We all have heard or used giant swimbaits in the past, and i'm talking 8-12 inches. But do the same "craved patterns" that work for #Butch Brown and anglers in western lakes, also work for eastern states? The most craved swimbait is probably the Hud-Swimbait, in trout colors.If you need to ask why your way behind the game.
My problem with this is, eastern states don't have trout- but will a bass still find this appetizing? Their is always the option for spending $$$$ for DEPS swimbaits in a variety of common fish patterns found throughout the country. But those baits are out of the option for the common man.
What do you think for color pattern throughout the nation specifically eastern states? Does it matter? And most importantly, do they catch fish?
#ButchBrown#HuddlestonTroutSwimbait
Giant baits indeed. lol.
Expand your horizons.
Don't they use live shiners for bass down in FL?
On 5/21/2015 at 10:29 AM, deep said:Giant baits indeed. lol.
Expand your horizons.
Don't they use live shiners for bass down in FL?
LOL- BIG SHINERS- & I mean BIG...
Huddlestons come in different sizes and colors. You should be able to find something to match your forage. Lots of baits out there that don't imitate trout. Some say that it doesn't matter if you use trout baits in non-trout waters. While I prefer to match the hatch, I have caught bass in shad lakes on trout baits, and bass in trout lakes with no shad on shad baits.
On 5/21/2015 at 10:42 AM, FloridaBasser1 said:LOL- BIG SHINERS- & I mean BIG...
Maybe you need a #Whinkle shad then since you're looking for the most-craved bait.
In all seriousness; learn about giant bass and their forage, and then match the size and color. Real Prey makes a soft shiner bait. Joe is a great guy. Give him a call.
So many good options that are not expensive, the soft baits have the best overall action, the soft magic swimmers are great, Savage soft baits, and I like the Large Yum Money Minnows as well....For hardbaits, Spro BBZ, Egret kick a mullet is perfect imitation of shiners in ponds and works great as a wake bait or glide bait, it doesn't move all that far when you pull it, but it just catches fish better than most, plus it looks awesome in the water with color. Great hooks, can throw on Braid and not worry about bending anything even if an alligator grabs it.
I'd certainly consider myself a "common man", and I own several Deps swimbaits, along with Hudds.
Do a search on Southern Trout Eaters. Bass don't read books. They don't know what they're supposed to eat, or what fish live in the lake they live in. All they know is "Hey, I could eat that fish over there". How many bright chartreuse baitfish are out there? None in the lakes I fish but going out without a chartreuse spinnerbait (also a very realistic fish imitator), wouldn't be very smart.
OP, you're in an area with potential to produce huge fish. I would 100% be fishing them down there. I know this to be a fact as I'm currently fishing them in Kansas, which everyone knows is a big bass factory If you're not sure about going straight to the monster baits, get a 68 Hudd, 175 Slide Swimmer, 168 S Waver, or the Real Prey 7" Shiner. You'll catch quantity as well as quality.
Swimbaits will catch them anywhere. I've seen two pounders engulf 8" swimbaits.
I'd kinda be interested to see what giant swimbaits would do on Rodman. Mainly guys use big ol' shad for fishing for monsters down their
Where can I see these "swimbaits" you speak of?
Man, don't buy into the "only Cali bass eat big baits." If you snoop around enough and pay attention, you'll see guys that have adopted the big bait mantra and have been at least partly successful with it.
Bass are opportunistic feeders, unlike a shark so to speak. A bass eats whenever it has the opportunity, meaning anything that comes by a bass and is easily catchable, and can be partially fit into its mouth it will try and eat it.On 5/21/2015 at 9:56 PM, SPEEDBEAD. said:Where can I see these "swimbaits" you speak of?
Man, don't buy into the "only Cali bass eat big baits." If you snoop around enough and pay attention, you'll see guys that have adopted the big bait mantra and have been at least partly successful with it.
On 5/21/2015 at 10:22 PM, jakob1010 said:Bass are opportunistic feeders, unlike a shark so to speak. A bass eats whenever it has the opportunity, meaning anything that comes by a bass and is easily catchable, and can be partially fit into its mouth it will try and eat it.
