prefer fishing as light as I can no matter what the species is. I just don't care to use equipment to catch bass that I'm using for larger fish. What others use is up to them, I don't condemn it, just isn't for me.


fishing user avatarcyclops2 reply : 

60 years ago. I was fishing a public row boat pond. Always noisy till closing. It was not fished much for that reason & only small bass & GIANT Sunfish.

I bought a new plastic bodied lure that was green with reflective flecks in it. It also had 2 molded prop blades in the head area that rotated the body quite fast. It was a 1 cast lure for sundown bass.

Nice to remember how good a unfair advantage feels.

I never shared the lure or the abilities with anyone else.

I still agree that " The best of the best, " Can do the job at hand with a tree branch, string, a safety pin & a worm. if need be.

They ARE the best of the best.

Their minds are LOADED computers on skill. Take away every modern gimmick. They would still beat average people easily.


fishing user avatarDiggy reply : 

This is as monumental as the NBA banning LeBums crab dribble.

Interesting


fishing user avatarIma Bass Ninja reply : 

I would think tv rating played a role in it also..Would you really want to see the top pros all throwing the same lure week after week. Not saying that it would happen, but it could. I do not recall a tournament that was dominated by one lure such as the Alabama rig on Guntersville. If any of you watched that particular episode, after about 10 minutes it became boring with absolutly no exictement. Which would make for more excitement and better tv , KVd's crankbait pattern vs Aaron Martens dropshot pattern vs Bobby lanes frog pattern, or Kvd vs Aaron Marten vs Bobby Lane all using the Alabama rig?


fishing user avatarChiCityBasser reply : 
  On 1/19/2012 at 9:51 PM, Ima Bass Ninja said:

I would think tv rating played a role in it also..Would you really want to see the top pros all throwing the same lure week after week. Not saying that it would happen, but it could. I do not recall a tournament that was dominated by one lure such as the Alabama rig on Guntersville. If any of you watched that particular episode, after about 10 minutes it became boring with absolutly no exictement. Which would make for more excitement and better tv , KVd's crankbait pattern vs Aaron Martens dropshot pattern vs Bobby lanes frog pattern, or Kvd vs Aaron Marten vs Bobby Lane all using the Alabama rig?

Yeah the episode did become boring as all 10 pros fishing the final day were using the A-rig. I would rather see the different techniques of each angler and how they break down the water and come up with a pattern as that teaches me more than 10 pros lobing the A rig.


fishing user avatarProfessional Overrun reply : 

I respect everyones opinion on this topic, but im sorry, tying that thing on the end if my line just seems a little too awkward for me. Theirs no way i could fish that thing with a straight face. I agree with bass and i also thihk tatt they should create a tournament, one event a year, banning electronics. :)


fishing user avatarJ Francho reply : 
  On 1/19/2012 at 10:30 PM, ChiCityBasser said:

Yeah the episode did become boring as all 10 pros fishing the final day were using the A-rig. I would rather see the different techniques of each angler and how they break down the water and come up with a pattern as that teaches me more than 10 pros lobing the A rig.

You mean like in the Classic, where everyone was throwing a trap? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :eyebrows:


fishing user avatarIntroC reply : 

I agree with the decision. Good for B.A.S.S.


fishing user avatarNCbassmaster4Life reply : 

You can debate on the topic all you want, if you have to much controversy the professional way to go about this situation is just to keep the rig from being used, and the B.A.S.S. federation did that. Hoohyah!


fishing user avatarjames 14 reply : 

FLW decided to allow the rig for this coming season. I like the explanation they gave and agree with them. The main jist was they don't believe this lure is the great equalizer that will end all innovation and allow anglers of all skill levels to compete as equals. I concur...the lure is not THAT special.


fishing user avatarSam reply : 

I spoke with Chris Dunnavant, the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries (DGIF) education director and two of the DGIF conservation officers about the Alabam Rig and they told me the following:

"In Virginia the Alabama Rig is legal and remain legal unless a group of interested people approach their delegate to introduce legislation in the Virginia House of Delegates to ban the rig and other multi-hook presentations."

