Completely Frustrated With Spinning Reel Line Loops 2024
georgeyew reply :
I am getting loops coming off my spinning reel on every cast and it is driving me crazy. I have tried Sufix Elite and Trilene XL in 8 and 10lb weight, and still getting loops every time. I think that I am putting the line on correctly. My bail spins counter clockwise, so I pull the line off in a counter clockwise from the spool. I even resorted to using the KVD line conditioner. I am getting loops even after treating the line over 3 consecutive nights. What am I doing wrong. I am considering switching to braid to get rid of the loops, but I am hesistant to pay the high price. Can anyone help?
kickerfish1 reply :
Asside from what you have done, perhaps the spool is a bit overfilled? Also if you close the bail of the reel manually, by hand, instead of relying on cranking the handle over to engage it, this will help a bit.
My tips for spinning reel frustration prevention are:
1. Spool the line to an 1/8 or 1/16th of an inch from the spool lip.
2. For a 2500 series reel or similar size, use 8# line give or take.
3. Use KVD line and lure as necessary for mono and floro
4. Spool the line on the reel properly
5. Close the bail by hand
6. Check the reel frequently for loops
tomustang reply :
Are you closing the bail by hand?
georgeyew reply :
Yes, I always close the bail by hand.
Scott F reply :
I can see by the photo that you have too much line on the spool. With mono or fluoro, leave 1/8 to 1/4 inch of the edge of the spool showing. Closing the bail by hand does not stop the problem by itself. After you close the bail, even if you do it by turning the handle, you have to pull on the line until it hits the line roller. Line memory and the springy qualities of mono were what caused me to switch to superlines.
Braid may be more expensive to purchase, but it lasts so much longer than mono, that in the long run, it's cheaper to use.
Koofy Smacker reply :
did you do this?
-put the filler spool on the ground, label up so the line comes off the spool counter clockwise. Reel under MODERATE pressure, not too tight that your squeezing and heating up the line, and not too light that it is loose on the spool?
If you do the above with a mono you should not have any problems given that it is fresh line and hasnt been sitting in heat or in direct sunlight. How long has it been on the reel for?
The Rooster reply :
I gave up on label up or label down positioning of the spool and I wind line on the same as on a baitcaster now.
islandbass reply :
I concur with ScottF. Looks might be deceiving as it is not a close up, but that looks like way too much line. The only time what you describe happens to me is when I over spool. I reckon that if you remove enough line to get to 1/8" from the spool, your "problem" will go away.
Darren. reply :
Agreed the line looks like too much wound on.
But you can also avoid line loops by using braid for your mainline instead of mono, fluoro, etc. Only looping I worry about is braid looping around my tip top. Other than that, management is a breeze so long as you don't over spool the line.
38 Super Fan reply :
Yup, you've definately overfilled it.
HeavyDluxe reply :
Edit: I hadn't looked at the image when I made my original post. The main problem here is an over-filled spool as others have noted. I'm removing my (off-topic) response.
Crookedneck reply :
A couple things
1.) I agree with the over filling.
2.) A couple things you can do
a.) If you fish off of a boat, remove the lure from your line. Open your bail and let all the line out as you slowly motor or troll. (hopefully in a low traffic area)
I usually let all the line out until there are a half a dozen wraps or so on the spool. After all the line is out, start reeling as normal. The tension on the line in the water will allow you to reel as normal. This should remove any coils, twist or loops.
b.) If you don't have a boat you can do the same thing on shore by tying a swivel on the end of the line. Attaching the swivel to something solid. Walk the line out and then reel it in as you walk back in keeping tension the whole time. This will allow any twist to be removed by the swivel
The first of these methods works the best in my opinion. I find I get alot of twist if I am using floro on spinning gear for drop shotting or if I am jigging vertically with a grub, if I don't have a swivel tied in some where.
Good luck!
SirSnookalot reply :
Not much to add to Scott F's opinion, except that I would troll my line out completely before I fished it. 2 separate issues that are not related, 1 being the line coiling that's seems to be the initial problem and Scott F's has recommended some helpful information, I would try soaking the line in hot water first and if needed at a later time just take your spool off and soak it, it takes less than 10 minutes.
2nd issue is line twist, closing the bail by hand is a smoother more natural operation IMO, but it only tightens the line to start cranking, you will get twist just by the line being wrapped around a fixed spool, nature of the beast. BB swivels may help a little, I've read using the the best ones in the smallest sizes, but I don't think it's a cure all as I use nothing but Sampo swivels and I still get twist. Ball chain swivels seem to work better than anything, I've tried them for bass fishing and the improvement was nil, other techniques and species I swear by them.