I don't know **** about sharks, but what (first-hand, hopefully) experiences makes you think you can put anything in front of a bass, and it'll eat it?
This swimbait stuff is just too much to handle....
Give me Roboworms and some of those new fangled mushroom thingerz and I'm happy.
On 5/21/2015 at 11:10 PM, SPEEDBEAD. said:This swimbait stuff is just too much to handle....
Give me Roboworms and some of those new fangled mushroom thingerz and I'm happy.
We all know you hate swimbaits speed...
Florida strain LMB are wired to eat big prey fish like golden shiners. Northern strain LMB prefer smaller bait fish but will sometimes eat large baitfish. Bass are like other animals that can't determine their size compared to the size of what they may consider prey, they make mistakes some of the time. It's like a small dog attacking a big dog, the small dog doesn't know it's own size.
In Calfornia planted rainbow filled a niche for FLMB, long thin shape and high protein prey. It's not that a big NLMB wouldn't eat a planted trout, they aren't wired genetically to hunt trout like a FLMB does.
Having lived in SoCal all my life where' trout plants are common long before FLMB were introduced here, the NLMB didn't target the trout like FLMB do.
Back to the question about big swimbaits; 11" to 16" swimbaits weighing in excess of 5 oz. I believe your odds are reduced using swimbaits that size where NLMB are the bass.Swimbaits in the 6" to 10" sizes weighing up to 4 oz should be a better choice for NLMB.
The most universal color for swimbaits isn't rainbow trout! Rainbow is a very common color, baby bass would be a better choice where rainbow don't exist.
My advice is to buy good quality swimbaits with a good tract record of catching big bass. If you plan to get into swimbaits invest in a swimbait rod and reel.
Tom
Good info ^^^ . But be prepared to get skunked many days! This factor is what keeps me out of this game. Hard to know what you are doing, right or wrong, if nothing bites.
On 5/21/2015 at 10:24 AM, FloridaBasser1 said:We all have heard or used giant swimbaits in the past, and i'm talking 8-12 inches. But do the same "craved patterns" that work for #Butch Brown and anglers in western lakes, also work for eastern states? The most craved swimbait is probably the Hud-Swimbait, in trout colors.If you need to ask why your way behind the game.
My problem with this is, eastern states don't have trout- but will a bass still find this appetizing? Their is always the option for spending $$$$ for DEPS swimbaits in a variety of common fish patterns found throughout the country. But those baits are out of the option for the common man.
What do you think for color pattern throughout the nation specifically eastern states? Does it matter? And most importantly, do they catch fish?
butch-brown-swimbait-bass.jpg #ButchBrown#HuddlestonTroutSwimbait
99% of Mexico doesn´t have trout and guess what ? oh yes, "trout" swim baits do work down here.
On 5/21/2015 at 10:24 AM, FloridaBasser1 said:eastern states don't have trout
Eastern states have plenty of trout. Not all lakes have them, but most do.
On 5/21/2015 at 2:27 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I'd certainly consider myself a "common man", and I own several Deps swimbaits, along with Hudds.
Do a search on Southern Trout Eaters. Bass don't read books. They don't know what they're supposed to eat, or what fish live in the lake they live in. All they know is "Hey, I could eat that fish over there". How many bright chartreuse baitfish are out there? None in the lakes I fish but going out without a chartreuse spinnerbait (also a very realistic fish imitator), wouldn't be very smart.
OP, you're in an area with potential to produce huge fish. I would 100% be fishing them down there. I know this to be a fact as I'm currently fishing them in Kansas, which everyone knows is a big bass factory If you're not sure about going straight to the monster baits, get a 68 Hudd, 175 Slide Swimmer, 168 S Waver, or the Real Prey 7" Shiner. You'll catch quantity as well as quality.
Thanks for the info, i really like the Real Prey Shiner and the Hud 68+ the grass minnow i think its called look appealing from my perspective and have been known to catch big bass. But now is the time to throw the #swimmers since the bass are guarding their Fry/ hatchlings and are are super aggressive towards Bream/Shiners/big Shad.
