What is the point? 2024

FivePoundBluegill reply :

I honestly dont get the point on spending $200 on a rod or $200 on a reel? I just dont get it. I can understand paying extra for braded line because that makes a huge difference but haveing your rod and reel combo be $350+ is just silly I think.

I have landed many carp and catfish over 10 LBS easily with rod and reel combos that cost less than $100 total. I just use ugly stick rods with around $50 spinning reels yet I am still able to land the monster fish when I hook into them. The biggest fish I ever caught in freshwater was a 34 inch long carp. I caught him with a cheap $30 ugly stick rod and about a $50 reel. So I honestly dont get the point of those $200 rods and reels when you can get much cheaper equipment that works just as well?

Jig Man reply :

Live.2.Fish reply :

Oh Boy. :-? This could get real interesting.

Just for the record, I think high dollar equiptment is worth every penny.

.dsaavedra. reply :

well all i gotta say is i agree with both sides, BUT once u try high dollar equipment, you will agree that its worth the money.

mattm reply :

If you can afford high dollar equipment it may very well be worth every penny. Its going to vary individual to individual. Anybody that isn't a blowhard is going to tell you that you can catch fish on prettty much any rod and reel. On the other side anybody fishing bargain equipment should tell you that a shimano something of the other may be better than their 30 dollar reel, but not 200.00 better in THEIR opinion. I will always fish the nicest gear I can afford/what my wife will let me get away with. However, the higher priced you go in any merchandise the less bang your getting for your buck. For instance, I guarantee you the difference between a 30.00 reel and a 130.00 reel is quite a bit, but the differnce between a 350.00 reel and a 450.00 is considerably less(still better but less).

skunked_again reply :

im not 100% sold on $200 rods but when it comes to baitcasters.....................serious fisherpeople that fish every day, 365 days a year know where that extra $150 went. on a side note, theres nothing wrong in my opinion with a $50 rod/reel combo if it does what you want.

when the day comes im pitching a jig in wind and i want to not have backlashes, im picking up my shimano.

Micro reply :

My opinion is that there is really good equipment available under $200 (both rods and reels) that makes me seriously question whether or not another $100 will really get me another $100 worth of advantage.

I suppose some people are good enough, or need to be good enough (professionals), that any extra advantage is worth the extra cost - whatever it may be. For me, I'm an amatuer. I fish for fun. I don't tournament fish. I want nice equipment, but for me it doesn't make sense to spend $300+ on a rod when it won't give me any more advantage than my $150 rod. (That's not to say I'll never spend $300+ on a rod - I very well may). But I don't feel I'm at a disadvantage right now using my $150 Revo SX and $150 Team All Star.

topwater buzz reply :

I also agree there are two sides to this arguement. Honestly, and not to sound braggy. I could pretty much buy whatever I wanted. But I look at it as to how much time I have the chance to fish. Therefore I buy Shimano Citica's as compared to the new Core. I learned two things a long time ago. Nothing is ever a bargain if its not what you really want . Secondly. The bitterness of poor quality long outlives the sweetness of a good deal. Either way fishing is fun and afforable to all.

fish-fighting-illini reply :

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I also agree there are two sides to this arguement. Honestly, and not to sound braggy. I could pretty much buy whatever I wanted. But I look at it as to how much time I have the chance to fish. Therefore I buy Shimano Citica's as compared to the new Core. I learned two things a long time ago. Nothing is ever a bargain if its not what you really want . Secondly. The bitterness of poor quality long outlives the sweetness of a good deal. Either way fishing is fun and afforable to all.

Very well put and a very un-biased point of view! great post!

Welcome aboard

volpster31 reply :

all i can say is "use a $200 reel & you wouldnt say this"....their is a huge difference in quality equipment & it will hold up much much better too.

i used to think like you when i was using bps bionic blade rods(which i liked),but when i switched to st croix avids, ill never go back

burleytog reply :

You get what you pay for.

Gatorbassman reply :

OK here's my point. >

I fish 225 days a year. If I didn't buy quality gear I would be replacing it every six months or so. When I say quality I don't mean GLoomis and Shimano. That is high end and out of my price range. I just need something that will hold up to how and how often I fish.

I have Revo's and Daiwa's from $100 to $250 and I have upgraded my rods from $33 AllStars to $170 Dobyns Rods.

Catt reply :

And you probably never will get it

=Matt 5.0= reply :

This has got to be the most debated topic in the history of the world... :

FishTank reply :

This debate continues all the time.

