Just placed a paxil order for the bait monkey on tackle warehouse and noticed that rapala has some sort of count down to a release...
Fishing Changes Forever In
10Days 11hours ....
Anyone got any insight?
Allright I am dign here maybe this is it?
Rapala has an ad on their site that says something about evasive action is coming and it looks like maybe a triggerfish type of swim but doesnt show a lure.
A Rapala branded A-rig with Banjo Minnows on it.
Maybe they'll just completely do away with their customer service department that refuses to do anything about their junk lures, and drop the price $1 per bait.
On 2/12/2013 at 2:51 AM, SudburyBasser said:A Rapala branded A-rig with Banjo Minnows on it.
My cousin absolutely CRUSHED me one time on a creek with smallmouths and a banjo minnow. It was absurd. I was throwing live shiners, he was throwing that and outfishing me easy 10:1
That's why Rapala is going in that direction. Balsa only gets you so far.
I saw that ad as well
Saw the ad. Maybe a new walk the dog style hard bait.
if a new walk the dog is changing fishing forever they might wanna start exploring other avenues unless they figured out a way to just reel and it walks on its own
On 2/12/2013 at 2:53 AM, bigfishbk86 said:Maybe they'll just completely do away with their customer service department that refuses to do anything about their junk lures, and drop the price $1 per bait.
This...lol the worst customer service in the industry..........
The bait they're coming out with is a new style of crankbait. Similar in form to a shad bodied bait, or a shad rap. The difference is the way the bill is formed. It's a cup, or accentuated U shaped bill, if you will. It's hard to describe it exactly. And I don't currently have pictures. What's unique is that the lure readily changes direction and speed. It's a very, very unique design, but it isn't game changing; yet. I've not fished the release version. It's a pretty cool bait...
subsurface triggerfish
Like them or hate them, you can't deny a lot of trophy fish have been bagged on Rapalas....
On 2/12/2013 at 6:02 AM, Hooligan said:The bait they're coming out with is a new style of crankbait. Similar in form to a shad bodied bait, or a shad rap. The difference is the way the bill is formed. It's a cup, or accentuated U shaped bill, if you will. It's hard to describe it exactly. And I don't currently have pictures. What's unique is that the lure readily changes direction and speed. It's a very, very unique design, but it isn't game changing; yet. I've not fished the release version. It's a pretty cool bait...
Glad to see that someone else knows and posted. I have been trying to decide whether or not to post that info since I saw this thread.
Rapala sponsored the Bass University Class I attended this past weekend. The pros were willing to trade any of the baits in their box for the new Rapala DT 6 in a Red crawfish pattern. Guy next to me got a two brand new Lucky Craft pointers for that one crankbait. They may have horrible customer service, but they are good baits.
Me too. It's not just that, either. The hard bait world is about to change. There will be a pro, not sure if I should mention who or not, so I won't, that will be using this at the Classic.
On 2/12/2013 at 8:49 AM, Shane J said:Me too. It's not just that, either. The hard bait world is about to change. There will be a pro, not sure if I should mention who or not, so I won't, that will be using this at the Classic.
I hope it's Ott. Not Ike! ;-)
Remember Berkley frenzy crankbaits that were supposed to "REVOLUTIONIZE" fishing--They were in every clearance bin in the country
I just saw that count down too. On the back of my Ontario Outdoors magazine there's an advertisement for a new hard bait called the "Balsa Xtreme" or "BX Series"
maybe that's what its for.
This is something new. Actually, Bobby, you should pay attention, because it's going to affect the spinnerbait world, too.
On 2/12/2013 at 6:02 AM, Hooligan said:The bait they're coming out with is a new style of crankbait. Similar in form to a shad bodied bait, or a shad rap. The difference is the way the bill is formed. It's a cup, or accentuated U shaped bill, if you will. It's hard to describe it exactly. And I don't currently have pictures. What's unique is that the lure readily changes direction and speed. It's a very, very unique design, but it isn't game changing; yet. I've not fished the release version. It's a pretty cool bait...