Being in florida what lakes are you preferring large swimbaits to use on. Ill tell you if its okeechobee there not gonna work as well as youd like to think for big ones.
On 5/21/2015 at 10:42 AM, FloridaBasser1 said:LOL- BIG SHINERS- & I mean BIG...
DUDE. That looks so much like one of Speed's swimbaits that he posted a pic of in the Tackle Purchase Thread:
On 5/22/2015 at 4:07 AM, Senko lover said:DUDE. That looks so much like one of Speed's swimbaits that he posted a pic of in the Tackle Purchase Thread:
Doh!!! No you ruined that secret that speed hates swimbaits!!!!
Speed... your secret is out buddy lol. Might as well keep posting pictures of them fat girls!
On 5/21/2015 at 11:10 PM, SPEEDBEAD. said:This swimbait stuff is just too much to handle....
Give me Roboworms and some of those new fangled mushroom thingerz and I'm happy.
Wayne, your posts always provide me with a good chuckle. You gotta try the Zman TRD on those mushroom thingerz though. It's money!
I kind of just like to collect swimbaits, I don't have the patience to throw them all day long, but I do throw them when I know big fish are in the area and I just wish I had the confidence to throw a huge bait all day long but I don't...I feel a 7" Jointed Red Fin or F-18 Rapala Minnow will get me more fish since they are thinner and lures I understand, but most people look at me like I am nuts when I pull up to a small public park with a Jointed Red Fin or Super Spook, but a big bass is not wasting energy on a small bait most of the time and I would agree that a bass colored swimbait makes the most sense or a smokey Joe color if you have gizzard shad or threadfin.
For the money, you can't beat the #Storm Live Kickin Shad -
On 5/22/2015 at 12:51 AM, Fisher-O-men said:Good info ^^^ . But be prepared to get skunked many days! This factor is what keeps me out of this game. Hard to know what you are doing, right or wrong, if nothing bites.
This is not entirely true and a common misconception. When I first started fishing big swimbaits it took me about 2 months to get my 1st fish that's a total of probably 45 hours on the water. After that it all started clicking and now rarely do I go a trip without at least one fish on a swimbait. Another misconception is that small fish won't hit big swimbaits.. Its all about presentation.
On 5/22/2015 at 1:48 AM, Weld said:Eastern states have plenty of trout. Not all lakes have them, but most do.
Trout are stocked even in suburban park lakes and streams all over the eastern states.
You can definitely catch bass on trout swimbaits no matter if trout are present or not. Being in Florida I would throw all sort of swimbaits big and small. This big girl inhaled a 4'' River2Sea swimbait . Landing her was a treat on a flimsy 2 piece travel rod.
On 5/22/2015 at 8:19 AM, BassObsessed said:You can definitely catch bass on trout swimbaits no matter if trout are present or not. Being in Florida I would throw all sort of swimbaits big and small. This big girl inhaled a 4'' River2Sea swimbait . Landing her was a treat on a flimsy 2 piece travel rod.
Sweet!
On 5/22/2015 at 6:29 AM, FloridaBasser1 said:For the money, you can't beat the #Storm Live Kickin Shad -
Personally, you're much better off buying one or two quality, proven baits than buying the cheapest baits you can find and hoping one works. I tried the Kickin Shad, never again, and I like most of the Storm swimbaits.
On 5/22/2015 at 1:23 PM, Bluebasser86 said:Personally, you're much better off buying one or two quality, proven baits than buying the cheapest baits you can find and hoping one works. I tried the Kickin Shad, never again, and I like most of the Storm swimbaits.
You definetly get what you pay for when it comes to swimbaits.
From shore I toss bigger baits when no one is around. I have a few light saltwater spinning setups. I even toss the 9" castaic trout lure.
She swims spot on. Looks very real. I do watch for snapping turtles. They have stolen my smaller lures when I wasn't watching. Then blend in on the bottom like a rock. Fool me once you pay. My 8lb Excalibur silver thread line has dragged turtles in the size of my tire on my wrangler. The catfish bite was unbelievable soon after. I released it but he stirred up the bottom.
I guess i agree, The Storms are pretty cheap, and i know for a fact that you always get what you pay for... when it comes to fishing.
