Size Jig head for Ned Rig? 2024
BassinFLNY reply :
I decided to pick up a pack of the 2.75 in Finesse TRDz today and a pack of the 1/10 oz shroomz. Is the 1/10 oz to big or to small? I always used the Big TRDz before with the 1/6 oz so trying something new.
Fishin' Fool reply :
I like the 1/10th with the finesse worm. Perfect size in mind.
moguy1973 reply :
I use the 1/15th oz ones primarily. BTW, it's cheaper to get the 5" Zinkerz and cut them in half. You get 12 out of a pack to 8 with the TRDs. Can save even more by buying Strike King Zeros. Same thing and usually 50 cents cheaper than the Zman ones.
BassinFLNY reply :
On 7/14/2017 at 9:25 AM, moguy1973 said:I use the 1/15th oz ones primarily. BTW, it's cheaper to get the 5" Zinkerz and cut them in half. You get 12 out of a pack to 8 with the TRDs. Can save even more by buying Strike King Zeros. Same thing and usually 50 cents cheaper than the Zman ones.
Thanks, when I bought these all the had were finesse TRDz 2.75 in.
HookRz reply :
Less than one eighth, and as light as depth and wind allow. What most fish and call a Ned rig these days has little to do with Ned Kehdes no-feel Midwest finesse system. It catches fish, don't get me wrong, but it's really nothing more than a short jig-worm.
tcbass reply :
On 7/14/2017 at 9:25 AM, moguy1973 said:I use the 1/15th oz ones primarily. BTW, it's cheaper to get the 5" Zinkerz and cut them in half. You get 12 out of a pack to 8 with the TRDs. Can save even more by buying Strike King Zeros. Same thing and usually 50 cents cheaper than the Zman ones.
Are Strike King Zeros made with ElaZtech too?
HookRz reply :
On 7/14/2017 at 1:17 PM, tcbass said:
Are Strike King Zeros made with ElaZtech too?
Yup. Made for the by Zman.
Team9nine reply :
Too big, but you'll be fine....
tcbass reply :
On 7/14/2017 at 8:35 PM, Team9nine said:Too big, but you'll be fine....
What size head do you use?
Team9nine reply :
1/16 (1/15), 1/20 and 1/32 mostly, in that order. You'll still catch plenty on a 1/10 though.
moguy1973 reply :
I use 1/10th oz and even 1/6th oz when I'm in streams and I want to get down into the current faster. Usually lakes get the light stuff though.
OCdockskipper reply :
1/15th if you want to fish it like a Ned rig, I only (rarely) move up to 1/10 if the wind is blowing my casts all all over the place.
The heavier weights make it fish more like a grub on a regular jighead. It will work, but it really is a different method.
flatcreek reply :
I think I'll try this rig.It is hot in GA now and the bass bite is tough.this just might be the ticket to catch a few more.
ChrisD46 reply :
On 7/14/2017 at 10:39 PM, Team9nine said:1/16 (1/15), 1/20 and 1/32 mostly, in that order. You'll still catch plenty on a 1/10 though.
Team9nine , Bluebasser86 , etc. and other long time Mid West posters here were "genetically altered at birth" to be pre-disposed at fishing the Ned Rig : They have FORGOTTEN more about the Ned Rig then I will ever know , so when they post you should soak it up like a sponge !
gimruis reply :
Don't forget to loosen up your drag a bit. Those jig heads are light wire hooks and I bent a couple when I set the hook on a big fish earlier this season.
Smokinal reply :
Ive caught hundreds of fish on the 1/10
Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :
I use 1/15 for TRD and half zinkerz, 1/10 on anything about 4" like Big TRD, Hula Stick and paddler Shad . I just order 3/32 oz shroom jig head from siebert and will try that for everything instead.
JustinJ reply :
I use 1/20 and 1/15 Most but i fish places that average 3' in depth
everythingthatswims reply :
On 7/14/2017 at 9:25 AM, moguy1973 said:I use the 1/15th oz ones primarily. BTW, it's cheaper to get the 5" Zinkerz and cut them in half. You get 12 out of a pack to 8 with the TRDs. Can save even more by buying Strike King Zeros. Same thing and usually 50 cents cheaper than the Zman ones.
I catch wayyy more fish per bait with the TRDs, the zinkerz cut in half seem to come off the jighead very easily. TRDs will float right out of the package but with a zinker it takes time.
moguy1973 reply :
On 7/20/2017 at 9:35 PM, everythingthatswims said:I catch wayyy more fish per bait with the TRDs, the zinkerz cut in half seem to come off the jighead very easily. TRDs will float right out of the package but with a zinker it takes time.
Gel superglue fixes the problem with the zinkerz coming off the hook. A little dab behind the head will hold that thing on there for many many many fish. I've caught 50 fish before using the same half of a zinker before.
Also, for those using the Shroomz heads use a pliers to take the bait keeper wire off the hook shank. That thing causes more problems than it's worth.
Scarborough817 reply :
im on the heavy side i prefer the 1/5th oz
chadmack282 reply :
On 7/14/2017 at 10:39 PM, Team9nine said:1/16 (1/15), 1/20 and 1/32 mostly, in that order. You'll still catch plenty on a 1/10 though.
how deep r u fishing?
r u fishing shallow on or close to bottom?
or r u fish suspenders, say 12fow where fish r suspending around 6'?
Team9nine reply :
12' and less, often less than 8'. Beyond that, any depth within that range, not just on the bottom.
Subaqua Adinterim reply :
On 7/21/2017 at 8:29 PM, moguy1973 said:Also, for those using the Shroomz heads use a pliers to take the bait keeper wire off the hook shank. That thing causes more problems than it's worth.
I just started using the Ned rig technique and am amazed how successful it can be. I do experience the TRD scrunching up and twisting around the bait keeper wire after each fish, which makes it tough to untwist it and get it back straight. It's an ongoing struggle. I will experiment with taking the bait keeper off, or clipping it back a little with wire clippers or just bending it down.
Thanks so much to all the above posters for the helpful information.
Smokinal reply :
On 7/22/2017 at 8:39 PM, RichPenNY said:I just started using the Ned rig technique and am amazed how successful it can be. I do experience the TRD scrunching up and twisting around the bait keeper wire after each fish, which makes it tough to untwist it and get it back straight. It's an ongoing struggle. I will experiment with taking the bait keeper off, or clipping it back a little with wire clippers or just bending it down.
Thanks so much to all the above posters for the helpful information.