You can get great gear if you use your head wisely. I have purchased a Shimano Curado 201 SF for $40, a Shimano Calcutta 251 for $30, and a St. Croix Avid spinning rod for $65, all new. Would I buy an Ugly Stick for $30? > No way, not when I know I can find deals like the ones above.

I think you can catch fish on just about anything, including kite string on the end of stick with a worm on a homemade hook.

IMHO, the better quality equipment that is available today is worth it but you don't have to break the bank to buy it.

moby bass reply :

I started with Ugly Sticks and Shakespeare reels. I have been upgrading ever since. I gave the Ugly sticks away. I don't have real expensive, top of the line equipment, so I can't compare. But I do know my middle grade equipment is superior in every way to my low end equipment.

A $30.00 reel will bring a fish to the boat just as a $300 reel will. But the $300 reel will probably last a lifetime (no guarantees though, too many variables). The $30 reel will probably last several seasons.

I don't think you can derive benefit simply in terms of dollars. ie: a $100 rod is twice as good as a $50

rod. Also, over the long run, if there were no benefit associated with more expensive equipment, I don't believe people would continue to purchase high end. There is always the extreme high end where the prestige factor kicks in. Think of it in terms of automobiles. A $10,000 car will get you from point A to point B just as will a $60,000 car. It all depends on how you want to get there.

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But I don't feel I'm at a disadvantage right now using my $150 Revo SX and $150 Team All Star.

I personally think that quality of equipment is more than adequate for the kind of fishing i do.

Most of mine isn't that good....yet.

Jeff H reply :

One thing I don't think many people consider concerning rod sensitivity is that some people just have better sense of feel than others. Much like some people have better eyesight, hearing or sense of smell than others. Some people just have dead hands and therefore would definitely benefit from a GLoomis IMX or whatever where another guy can get away with a Series One, HMG. Premier etc. I think I'm like that and really don't need a super sensitive rod, but I do crave the lightweight of a top quality stick, especially dealing with the arthritis I have in my wrists.

I remember fishing a club tourney many years ago with a guy who had all the top quality stuff and we were fishing the inside corner of this bar and I was commenting on the size of the rocks. My partner couldn't seem to feel them at all. I was using a Lightning Rod and he had a GLoomis IMX. I don't beleive for a second that a Lightning Rod is even close to a IMX in sensitivity but rather I beleive the problem was HIS sense of feel.

So, I don't think it's fair to bag on somebody who doesn't think they need the advantages of a $200+ rod as there could very well be good reasons why they feel that way. I certainly don't need them, but I can appreciate them, especially for weight factor. I always will beleive the mid range priced stuff is a better value for myself, but even some of the cheaper rods are a great value in the right hands.

flechero reply :

Quality and value have as many definitions as the # of people asked to define them. Just be careful not to stereotype a group of people based on something you appear to have little knowledge of.

I have a number of Abu 4600's that have been fished hard for many years- several over 15 years... they still look great on the inside. They function perfectly to this day. Bought them reconditioned from a service center in the late 80's and early 90's for $25-$35 each. I've replaced a few worm gears and pawls but a few dollars and a few minutes is nothing for reels of that age and use.

They are good quality and good value.

Now look at the 50MG's I have purchased in the past 2 years... they do everything the 4600's do but do it lighter, smoother, better. The 50MG doesn't take anything away from the old $35 reels and the old reels don't make the 50MG's more or less valuable. Each was a good reel and was a good deal on its own merit.

Now the flip side- I have a TD-Z BBS that's a $400 waste of money. IMO it's a bad value and a mediocre reel. I only bring this up to show that there are some bad experiences with high $$$ gear.

For anyone to make a blanket statement that condemns high or low priced gear, based on cost, is both irresponsible and ignorant.

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haveing your rod and reel combo be $350+ is just silly I think

So if my $350+ combo represents a smaller percentage of my disposable income than your $100 combo, what then does that say about you? does that make you the silly one?

This agrument is tired... most of the time these threads are started by someone who is trying to justify their own gear. I could care less what anyone uses but lets keep it factual and honest.

Bud reply :

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Quality and value have as many definitions as the # of people asked to define them. Just be careful not to stereotype a group of people based on something you appear to have little knowledge of.

This agrument is tired... most of the time these threads are started by someone who is trying to justify their own gear. I could care less what anyone uses but lets keep it factual and honest.