I made up my mind on what i'm going to purchase.
Huddleston 68- in Brown Hitch(it kind of looks like a med. size shiner)
Huddleston Weedless shad- in Smoke Silver Pepper
Bull Shad Swimbait
On 5/22/2015 at 8:19 AM, BassObsessed said:You can definitely catch bass on trout swimbaits no matter if trout are present or not. Being in Florida I would throw all sort of swimbaits big and small. This big girl inhaled a 4'' River2Sea swimbait . Landing her was a treat on a flimsy 2 piece travel rod.
Thats a big beautiful fish.. but thats a small swimbait dude.
I had the peacock bass lur jensen prop lures custom painted in bass colors. I also had the great northern pike lures repainted in bass colors too. Even the mister twister super top prop pike / Muskie lures custom painted in blue gill, perch, orange goldfish color, etc again in bass colors. I'm a firm believer big baits=big bass.
I once caught a 13" pickerel on a 12" blackshad culprit worn. Seeing this fired up my theory that any bigger bait could mean success. My PB of 10lbs I could fit maybe four or five of my fists in its mouth. Little young ducks, baby ducks goodbye.
Just my thoughts sorry.
Neat idea, But anyone use them with lighter braid- #20-#30
If your using a heavier rod 20-30# braid will pop on good hooksets. If you can go with heavier mono or flouro. I learned the hard or should i say expensive way.
On 5/24/2015 at 6:30 AM, 1234567 said:If your using a heavier rod 20-30# braid will pop on good hooksets. If you can go with heavier mono or flouro. I learned the hard or should i say expensive way.
Expensive~ no dout! Some of them swimbaits go $200
Some Roman mades make $200 seem cheap!
I thought my castaic 9" rainbow trout lures for $30 was expensive. I found two on sale for $9 each.
On 5/24/2015 at 11:10 AM, bigbill said:I thought my castaic 9" rainbow trout lures for $30 was expensive. I found two on sale for $9 each.
$30 is pocket change in the swimbait world. I haven't broke the $100 mark for a bait yet, but I've been close a couple times.
Any one try Rat swim/wake baits?
I may have missed it and my apologies if i did. What lakes are you planning on fishing? If theres no names what are the depths cover like?
mainly large ponds, 10-20 acres. ranging from 10- 20 feet in the deep parts. I'll be fishing from the bank, and the is plenty of cover in shallow and in deep parts. mostly grass, and snagey cover.
Yes to the rat and wake baits.
If you are going to use braid nothing lighter than 50#, 65-80 is preferable for baits nearing 4oz and above.
I'm in S Alabama and swimbaits in trout patterns work here and there isn't a rainbow trout anywhere close to here. Honestly color is secondary, profile and action should come first.
Which is why i like the Hud 68. They took their 6' bait and put the tail of their 8' bait on it, which is the best of both worlds, little smaller bait but with a great action to its tail. I preferably like the golden shiner color or the shad colors~ but the bass like it all!
On 5/24/2015 at 2:07 PM, Bluebasser86 said:$30 is pocket change in the swimbait world. I haven't broke the $100 mark for a bait yet, but I've been close a couple times.
You haven't gone over $100 yet? Well I know you probably should of by now. Your welcome for that I just dropped $132 on a BNIB OG flash carp 250 lol. I have been cleaning up lately.
On 5/27/2015 at 5:13 PM, hatrix said:You haven't gone over $100 yet? Well I know you probably should of by now. Your welcome for that I just dropped $132 on a BNIB OG flash carp 250 lol. I have been cleaning up lately.
I still haven't popped for a Roman or 250. I want a nude black 250 so bad it's killing me, but then I'd have to buy another rod to fish it with, and if I buy another rod then I'll need to buy more baits to fish on it, you know how it goes. I already have a 400B Calcutta I bought for muskie several years ago though so I already have the reel that only gets used once or twice a year so that would get that more use
On 5/27/2015 at 5:13 PM, hatrix said:You haven't gone over $100 yet? Well I know you probably should of by now. Your welcome for that I just dropped $132 on a BNIB OG flash carp 250 lol. I have been cleaning up lately.