Hmmm, and I've run out of space in my present crankbait box. Sigh.
Well, it will be interesting to see if this is the new now or the next helicopter lure. Either way, if a pro wins using this at the Classic, Rapala will be printing money for the next decade.
On 2/12/2013 at 8:43 AM, BassCats said:Rapala sponsored the Bass University Class I attended this past weekend. The pros were willing to trade any of the baits in their box for the new Rapala DT 6 in a Red crawfish pattern. Guy next to me got a two brand new Lucky Craft pointers for that one crankbait. They may have horrible customer service, but they are good baits.
They can trade for every DT6 they want, that bat is nothing compared to this. There's only one or two pros that have the bait.
On 2/12/2013 at 8:49 AM, Shane J said:Me too. It's not just that, either. The hard bait world is about to change. There will be a pro, not sure if I should mention who or not, so I won't, that will be using this at the Classic.
On 2/12/2013 at 9:04 AM, gripnrip said:I hope it's Ott. Not Ike! ;-)
Ott had a heavy, heavy influence in the design of this bait. My money is on him fishing it extensively at the Classic if the correct conditions are introduced.
Someone posted that it's similar to a sub-surface Triggerfish. Not really. Very different in the way it works. The dive angle is huge, and the speed, as well as the movement. It's very, ,very different.
On 2/12/2013 at 12:17 PM, Hooligan said:They can trade for every DT6 they want, that bat is nothing compared to this. There's only one or two pros that have the bait.
Ott had a heavy, heavy influence in the design of this bait. My money is on him fishing it extensively at the Classic if the correct conditions are introduced.
Someone posted that it's similar to a sub-surface Triggerfish. Not really. Very different in the way it works. The dive angle is huge, and the speed, as well as the movement. It's very, ,very different.
Does it make it back to the boat in one piece if it hits a rock during the retrieve? That's my biggest hang up with Rapala cranks, a 7-10 dollar bait should not fall apart that easily.
If it dives that deep that rapidly it might give the 10xd a run for its money?
The 10xd fills a small niche, while this new thing covers a much wider range of applications. It's not just one lure. It may be coming out as one, and that's how it will be introduced, but it will be used for waaay more than that.
On 2/12/2013 at 8:27 PM, Shane J said:The 10xd fills a small niche, while this new thing covers a much wider range of applications. It's not just one lure. It may be coming out as one, and that's how it will be introduced, but it will be used for waaay more than that.
Is this a modular based bait? One that the sections can be swapped out for another?
Aaah... we have a thinker. The original concept and design, yes. Turns out, that's not the best way to make money for a company, so it is being incorporated into a line of cranks.
Darn, this lure sounds so great that Morgan Freeman better do the voice-over for the commercials.
On 2/13/2013 at 1:13 AM, Shane J said:Aaah... we have a thinker. The original concept and design, yes. Turns out, that's not the best way to make money for a company, so it is being incorporated into a line of cranks.
Hope there is a bunch of R&D behind it.
When you say "modular," I hear falling apart on the retrieve.
Nothing's falling apart. There was a working prototype a year ago, but like you said, it takes time for R&D and copyrights. Oh yeah, and filming it in action!
On 2/13/2013 at 1:25 AM, SPEEDBEAD. said:Hope there is a bunch of R&D behind it.
When you say "modular," I hear falling apart on the retrieve.
I can just see a modular bait... the fish jumps and you get back half a crankbait. Man people would be BURNED then lol.
On 2/12/2013 at 6:02 AM, Hooligan said:The bait they're coming out with is a new style of crankbait. Similar in form to a shad bodied bait, or a shad rap. The difference is the way the bill is formed. It's a cup, or accentuated U shaped bill, if you will. It's hard to describe it exactly. And I don't currently have pictures. What's unique is that the lure readily changes direction and speed. It's a very, very unique design, but it isn't game changing; yet. I've not fished the release version. It's a pretty cool bait...
It is close to this but is not this exactly. I feel that it will be a huge game changer in certain conditions if it preforms like I was told it would.