0119 reply :
Im not sure who makes the Avenger, Okuma I think. Do they offer some type of anti twist technology similar to Daiwa or shimano's? I suspect Okuma suggests in the reel manual to spool up much like they do. Line coming off the bottom of the spool from the spools side, not facing up in the traditional way. Im afraid you are going to always suffer from this situation because that model from Okuma has a small diameter spool which just promotes the coiling.
georgeyew reply :
Thanks for all the info. I will remove a little line from the spool and see if that will help. I was hoping that the KVD line conditioner would help since I've heard so many praises about it. But it doesn't seem to help in my situation.
Also, the line is fresh from Walmart, bought 3 days ago.
OkeechobeeAngler reply :
If your line is twisted when you put the kvd line conditioner on it will stay twisted. Got to get rid of loops.
jhoffman reply :
Im going to suggest going to a softer mono in a lighter lb test. My spinning reels are all running 8lb max but mostly 6lb seguar red label. Suffix, i love their braid but their heavy mono was a nightmare for me.
retiredbosn reply :
The reel in the pix is over filled
slonezp reply :
It's overfilled.
I saw KVD speak at the local fishing show. In addition to using his line conditioner, he recommends buying reels with oversized spools and filling them 1/2 to 3/4 full.
georgeyew reply :
I know that many of you have stated that the spool is over filled. Can you explain why that would cause loops in the line?
BigMoneyGrip reply :
I bad a Saros F and a St Croix Premier. I had troubles from day 1 and tried everything I could, nothing worked. I gave it away and bought another casting reel. That solved the problem!
Trackick9707 reply :
Over filling a spinning reel will cause loops because of line inertia. You cast, lure hits the water, momentum carries a few extra loops off of the spool, loops and wind knots galore. One thing that helped me is after closing the spool by hand, pull on the line a little bit and look for any loops that formed BEFORE beginning to reel. You'll be surprised how often you can get 1 small loop that you don't notice and on your next cast you'll feel the loop go through your guides, and then you're back to square one. It's almost like a backlash on a baitcaster, but not as dramatic. I hope that helps...
JimmyKing reply :
On 3/17/2013 at 12:57 PM, Crookedneck said:A couple things
1.) I agree with the over filling.
2.) A couple things you can do
a.) If you fish off of a boat, remove the lure from your line. Open your bail and let all the line out as you slowly motor or troll. (hopefully in a low traffic area)
I usually let all the line out until there are a half a dozen wraps or so on the spool. After all the line is out, start reeling as normal. The tension on the line in the water will allow you to reel as normal. This should remove any coils, twist or loops.
b.) If you don't have a boat you can do the same thing on shore by tying a swivel on the end of the line. Attaching the swivel to something solid. Walk the line out and then reel it in as you walk back in keeping tension the whole time. This will allow any twist to be removed by the swivel
The first of these methods works the best in my opinion. I find I get alot of twist if I am using floro on spinning gear for drop shotting or if I am jigging vertically with a grub, if I don't have a swivel tied in some where.
Good luck!
This method works for me.
shootermcbob reply :
I read where Gary Klein recommends stopping your cast (with a spinning reel) with your hand just BEFORE the lure hits the water....then closing the bail by hand and ensuring the line is on the line roller.
Stopping the lure just before it hits the water (at the reel with your hand) helps eliminate the problems discussed earlier regarding the inertia of the line coming off the spool.
I do it, and have not noticed any twist. At least not nearly as much as before. Certainly worth a try.
Marty reply :
I used 10# line on a Daiwa 2500 size reel without an abnormal number of loops. Trilene XL is a spinning-friendly line and I know of no reason for too many loops other than the overfilling. Another thing is to lift your rod tip just before starting your retrieve. That will straighten the line and minimize the chances of starting with a loop on the first couple of handle cranks.
Sherlock 60 reply :
In addition to all of the above:
1) tie on a small ball bearing swivel;
2) I have used a Berkley Portable Line Spooling Station for years and recommended it to one and all. Lots faster and you always have the line going on the correct way whether you are spooling up a baitcaster or a spinning reel.
georgeyew reply :
I have removed some line from the reel. Let's hope that it does the trick. I also sprayed it down with some KVD again. I'll report back tomorrow.
Hyrule Bass reply :
looks like too much line to me too, but aside from that, sometimes it just helps to get your line wet and put some tension on it
Jay Ell Gee reply :
On 3/18/2013 at 5:51 AM, shootermcbob said:I read where Gary Klein recommends stopping your cast (with a spinning reel) with your hand just BEFORE the lure hits the water....then closing the bail by hand and ensuring the line is on the line roller.
Stopping the lure just before it hits the water (at the reel with your hand) helps eliminate the problems discussed earlier regarding the inertia of the line coming off the spool.
I do it, and have not noticed any twist. At least not nearly as much as before. Certainly worth a try.
I don't know about Gary Klein, but I can say that I have used this method since day one with a spinning reel. It's a habit from learning on a baitcaster.