I, too, break the keeper off and super glue the flat end of the top of the bait to the jighead. Works mint like that
OCdockskipper reply :
A quick side note, at the Elite tournament on the St. Lawrence river today, Luke Clausen had what looks to be the big bag for the 3rd day. From stage, he said he caught the 23-12 bag of smallmouth on a TRD. Too bad it is a numbers only bait... 
Smokinal reply :
On 7/23/2017 at 4:16 AM, OCdockskipper said:A quick side note, at the Elite tournament on the St. Lawrence river today, Luke Clausen had what looks to be the big bag for the 3rd day. From stage, he said he caught the 23-12 bag of smallmouth on a TRD. Too bad it is a numbers only bait...
I have been absolutely mythed that I haven't seen it in MLF. There is no better platform for the Ned than that. I've seen guys go 8 hours, literally, without a single bite and will not put down the shakey head.
WRB reply :
On 7/23/2017 at 5:00 AM, Smokinal said:I have been absolutely mythed that I haven't seen it in MLF. There is no better platform for the Ned than that. I've seen guys go 8 hours, literally, without a single bite and will not put down the shakey head.
Maybe you watch more closely, the Ned rig has been tried and a few bass caught using it. MLF is all about catching 12"+ bass quickly and if the Ned rig worked under the conditions the pros are fishing they would use it. When conditions are tough the pros tend to go with a drop shot rig to be competitive.
Tom
OCdockskipper reply :
On 7/23/2017 at 5:52 AM, WRB said:...MLF is all about catching 12"+ bass quickly and if the Ned rig worked under the conditions the pros are fishing they would use it...
When I was in Houston for the Classic earlier this year, the staff at the Z-Man booth had a different take on this.
The main reason for lack of exposure or use of ZMan's TRD's & other Ned products is that Zman is not a MLF sponsor nor do any of their pro's fish in MLF. A Strike King pro could use half a Zero on a mushroom head, but the announcers would (accurately) describe it as a small jig with a Strike King plastic on it. There is no reason for any of the pro's or MLF to report on the use of ZMan's products unless they absolutely had to. However, that scenario occurred earlier this year.
Kevin Short won a MLF select event and true to his nature of independence & integrity, told (& showed) the audience over & over that he was using a TRD. Mark Rose, who finished in 2nd, was using a similiar product/technique but described it as a small jig.
I was a marketing major in college and one of the things we studied was product life cycles. Any product that has huge sales initially but then quickly declines is an example of great marketing of a bad product. People buy it off of the initial information, but are quickly dissatisfied with it and don't repeat the purchase. Zman is experiencing the exact opposite with the TRD in my opinion, slow or steady initial sales that continue to climb over time. That is representative of poor or little marketing of a good product. Sales tend to grow through word of mouth as people are pleased with the performance of a product.
Tom, I know your legendary history of catching incredible numbers of huge largemouths here in California. I also understand your hesitancy to think of the Ned rig as anything more than just a small jig, that it is really nothing new. My question is, with all due respect, have you ever fished a true Ned rig in the manner Ned Kehde and other Midwest afficianado's have taught, for a whole day?
WRB reply :
No, I haven't had to fish a Ned rig to catch bass where I fish. My stock of finesse soft plastics needs to get reduced and they always work very well for me using dart head, small round jigs, drop shot or slip shot rigged with a wide variety of worms, grubs or reapers.
If I was not successful or in need of something to catch bass I give the TRD a try.
You may want to try a 3" reaper on your Ned jig, different falling action.
Tom
d-camarena reply :
Great product thay catches tons of bass, but not the size bass to satisfy my needs. I still keep em around but rarely throw them.
OCdockskipper reply :
Brock Moseley just announced from stage that he caught most of his smallmouth this week at the Elite event on a Ned rig, until the wind created a problem fishing the light weight. He caught over 20lbs of smallmouth each day, total of 82-3.
If KVD's parent's had never met, Brock Moseley and the Ned Rig would have have posted their first Elite wins.
OCdockskipper reply :
On 7/24/2017 at 2:53 AM, WRB said:No, I haven't had to fish a Ned rig to catch bass where I fish. My stock of finesse soft plastics needs to get reduced and they always work very well for me using dart head, small round jigs, drop shot or slip shot rigged with a wide variety of worms, grubs or reapers.
If I was not successful or in need of something to catch bass I give the TRD a try.
You may want to try a 3" reaper on your Ned jig, different falling action.
Tom
Tom, let me preface this post by stating in the words of Bobby Knight, I believe you have forgotten more about bass fishing than I am ever going to know. I hope this post doesn't come across as harsh, that is not the way it is intended, but there are some flaws in the logic of what you wrote above.
It would be easy to imagine a successful fisherman back in the 1970's saying he has enough diving plugs so he had no need to fish a Big O to catch bass. I wouldn't blame Homer Circle if back in the early 2000's if he had said he had no use for a Senko, he had enough other plastic worms. Experience & success often blinds us to subtle differences that are summarily dismissed.
To say that you "haven't had to fish a Ned Rig" or if you were "not successful", you would give it a try is a bit condescending, as if this method (Midwest Finesse) is just something one uses to help beginners or lousy fishermen. Like Don Iovino's doodling or Dee Thomas Flippin', the truth is Midwest Finesse is an effective way to catch many & large bass that won't fall to other methods. One doesn't have to be desperate to use it.
On B.A.S.S.'s website review of Icast recently, a reporter who had never caught a 10lb bass wrote an article listing the 5 new baits he felt were most likely to catch a 10 lb bass in 2018. Say What?? As a commenter wrote, that is like taking dietary advice from a fat person. I bring this up based on your suggestion of using a reaper on a mushroom head for a different falling action. If ones experience with Midwest Finesse is only theoretical and their view of it is that it is really nothing new or different, than giving advice on it doesn't make sense. That's why you see me shying away on commenting on how to catch 30 lb stringers, how to win tournaments, best trailers on a chatterbait or a host of other subjects in which I have zero experience ever actually accomplishing or having any success with.
Again, please know that I am no way impugning your knowledge or accomplishments of bass fishing. In fact, I will make the following standing offer. If you are ever down in Orange County and want a few hours fishing on a non-public lake, you are welcome to join me on my little boat. I'll give you the front seat, be happy to stay in the back observing and learning as you break down my 85 acre lake. If it makes sense to do so, I'll throw a Ned rig most of the day, that could be a fun experiment.
Thanks for listening Tom & do feel free to take me up on my offer if you want to.