To do this means that one group, be it B.A.S.S., FLW, PETA, etc. would have to talk a delegate into introducing the legislation and then have a second delegate (usually one Democrate and one Republican) go along with the bill to have both sides of the asile consider the measure.

The public will be able to present their views and input at the committee hearings and if the committee votes to move the bill along to the House of Delegates it will be introduced, debated and then voted upon.

As you can note from the above process, to have the Alabama Rig outlawed in Virginia will take time, money and effort by one group which I do not foresee happening.

If the DGIF decides to ban the multi-hook rigs then they will have to approach a delegatge and follow the steps to have the multi-hook presentations outlawed. In my opinion, only the DGIF has the power to successfully do this.

Just wanted everyone to know about using the Alabama Rig in Virginia.


fishing user avatarBlue Streak reply : 

This rig is already illegal in Ohio

Reply to an e mail inquiry From the Ohio Dept of Natural Resources:

An Alabama Rig or Umbrella Rig, using 5 leaders, is illegal in Ohio, unless

you follow the rule of three hooks per fishing line. Anglers may only use up to

three hooks on each line. The Alabama Rig allows for 5 items to be attached.

If a fisherman were to use only 3 of the leaders on the rig, using only 3 hooks

total, then, they could use the rig, but, wouldn't be using the entire rig, only

part of it. Also, if someone were to attach a lure with 3 hooks to one of the

leaders, then, that is all that you can have, the 1 lure. Once again, anglers

are allowed up to 3 hooks on each fishing line.

To further clarify, the rule of three applies here. You can only use three hooks

per line. Either three lures with one set (treble hook included) of hooks each

or one lure with three trebles, such as a Reef Runner or muskie lure.

Regardless, no more than three hooks no matter the combination of lures. Again

to clarify, a treble counts as one hook


fishing user avatarbowhunter63 reply : 

We cant use it in Missouri,But i cant remember a stir like this in the bass fishing world in a long time.Theres good points on both sides.


fishing user avatarflipin4bass reply : 

Is it rigged? (no pun intended)


fishing user avatarFishing Rhino reply : 

Rigged or not, I do not know. But, it does illustrate, quite clearly, what I have stated about my experience with umbrella rigs for years ago.

He looked more like he was retrieving a bait than actually fighting fish. They exert far more frantic energy fighting each other than fighting the fisherman.

Banned or not, by states or an organization, I have no opinion, and do not care. My reason for not using one is that multiple hookups really do take the fun out it. If I hadn't used umbrella rigs years ago, I'd most likely be out there buying a couple of these rigs, and using them where they were legal. But, I'm convinced that after a few multiple catches of just dragging the fish back to the boat, it would get put away, or thrown away.


fishing user avatarWayne P. reply : 

There have been several high level tournaments this month, and I haven't seen a Alabama rig mentioned as being involved any any of the top finishes. That is the BASS Southern Open at Harris Chain, Basschamps at Falcon, and Everstart at Big O.

How can that possibly be since the A-rig was not banned in those events?


fishing user avatarrobdob reply : 
  On 1/19/2012 at 12:53 AM, South FLA said:

I am personally against the banning of the Alabama rig, it is a lure that has an application just as any otherl In specific situations, if you are in a tournament and recognize the ability of the lure to possibly catch more or better quality fish then why not use your situational expertise to catch more fish or better quality fish using the Alabama rig over another lure, if you watched the FLW tournament on T.V. you saw plenty of anglers that stated that the Alabama rig caught the better quality fish out of the school when compared to another lure such as a lipless crankbait or jerk bait, some angler adjusted and some did not. The same arguement applies to a double fluke rig. If the committe wanted to ban multiple catches per lure, than how about applying a rule where the angler gets to pick only one fish to keep if a multiple hook-up occurs, that would a more logical approach? To me it is not simply a matter of holding professional to a "higher standard," but limiting the approach a professional can take.

it is not at all a lure that has an application like any other...... it is 5 lures not one how is that ethical for a tournament fisherman to use. go to a lake that has suspending bass feeding on shad or alewives and tell me you can't catch ten times more fish with this than anything else. if you say its just like any lure your either crazy, lying, or have never used it in the right sitiuation. your not an elite series angler so go ahead and keep using it


fishing user avatarrobdob reply : 
  On 1/23/2012 at 3:52 AM, Wayne P. said:

There have been several high level tournaments this month, and I haven't seen a Alabama rig mentioned as being involved any any of the top finishes. That is the BASS Southern Open at Harris Chain, Basschamps at Falcon, and Everstart at Big O.