Sbennett9 reply :
The loop can be caused by a ton of different things most of which have been explained here. I ALWAYS line my rods under moderate pressure to ensure a tighter spool. I used to have this problem pretty frequently until i started to do that. another thing to pay attention to is what type of lure you are throwing. alot of lures can cause the line to twist and if it twists enough it causes problem in both the action and on your spool. A good way to check this is to hold the lure out of the water on about three feet of line out and see if it spins. Other than that it appears everything has been covered and you should be good.
Bankbeater reply :
On 3/17/2013 at 11:38 PM, BigMoneyGrip said:I bad a Saros F and a St Croix Premier. I had troubles from day 1 and tried everything I could, nothing worked. I gave it away and bought another casting reel. That solved the problem!
Sometimes there is something wrong with the reel. I had a sedona that twisted line like crazy. I tried putting line on it several different ways and no matter what I did the line twisted. After I put braid on it and that twisted I got rid of it and bought a new reel.
Marty reply :
QuoteSometimes there is something wrong with the reel. I had a sedona that
twisted line like crazy. I tried putting line on it several different
ways and no matter what I did the line twisted.
I never had a Sedona, but I had a few reels that induced twist and there was nothing I could do about it. My worst twist problems in 40+ years were caused by the reels.
Felix77 reply :
Mike Iaconelli has a finesse DVD which explains this. I couldn't find a clip online but something similar which explains the direction it should come off the spool. As already mentioned you should also use KVD line conditioner.
I actually wet a rag with the line conditioner and while I spool up my reel I make sure to run the line through the wet rag. This gives the line an initial coat of conditioner.
The last step is to make sure not to overfill. Something else already mentioned.
I used to deal with the worst loops. Getting a quality line and spooling it as mentioned above you should be good to go.
Good luck.
http://youtu.be/kwGSTZ-c4Rc
WRB reply :
I believe you have been given good advice. Looking at the photo of your reel spool it is over filled and the line coming off the spool is twisted and twist can cause loops. Line twists occurs because the spool is stationary and the line gets wrapped around it without being able to rotate. This happens when you spool the line and hold the line tightly between your finger tips. Twists also occurs if the line comes off the filler spool incorrectly. You can tell if line is coming off the filler wrong by watching the line; if it coils between the spool and rod tip, it is coming off incorrectly.
When you over fill the spool the lines memory causes it to spring off the spool, line should not fall off on it's own when you open the bail!
Running the line behind a boat moving slowly without anything tied on the end, allows the line to untwist, then winding the line back onto the reel without adding additional finger pressure, the line will respooled correctly. You need to do this periodically.
Tom
PS; TangleFree line conditioner is great at reducing line memory and provides lubrication.
roadwarrior reply :
Here is a simple solution: Take advantage of the Tuf-Line $4.99 special.
#10 SuperCast has a .005" diameter and 16 lb breaking strength.
http://www.tuf-line.com/products_Tuf-Lines_23.html
georgeyew reply :
Thanks everyone for their input. I have tried everything that was suggested and the loops are still there. I was really hoping that the KVD line conditioner would help...I'm a bit disappointed.
I am going to head over to Dicks and see if they have a special spooling process that would resolve this. Or if anyone is local to me and would be willing to help, that would be much appreciated as well.
Roadwarrior, I did place my order for the Tuf-Line, still waiting for it in the mail.
georgeyew reply :
I contacted the mfg of the KVD LL Conditioner about my situation. Here is Isaac's reply:
"I confirmed with Rob that some mono lines just don't respond well to
Line and Lure. Most co-polymer and fluorocarbon line do however. We
know that P-Line works really well as well as the braided lines. Hope
this helps."
So would I have better luck if I switched over to Yo-Zuri Hybrid and used the KVD LL Conditioner?
I have a little bit of PLine left on a spool. I will try it out tonight to see if the conditioner makes the line limp.
11justin22 reply :
No line conditioner will not take care of loops. They are caused from twist not stiffness.
avinashbhujan reply :
I had a big ugly nest stretching almost 15 meters on my Suffix line. I tried to remove it at home by handpicking knot by knot. Each time I removed a knot, more nesting would form on the line I had just unwinded. I eventually ran out of patience.
Then someday early morning I went to the sea with it and found a spot where the water current was slow. Then I started the same process, this time drowning the line as I unwinded it. This was too easy and greatly prevented more nesting and I was done in about 20 minutes for all of the 15 meters of bird nest. No need for a boat!
optimator reply :
On 3/18/2013 at 5:51 AM, shootermcbob said:I read where Gary Klein recommends stopping your cast (with a spinning reel) with your hand just BEFORE the lure hits the water....then closing the bail by hand and ensuring the line is on the line roller.
Stopping the lure just before it hits the water (at the reel with your hand) helps eliminate the problems discussed earlier regarding the inertia of the line coming off the spool.
I do it, and have not noticed any twist. At least not nearly as much as before. Certainly worth a try.
That's how I do it too. I just kinda feather the line with my off hand at the end of a cast.
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