Glass Rods For Chatterbaits 2024
ZB85 reply :
I was watching Iaconelli interview Brett Hite on Chatterbaits and Hite says he uses a heavy action glass rod when fishing Chatterbaits. Do any of you guys use a glass rod for chatterbaits and if so do you like it better than graphite?
georgeyew reply :
I sometimes do. I like the flex of a fiberglass rod for chatterbaits. Same for all my moving baits. It gives the fish more time to eat the bait.
iabass8 reply :
I think hite uses the dobyns 705cb glass for chatterbaits. I use that rod for squarebills. I didint like for chatterbaits or spinnerbaits. I much prefer the champ 734 for those.
A-Jay reply :
I like glass for treble hook baits.
As for Chatter baits, I've only been throwing them for a very short time, but so far I prefer a Graphite stick and 12-15 lb mono; same as Spinner baits.
Unless there's very thick vegetation, then it's braid.
** Edit ** ~ 12 Dec 2016. Have switched to a composite stick. I like it quite a bit. Line choices are now 15 lb Invisx for light to moderate cover & braid for in & around the Jungle.
A-Jay
Jrob78 reply :
On 5/7/2014 at 11:12 PM, iabass8 said:I think hite uses the dobyns 705cb glass for chatterbaits. I use that rod for squarebills. I didint like for chatterbaits or spinnerbaits. I much prefer the champ 734 for those.
Hite uses Evergreen rods.
J Francho reply :
Same rod I'd use for a spinner bait. It has to be x-fast to quickly load and drive a relatively gig hook home. A slower crank bait rod does not work great for me.
iabass8 reply :
On 5/7/2014 at 11:16 PM, Jrob78 said:Hite uses Evergreen rods.
Im thinking of somebody else
tbone1993 reply :
I know a few old timers that switched to glass rods for their spinnerbaits and chatterbaits. I believe it was something rick clunn mentioned to him when he fished the classic. I know they used to be mainly glass rods but I believe clunn didnt switch over whent hey went to g
ZB85 reply :
I normally just use a 7'mh/f for chatterbaits but then I heard Hite likes to use Glass rods.. I throw chatterbaits alot so it got me thinking a little
Teal reply :
People are getting too darn specialized.
Whatever happened to using a 7'MH or. 7M for anything ....
Glass rods ans Moderate fast graphites are too slow of a taper to quickly drive a big jig hook of a spinner bait or a chatter, jog or whatever... If u want a little more whip in the rod use a Med, but rod needs to be a xf or a fast tip
This a situation where a standard jig and worm rod...aka the modern bass rod would be fine. 7mh,f or xf
DTack reply :
He has been a big fan of the heavy glass rod for a while. Before using the Evergreen he had a rod made by Performance Tackle that was also a 7'4" medium-heavy/heavy glass model. He is definitely worth listening to when it comes to fishing a chatterbait or vibrating jig. The only caution I would throw out is that you may be looking at a heavy glass rod that is in fact HEAVY in your hand if you're not ponying up for a high priced rod.
DTack reply :
Has anyone who is saying a glass rod has too slow a taper or too much tip to drive a single jig hook home taken a look at Brett Hite's results when using a vibrating jig? Just curious, because he has done well with it and caught a lot of big fish on it...
Not saying it can't be fished and fish can't be landed with standard 7' medium heavy graphite rod, but to say a HEAVY glass rod won't work doesn't seem right anymore.
ZB85 reply :
On 5/8/2014 at 1:52 AM, DTack said:He has been a big fan of the heavy glass rod for a while. Before using the Evergreen he had a rod made by Performance Tackle that was also a 7'4" medium-heavy/heavy glass model. He is definitely worth listening to when it comes to fishing a chatterbait or vibrating jig. The only caution I would throw out is that you may be looking at a heavy glass rod that is in fact HEAVY in your hand if you're not ponying up for a high priced rod.
Does the rod have to be a Heavy? Would a medium/heavy glass rod get the job done?
smalljaw67 reply :
I tried my 7' MH glass rod for chatterbaits and spinnerbaits and I didn't lose a single fish once it was hooked but I did miss 2 that hit in the grass and I never got the hook to penetrate. I'd say glass would be great if you are fishing bare banks, rock points and ledges but if you are going to in vegetation or wood then I wouldn't use it, just a little bit of grass was able to make a hook set a problem or me. The other issue is I just like the feel of graphite, when I stick a fish I know it is on but glass will work.