Let me put the AMEN to that flechero

Maxximus Redneckus reply :

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This debate continues all the time.
You can get great gear if you use your head wisely. I have purchased a Shimano Curado 201 SF for $40, a Shimano Calcutta 251 for $30, and a St. Croix Avid spinning rod for $65, all new. Would I buy an Ugly Stick for $30? > No way, not when I know I can find deals like the ones above.

I think you can catch fish on just about anything, including kite string on the end of stick with a worm on a homemade hook.

IMHO, the better quality equipment that is available today is worth it but you don't have to break the bank to buy it.

This man knows what he is talkin i look for discounts also whats the diff in a brand new 300 loomis and a brand new 300 dollar loomis.......... 200 bucks if u look around

Maxximus Redneckus reply :

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Quality and value have as many definitions as the # of people asked to define them. Just be careful not to stereotype a group of people based on something you appear to have little knowledge of.
I have a number of Abu 4600's that have been fished hard for many years- several over 15 years... they still look great on the inside. They function perfectly to this day. Bought them reconditioned from a service center in the late 80's and early 90's for $25-$35 each. I've replaced a few worm gears and pawls but a few dollars and a few minutes is nothing for reels of that age and use.

They are good quality and good value.

Now look at the 50MG's I have purchased in the past 2 years... they do everything the 4600's do but do it lighter, smoother, better. The 50MG doesn't take anything away from the old $35 reels and the old reels don't make the 50MG's more or less valuable. Each was a good reel and was a good deal on its own merit.

Now the flip side- I have a TD-Z BBS that's a $400 waste of money. IMO it's a bad value and a mediocre reel. I only bring this up to show that there are some bad experiences with high $$$ gear.

For anyone to make a blanket statement that condemns high or low priced gear, based on cost, is both irresponsible and ignorant.

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haveing your rod and reel combo be $350+ is just silly I think

So if my $350+ combo represents a smaller percentage of my disposable income than your $100 combo, what then does that say about you? does that make you the silly one?

This agrument is tired... most of the time these threads are started by someone who is trying to justify their own gear. I could care less what anyone uses but lets keep it factual and honest.

Flech i have to disagree on the 4600 thought i can do with my 4600 in thick weeds and brush with 20 lb line what a mg 50 cant.. i have 20 plus pounds of drag .Now all jokes aside if i had to buy and ABU wasnt on the market any more id be a shimano man they are very very nice reeels .Matter of fact if i found deals on citicas id buy um or curados or mg,s

Micro reply :

I consider my equipment good stuff. Not the most expensive, but not cheap either. I want to fish with good tackle. It enhances my enjoyment, and to a certain degree increases my success. But for me, there is a limit at which expense starts to detract from enjoyment.

If I were to fish with a $350 rod or reel, I would spend an inordinate amount of time tending to it and worrying about it. Each little bump would require an inspection. Everytime it tapped my gunnel with a rod tip I would cringe. I don't really do that with my current equipment. I mean, I take care of it, but its not so expensive that I can't go out and replace it if I damage it. I spend more time worrying about fishing than I do my equipment.

I draw a parallel to my experiences with my hunting and my guns. I have owned, and do own, some very high grade firearms. My highest grade gun was a custom Mannlicher-Schönauer with a custom made quick detachable Paul Jaeger scope mount and Zeiss scope. I hunted with it several times and spent more time flicking dust and pine needles off of it than I did looking for deer sing. This nice rifle actually detracted from my hunting enjoyment. I ended up selling it and bought several Rugers and Marlins. I use them, I take care of them, but I don't worry about them.

For me, it's not all about the equipment. It's mostly about the sport. But I would have a hard time enjoying fishing if my stuff was so cheap that I did not feel it was doing what it should be doing. By the same token, if my stuff was too expensive, I'd be worrying about damaging it. With the stuff I have now, I have hit a mark where it's not too cheap and not to expensive. I can take pride in my equipment and enjoy fising with it.

ww2farmer reply :

$75-$100 will buy you a very nice rod, and $75-$100 will buy you a very nice reel. HOWEVER $75-$100 will buy you a combo that will wear out with serious use, and not be very refined. There are a few rods under $75 that are decent (Berkley lightning rod, Fenwick Eagle and Venture) but most are either heavy, unsensitive or both. Same for reels a few good ones out there, mostly spinning, like the Pflueger Presidant, Daiwa Exceller, and Shimano Shara. A baitcaster under $75 thats any good............slim pickings, Daiwa Procaster100H is about it for LP, and some place's have Abu C3's for less than $75. The Quantum Accurist also goes for around $75-$80 and (so far from my expierance) is a pretty decent reel.