How can that possibly be since the A-rig was not banned in those events?

because in all of these tournaments bass are not suspended feeding exclusively on baitfish. thats the only reason they weren't used.


fishing user avatarSouth FLA reply : 
  On 1/25/2012 at 8:00 PM, robdob said:

it is not at all a lure that has an application like any other...... it is 5 lures not one how is that ethical for a tournament fisherman to use. go to a lake that has suspending bass feeding on shad or alewives and tell me you can't catch ten times more fish with this than anything else. if you say its just like any lure your either crazy, lying, or have never used it in the right sitiuation. your not an elite series angler so go ahead and keep using it

Your argument is flawed. First, I have used it on schooling bass on Lake Okeechobee numerous times and if you read my other post on the subject it did not catch ten times more fish than anything else, was it more productive at times? Yes

Your argument hinges on the statement "I has five lures at a time how is that ethical." What is your logic behind this statement? Is it because 5 lures with hooks greatly increases your chances of hooking a fish? If that is the case why not argue that only one of the 5 lures can be have a hook and the rest are hookless acting as a schooling bait ball?

No, I am not an Elite Angler, but what does that have to do with it? FLW and even B.A.S.S. Open tournaments with "professional anglers" have not restricted the use of the Umbrella rig or Alabama Rig.

FLW states the following:

"We believe professional anglers deserve more credit than that. We believe their skill and intuition will not be undercut by a baitfish-imitating technique that helps less experienced anglers catch fish when otherwise they might not. Will it force some pros to elevate their game and adapt? Of course it will. Just like GPS, side-imaging sonar, sight-fishing, shallow-water anchors and countless lure, line and rod innovations have done over the years. Buzzbaits and ChatterBaits were once considered radical, as were flipping and sight-fishing. But they are all simply tools of the trade now. The same will hold true for Alabama Rigs. It’s not the end of fishing as we know it."

I would also like an apology for insinuating that I am either a liar or crazy, maybe not the crazy part. You can disapprove of people's opinion, but using the public forum to slander is classless in my opinion.


fishing user avatarJ Francho reply : 

Will the Elites be able to use these during non tournament hours, for example prefishing or practice?


fishing user avatarCJ reply : 
  On 1/25/2012 at 10:26 PM, J Francho said:

Will the Elites be able to use these during non tournament hours, for example prefishing or practice?

The first sentence of the article reads,"during practice and competition".


fishing user avatarGlenn reply : 

C'mon kids, this is fishing. No need to be calling each other names - or get your feelings all ruffled up. If you can't be civil, then it's time to just walk away from this thread.

Geez, I hate it when I have to talk to adults like that!


fishing user avatarJ Francho reply : 
  On 1/25/2012 at 11:35 PM, CJ said:

The first sentence of the article reads,"during practice and competition".

Thanks! Should have just reread the article, LOL.


fishing user avatarCJ reply : 
  On 1/25/2012 at 11:51 PM, J Francho said:

Thanks! Should have just reread the article, LOL.

I do stuff like that all the time. I've been wondering myself how exactly the rule will be written. An A-rig that would only have one hook would still be a great lure. Most of the time when I catch just one fish, it will be on the center swimbait. Plus I've noticed when it gets short struck, if I'll kill the rig the fish will usually come back for it. To me, what makes the rig so deadly goes back to how efficient a mature bass is. One baitfish may not be worth a chase but 5 of em'? I wonder if it will be legal to put dummy (hookless) lures on the rig. This would also make the rig much more weedless.


fishing user avatarroadwarrior reply : 

In Tennessee multiple blades are considered to be part of a single "packaged" lure. Seperate blades, regardless of whether they have hooks, are considered "lures". In this case, the rig in question would not be legal in this state. Tennessee is currently reviewing the specific rules for multiple presentations. At this time the limit is 3.