WRB reply :
I spend bout 90% of my time on the water catching big bass and 10% finesse bass fishing. The 10% is when I have someone with me that wants to catch a few bass and doesn't care what size it is. I just meter some catchable bass and use a finesse rig, usually a slip shot or drop shot and catch those bass. Why would buying more stuff at this point in my life help? I have a few hundred worms that always work and catch 5 to 10 bass in a few hours. Iovino is on the water every week and always finesse fishes, next lunch we have I will ask Don how the Ned rig is doing for him, if it's working he is using it!
Peace,
Tom
IndianaFinesse reply :
5-10 bass an hour is on the slow side of average for most Midwest finesse anglers...
Scott F reply :
I have introduced the Ned rig to several other good fishermen who all dismissed it as just a jig and plastic. After they watched the success I had with it, they see it differently.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 7/24/2017 at 4:00 AM, OCdockskipper said:Brock Moseley just announced from stage that he caught most of his smallmouth this week at the Elite event on a Ned rig, until the wind created a problem fishing the light weight. He caught over 20lbs of smallmouth each day, total of 82-3.
If KVD's parent's had never met, Brock Moseley and the Ned Rig would have have posted their first Elite wins.
What he called a "Ned rig" was in fact a 1/5 ounce jig head with a senko, what makes that different from a shaky head/jig worm? Not really asking you ocdockskiper, it just really bugs me.
WRB reply :
I am not knocking the Ned rig, what I am saying catching 10 keeper bass a day at Casitas or Castiac on any lure is an good day. Aaron Martens can't do that consistantly and is one of the best finesse bass anglers on the planet. Ned rig isn't a panacea, it's another good finesse presentation.
we fish over 20' deep during the summer, try that in 15 mph wind with a 1/16 oz Ned jig.
Tom
jtharris3 reply :
On 7/23/2017 at 4:16 AM, OCdockskipper said:A quick side note, at the Elite tournament on the St. Lawrence river today, Luke Clausen had what looks to be the big bag for the 3rd day. From stage, he said he caught the 23-12 bag of smallmouth on a TRD. Too bad it is a numbers only bait...
That caught my attention as well!
OCdockskipper reply :
On 7/24/2017 at 10:12 AM, IndianaFinesse said:What he called a "Ned rig" was in fact a 1/5 ounce jig head with a senko, what makes that different from a shaky head/jig worm? Not really asking you ocdockskiper, it just really bugs me.
I didn't hear any other specifics, I just heard what he said from stage. Knowing what Luke Clausen said the day before, I assumed Moseley meant a TRD or other Elaztech product on a very light head. Looks like I was wrong.
I am curious what he will show when Bassmaster shows the baits used by the top 12 finishers.
WRB reply :
1/5 oz (.200) is slightly lighter than 1/4 oz (.250) or slightly heavier than 3/16 oz (.187).
I consider all the above weight as normal, not light weight until you get less than 1/8 oz (.125). I use a 3/16 oz weight as my go to worm weights with bait casting tackle.
I recall an event a few years ago where at 3 of the anglers during a very tough bite dock fishing in a marina using the Ned rig, the event was won by a angler fishing those same docks using big flutter spoon!
Tom
cgolf reply :
Here is my 2 cents, I no longer fish a Ned rig, I fish a short plastic, maybe Zman, on whatever jighead weight the bass and conditions dictate. Sometimes that is a 1/16 or lighter head, or a 1/4 to 1/2 ounce head. If the fish want a bait that gets down quick and stays down I am not going to try and force feed them a lightweight head.
On 7/24/2017 at 8:20 AM, IndianaFinesse said:5-10 bass an hour is on the slow side of average for most Midwest finesse anglers...
This really rubs me the wrong way. The Ned Mafia;) would make you think that there really is only one bait to fish with to catch them. A lot of us don't fish lakes where the density of Bass is high enough to catch numbers like that. You might, Ned and Bluebasser might, but a lot of us don't. I have fished the bait quite a bit, but on the lakes I fish it has never been the best option, a good one sure, but the best no.
OCdockskipper reply :
So let me get this straight.
You use a heavier than recommended jighead & plastics other than Elaztech and then say that the Ned Rig won't catch the numbers of fish that some users claim it will?
Hmmmmmm....
cgolf reply :
On 7/25/2017 at 7:28 AM, OCdockskipper said:So let me get this straight.
You use a heavier than recommended jighead & plastics other than Elaztech and then say that the Ned Rig won't catch the numbers of fish that some users claim it will?
Hmmmmmm....
That's not what I said, I said I vary the weight depending on the fishes mood. 75% of the time the fish I chase bottom feed and don't chase baits, so in those cases yes I use a heavier head to catch fish.
Also elaztech baits are not needed to be a Ned rig, I use both elaztech and salted baits for a different swimming action. All I am saying is there are lakes out there that 5-6 fish an hour is a good catch rate Ned rig or no Ned rig. I never said it won't catch numbers, it can and will, but it is not a magic bait.
Please reread my post, that is my findings on the lakes I fish, I never said the bait was bad either, my PB Smallie came on a true Ned Rig.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 7/25/2017 at 7:00 AM, cgolf said:Here is my 2 cents, I no longer fish a Ned rig, I fish a short plastic, maybe Zman, on whatever jighead weight the bass and conditions dictate. Sometimes that is a 1/16 or lighter head, or a 1/4 to 1/2 ounce head. If the fish want a bait that gets down quick and stays down I am not going to try and force feed them a lightweight head.
This really rubs me the wrong way. The Ned Mafia;) would make you think that there really is only one bait to fish with to catch them. A lot of us don't fish lakes where the density of Bass is high enough to catch numbers like that. You might, Ned and Bluebasser might, but a lot of us don't. I have fished the bait quite a bit, but on the lakes I fish it has never been the best option, a good one sure, but the best no.
I did not intend to offend you by stating the catch rates of some mwf anglers(?) but there is absolutely zero truth in the statement that we say there is only one bait that can be considered a "Ned rig". We fish with many different baits, finesse shadzs, leachzs, hula stickzs, etc. I personally prefer elaztech baits because they are softer and more durable, it get pretty expensive fishing cut down senkos, but I do sometimes throw a slightly cut down finesse trick worm on it sometimes. No where have I said that you have to fish elaztech baits, they are just my recommendation.