DTack reply :
On 5/8/2014 at 2:24 AM, ZB85 said:Does the rod have to be a Heavy? Would a medium/heavy glass rod get the job done?
I really can't make much recommendation. I haven't used a glass rod at all for it. I wouldn't personally be comfortable with one rated as MH, I think that is why he had some special made as Heavy and uses one rated as Heavy by Evergreen.
Teal reply :
I haven't seen Mr. Hite fish, so I can't comment but I have seen a 16 year old inexperienced angler catch 10 decent LMB with a shimano Clarus 6'8MH, F and he didn't miss or lose any. With a chattwrbait the weekend before last
I'm not here advocating a rod brand, I'm just saying, for these purposes why not get a rod Luke mentioned above that can be used for anything and will do well with most .... Ill save the cranking rods for cranking baits
einscodek reply :
I like a glass rod for cigar topwaters but otherwise like a flippin rod for quick hooksets.
DTack reply :
On 5/8/2014 at 1:34 AM, Teal said:People are getting too darn specialized.
Whatever happened to using a 7'MH or. 7M for anything ....
Glass rods ans Moderate fast graphites are too slow of a taper to quickly drive a big jig hook of a spinner bait or a chatter, jog or whatever... If u want a little more whip in the rod use a Med, but rod needs to be a xf or a fast tip
This a situation where a standard jig and worm rod...aka the modern bass rod would be fine. 7mh,f or xf
In the process of catching 7-9 lb fish regularly he probably started experimenting to find what works best for him with his system. Would a 7' MH work, I'm sure it would. Would it catch every fish? Doubt it. Would any rod for that matter? No. Does Brett Hite know more about catching 30+ lb limits on a chatterbait than I do? Absolutely. Will I listen to what he has to say? Yes, absolutely. Will I go out and buy an $800 imported rod because he says so? Absolutely not. Will I reconsider my rod choice the next time I lose a fish on a chatterbait? Likely.
Due to his success using a Glass rod and my success using a Moderate Fast graphite.. I don't believe they are too slow of a taper to quickly drive a big jig hook.
I DO NOT by any means think that a 7' MH rod will not catch chatterbait fish. Everyone is different, I think rod, reel, line and even hook can play a factor when hooking a fish and putting them in the boat.
For someone looking to use a rod for multiple techniques or baits, I think a 7'3-7'4 medium heavy to heavy action is an awesome choice!
iabass8 reply :
Here's what I was refering to:
http://dobynsrods.com/video/bladed-jigs-for-big-bass-using-the-705cb-glass/
I didn't like throwing chatterbaits on this rod. Love it for squarebills but still prefer the 734 for chatterbaits.
Grantman83 reply :
Gotta give me credit in that he has at least been consistent in what he likes. He must really let them eat it before setting the hook.
I've thrown them on the 734c with heavy mono/fluoro, dx 704 with 40lb braid and a custom 7'3MhM with 30lb braid.
I prefer the 734 most of the time as it is a rod with a very forgiving tip but a heck of amount of power. Combine that with some forgiving line and you can really let them eat it and still have the power to move them. In weeds, the dx704 and braid has less of a tip and the braid helps me rip them through easier.
I listened to Hite on the western bass podcast and he mentioned that guys on flw where throwing them on flipping sticks with 80lb braid in Florida and losing tons of fish. I think he goes glass because he wants the forgiveness in the rod as compared to guys who throw them like a jig and just wanna haul them in. Hence the heavy glass rod as opposed to a heavy flipping stick. I feel like the 734 is a good blend of both these attributes, heavy powe but forgiving enough. That's why it's so good for spinnerbaits and even large spooks.
Paul mueller used the 734 of chatterbaits at the classic and he had no problem catching the biggest day in classic history on it. Different strokes for different folks.
hatrix reply :
I will use a glass rod for a lot of jig hook type baits. The only stipulation is I have to be also using braided line. With sharp hooks and no stretch line I have no issues sticking fish. I made the switch a few years back because I would get super fast hard strike and no one would be home when I went for a hook set. I personally feel like when they slam into a moving bait on a F/XF graphite rod they feel it and spit it out right away.