BTW..........If I could, I WOULD have higher end stuff. Once you upgrade you can never go back. Some one who says "What's the point" to high end gear wouldn't know what to do with it if they had it anyways.

McNasty reply :

For a long time I felt like the cheaper equipment was just as good. Until I moved up to Shimano reels and St Croix and Fenwick rods. Trust me You can tell a big difference. I fish about twice a week and the extra money was well worth it, I seem to enjoy the fishing days much better. You will also miss less fish with the better rods due to there sensitivity.

FishTank reply :

No matter what equipment I have or use, I enjoy my time outside fishing.

So I ask this in regards to the question "What is the point?",

What's the point of spending about $1000 on a computer and $20 a month on internet service to post negative comments about fishing equipment that costs about half the price? What's the priority?

If I had to, I would chose my gear over the computer any day.

Jeff H reply :

About a month or so ago I went digging through all my old rods and found a Shimano Convergence 6' MH trigger(also found a 7' M trigger) piled in amongst all my old Berkely sticks. I have no idea when I aquired these rods but it hadn't been used much if at all. So, I put a old Team Daiwa TD1-pi on it and took with me on my next trip just for the heck of it. To my surprise it turned out be a decent worm and jerk bait rod (the 6') and I have left it in the boat. I just recently looked at the prices of these rods and they are an extremely affordable stick in the $40 range which puts them in a price class with Lightning Rods....but much better in my opinion. It's not quite as heavy as a Lightning Rod for one thing. I actually did not mind fishing with it at all and it was a "mind opening" experience. Still, I wouldn't choose it over my Loomis wormin' stick unless I was blind drunk. But it definitely has me less inclined to spend $200 on a rod right now. Hopefully that feeling will pass ;D

cbfishalot reply :

If quality gear will increase my catch ratio due to whatever factor it may be and I cash a check then I guess it payed for itself. But till you use the rod, reel, ect. then don't judge people who do.

Just my two cents!!!!!!!!

Bass Hammer reply :

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I honestly dont get the point on spending $200 on a rod or $200 on a reel? I just dont get it.

I'll let the cat out of the bag........with high end equiptment you will catch a fish on every cast. That's right every cast. It's part of a secret concession made by the high end gear cartel to get us to buy their gear.

It's been going on for years......we've just haven't told you.

Bud reply :

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Nice young inexperianced pup whom walks in the yard with older more experianced dogs should be careful not to step in the poopy,lol. Can I get a Amen !!!

Amen

Tucson reply :

As with most anything you buy there is a point of diminishing return. An $80 rod is a big step up in quality over a $20 rod but if you opt to spend $160 don't expect the quality difference to double. I look for the price point that gives me the best quality for the money and that point is up to the individual.

A minimum requirement for most (but not all) applications is some type of graphite. After that level is reached it becomes a question of smaller returns for the dollar.

And of course, everyones budget is different and that's a huge factor. The real price of anything is the amount of lifetime that you must exhchange to acquire it. If you earn $200 an hour then a $200 rod is not a big deal. But if you are making minimum wage it becomes a BIG purchase.

=Matt 5.0= reply :

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The real price of anything is the amount of lifetime that you must exhchange to acquire it. If you earn $200 an hour then a $200 rod is not a big deal. But if you are making minimum wage it becomes a BIG purchase.

Very well said.

5bass reply :

I have a theory about the very high end stuff. I believe the reel makers take an already good reel, add a bearing or three, a different finish, a few holes drilled here and there and jack the price thru the roof. They are able to sell $500 reels simply because they can. Some people just have alot of money and like to have things that other people cant have. There is a market for gear that ordinary people cant afford/justify.

Use what you feel comfortable with and can afford.....if you can afford a Kistler Helium LTX go for it. If you can afford an Ugly Stik, go with it. As long as you are happy with it and are catching fish, thats all that should matter.

David P reply :

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I honestly dont get the point on spending $200 on a rod or $200 on a reel? I just dont get it. I can understand paying extra for braded line because that makes a huge difference but haveing your rod and reel combo be $350+ is just silly I think.
I have landed many carp and catfish over 10 LBS easily with rod and reel combos that cost less than $100 total. I just use ugly stick rods with around $50 spinning reels yet I am still able to land the monster fish when I hook into them. The biggest fish I ever caught in freshwater was a 34 inch long carp. I caught him with a cheap $30 ugly stick rod and about a $50 reel. So I honestly dont get the point of those $200 rods and reels when you can get much cheaper equipment that works just as well?