The only thing that bugs me is that the definition of the word " Ned rig" is being lost and confused. While it used to have a generally accepted meaning, it no longer does. When words lose their definition, we lose our ability to communicate affectively. Now days, when someone mentions that they were slaying them on the "Ned rig", I have to ask whether it was actually just a shaky head (according to your definitions, what's the difference between a shaky head and a Ned rig anyways?) or if it was actually a small plastic under four inches on a small jig head, that isn't so heavy that it mist be fished on a tight line. I could not care less if you do fish an entire senko on a 1/5 ounce jig head, but don't call it something that it isn't.
The other thing is that many new comers don't realize that when they buy a pack of 1/4 ounce power shroomzs and put a trd on it, they aren't really using a ned rig and are actually fishing an entirely different bait. Then they dismiss the rig, or come back here and ask why they aren't seeing the catch rates expected.
BTW, I don't know where you live, but I can garruntee that the fishing isn't any worse than it is in Indiana or Kansas
. Just ask @Bluebasser86and I don't always catch 5-10 bass an hour on it either, but if I'm not getting those catch rates or better, I am usually not fishing it.
cgolf reply :
On 7/25/2017 at 8:18 AM, IndianaFinesse said:I did not intend to offend you by stating the catch rates of some mwf anglers(?) but there is absolutely zero truth in the statement that we say there is only one bait that can be considered a "Ned rig". We fish with many different baits, finesse shadzs, leachzs, hula stickzs, etc. I personally prefer elaztech baits because they are softer and more durable, it get pretty expensive fishing cut down senkos, but I do sometimes throw a slightly cut down finesse trick worm on it sometimes. No where have I said that you have to fish elaztech baits, they are just my recommendation.
The only thing that bugs me is that the definition of the word " Ned rig" is being lost and confused. While it used to have a generally accepted meaning, it no longer does. When words lose their definition, we lose our ability to communicate affectively. Now days, when someone mentions that they were slaying them on the "Ned rig", I have to ask whether it was actually just a shaky head (according to your definitions, what's the difference between a shaky head and a Ned rig anyways?) or if it was actually a small plastic under four inches on a small jig head, that isn't so heavy that it mist be fished on a tight line. I could not care less if you do fish an entire senko on a 1/5 ounce jig head, but don't call it something that it isn't.
The other thing is that many new comers don't realize that when they buy a pack of 1/4 ounce power shroomzs and put a trd on it, they aren't really using a ned rig and are actually fishing an entirely different bait. Then they dismiss the rig, or come back here and ask why they aren't seeing the catch rates expected.
BTW, I don't know where you live, but I can garruntee that the fishing isn't any worse than it is in Indiana or Kansas
The non elaztech was based on OCDocks comment.
I switch between 1/2 Zinkerz, TRDs (Have a sweet light orange one that used to be bubblegum that before the flooding fish were jumping on), and 1/2 Anglers Choice Wart Hawgs that is a heavily salted skinny stick bait. No Senkos for me too expensive.
The difference for me on lakes is I fish a lot of vertical cover vs open water which is why I need the heavier weight a lot of the time.
I know a lot of guys are bothered by how the NED is morphing into a small bait on any size jighead which is why I don't want to call what I fish that even if it is one, it is easier that way. I know that the heavier jig with a bigger hook isn't a Ned rig, it is something else, jig worm shakey head? When I fish it on on a 1/16 fireball head it is a Ned. Total aside, really bummed that gopher tackle appears to be no more, my supply is dwindling.
fishwizzard reply :
On 7/25/2017 at 8:18 AM, IndianaFinesse said:When words lose their definition, we lose our ability to communicate effectively.
This is why I can't blind order a club sandwich without asking questions, people got some weird ideas about what one is these days.
I am am bit Ned Rig/MWF believer. But I think it is more the retrieved then the exact lure. So long as the lure is more or less the same (very light jighead, small, buoyant plastic). I think if you are going with an open hook jighead the smaller the better, but I fish this little kit of tackle;
Using the MWF retrieves and do pretty well when the fish want a slightly larger lure or I want to fish faster current.
OCdockskipper reply :
On 7/25/2017 at 7:46 AM, cgolf said:...Please reread my post...
I know tongue in cheek humor doesn't come across well when written, so please know my post to you was done with a smirk on my face.
Like IndianaFinesse, I see too often people doing their version of something and then claiming to have followed directions. There is an old story about two strangers who end up playing 18 holes of golf together. The first guy takes a few mulligans, moves his ball a little on the fairway if needed and calls any putt under 2 feet a gimme. Nothing major, just a couple of ways to improve his enjoyment for a day out on the links. At the end of the day, the first guy looks at his score and comments "Heck, that was my best round of golf ever". The second guy thinks it over for a moment and then responds "I am not sure what game you were playing out there, but it definitely wasn't golf".
One of the few smart things I ever have done in my years of fishing came a few years back when I heard about this Ned rig thing from a friend. As I read about it, I initially dismissed it (sometimes confusing it with the Neko rig) until I remembered the Charlie Brewer & his Slider system. Sometimes something simple & subtle has some merit. So in a fit of common sense, I followed the directions being given by Ned Kehde as well as comments by TeamNine9 & Bluebasser. I'll be the first to admit it is not a magic lure or technique, but once learned, it is lethal. It has been the best producer on my small California home lake, on a couple of farm ponds in Georgia, on the Guadalupe river outside of Austin and in the clear, deep waters of Lake Powell, not only for numbers but largest fish.
But in the words of Bluebasser from a few years back "Nothing to see here folks, just move along..."
cgolf reply :
That Orange TRD should have a legit NED head on it. That color started out as bubblegum, but turned orange after sitting in a box with green pump Orange Zinker. It worked so well I may never try the bubblegum color lol. And as you can see I have a mix of true Ned heads, a heavier jig and what I call a sled rig, slider plus small plastic.
fishwizzard reply :
cgolf, that is an interesting collection of colors, I never hear much about guys using the white plastics with the Ned. I have a pack of pearl Hula Sticks I was going to try and use for schoolie striped bass and pickerel but I haven't gotten to it yet.
cgolf reply :
On 7/25/2017 at 11:33 PM, Bunnielab said:cgolf, that is an interesting collection of colors, I never hear much about guys using the white plastics with the Ned. I have a pack of pearl Hula Sticks I was going to try and use for schoolie striped bass and pickerel but I haven't gotten to it yet.