Maybe it's just me be there is certain baits I prefer to use glass with that does not include treble hooks. If I am fishing grass I still use graphite so I can rip it free.
I use to have big issues with hook sets on grass minnows and weedless shads. I made the switch to glass spinning and braided line and I get them all now. Everything kind of went from there. I am just trying to give them more flex to really inhale the bait with little resistance while having no stretch line and still being able to drive a hook home with no issues.
shanksmare reply :
Brett Hite is probably the best chatterbait type fisherman on the planet. He has won close to a million dollars using this lure, so when he speaks, I listen. If you listen to what he says about CB fishing, he believes that a slower action glass or composite rod and flouro line with more than normal stretch are key for him. He believes the way the CB springs off of weeds when jerked using a glass rod is more strike enducing than when using a fast action graphite rod. He also believes that the slower action glass rod allows the bass to engulf the CB easier than a faster action rod. He states that worst combo is a graphite rod and braided line.
No less an authority than Rick Clunn also believes in using glass rods for all reaction type baits. He tried graphite rods and braid with reaction type lures but found it wound up costing him fish.
For close to forty years my most used lure for bass fishing has been the spinnerbait. Of late I have been using the chatterbait type lures and swim jigs with good results. I was using a moderately fast graphite rod and mono for a while. I then switched to braid and noticed I was missing quite a few hits. Lots of times I could see the fish hit the lure. It appeared that they were hitting short. I changed to a heavy action glass rod and mono line. My success with these lures has increases dramatically. I'm sure I was reacting too quickly, with the less forgiving tackle, and pulling the lure away from the bass before they had a chance to fully engulf it.
But its like anything else, use what works for you. I tend to listen to those who are successful at the highest level. It doesn't always work, but what does?
ZB85 reply :
On 5/8/2014 at 10:02 PM, shanksmare said:Brett Hite is probably the best chatterbait type fisherman on the planet. He has won close to a million dollars using this lure, so when he speaks, I listen. If you listen to what he says about CB fishing, he believes that a slower action glass or composite rod and flouro line with more than normal stretch are key for him. He believes the way the CB springs off of weeds when jerked using a glass rod is more strike enducing than when using a fast action graphite rod. He also believes that the slower action glass rod allows the bass to engulf the CB easier than a faster action rod. He states that worst combo is a graphite rod and braided line.
No less an authority than Rick Clunn also believes in using glass rods for all reaction type baits. He tried graphite rods and braid with reaction type lures but found it wound up costing him fish.
For close to forty years my most used lure for bass fishing has been the spinnerbait. Of late I have been using the chatterbait type lures and swim jigs with good results. I was using a moderately fast graphite rod and mono for a while. I then switched to braid and noticed I was missing quite a few hits. Lots of times I could see the fish hit the lure. It appeared that they were hitting short. I changed to a heavy action glass rod and mono line. My success with these lures has increases dramatically. I'm sure I was reacting too quickly, with the less forgiving tackle, and pulling the lure away from the bass before they had a chance to fully engulf it.
But its like anything else, use what works for you. I tend to listen to those who are successful at the highest level. It doesn't always work, but what does?
Brett Hite uses a $800 imported rod though. Are there any Heavy action glass rods on the market that are affordable?
ZB85 reply :
On 5/8/2014 at 7:54 PM, Grantman83 said:Gotta give me credit in that he has at least been consistent in what he likes. He must really let them eat it before setting the hook.
I've thrown them on the 734c with heavy mono/fluoro, dx 704 with 40lb braid and a custom 7'3MhM with 30lb braid.
I prefer the 734 most of the time as it is a rod with a very forgiving tip but a heck of amount of power. Combine that with some forgiving line and you can really let them eat it and still have the power to move them. In weeds, the dx704 and braid has less of a tip and the braid helps me rip them through easier.