Link to video with TWRA explaining what is legal in Tennessee

http://www.tomstrail.50webs.com/


fishing user avatarCJ reply : 

That's a good video for the TN anglers RW. I would say a must see for TN anglers who are planning on fishing the rig. Still it is saying a rig with 5 lures but only 1 hook is legal (3:30 into the video). Also noticed how they were saying the umbrella rig was killing stripers yet they haven't noticed this to be a problem with bass.


fishing user avatarroadwarrior reply : 

Watch the video again. "Decoys" count as lures, with or without hooks.


fishing user avatarBassWhole! reply : 
  On 1/26/2012 at 1:38 AM, roadwarrior said:

Watch the video again. "Decoys" count as lures, with or without hooks.

If that's the case, then this makes a spinnerbait illegal or it unfairly singles out the A-rig, no?


fishing user avatarroadwarrior reply : 

No.

A "packaged" lure with multiple blades is considered "one lure".


fishing user avatarCJ reply : 
  On 1/26/2012 at 1:38 AM, roadwarrior said:

Watch the video again. "Decoys" count as lures, with or without hooks.

I did. At 3:30-4:30 into the video, he shows a rig with 4 dummies and one lure featuring a hook. He says it's legal beens it features only one hook. I do see where he is saying you can't have 2 dummies plus 3 hooked lures. I think they are leaving some gray area.

Still I'm wondering how BASS is going to interpet their rule as far as the use of dummy lures on the rig when they fish where it's not prohibited.


fishing user avatarBass XL reply : 
  On 1/22/2012 at 4:11 PM, bowhunter63 said:

We cant use it in Missouri,But i cant remember a stir like this in the bass fishing world in a long time.Theres good points on both sides.

Yes you can, only 3 out of the 5 may contain hooks though.


fishing user avatarJ Francho reply : 

I'm just imagining a spinnerbait with a long arm and lots of blades spread out.


fishing user avatarpiscicidal reply : 

That's the comment I made before on this thread...I wonder what BASS would say about a six-bladed spinnerbait?

Because the way I see it, there is no functional difference between a six-bladed spinnerbait and an A-rig with five "decoys" and one center bait with a hook. Unless BASS is going to start legislating what the distance between blades on a spinnerbait can be...


fishing user avatarbigbassctchr101 reply : 
  On 1/26/2012 at 2:51 AM, piscicidal said:

That's the comment I made before on this thread...I wonder what BASS would say about a six-bladed spinnerbait?

Because the way I see it, there is no functional difference between a six-bladed spinnerbait and an A-rig with five "decoys" and one center bait with a hook. Unless BASS is going to start legislating what the distance between blades on a spinnerbait can be...

The current law in Tennessee, as it reads, says that each blade of a spinner bait would be considered as a bait. But, that has recently been clarified.


fishing user avatarbrushhoggin reply : 

i like a local pro's point of view. he says "It's no different than any technique that comes out and produces fish right away, like the Chatterbait. New lures come out strong, then as time progresses, the fad dies off and it goes away. Are we going to start outlawing every new bait that comes out and is successful? I hope not." His concerns also go beyond competition."My big thing is that we need things to stimulate interest in our industry," he said. "People run out, buy it and that generates excitement in the business, and for years people have complained that the industry has been too stagnant."


fishing user avatarFishing Rhino reply : 

Of course a pro wants things which stimulate the industry. It is to the benefit of the vendors and pros. The more popular the sport, the more profitable the sport.

Think about it this way. You are a weekend warrior, or maybe fish several times per week. For those of us able to get out other than weekends, I can tell you this. It is much nicer fishing on weekdays when the lake isn't full of other fishermen, and an armada of recreational boats, just out cruising or zooming around.

Having said that, I do not begrudge anyone from the jetboat set to the party barges enjoying the water and my having to share it with them. We are often as much a nuisance to them as they are to us. Living near Cape Cod the ponds are busiest between the Fourth of July and Labor Day with weekends being the absolute worst as far as boat traffic goes.