I thought about this idea when I purchased my first jointed bait, I was just a kid then and life took me another direction so I never put idea to paper.. This school of thought can change many baits we use today, I don't think connectivity will be an issue just take the concept of the latch for a vehicle and apply similar technologies to a bait and it wont break..
But the question is.....will it catch fish?
On 2/13/2013 at 3:01 AM, CPBassFishing said:But the question is.....will it catch fish?
almost anything will catch a bass. one of the guys here did a test a few years ago and was catching bass on a shoestring
On 2/12/2013 at 12:17 PM, Hooligan said:They can trade for every DT6 they want, that bat is nothing compared to this. There's only one or two pros that have the bait.
Ott had a heavy, heavy influence in the design of this bait. My money is on him fishing it extensively at the Classic if the correct conditions are introduced.
Someone posted that it's similar to a sub-surface Triggerfish. Not really. Very different in the way it works. The dive angle is huge, and the speed, as well as the movement. It's very, ,very different.
Sweet! I need to change my fantasy pick! lol
DOGGONE IT! Somebody just post a picture already!
...or email it to me, and I'll post it if you are worried rapala will be peeved...
That ain't gonna happen before the Classic! Wouldn't be just Rapala that would be peeved!
a lot of dogs are barking, but none of these dogs are biting. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
On 2/12/2013 at 12:52 PM, Bluebasser86 said:Does it make it back to the boat in one piece if it hits a rock during the retrieve? That's my biggest hang up with Rapala cranks, a 7-10 dollar bait should not fall apart that easily.
I gave away quite a few DTs this year after I had several last season return to me as only a bill.
Hmm this should be a fun year
On 2/13/2013 at 8:29 AM, RyneB said:a lot of dogs are barking, but none of these dogs are biting. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
There are a lot of people that are waiting to get their hands on them again, myself included.
Will it catch fish without falling apart? Yes, it does.
Do I have pictures? No, I already said as much.
It's not as deep as a 10XD in the production models I've seen. There is talk af making deep cranks that will compete with it in this same style of bait.
I'm no longer actively involved with R&D with Rapala and that's the only reason I'm talking about it now.
On 2/13/2013 at 4:06 AM, Red Earth said:almost anything will catch a bass. one of the guys here did a test a few years ago and was catching bass on a shoestring
Remember the old Heddon beer can lure LOL
Maybe this new bait has an adjustable diving lip?
Only problem I have ever had with any Rapala products was the plastic bill breaking when I threw it into riprap. Rock vs. plastic = Rock 1 Plastic 0.
Totally my fault.
I use the #5 and #7 Shad Raps and they seem to work everywhere and have all but two of Ike's DT line. Will throw those this spring and summer.
Sorry to hear that the company has poor customer service.
Not sure if its too much of a secret... Many big box retailers already have received info on it... Distributors placed orders on it already and are beginning to take orders on it for their accounts... Just the general public has not seen it...
On 2/13/2013 at 4:06 AM, Red Earth said:almost anything will catch a bass. one of the guys here did a test a few years ago and was catching bass on a shoestring
I would love to see this thread... link?
I am the first to give credit where it is do- If i believe that it will help anglers catch more fish-GOOD FOR RAPALA..They deserve it.
As a designer -I applaude innovation.It makes us who we are- Be different-Think outside the pond-
But i will say -I am a critic-I know from being under the water and on top of it-the triggering qualities of a bait. They often go by fish unnoticed or undetected-the bas dont give a hoot what the humans say works,
On 2/14/2013 at 10:21 AM, Bobby Uhrig said:I am the first to give credit where it is do- If i believe that it will help anglers catch more fish-GOOD FOR RAPALA..They deserve it.