That's impressive actually. LOL
On 5/22/2015 at 12:51 AM, Fisher-O-men said:Good info ^^^ . But be prepared to get skunked many days! This factor is what keeps me out of this game. Hard to know what you are doing, right or wrong, if nothing bites.
I agree... I usually start off getting at least a fish or 2 on reg. set ups then switching to the swimbait.
at least you're not sitting there all day in the beginning feeling frustrated. and I agree color does not matter . I catch fish with rainbow colored swimbaits in ponds that don't have shad or trout.
On 5/27/2015 at 7:02 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I still haven't popped for a Roman or 250. I want a nude black 250 so bad it's killing me, but then I'd have to buy another rod to fish it with, and if I buy another rod then I'll need to buy more baits to fish on it, you know how it goes. I already have a 400B Calcutta I bought for muskie several years ago though so I already have the reel that only gets used once or twice a year so that would get that more use
Well even if you did pick up a BNIB 250 as long as it's the new models it still won't break $100. You might get lucky and find a used OG for under a bill but that's would cut it close. You need to try harder or just buy stuff like everyone else and pay way more I really want to get a negotiator and those alwas break $100. I missed a custom like 2 weeks ago for like $70 I had it but my phone was dead and I couldn't charge it as work till I got off.
On 5/27/2015 at 8:15 PM, SPEEDBEAD. said:That's impressive actually. LOL
I know. It would change your world if you knew.
Know of any more OGs for under $150 floating around?
On 5/21/2015 at 10:24 AM, FloridaBasser1 said:Do the same "craved patterns" that work for #Butch Brown and anglers in western lakes also work for eastern states?
Absolutely!
Regardless of its geographical location, a largemouth bass is a piscivore, and a swimbait mimics a baitfish.
Never forget, the largemouth bass in California are Florida-strain bass that originated here in Florida.
An ole mossback doesn't care if you're a trout, shad, shiner or bluegill; when you move like a baitfish you're "food".
QuoteMy problem with this is, eastern states don't have trout- but will a bass still find this appetizing?
I live in central Florida and have taken a few good fish on the Huddleston trout.
Though I've used 3 different Hud patterns, I've never noticed any favoritism by bass.
In fact, if I had my choice I'd probably throw nothing but a "black" Hud, but they're not available.
Roger
On 5/27/2015 at 11:37 PM, deep said:Know of any more OGs for under $150 floating around?
Probably a few. It's very doubtful they are BNIB and I am not sure the colors. Some might be also be SK or conversions. But they are around.
Roger keep an eye out for the nightstalkers
On 5/28/2015 at 5:20 AM, 1234567 said:Roger keep an eye out for the nightstalkers
Trouble is, in this darn weed-infested state, I'm pretty much limited to the Hud 'weedless' trout.
In any case, thanks for your suggestion.
Roger
The Hud Weedless Shad isn't bad. they work well in weedy areas and their a much more realistic size bait that a bass will more often have the opportunity to eat, not that they don't take the big baits when they come!
On 5/28/2015 at 9:03 AM, RoLo said:Trouble is, in this darn weed-infested state, I'm pretty much limited to the Hud 'weedless' trout.
In any case, thanks for your suggestion.
Roger
Watch the Hud Weedless shad in action!
On 5/28/2015 at 9:07 AM, FloridaBasser1 said:The Hud Weedless Shad isn't bad. they work well in weedy areas and their a much more realistic size bait that a bass will more often have the opportunity to eat, not that they don't take the big baits when they come!
Hmph, I've never fished the weedless shad, but that'll have to change.
I see they're available in a nice array of dark colors. Thanks again FloridaBasser
Roger
On 5/28/2015 at 9:22 AM, RoLo said:Hmph, I've never fished the weedless shad, but that'll have to change.
I see they're available in a nice array of dark colors. Thanks again FloridaBasser
Roger
Yep~ i'd try the Golden Shad Color and the Silver Black~ Since we got big old shiners down here in Flo. those bass should love the Golden Shad color.