I have done really well with it fishing on my local river system, visibility is pretty poor. Probably my number one color for smallies and big Brown Trout (when they move shallow in the fall and share the water with the smallies).
gardnerjigman reply :
On 7/24/2017 at 10:32 AM, WRB said:I am not knocking the Ned rig, what I am saying catching 10 keeper bass a day at Casitas or Castiac on any lure is an good day. Aaron Martens can't do that consistantly and is one of the best finesse bass anglers on the planet. Ned rig isn't a panacea, it's another good finesse presentation.
we fish over 20' deep during the summer, try that in 15 mph wind with a 1/16 oz Ned jig.
Tom
I watched @Bluebasser86 do it last Friday in 30-40' of water in 20-25 mph winds with a 1/16th oz head and TRD. Kansas has taught us that what most people call a stiff wind, is a slight breeze to us.
I'm not saying this to mock you, I'm just saying it can be and is done. You didn't need to validate your point anymore after you said you fish for big fish 90% of the time and finesse fish the other 10%. No need to invest in other techniques/products at that rate at all.
On 7/24/2017 at 10:14 PM, WRB said:1/5 oz (.200) is slightly lighter than 1/4 oz (.250) or slightly heavier than 3/16 oz (.187).
I consider all the above weight as normal, not light weight until you get less than 1/8 oz (.125). I use a 3/16 oz weight as my go to worm weights with bait casting tackle.
I recall an event a few years ago where at 3 of the anglers during a very tough bite dock fishing in a marina using the Ned rig, the event was won by a angler fishing those same docks using big flutter spoon!
Tom
The general was putting in work!
WRB reply :
20-25 mph sustained wind equals about 2'-3' white caps in the land OZ or anywhere that has large one water areas. I fish 30'-40' deep a lot but not with a 1/16 oz jig even on 4# FC you can't feel it in a breeze. Glad you and Bluebasser can that, beyond my skills.
Tom
MickD reply :
On 7/20/2017 at 9:35 PM, everythingthatswims said:I catch wayyy more fish per bait with the TRDs, the zinkerz cut in half seem to come off the jighead very easily. TRDs will float right out of the package but with a zinker it takes time.
Which indicates that the zinkerz's are not really elaztech?, most likely not as buoyant? Or are they some other grub/stick cut in half? These things are really not that expensive, last for many fish, the original jigs are made the way they are to take advantage of the buoyancy of the grub. I doubt if anyone is saving a significant amount of money or catching any more fish than if they just fished the original system.
When they scrunch up, just pull them straight. If they get really old and gap at the jighead, just a drop of superglue will fix it.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 7/27/2017 at 6:10 AM, MickD said:
Which indicates that the zinkerz's are not really elaztech?, most likely not as buoyant? Or are they some other grub/stick cut in half? These things are really not that expensive, last for many fish, the original jigs are made the way they are to take advantage of the buoyancy of the grub. I doubt if anyone is saving a significant amount of money or catching any more fish than if they just fished the original system.
When they scrunch up, just pull them straight. If they get really old and gap at the jighead, just a drop of superglue will fix it.
Zinkerzs are still made out of elaztech, but have a much higher salt content than the TRD. Which means that once the salt has soaked out of the zinkerz, it is full of tiny holes that make it softer and more boyant than the TRD. I always glue my zinkerzs and zeroes onto the jighead, and they last almost forever. I've only had one half of a zinkerz get to torn up to use, and that was after it had caught over 100 bass. I always break them off first.
cgolf reply :
On 7/27/2017 at 8:19 AM, IndianaFinesse said:Zinkerzs are still made out of elaztech, but have a much higher salt content than the TRD. Which means that once the salt has soaked out of the zinkerz, it is full of tiny holes that make it softer and more boyant than the TRD. I always glue my zinkerzs and zeroes onto the jighead, and they last almost forever. I've only had one half of a zinkerz get to torn up to use, and that was after it had caught over 100 bass. I always break them off first.
Do you have durability issues with the TRD? The Orange one on the previous page only has 6 non toothy fish on it and it is starting to tear. I have noticed this with the other TRDs I have used, along with them having less wiggle. A Zinkerz on the other hand has been indestructible for me and has twice the action. I do sometimes soak and stretch the Zinkerz before fishing them to get the salt out, but not all the time.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 7/27/2017 at 9:29 AM, cgolf said:
Do you have durability issues with the TRD? The Orange one on the previous page only has 6 non toothy fish on it and it is starting to tear. I have noticed this with the other TRDs I have used, along with them having less wiggle. A Zinkerz on the other hand has been indestructible for me and has twice the action. I do sometimes soak and stretch the Zinkerz before fishing them to get the salt out, but not all the time.
No, I haven't had any durability issues with the TRD, but I don't use them anymore either. But back when I did use the TRD, I never had a bait get to torn up to use. I would simply rotate the hook around in an entire circle on one end, then once the one side got to torn up to use I flip the bait around and do the same thing to the other end.
cgolf reply :
@IndianaFinesse @Bluebasser86 I just stumbled on this now that Instagram is working again. You guys wonder why everyone is so confused what is a Ned Rig, like a Ned rig, not a Ned, etc. Zman posted this which is just going to confuse more people lol.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 7/27/2017 at 10:41 AM, cgolf said:@IndianaFinesse @Bluebasser86 I just stumbled on this now that Instagram is working again. You guys wonder why everyone is so confused what is a Ned Rig, like a Ned rig, not a Ned, etc. Zman posted this which is just going to confuse more people lol.
I would still consider a 4" finesse wormz a Ned rig, unless he used a big 1/8 ounce jig on it or something.
cgolf reply :
On 7/27/2017 at 11:00 AM, IndianaFinesse said:I would still consider a 4" finesse wormz a Ned rig, unless he used a big 1/8 ounce jig on it or something.
Ok now I am confused too lol. I had thought that was too big. Somewhere on here Team9nine had posted some jig weight/hook size rules along with the plastic size and I thought 4" was too big. I know that list was handy when I bought my jigs, wish he would repost it.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 7/27/2017 at 11:08 AM, cgolf said:
Ok now I am confused too lol. I had thought that was too big. Somewhere on here Team9nine had posted some jig weight/hook size rules along with the plastic size and I thought 4" was too big. I know that list was handy when I bought my jigs, wish he would repost it.
Sorry about the confusion, it isn't meant to be. Here it is, in essence.