As a designer -I applaude innovation.It makes us who we are- Be different-Think outside the pond-
But i will say -I am a critic-I know from being under the water and on top of it-the triggering qualities of a bait. They often go by fish unnoticed or undetected-the bas dont give a hoot what the humans say works,
I've seen this demonstrated at a recent distributor show in a hotel pool... It is quite impressive... And after reviewing the press release Im glad to see they are offering it a few styles and not limiting it to one line... The only question left for me is will it catch fish... With the money Rapala is dumping into marketing... plus the years of R & D, as well as the money they fronted for production, and finally the sheer extent they are gonna display this in many retailers.. It has to be successful.. or they will be out alot of money.. and without a doubt when I say alot of money I bet 7 figures...
Here's what the fuss is about I assume http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/sportsmans/Rapala-X-Rap-CountDown/productDetail/NEW-Lures-for-2013/prod999901365203/cat120601#gridContainer Wonder if Rapala knows the beans got spilled?
On 2/14/2013 at 9:18 AM, dropshot40 said:Not sure if its too much of a secret... Many big box retailers already have received info on it... Distributors placed orders on it already and are beginning to take orders on it for their accounts... Just the general public has not seen it...
We're not talking about the same thing then. The bait in question won't be available for orders (to the wholesale or distribution level) until late February. I know there are fewer than 10 people at the organization I deal with that have seen it.
On 2/14/2013 at 11:16 AM, TNBassin said:Here's what the fuss is about I assume http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/sportsmans/Rapala-X-Rap-CountDown/productDetail/NEW-Lures-for-2013/prod999901365203/cat120601#gridContainer Wonder if Rapala knows the beans got spilled?
No, that's not what is being talked about here.
On 2/14/2013 at 11:59 AM, Hooligan said:We're not talking about the same thing then. The bait in question won't be available for orders (to the wholesale or distribution level) until late February. I know there are fewer than 10 people at the organization I deal with that have seen it.
Hooligan, No we are talking about the same thing... I can PM to get into alot more details.. I know a certain distributor that placed orders for it at the end of January when the Reps displayed it at the show.. They were very strict as to no pictures to be taken. And no dealers were allowed. I know of another distributor who has just in the last few days began pre ordering it for their accounts.
Well, got to see a pic of the bait.
Interesting looking. Didnt get to see the action but I was told that it's pretty cool. Supposedly gonna do some cool stuff in the water.
If the action is what they say, the name fits the bait pretty well too.
I love Rapala baits, the DT and DT Fat series along with the DT Flats have done well for me. My fishing partner hated them for breaking and I was wondering why his were busting until we were on a crank bite one day and I watched in horror as he got some weeds on the back hook and proceeded to slam the lure straight into the water 3 or 4 times to get rid of the weeds. I looked at him and said, yep, I can see how you are breaking baits, BTW 2 hours later the the Lucky Craft BDS he was throwing shattered, the plastic took longer to bust than the balsa but it broke and I said you better not complain, they weren't made to take that kind of abuse.
Here's an idea: Release the lure exclusively to BassResource.com members for testing and review!
So what do we know from this thread? It's a deep diver, that digs very deep very quickly. At one point in its evolution it might have been modular or in a couple of pieces. The bill design is revolutionary, perhaps 'cupped' and may be adjustable. It swims erratically underwater. This could mean it walks under water, hunts, rolls or changes direction, but whether it does this on its own or the fisherman has to impart the action on the bait is unclear. It is also fairly certain that the classic winner will no doubt say this new lure was a big part of his pattern to win thus insuring a mad rush for this bait...
So, any guesses? A bill that somehow dynamically changes configuration/position as you swim it? A deep diving suspending lure with a bill that allows it to hunt underwater? A spring loaded bill that changes the lures direction depending on how much pressure is applied with the line? DAGNABIT. Still dying to know what the he11 this thing is!!!
Hooligan's post about the bait is spot on from what I know.
The name's got "Rap" at the end much like their other recent stuff.
On 2/15/2013 at 2:27 AM, SPEEDBEAD. said:Hooligan's post about the bait is spot on from what I know.
The name's got "Rap" at the end much like their other recent stuff.
Finally got some concrete info... It's called the Scatter Rap Shad. Bass Pro in MD has a whole empty display ready to be filled. $8.99 there, so a dollar or two cheaper at Walmart. Cupped bill that facilitates underwater hunt action... As I said, the Classic winner will no doubt be throwing one to drive up demand....