I listened to Hite on the western bass podcast and he mentioned that guys on flw where throwing them on flipping sticks with 80lb braid in Florida and losing tons of fish. I think he goes glass because he wants the forgiveness in the rod as compared to guys who throw them like a jig and just wanna haul them in. Hence the heavy glass rod as opposed to a heavy flipping stick. I feel like the 734 is a good blend of both these attributes, heavy powe but forgiving enough. That's why it's so good for spinnerbaits and even large spooks.
Paul mueller used the 734 of chatterbaits at the classic and he had no problem catching the biggest day in classic history on it. Different strokes for different folks.
Is the 734 savvy the same as the 734 champion in regards to action, taper, etc?
iabass8 reply :
On 5/8/2014 at 10:54 PM, ZB85 said:Is the 734 savvy the same as the 734 champion in regards to action, taper, etc?
For the most part, yes.
The champ is a tad faster but its not something you would notice unless you used both.
I prefer the champ blank though
ZB85 reply :
On 5/8/2014 at 11:55 PM, iabass8 said:For the most part, yes.
The champ is a tad faster but its not something you would notice unless you used both.
I prefer the champ blank though
The champ is a little out of my price range so if i got one it would be the savvy
tbone1993 reply :
I use a 735c and I dont think it hurts at all. As long as you have a good chatterbait you will hook the fish. The original chatterbaits work but the hooks and bait keep suck. Better off with a d&m custom baits or something similar.
ZB85 reply :
On 5/9/2014 at 12:09 AM, tbone1993 said:I use a 735c and I dont think it hurts at all. As long as you have a good chatterbait you will hook the fish. The original chatterbaits work but the hooks and bait keep suck. Better off with a d&m custom baits or something similar.
Yea i really like the d&m piranhas. I don't have a problem with zman's hooks but i wish they would put bait keepers on them. I have a savvy 735 but its spooled with braid for frogs. Right now im using a 7'mh veritas for my chatterbaits. The rod works but its pretty stiff. I'm thinking about getting a savvy 734 but then i heard the interview with Hite and how he likes a heavy action glass rod. His is imported though and is crazy expensive.
JGBassinAL reply :
I would use whatever you feel comfortable with. I have always used a graphite rod and not had much trouble losing fish, but I have also not caught a fish over 4 lbs on a chatterbait until last night. I had caught several already, then right before dark I hooked up with a lmb between 9-10 lbs. He jumped up and stayed hooked, surged under the boat and stayed hook, then surged under the boat again and finally came off. I was using a 7'4" heavy/fast rod. Never again will I use a graphite rod for chatterbaits. Sure, a fast tip will drive the hook in the fishes lip, but when you get a big fish on and they surge under the boat you are more than likely going to lost that fish. I know for a fact that the more forgiving tip of a glass rod would have kept that fish pinned when he surged the second time. I am now having a 7'3" heavy glass rod made as we speak specifically for chatterbaits. BTW, my personal best is 6 lbs 6 oz, I wanted to cry. I 100% believe what Brett Hite says about using glass rods for chatterbaits, but I also understand that some people have never had a problem using graphite so why fix something that's not broken? But it's broken for me so now I'm fixing it. And ZB85, I can get one made for you at an incredible price!
ZB85 reply :
On 5/9/2014 at 1:01 AM, JGBassinAL said:I would use whatever you feel comfortable with. I have always used a graphite rod and not had much trouble losing fish, but I have also not caught a fish over 4 lbs on a chatterbait until last night. I had caught several already, then right before dark I hooked up with a lmb between 9-10 lbs. He jumped up and stayed hooked, surged under the boat and stayed hook, then surged under the boat again and finally came off. I was using a 7'4" heavy/fast rod. Never again will I use a graphite rod for chatterbaits. Sure, a fast tip will drive the hook in the fishes lip, but when you get a big fish on and they surge under the boat you are more than likely going to lost that fish. I know for a fact that the more forgiving tip of a glass rod would have kept that fish pinned when he surged the second time. I am now having a 7'3" heavy glass rod made as we speak specifically for chatterbaits. BTW, my personal best is 6 lbs 6 oz, I wanted to cry. I 100% believe what Brett Hite says about using glass rods for chatterbaits, but I also understand that some people have never had a problem using graphite so why fix something that's not broken? But it's broken for me so now I'm fixing it. And ZB85, I can get one made for you at an incredible price!