Soft plastics 4" and under, on a mushroom jighead weighing no more than 3/32 (usually 1/16 is the most used, followed by 1/32 and 3/32) ounce with either a #6, #4, or #2 hook. Some would add a #1 hook, but I don't like them that big. The most versatile and popular with the mwf crowd is the 1/16 ounce head with a #4 or #2 hook, with half of a zinkerz or a TRD.
i happen too know team9nine spends a lot of time (especially in the summer) throwing a zoom finesse trick worm on a little mushroom head.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 7/27/2017 at 6:01 AM, WRB said:20-25 mph sustained wind equals about 2'-3' white caps in the land OZ or anywhere that has large one water areas. I fish 30'-40' deep a lot but not with a 1/16 oz jig even on 4# FC you can't feel it in a breeze. Glad you and Bluebasser can that, beyond my skills.
Tom
That's the part that a lot of guys get hung up on, feeling the bait. It's a no feel presentation, so heavy winds aren't an issue because I rarely feel my bait anyways. It takes time and concentration to detect a bite in those conditions, especially when the trolling motor is popping out of the water and the boat is bucking like it was. The fish I was catching, I was fishing the standard 10lb braid (bright pink KastKing for visibility), to an 8lb Seaguar leader. The deep water bites were all detected when my line stopped sinking well before it should have. Shallow bites I often detect when the bow in the line begins to tighten.
It's a regional skill set, not really a matter of being better than another angler. I'm terrible at drop-shotting, and deep cranking, because I don't do it often enough to polish those skills. I have no doubt that if someone went with me enough times, they'd soon be able to detect those no feel bites with a tiny bait in heavy winds.
Subaqua Adinterim reply :
On 7/27/2017 at 6:10 AM, MickD said:When they scrunch up, just pull them straight.
Easier said than done if the bait keeper wire piece on the hook shank is in place and sticking up. The elaztech plastic wraps around this and is very hard to undo. I just squeezed the bait keeper wire down flat with my needle nose pliers so it's just a small bump on the hook shaft. I did this yesterday and it worked beautifully; keeps the plastic in place really well and easier to straighten out after catching a fish.
On 7/27/2017 at 8:19 AM, IndianaFinesse said:I always glue my zinkerzs and zeroes onto the jighead, and they last almost forever.
I am learning here, so please help me out with more information. The zinkers and zeros come in 5" size. If you cut them in half that's 2.5" vs. 2.75" for the TRD - does it make a difference? Also, what other plastic options, if any, would you suggest?
On 7/27/2017 at 1:22 PM, Bluebasser86 said:That's the part that a lot of guys get hung up on, feeling the bait. It's a no feel presentation, so heavy winds aren't an issue because I rarely feel my bait anyways.
Yes, this is something I'm learning. Yesterday, I fished in over 20' of water, casting out and drifting because it was windy; didn't feel any of the fish hit, felt the resistance and pull when I started reeling in the slack or just reeling up. When in deep water, there is no doubt that resistance you feel is a fish, since at that depth there is nothing to get hung up on with this set up. Had a great day yesterday using this technique, caught 10 LMB and one huge small mouth. The fish are suspended in deeper water here in upstate NY now, so this technique helps me catch more fish out of my kayak without electronics.
Thanks so much for all the information, it has really helped me become more successful and enjoy fishing more.
cgolf reply :
On 7/27/2017 at 8:07 PM, RichPenNY said:I am learning here, so please help me out with more information. The zinkers and zeros come in 5" size. If you cut them in half that's 2.5" vs. 2.75" for the TRD - does it make a difference? Also, what other plastic options, if any, would you suggest?
I personally will also use a Anglers Choice 5" Wart Hawg cut in half like a Zinkerz. It is a skinnier and heavily salted stick bait, pretty durable for non elaztech bait. It gives a different profile when I retrieve it, and not being buoyant it also will give off a different look than the Zinkerz. I seem to do better on the river with the Zinkerz and the Wart Hawg on lakes. Could be that the Zinkerz replicates a craw better, dominate river food, with the tail high presentation and the Wart Hawg represents a baitfish, dominate lake food, better.
Team9nine reply :
On 7/27/2017 at 11:08 AM, cgolf said:
Ok now I am confused too lol. I had thought that was too big. Somewhere on here Team9nine had posted some jig weight/hook size rules along with the plastic size and I thought 4" was too big. I know that list was handy when I bought my jigs, wish he would repost it.
On 7/27/2017 at 11:13 AM, IndianaFinesse said:Sorry about the confusion, it isn't meant to be. Here it is, in essence.
Soft plastics 4" and under, on a mushroom jighead weighing no more than 3/32 (usually 1/16 is the most used, followed by 1/32 and 3/32) ounce with either a #6, #4, or #2 hook. Some would add a #1 hook, but I don't like them that big. The most versatile and popular with the mwf crowd is the 1/16 ounce head with a #4 or #2 hook, with half of a zinkerz or a TRD.
i happen too know team9nine spends a lot of time (especially in the summer) throwing a zoom finesse trick worm on a little mushroom head.
@IndianaFinesse summed it up. Ned likes to bite off a short piece of many of his plastics, but 4" is usually considered the limit. The more unfortunate part that started all the confusion was the coining of the term "Ned rig," which Ned was opposed to, at least initially. The actual term first defined by Ned was "Midwest Finesse," which was a more generalized system of fishing involving a lightweight mushroom head jig, and a variety of small soft plastics, all designed to be fished shallow, and largely away from heavy cover, in our flatland reservoirs. It is an offshoot of jig-worming adapted to the waters of the Midwest and Heartland.
On 7/27/2017 at 8:07 PM, RichPenNY said:Easier said than done if the bait keeper wire piece on the hook shank is in place and sticking up. The elaztech plastic wraps around this and is very hard to undo. I just squeezed the bait keeper wire down flat with my needle nose pliers so it's just a small bump on the hook shaft. I did this yesterday and it worked beautifully; keeps the plastic in place really well and easier to straighten out after catching a fish.
I am learning here, so please help me out with more information. The zinkers and zeros come in 5" size. If you cut them in half that's 2.5" vs. 2.75" for the TRD - does it make a difference? Also, what other plastic options, if any, would you suggest?
Yes, this is something I'm learning. Yesterday, I fished in over 20' of water, casting out and drifting because it was windy; didn't feel any of the fish hit, felt the resistance and pull when I started reeling in the slack or just reeling up. When in deep water, there is no doubt that resistance you feel is a fish, since at that depth there is nothing to get hung up on with this set up. Had a great day yesterday using this technique, caught 10 LMB and one huge small mouth. The fish are suspended in deeper water here in upstate NY now, so this technique helps me catch more fish out of my kayak without electronics.
Thanks so much for all the information, it has really helped me become more successful and enjoy fishing more.
Intetestingly, this bunching is much worse with a TRD than most any other plastic...another reason to use half a ZinkerZ instead -lol.