The fewer the boats, the more freedom I have to access all areas of the pond. From a purely selfish perspective, I don't want to see more boats and more fishing pressure. It does me no good whatever. While stimulating the industry is good for vendors and pros, it's not as good for the recreational fisherman.

I love the overcast, drizzly, days for fishing. Not as much activity.


fishing user avatarmrbassky reply : 

After reading alot about this subject the past couple taking time to sit back and reflect I can say without a doubt this is the dumbest decision BASS has ever made. Its just another example of how FLW gets it and BASS doesn't.

What are the arguements for making it illegal?

Well fish cant help themselves its too easy.

Well by that reasoning you could have made lots of new techniques illegal. What about flipping? you think if they had a similar rules committee years ago and a few select guys were spanking everybody flipping that you might have some guys say its too easy. In certain situations you cant beat flipping. How is that different? How different woudl bass fishing be without flipping?

If its an arguement about the safety of the bass then only allow one bait to have a hook in it. Thats pretty simple.

I dont want to see everybody throwing the same thing.

Well by that arguement lots of baits would be illegal. How many tournaments are everybody sight fishing? so what if they are using different lures by that comparison they were all using different swimbaits on the Arig

I just havent heard many good arguements to make it illegal. I think the dissadvantages of making it illegal will outweigh the advantages.


fishing user avatarDiggy reply : 

Almost bought one today from Dicks Sporting goods but Im not sure if my rods will hold up to that weight


fishing user avatarrobdob reply : 
  On 1/27/2012 at 5:38 AM, mrbassky said:

After reading alot about this subject the past couple taking time to sit back and reflect I can say without a doubt this is the dumbest decision BASS has ever made. Its just another example of how FLW gets it and BASS doesn't.

What are the arguements for making it illegal?

Well fish cant help themselves its too easy.

Well by that reasoning you could have made lots of new techniques illegal. What about flipping? you think if they had a similar rules committee years ago and a few select guys were spanking everybody flipping that you might have some guys say its too easy. In certain situations you cant beat flipping. How is that different? How different woudl bass fishing be without flipping?

If its an arguement about the safety of the bass then only allow one bait to have a hook in it. Thats pretty simple.

I dont want to see everybody throwing the same thing.

Well by that arguement lots of baits would be illegal. How many tournaments are everybody sight fishing? so what if they are using different lures by that comparison they were all using different swimbaits on the Arig

I just havent heard many good arguements to make it illegal. I think the dissadvantages of making it illegal will outweigh the advantages.

the only argument you need is that it is five lures not one.. how can you be so close minded to not see that.

flipping =one lure chatterbait=one lure sight fishing=one lure not real sure how you could possibly not see the difference.


fishing user avatarrobdob reply : 
  On 1/26/2012 at 2:51 AM, piscicidal said:

That's the comment I made before on this thread...I wonder what BASS would say about a six-bladed spinnerbait?

Because the way I see it, there is no functional difference between a six-bladed spinnerbait and an A-rig with five "decoys" and one center bait with a hook. Unless BASS is going to start legislating what the distance between blades on a spinnerbait can be...

a bass can not swallow a blade off of a spinnerbait, a bass can swallow a swimbait off of an alabama rig without a hook and that is a death sentence for the fish.


fishing user avatarJ Francho reply : 

I think wacky rigged Senkos are unsporting. The incidence of deep/gut hooking is very high, they take zero skill to fish, they pollute the waters, and any left in the lake can kill fish if eaten.


fishing user avatarrobdob reply : 
  On 1/25/2012 at 10:22 PM, South FLA said:

Your argument is flawed. First, I have used it on schooling bass on Lake Okeechobee numerous times and if you read my other post on the subject it did not catch ten times more fish than anything else, was it more productive at times? Yes

Your argument hinges on the statement "I has five lures at a time how is that ethical." What is your logic behind this statement? Is it because 5 lures with hooks greatly increases your chances of hooking a fish? If that is the case why not argue that only one of the 5 lures can be have a hook and the rest are hookless acting as a schooling bait ball?