Or Scatter Shad Rap...
All this hype for yet another deep diving crank? Ok, it's got a unique hunitng action, but is it really that much better to deserve this hype? I'll probably end up buying a few however.
On 2/14/2013 at 9:43 AM, BassinB said:I would love to see this thread... link?
ive searched for the thread and cant seem to find it. maybe someone else here remembers that thread and can get you a link. anyone?. if i recall correctly, and i might not lol, i think it was started by "paul."
found it
http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/70575-bass-on-a-shoestring-budget/
i take it this is the scatter rap
Its the "Scatter Rap" and is being produced in 4 Variations: Crank, Minnow, Shad, and Countdown... About 15 color patterns in each model.. Other than the Countdown they all have diving depths ranging from 5-8 feet. Like I said in an earlier post.. I saw the minnow in action in a pool at a distributor show.. It is a really wild acting bait.. Hooloigans post from earlier has a very accurate description on the bill and its actions.. Good price point as well..
Scatter Rap? Rapala must have come up with this idea when the lips of their DT's broke off. Just kind of scatters back to the boat with another $8.00 bait down the drain. Very disappointed with Rapala so I really don't care what they come out with. You would have thought they would have corrected the issue with the DT's but apparently they don't care about their customers. They have figured out the new business model in this country: Sell all you can and screw the customers.
On 2/14/2013 at 10:08 PM, smalljaw67 said:I love Rapala baits, the DT and DT Fat series along with the DT Flats have done well for me. My fishing partner hated them for breaking and I was wondering why his were busting until we were on a crank bite one day and I watched in horror as he got some weeds on the back hook and proceeded to slam the lure straight into the water 3 or 4 times to get rid of the weeds. I looked at him and said, yep, I can see how you are breaking baits, BTW 2 hours later the the Lucky Craft BDS he was throwing shattered, the plastic took longer to bust than the balsa but it broke and I said you better not complain, they weren't made to take that kind of abuse.
You can take a Norman crank and run over it with a tank. I don't want to have to baby a crankbait because the lips are made of some of the weakest plastic known to man. This was a known problem that was never fixed. And if you aren't bangin' your cranks against the bottom, rocks and stumps, you are missing a lot of fish.
Colors of the Scatter Rap along with styles found here http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cOsA4cgddaIJ:www.pitmancreek.com/images/files/PDF%2520Documents/2013%2520PreBook%2520Rapala%2520ScatterRap-dealer.pdf+rapala+scatter+rap&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
On 2/15/2013 at 9:53 AM, Kevinator1 said:Scatter Rap? Rapala must have come up with this idea when the lips of their DT's broke off. Just kind of scatters back to the boat with another $8.00 bait down the drain. Very disappointed with Rapala so I really don't care what they come out with. You would have thought they would have corrected the issue with the DT's but apparently they don't care about their customers. They have figured out the new business model in this country: Sell all you can and screw the customers.
Wow!
Return the lures to the retailer or directly to the company. I exchange EVERY lure that breaks
regardless of the age and have NEVER been denied. Most companies send back two or three
additional lures.
Here is the current picture of Rapala, new mfg. facilities moving from China to Batam Island Indonesia, strong growth in Russia and the new Scatter Rap Family leading their short term outlook. Very good read for those who may be interested. ......http://finance.yahoo.com/news/rapala-vmc-corporations-annual-accounts-073201000.html
On 2/13/2013 at 1:14 AM, SudburyBasser said:Darn, this lure sounds so great that Morgan Freeman better do the voice-over for the commercials.
Morgan Freeman...If its that good its time to cut a check to the king of the voice over jungle...JAMES EARL JONES aka MOOSTAFAA!!!
You're going to compare the King of the Jungle to God Himself? Sacrilege.
That said, James Earl Jones would kill in that commercial. Hell, he almost had me wanting to try and play pro baseball just because of his
UPDATE: Damnit, I just watched it again and for some reason my eyes are nearly leaking...must be dusty in this room.