On the TRD bunching, if you simply pinch the head above the keeper tight and then pull the tail section of the bait good, it will snap back into place easier than trying to unbunch the extra snagged material.
Other plastics - whatever you want to try. A small finesse worm is a must in my book. Beyond that, the ShadZ is a big favorite in some areas. In the spring or in murkier water, a Zoom 4" lizard or a tiny brush hog are little used killers. Don't limit yourself too much - remember, it's a style of fishing more than a specific bait.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 7/27/2017 at 8:07 PM, RichPenNY said:
I am learning here, so please help me out with more information. The zinkers and zeros come in 5" size. If you cut them in half that's 2.5" vs. 2.75" for the TRD - does it make a difference? Also, what other plastic options, if any, would you suggest?
Nope, the fish could care less about the 1/4 inch difference between the TRD and a 2.5" section ofna zinkerz. I also like the 4" finesse wormz and a finesse trick worm, but other popular options are the hula stickz, finesse shadz, trd tubez or modified tubez, and leachz. I pretty much exclusively fish the zinkerzs and finesse worms, i haven't personally found the other baits to work much better (aside from short seasonal windows), but many other people have.
fishwizzard reply :
I used hula stickz a lot and had good luck with them but have moved back to the half zinker for open hook use and the trds for weedless use. The zlinkers need the surface area of the mushroom head to get a good glue bond and are too soft to stay rigged weedless for long. Honestly the zman plastics are not great for weedless rigging so when I need to go that route I am more likely to use the plastics and jigheads I posted earlier.
WRB reply :
Fishing for suspended bass with a 1/16 mushroom head with a 3" TRD vs using a 1/16 dart with a hand poured 3" sluggo or 4" finesse worm using light tackle seems to me the same presentation until the jig is resting on the bottom. Just because the bottom depth is 25-30 feet the suspended bass could be much shallower.
Castiac is a windy lake and over 300' deep, bass often suspend at 30' over very deep water and using finesse darts on light tackle is a common presentation and I am sure anglers today are using the Ned rig because it's popular. I have no problem using 3/32 oz darts but don't have the patients to weight over a minute to let a 1/16 oz jig sink 30' in the wind and tend to target deep suspended bass using a 3/4 oz structure spoon.
Dick Trask was the western bass pioneer fishing deep finesse presentations over 40 ago, Ned is the mid west pioneer doing his thing.
Peace.
Tom
Subaqua Adinterim reply :
On 7/28/2017 at 1:05 AM, WRB said:but don't have the patients to weight over a minute to let a 1/16 oz jig sink 30' in the wind and tend to target deep suspended bass using a 3/4 oz structure spoon
Tom you are correct in that fishing a small jig in deeper water does take patience. I sometimes use two rods when fishing the ned rig. I cast out the ned rig with one and while it is sinking down I cast out a crank bait and reel that in. So far I haven't had any luck on the crank bait; so no doubles. Maybe I will try a spoon or blade bait instead of a crank bait. Thanks for the suggestion.
IndianaFinesse reply :
Speaking of using finesse worms on a "Ned rig", I crushed the bass today on a 4" robo worm on a 1/16 ounce mushroom head. Also caught six or eight on a shaky head, but the little shroom head with the robo worm was the deal. Caught 32 bass in just under four hours, and just had a blast. Lately I've been trying to stay away from fishing the Ned rig, so I can learn other techniques (and the grass has been really bad), but it was such a slow day (at first) that I broke out the Ned rig and treated myself to some fast action. Now I'm gonna have to force myself to put it back down lol.
fishwizzard reply :
On 7/28/2017 at 10:30 AM, IndianaFinesse said:Speaking of using finesse worms on a "Ned rig", I crushed the bass today on a 4" robo worm on a 1/16 ounce mushroom head. Also caught six or eight on a shaky head, but the little shroom head with the robo worm was the deal. Caught 32 bass in just under four hours, and just had a blast. Lately I've been trying to stay away from fishing the Ned rig, so I can learn other techniques (and the grass has been really bad), but it was such a slow day (at first) that I broke out the Ned rig and treated myself to some fast action. Now I'm gonna have to force myself to put it back down lol.
Try the Robos on the smallest Owner Ultra heads. They are so soft and thin that you give up little in the way of hooksets but gain weedless-ness and imho a better gliding swim due to the angle of the line tie.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 7/29/2017 at 1:56 AM, Bunnielab said:
Try the Robos on the smallest Owner Ultra heads. They are so soft and thin that you give up little in the way of hooksets but gain weedless-ness and imho a better gliding swim due to the angle of the line tie.
The Pro Spider Slider head would probably give you even more glide. I like to use them with small, thin worms and craws to get a good gliding action, and you can get them in very small sizes.
fishwizzard reply :
On 7/29/2017 at 8:35 PM, Bluebasser86 said:The Pro Spider Slider head would probably give you even more glide. I like to use them with small, thin worms and craws to get a good gliding action, and you can get them in very small sizes.
Yea, I just started using them this spring and have really gotten into them so far, they are really versatile and the Pro ones have a great hook, even with two small pliers it takes a bit to get them to bend. I think for elaztech plastics I prefer to have the hook lying parallel to the worm as the are so stretchy that I feel like it's hard to get the hook to consistently punch through with light rod and line. As I move away from elaztech worms I think I am going to shift to jigheads with a more perpendicular hook angle.
BrackishBassin reply :
On 7/28/2017 at 10:30 AM, IndianaFinesse said:Speaking of using finesse worms on a "Ned rig", I crushed the bass today on a 4" robo worm on a 1/16 ounce mushroom head. Also caught six or eight on a shaky head, but the little shroom head with the robo worm was the deal. Caught 32 bass in just under four hours, and just had a blast. Lately I've been trying to stay away from fishing the Ned rig, so I can learn other techniques (and the grass has been really bad), but it was such a slow day (at first) that I broke out the Ned rig and treated myself to some fast action. Now I'm gonna have to force myself to put it back down lol.
Reading through these posts, I was all excited to try out a Ned Rig and then I read the words "grass has been really bad". Everywhere I fish is nothing but grass. Should I take back the shroom heads I bought and save myself some frustration?
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 7/30/2017 at 3:57 AM, BrackishBassin said:
Reading through these posts, I was all excited to try out a Ned Rig and then I read the words "grass has been really bad". Everywhere I fish is nothing but grass. Should I take back the shroom heads I bought and save myself some frustration?