No, I am not an Elite Angler, but what does that have to do with it? FLW and even B.A.S.S. Open tournaments with "professional anglers" have not restricted the use of the Umbrella rig or Alabama Rig.

FLW states the following:

"We believe professional anglers deserve more credit than that. We believe their skill and intuition will not be undercut by a baitfish-imitating technique that helps less experienced anglers catch fish when otherwise they might not. Will it force some pros to elevate their game and adapt? Of course it will. Just like GPS, side-imaging sonar, sight-fishing, shallow-water anchors and countless lure, line and rod innovations have done over the years. Buzzbaits and ChatterBaits were once considered radical, as were flipping and sight-fishing. But they are all simply tools of the trade now. The same will hold true for Alabama Rigs. It’s not the end of fishing as we know it."

I would also like an apology for insinuating that I am either a liar or crazy, maybe not the crazy part. You can disapprove of people's opinion, but using the public forum to slander is classless in my opinion.

okeechobee is not a deep enough lake to have suspending fish behaving the way that makes them likely to want the alabama rig. schooling bass and suspended schooling bass begave differently. . therefore my point stands and i owe you no apology. do you due research before arguing. buzzbaits, flipping, chatterbaits and sight fishing are one lure techniques. not five lure techniques that is the HUGE difference between this and all other techniques.


fishing user avatarpiscicidal reply : 
  On 1/31/2012 at 11:38 PM, robdob said:

a bass can not swallow a blade off of a spinnerbait, a bass can swallow a swimbait off of an alabama rig without a hook and that is a death sentence for the fish.

I could fasten a swim bait to an A-rig to make it just as hard (or harder) to come off as a plastic coming off a hook. I have plastics being pulled off hooks all the time by bass. Should BASS outlaw soft plastics as a result? Of course the answer is no...

That's not the issue here...No one is arguing against the A-rig on the basis of fish mortality. If so, I could make a much stronger case against multiple treble hook lures such as spooks.


fishing user avatarCAdeltaLipRipper reply : 

hm.i thought theyd eventually ban it lol


fishing user avatarCKFishin reply : 
  On 1/26/2012 at 2:36 AM, Bass XL said:

Yes you can, only 3 out of the 5 may contain hooks though.

I have been reading there is acctually a way to use it with all 5 in MO...

I'll prob still never fish it because im not trolling the ocean....


fishing user avatarTeam9nine reply : 

I think this whole argument has been blown way out of proportion. Regardless of whatever explanation they (poorly) tried to explain, the point that seems to be getting lost here is that the Elite Series Rules Committee members unanimously voted for and asked B.A.S.S./Trip to not allow it. B.A.S.S. only complied with the anglers wishes. It was a decision by that group, which acts as representatives for all Elite Series anglers, to self impose it on their Series only. It affects 100 anglers in the country fishing a single circuit, and doesn't apply to any of their lower level events. Wouldn't surprise me if they changed the rule to allow it after this one year hiatus. Either way, doesn't affect anybody else throwing it. I don't see what the big deal is...

-T9


fishing user avatarvapredhunter reply : 

I think if something is going to be banned to save the lives of fish. It should be tournment fishing during the spawn, jerking fish off the beds and carrying them 10 miles up the lake. I don't see how the fish on my home lake even have a spawn with all the tournments 400 or 500 boats a weekend. carrying them all around the lake. March thru June should be pleasure fish only.

Anyway I don't see the big deal with the A rig you still got to know how to fish to catch fish with it. Its not a magic lure!!!! I guess when you tie the A rig on you look at the wife and say well honey going catching today see you in a while... Its still fishing and you have to throw it in the right place.


fishing user avatarjeb2 reply : 
  On 2/3/2012 at 2:28 PM, CKFishin said:

I have been reading there is acctually a way to use it with all 5 in MO...

You can use all 5 arms of an A-rig in MO, but only 3 of them can have hooks. I was up at Table Rock the other day and just substituted other baits like grubs for the non-hook arms. I used "hitch hikers" to attach them to the A-rig.