Can you PM me a price?
JGBassinAL reply :
PM sent ZB85!
shanksmare reply :
A rod is just basically a lever. I'm sure practically any rod will work. If you or I miss a fish or lose a fish its no big deal. On to the next one ... right! But for pros that lost or missed fish can cost them thousands of dollars.
I found a few glass rods online. W&M makes a Skeet Reese model, Lamiglass has an Excel, St Croix has a Mojo rod. Old time pro Tommy Martin endorses a Seeker glass rod. Shimano makes a composite rod using the TC4 technology found in the SW Teramar series. Mosat of those rods are in the $100 range. Some are listed as MH but have the same specs as the discontinued H action Rick Clunn W&M rod I have. I certainly won't be spending $800 anytime soon on a fiberglass rod (or any rod for that matter). Neither will I spend the money on the Sunline FC that Hite uses. Its one thing if someone is giving it to you and another if you have to pay for it yourself.
DTack reply :
On 5/9/2014 at 1:01 AM, JGBassinAL said:I would use whatever you feel comfortable with. I have always used a graphite rod and not had much trouble losing fish, but I have also not caught a fish over 4 lbs on a chatterbait until last night. I had caught several already, then right before dark I hooked up with a lmb between 9-10 lbs. He jumped up and stayed hooked, surged under the boat and stayed hook, then surged under the boat again and finally came off. I was using a 7'4" heavy/fast rod. Never again will I use a graphite rod for chatterbaits. Sure, a fast tip will drive the hook in the fishes lip, but when you get a big fish on and they surge under the boat you are more than likely going to lost that fish. I know for a fact that the more forgiving tip of a glass rod would have kept that fish pinned when he surged the second time. I am now having a 7'3" heavy glass rod made as we speak specifically for chatterbaits. BTW, my personal best is 6 lbs 6 oz, I wanted to cry. I 100% believe what Brett Hite says about using glass rods for chatterbaits, but I also understand that some people have never had a problem using graphite so why fix something that's not broken? But it's broken for me so now I'm fixing it. And ZB85, I can get one made for you at an incredible price!
Awesome post, exactly right no reason to fix something that's not broken. Couldn't agree more though, someone with Hite's success with a particular bait, when he talks, I'm listening. Another thing I noticed about him with his bait is he doesn't set the hook, just reels into them. Cool to watch!
DTack reply :
On 5/8/2014 at 7:54 PM, Grantman83 said:Gotta give me credit in that he has at least been consistent in what he likes. He must really let them eat it before setting the hook.
I've thrown them on the 734c with heavy mono/fluoro, dx 704 with 40lb braid and a custom 7'3MhM with 30lb braid.
I prefer the 734 most of the time as it is a rod with a very forgiving tip but a heck of amount of power. Combine that with some forgiving line and you can really let them eat it and still have the power to move them. In weeds, the dx704 and braid has less of a tip and the braid helps me rip them through easier.
I listened to Hite on the western bass podcast and he mentioned that guys on flw where throwing them on flipping sticks with 80lb braid in Florida and losing tons of fish. I think he goes glass because he wants the forgiveness in the rod as compared to guys who throw them like a jig and just wanna haul them in. Hence the heavy glass rod as opposed to a heavy flipping stick. I feel like the 734 is a good blend of both these attributes, heavy powe but forgiving enough. That's why it's so good for spinnerbaits and even large spooks.
Paul mueller used the 734 of chatterbaits at the classic and he had no problem catching the biggest day in classic history on it. Different strokes for different folks.
Great post, exactly right, different strokes for different folks! All depends on the overall system you're using I believe. Did you ever use your 7'3 custom with heavy mono/fluoro or just with the braid?
Definitely hard to argue with Mueller's success as well, what a stud. I haven't handled the rod Hite uses (probably never will) But I wonder how the action compares to the 734? Maybe they're actually really close, I really wouldn't be surprised.
DTack reply :
On 5/8/2014 at 10:54 PM, ZB85 said:Is the 734 savvy the same as the 734 champion in regards to action, taper, etc?
As was already answered, the Savvy is a bit slower in action. In this situation I believe it may actually make the rod closer to what you are looking for. In my opinion that rod would be a great choice and very versatile. The 735 Savvy may also be a good choice!