Weedless shads actually come in 2 different ROF and they come in a 3 pack I think. Also with the hudds you can try a frog hook off the bottom ring and see how that works. I don't know how bad the weeds are though. Another thing that might help is pegging a bead a foot or better in front of it. That is for sure a great trick for catching slime so it doesn't gather up on the nose.
I actually catch more bass on the hitch color weedless shad than the golden shiner color. Roger is dead on though. Black anything works great.
True, Maybe bass can't see color............
What luck have any of you had on dark color swimmers'
No offense dude, but maybe you could post a few (fish) pics? All this chitchat is getting a little boring.
i agree -i don't have swimmer fish yet- But will soon! come on Saturday!
On 5/28/2015 at 10:40 PM, deep said:No offense dude, but maybe you could post a few (fish) pics? All this chitchat is getting a little boring
caught this pig earlier this month on an 8' rising son
^^^^^SWEET^^^^^ What? An 8-9#er? Nice Bass let me look up that bait!
On 5/29/2015 at 12:42 AM, FloridaBasser1 said:^^^^^SWEET^^^^^ What? An 8-9#er? Nice Bass let me look up that bait!
a hair over 9, and i caught it on my very first outing with the big baits.
good deal! What Color pattern was your bait?
baby bass. it is uncanny in the water. great twisting action as well.
Kind of harder fishing giant wakebaits or trebled lures from shore u lose a lot of real estate with weeds
And ull want 65lb+ braid to minimize chances of losing giant expensive.. I've lost some with 50lb
One of the first weedless swimbaits is the 3:16 Mission Fish, range between $8-$14 and still one of the best big bass lures around for fishing weed/grass type cover. Go online and take a look, more colors avsilble than anyone could ever use.
The Mission Fish has a unique molded in weight line through design, fish it lake a big worm or swim it.
Tom
On 5/29/2015 at 2:31 AM, einscodek said:Kind of harder fishing giant wakebaits or trebled lures from shore u lose a lot of real estate with weeds
And ull want 65lb+ braid to minimize chances of losing giant expensive.. I've lost some with 50lb
Awwww, what you need is a tuna rod with 150# test.
On 5/29/2015 at 8:41 AM, WRB said:One of the first weedless swimbaits is the 3:16 Mission Fish, range between $8-$14 and still one of the best big bass lures around for fishing weed/grass type cover. Go online and take a look, more colors avsilble than anyone could ever use.
The Mission Fish has a unique molded in weight line through design, fish it lake a big worm or swim it.
Tom
Check these weedles puppies out~ the Hud Weedless Shad $8.39- even more realistic! http://www.huddbaits.com/store/weedless-shad
On 5/29/2015 at 2:31 AM, einscodek said:Kind of harder fishing giant wakebaits or trebled lures from shore u lose a lot of real estate with weeds
And ull want 65lb+ braid to minimize chances of losing giant expensive.. I've lost some with 50lb
Check out this bait- you won't have a problem with losing baits and the price is right! http://www.huddbaits.com/store/weedless-shad
Post your SWim fish pics. and what new baits have we not brought to the surface!
Anyone try the Mattlures Hardgill swimbait? They say the floating action is good... what you guys think.
I think you might get a better response to your questions if you ask them seperately in the forum. That's kinda how it is supposed to work.
On 5/30/2015 at 2:05 AM, SPEEDBEAD. said:I think you might get a better response to your questions if you ask them seperately in the forum. That's kinda how it is supposed to work.
Ok thanks. I would have sat here till my beard grows and not get a response.
On 5/30/2015 at 2:49 AM, FloridaBasser1 said:Ok thanks. I would have sat here till my beard grows and not get a response.
Sometimes it is better to listen than to talk. You might learn more that way.
Take a look at the search tool box, there is a gear icon far right side for specific word search, give that a try with your key words like Mattlures hardgill, bluegill swimbait, weedless Huddleston, you will be surprised what is hidden there!
Tom
On 5/30/2015 at 7:17 AM, WRB said:Take a look at the search tool box, there is a gear icon far right side for specific word search, give that a try with your key words like Mattlures hardgill, bluegill swimbait, weedless Huddleston, you will be surprised what is hidden there!
Tom
Thanks!