Here in Ark, we can use hooks on all 5 arms.


fishing user avatarrobdob reply : 
  On 2/6/2012 at 1:43 PM, vapredhunter said:

I think if something is going to be banned to save the lives of fish. It should be tournment fishing during the spawn, jerking fish off the beds and carrying them 10 miles up the lake. I don't see how the fish on my home lake even have a spawn with all the tournments 400 or 500 boats a weekend. carrying them all around the lake. March thru June should be pleasure fish only.

Anyway I don't see the big deal with the A rig you still got to know how to fish to catch fish with it. Its not a magic lure!!!! I guess when you tie the A rig on you look at the wife and say well honey going catching today see you in a while... Its still fishing and you have to throw it in the right place.

i've always thought the same thing i hate seeing that.. although i do also agree with the alabama rig being banned


fishing user avatarsilvercliff_46 reply : 

Why ban it, heck they should allow cast nets, gill nets too. Isn't the point to see how many hawgs you can slap on the deck. Quarter sticks with water proof wicks work great, and if you don't have the skill to use them you'll blow your arm off. Now THAT!.., is exciting fishing.


fishing user avatarFishing Rhino reply : 
  On 2/11/2012 at 12:27 AM, silvercliff_46 said:

Why ban it, heck they should allow cast nets, gill nets too. Isn't the point to see how many hawgs you can slap on the deck. Quarter sticks with water proof wicks work great, and if you don't have the skill to use them you'll blow your arm off. Now THAT!.., is exciting fishing.

Heck, let's practice green fishing like they do in China. Use Cormorants with a ring around their necks. The ring is a snug fit so the cormorant cannot swallow the fish it grabs.

Find a school of fish and let your flock of fishing Cormorants do their thing. You think I'm spoofing?

http://www.environme...rmorant-fishing

http://www.bing.com/...tail&FORM=VIRE3


fishing user avatarWRB reply : 

I don't have a dog in this fight because I am not a tournament angler anymore.

B.A.S.S. has made some good and bad decisions over the 45 years that I have been a life member, banning the A-rig from Elite events ranks near the top of the bad decisions. Most of you may not remember that B.A.S.S. banned flipping from their tournaments when Dee Thomas won events. B.A.S.S. made the 8' rod rule and added the rod must have a functional reel. Dee got together with Fenwick and return to B.A.S.S. tournaments with his flipping stick, Dave Glebie joined him, followed by Gray Klein and flipping/pitching became a main stay with the tournament anglers.

Banning the A-rig, a castable umbrella rig, along with banning any other multiple lure rig, will not last long. Like flipping the anglers will adjust the presentation and B.A.S.S. will adjust their rules. The A-rig is here to stay.

Under the new rule a twin spin (Shannon type) spinner bait with 2 wire arms and blades would be legal. The number of attractors is not controlled, like a 5 bladed safety pin spinner bait is legal. The next generation of tournament A-rigs will more than likely evolve to a single hook lure with several attractors on multiple wires. Where B.A.S.S. draws the line is anyones guess at this time, but it's been my experience they will change and allow versions of the A-rig.

Tom


fishing user avatarCODbasser reply : 

I can't wait to flip an A rig with five tubes on it, into a bed and see what happens! :eyebrows: :eyebrows: :eyebrows:


fishing user avatarsilvercliff_46 reply : 

Breaking News..., "Kevin Van Dam legendary bass fisherman, winner of several Bassmaster Classic tournaments, took third place in the 2013 Bass Master Classic."

Kevin was unseated by John "Jughead" Larsen (2nd place winner) who ran a line of jugs he set up during practice a couple of days before. While disappointed with his second place showing, His sponsor Borden dairy products will be coming out with a new line of Chartreuse jugs this fall :eyebrows:

First place was owned by Barrackoplinski Jones. Jones an expert set line practitioner and sponsored by "Homeland Security Saving and Loan" smiled a toothy grin stating "finally things are FAIR in tournament bass fishing". :respect-059:

Van Dam exclaimed " I guess I just don't have the skill set it takes to compete in todays tournament trail" :Idontknow:

It was a good run Kevin, but one man vs one fish just ain't good enough anymore. :cry3:




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