Either way, enjoy your new rod you choose, hope it helps you land more fish! And thanks for igniting the cool discussion.
JGBassinAL reply :
On 5/9/2014 at 2:07 AM, DTack said:Great post, exactly right, different strokes for different folks! All depends on the overall system you're using I believe. Did you ever use your 7'3 custom with heavy mono/fluoro or just with the braid?
Definitely hard to argue with Mueller's success as well, what a stud. I haven't handled the rod Hite uses (probably never will) But I wonder how the action compares to the 734? Maybe they're actually really close, I really wouldn't be surprised.
I know this post was not directed towards me but I have a 7'3" heavy glass rod being made right now so I will get it next week and take it out. I have used a champion 734 before so I will have a basis for comparison and I can let you know. I have 4 medium heavy glass rods already, all made by Scott Dobbins at Tigerodz, and the medium heavys are a good bit more moderate in action than the 734. I have two 7'10" for deep crankin and I actually use a 7'4" medium heavy glass rod for hollow bodied swimbaits with 20lb fluoro and have never had a problem setting the hook on them! I use glass for any kind of moving bait such as crankbaits, spinnerbats, swimbaits, topwaters, and now with chatterbaits. I use graphite for all bottom contact presentations. If anyone is interested in these custom rods give me a shout and I'll hook you up!
DTack reply :
On 5/9/2014 at 2:24 AM, JGBassinAL said:I know this post was not directed towards me but I have a 7'3" heavy glass rod being made right now so I will get it next week and take it out. I have used a champion 734 before so I will have a basis for comparison and I can let you know. I have 4 medium heavy glass rods already, all made by Scott Dobbins at Tigerodz, and the medium heavys are a good bit more moderate in action than the 734. I have two 7'10" for deep crankin and I actually use a 7'4" medium heavy glass rod for hollow bodied swimbaits with 20lb fluoro and have never had a problem setting the hook on them! I use glass for any kind of moving bait such as crankbaits, spinnerbats, swimbaits, topwaters, and now with chatterbaits. I use graphite for all bottom contact presentations. If anyone is interested in these custom rods give me a shout and I'll hook you up!
I think that would be helpful to some folks reading the thread. Thanks for posting!
hatrix reply :
I guess I am not the only one who like glass rods for things like chatterbaits. It all depends on the situation for me though. I really like throwing things like hollow bellies and swim jigs with them also. Maybe it is just a mental thing for me but I feel as if I don't end up thinking oh well it was a short strike and he never had the bait like I use to. They just seem to get it every time. I almost forgot it works great for me personally on buzzfrogs also like a Stanley Ribbit ect. Again I just feel like I stick a lot more fish and I don't need insane power to hook them.
To each there own I suppose.
frogflogger reply :
On 5/8/2014 at 8:10 PM, hatrix said:I will use a glass rod for a lot of jig hook type baits. The only stipulation is I have to be also using braided line. With sharp hooks and no stretch line I have no issues sticking fish. I made the switch a few years back because I would get super fast hard strike and no one would be home when I went for a hook set. I personally feel like when they slam into a moving bait on a F/XF graphite rod they feel it and spit it out right away.
Maybe it's just me be there is certain baits I prefer to use glass with that does not include treble hooks. If I am fishing grass I still use graphite so I can rip it free.
I use to have big issues with hook sets on grass minnows and weedless shads. I made the switch to glass spinning and braided line and I get them all now. Everything kind of went from there. I am just trying to give them more flex to really inhale the bait with little resistance while having no stretch line and still being able to drive a hook home with no issues.
gulfcaptain reply :
I believe the use of the glass rod is to let the fish eat it a bit longer before driving the hook home. I did the same thing for the A-rig, went to a MH crankbait rod as to let the fish eat the bait a bit longer and increased my hook up ratio quite a bit. Glass composite or straight glass just gives the fish a bit more time to close their mouths before hooking themselves. But everyone has their own techniques and ideas. Another issue is does everyone have the budget to have a rod for each technique, so a lot of rods serve double duty.
catch anything reply :
so do you use these composite rods for worms/senkos and stuff as well?
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