I would still try them, but you won't be able to throw them into thick grass. Fish them on the edge of the grass, and in more open areas. They can be fished over some sparse grass, especially if you swim them the way I do. That's where the light heads come in. It's also good in the winter/late fall when the grass dies back if you have to wait.
BrackishBassin reply :
On 7/30/2017 at 4:56 AM, IndianaFinesse said:I would still try them, but you won't be able to throw them into thick grass. Fish them on the edge of the grass, and in more open areas. They can be fished over some sparse grass, especially if you swim them the way I do. That's where the light heads come in. It's also good in the winter/late fall when the grass dies back if you have to wait.
Wish I had a GoPro to take an underwater picture to show you. The whole bottom is thick hydrilla as far as the eye can see. Don't know about the deeper part, towards the outlet. I tend to stick to the shallows. Have to fish a jig there and see what it pulls up.
1/10 of an ounce too heavy?
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 7/30/2017 at 6:24 AM, BrackishBassin said:
Wish I had a GoPro to take an underwater picture to show you. The whole bottom is thick hydrilla as far as the eye can see. Don't know about the deeper part, towards the outlet. I tend to stick to the shallows. Have to fish a jig there and see what it pulls up.
1/10 of an ounce too heavy?
If you were to buy more heads, I would recommend the 1/20 and 1/15 ounce sizes, but for now 1/10 would probably work OK. If there is solid hydrilla, you're definitely going to have to swim it, and lighter heads make it easier to keep it up.
BrackishBassin reply :
On 7/30/2017 at 7:35 AM, IndianaFinesse said:If you were to buy more heads, I would recommend the 1/20 and 1/15 ounce sizes, but for now 1/10 would probably work OK. If there is solid hydrilla, you're definitely going to have to swim it, and lighter heads make it easier to keep it up.
Thanks! Appreciate the information!
fishwizzard reply :
On 7/30/2017 at 3:57 AM, BrackishBassin said:
Reading through these posts, I was all excited to try out a Ned Rig and then I read the words "grass has been really bad". Everywhere I fish is nothing but grass. Should I take back the shroom heads I bought and save myself some frustration?
If you do an creek/river fishing around here the heavier heads work well for that when the current is fast.
BrackishBassin reply :
On 7/31/2017 at 12:09 AM, Bunnielab said:
If you do an creek/river fishing around here the heavier heads work well for that when the current is fast.
Just ponds and a lake near me. Maybe someday I'll have the opportunity to hit up a river or creek for some smallies, but for now, I'm stuck with the bucket mouthes.
ChrisD46 reply :
How long has Zman been out with the 1/20th oz. shroomZ head ? ... Might be worth trying in calm conditions with a "no feel" retrieve .
BassinFLNY reply :
Sorry for no sooner update. I have been using them a lot lately and have been enjoying them a lot. I caught 6 fish within 30 minutes yesterday and lost a really nice one. Also caught this one on it last week.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 7/31/2017 at 6:54 PM, ChrisD46 said:How long has Zman been out with the 1/20th oz. shroomZ head ? ... Might be worth trying in calm conditions with a "no feel" retrieve .
Pretty much since they were first put on the market, I believe. I used the 1/20 ounce heads a lot before I started pouring my own.
BassinFLNY reply :
One more question, I just lost about an 8 pounder from throwing the hook when it jumps, this also happens a lot with smaller ones. Any tips?
NYWayfarer reply :
On 7/27/2017 at 8:07 PM, RichPenNY said:Yes, this is something I'm learning. Yesterday, I fished in over 20' of water, casting out and drifting because it was windy; didn't feel any of the fish hit, felt the resistance and pull when I started reeling in the slack or just reeling up. When in deep water, there is no doubt that resistance you feel is a fish, since at that depth there is nothing to get hung up on with this set up. Had a great day yesterday using this technique, caught 10 LMB and one huge small mouth. The fish are suspended in deeper water here in upstate NY now, so this technique helps me catch more fish out of my kayak without electronics.
Thanks so much for all the information, it has really helped me become more successful and enjoy fishing more.
I agree, this is a great technique for kayak fishing without electronics.
It worked for me this weekend especially on Sunday. Wind was blowing me all over the place. I forgot my anchor and Vexilar T-pod sonarphone at home. I was drift fishing and bottom bouncing a ned rig. I felt no fish hit but felt resistance once I reeled in the slack line.
On 8/22/2017 at 6:53 PM, BassinFLNY said:One more question, I just lost about an 8 pounder from throwing the hook when it jumps, this also happens a lot with smaller ones. Any tips?
Try and keep them from jumping. When they feel like they are going to surface, lower your rod tip. It works most of the time.
fishwizzard reply :
On the topic of Ned Rig jigheads, I picked up a pack of the new Zman heads the other day, the ones with the ribbed keeper.
I am really impressed so far. The keeper lets me thread a half-zinker on with no extra fuss and it seems to hold it very well. I have yet to fish them but I was able to take the plastic off and put it back on a half dozen times and it seemed to be just as tight as when I started. The hooks are still too big and heavy for my taste, but the keep seems like a winner so far.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 7/29/2017 at 1:56 AM, Bunnielab said:
Try the Robos on the smallest Owner Ultra heads. They are so soft and thin that you give up little in the way of hooksets but gain weedless-ness and imho a better gliding swim due to the angle of the line tie.
I finally broke down and bought a shaky head mold, after getting tired of paying 1$+ a pop and not being able to buy the hook/weight combo that I wanted. I could never find a small enough, quality hook in a 1/8 ounce head before. I tried a 1/16 ounce shaky head with a 2/0 owner hook with a zoom finesse trick worm, kind of like what you're doing, and it worked pretty well swimming around shallow dead grass patches. I still prefer a ned, bit I can definitely see where the weedless rigging could come in handy.
fishwizzard reply :
I find weedless is best when I am trying to fish faster current over a rocky bottom where I can't keep an open hook head from rolling and for the trick of casting to the far bank and then hoping the plastic into the water. I also like them when I am "hiking" and just stopping every so often to make a few quick casts, then it's just to annoy my hiking partners less by making him wait while I re-tie.
On 8/22/2017 at 10:52 PM, Bunnielab said:
So I spent about 45min fishing one of these heads today. I used the same half-zinker I took on an off a few times last night. Even after the lure softened up, the keeper held tight. Sadly, I didn't manage to catch anything on it, but if you want a big, heavy hook, these heads seem worth trying.
Mobasser reply :
I've had the best luck with 1/20 oz heads
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