Rod and Reels make more of a difference then braided line, in my opinion.

Carp and Catfish are totally different styles of fishing, and that fishing, you can get away with a cheaper rod and reel as long as it wont' break on you. The reason people spend more money on bass rods, is light weight and sensitivity. The more you pay, the more sensitive the rod is. The more you pay on a reel, the better it performs.

To me, I'd rather have a really expensive rod and a moderately expensive reel. The rod is more important to me. But that's just me, some disagree.

roadwarrior reply :

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Quality and value have as many definitions as the # of people asked to define them. Just be careful not to stereotype a group of people based on something you appear to have little knowledge of.
For anyone to make a blanket statement that condemns high or low priced gear, based on cost, is both irresponsible and ignorant.

This agrument is tired... most of the time these threads are started by someone who is trying to justify their own gear. I could care less what anyone uses but lets keep it factual and honest.

Amen!

Catt reply :

To me high end equipment does not mean big bucks but rather big quality and a quality setup can be had for under $200.

Raul reply :

Purchased an Abu Ambassadeur XLT 521 Plus reel back in 1984 or 1985, it cost me the whopping ammount of $89.99 plus tax, not only one of the best reels around those days but also one of the most expensive, back in those days 95 bones for a reel was an obscene ammount of money, all my buddies thought I was absolutely insane and the fact that I paired it to one of the most expensive rods practically confirmed their opinion, I paired it to a Berkley Lightning Rod, in those days they were top of the line rods, I almost spend 200 dollars in those puppies.

Well, it 's been over a little bit of two decades since I purchased them, 60% of all my 10+ pounders I 've caught over the years were caught on that rig.

Let 's do some math:

200 dollars / 22 years = 9 dollars per year of use and abuse

Since I take good care of my gear I bet I can take another 10 years of use out of that rig which btw is still in use, can there be better justification than that ? I spend more than 9 dollars a year just in chewing gum.

What 's the point ?

Purchase quality gear and it will last a lifetime.

flechero reply :

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Let 's do some math:

200 dollars / 22 years = 9 dollars per year

It would have still been a bargin at twice the price.

Raul reply :

More math:

Curado 200 ( 120 )/ GLoomis GL2 ( 125 ) + shipping = 260 / 12 years = 13 dollars per year.

And I still have both and use them a lot.

The_Natural reply :

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Quality and value have as many definitions as the # of people asked to define them. Just be careful not to stereotype a group of people based on something you appear to have little knowledge of.
For anyone to make a blanket statement that condemns high or low priced gear, based on cost, is both irresponsible and ignorant.

This agrument is tired... most of the time these threads are started by someone who is trying to justify their own gear. I could care less what anyone uses but lets keep it factual and honest.

Amen!

Excellent post. I hear a lot of anglers mention income, but I had four very nice combos at 15yrs old that I saved up and purchased mowing lawns. My last partner drove a Range Rover and had new Ranger 521, but didn't see the value or reasoning for expensive rods or reels and used bps extreme combos. I'm the same way...I have $800 rod combos, but buy my cargo shorts at walmart for $10 because I don't see the value in the Lucky brand Cargo shorts or Abercrombie cargo shorts. There is no right answer... only opinions. it's like asking if a certain food tastes good.

SPEEDBEAD. reply :

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Quality and value have as many definitions as the # of people asked to define them. Just be careful not to stereotype a group of people based on something you appear to have little knowledge of.
For anyone to make a blanket statement that condemns high or low priced gear, based on cost, is both irresponsible and ignorant.

This agrument is tired... most of the time these threads are started by someone who is trying to justify their own gear. I could care less what anyone uses but lets keep it factual and honest.

Amen!

Excellent post. I hear a lot of anglers mention income, but I had four very nice combos at 15yrs old that I saved up and purchased mowing lawns. My last partner drove a Range Rover and had new Ranger 521, but didn't see the value or reasoning for expensive rods or reels and used bps extreme combos. I'm the same way...I have $800 rod combos, but buy my cargo shorts at walmart for $10 because I don't see the value in the Lucky brand Cargo shorts or Abercrombie cargo shorts. There is no right answer... only opinions. it's like asking if a certain food tastes good.

There is your point right there. Nice and big for all to read. Fish with what you have and are able to afford.

lubina reply :

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Now the flip side- I have a TD-Z BBS that's a $400 waste of money. IMO it's a bad value and a mediocre reel. I only bring this up to show that there are some bad experiences with high $$$ gear.

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I think that you are in a very Elite Minority on this. ;D

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