Ott posted a 5 pounder on his Facebook. It didn't show the bait or crank he caught it on. The others were on a shad rap and a jig. Things that make ya go hmmmmmm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZOj14S6ONA
That's a great commercial!
Rapala will come out with this new bait, it will be a hot seller and catch fish. 5 months after it's introduced, Lucky-E-Strike will produce a knock-off and sell it for $2.99.
The Dick's booth will be carrying them at the Classic expo. I guess I'll have to buy a couple to try out. If I had an unhealthy addiction it would be cranks!
On 2/15/2013 at 9:53 AM, Kevinator1 said:Scatter Rap? Rapala must have come up with this idea when the lips of their DT's broke off. Just kind of scatters back to the boat with another $8.00 bait down the drain. Very disappointed with Rapala so I really don't care what they come out with. You would have thought they would have corrected the issue with the DT's but apparently they don't care about their customers. They have figured out the new business model in this country: Sell all you can and screw the customers.
On 2/15/2013 at 9:53 AM, Kevinator1 said:Scatter Rap? Rapala must have come up with this idea when the lips of their DT's broke off. Just kind of scatters back to the boat with another $8.00 bait down the drain. Very disappointed with Rapala so I really don't care what they come out with. You would have thought they would have corrected the issue with the DT's but apparently they don't care about their customers. They have figured out the new business model in this country: Sell all you can and screw the customers.
I've broke 3 bills off the DT series, 1 off of a DT 4, 1 off of a Rapala X-Rap that I hit a rock while fishing in 34 degree water, and 1 off of a shad rap years ago and Rapala replaced every one. This isn't a lot considering that I really beat up a DT Thug off rip rap every season since they've been released and the reason I keep using them is they don't get hung in the rip rap, the fish have been killing them, and I still have yet to break one. I will agree the Normans are built like tanks but I also have to run them in clear water out of the box because every single one on my Middle N cranks had to be tuned, I don't mind as they are fish catchers too but Rapal has always been good with CS to me. 3 broken baits and 3 baits replaced with the same model, size, and color.
Had a $20 Strike King lip break and they sent me two new baits.
Interesting, but tbh, I am a little dissapointed...I was expecting something more radical...but I am definitely going to get myself some of these.
And on the other subject of discussion, I haven't broken a Rapala lip.
On 2/21/2013 at 5:54 AM, smalljaw67 said:I've broke 3 bills off the DT series, 1 off of a DT 4, 1 off of a Rapala X-Rap that I hit a rock while fishing in 34 degree water, and 1 off of a shad rap years ago and Rapala replaced every one. This isn't a lot considering that I really beat up a DT Thug off rip rap every season since they've been released and the reason I keep using them is they don't get hung in the rip rap, the fish have been killing them, and I still have yet to break one. I will agree the Normans are built like tanks but I also have to run them in clear water out of the box because every single one on my Middle N cranks had to be tuned, I don't mind as they are fish catchers too but Rapal has always been good with CS to me. 3 broken baits and 3 baits replaced with the same model, size, and color.
Yeah, I'm not saying that they won't replace them, just the fact that they have known about this problem for a long time and haven't tried to fix the issue by making the bills stronger. They could do it without it effecting the way the bait runs.
On 2/14/2013 at 10:13 PM, roadwarrior said:Here's an idea: Release the lure exclusively to BassResource.com members for testing and review!
I like that idea.
On 2/21/2013 at 10:41 AM, alexczarn said:Interesting, but tbh, I am a little dissapointed...I was expecting something more radical...but I am definitely going to get myself some of these.
And on the other subject of discussion, I haven't broken a Rapala lip.
Well its only a matter of time. It will happen.
On 2/21/2013 at 10:41 AM, alexczarn said:Interesting, but tbh, I am a little dissapointed...I was expecting something more radical...but I am definitely going to get myself some of these.
And on the other subject of discussion, I haven't broken a Rapala lip.
Get it to deflect off rip rap or big chunk rock and it will surely break.