Hey friends,
Im looking for a new rod. I already have a Veritas 2.0 from A. Garcia. Mainly, I'm fishing from the bank so, I need a light rod so I can carry it all day. The Veritas I have is a medium, but for this new rod I would like a medium heavy. The price I'm targeting is less than $150, any recommendations?
I have a 15 year old 7' Falcon Lowrider that's still the lightest I have. Extremely sensitive too for about $129 regular price. But I bought it used for $50 from a guy who was raising money for a custom motorcycle build. I know there are better rods, but this is by far my best. If you go on their site, they list specific uses for each rod so you'll get the one you need.
My lightest rod is a Falcon Bucoo. Barely feels like there is anything in my hand. Seriously. Great, super sensitive rod.
On 9/28/2015 at 7:52 PM, lecisnith said:My lightest rod is a Falcon Bucoo. Barely feels like there is anything in my hand. Seriously. Great, super sensitive rod.
The BuCoo looks like a great bargain in its price range. The only drawback to me is the EVA grip. I don't own any bass rods with them and I'm not sure how I'll like it.
On 9/28/2015 at 8:36 PM, the reel ess said:The BuCoo looks like a great bargain in its price range. The only drawback to me is the EVA grip. I don't own any bass rods with them and I'm not sure how I'll like it.
One: it was an even better bargain because I got it at the garage sale of a DNR officer's widow for $25. Two: I don't really notice much difference in performance and sensitivity from my cork grip rods. Three: I'm not precisely sure what the difference in EVA and cork grips other than aesthetics and maybe comfort.
X2 for bucoo or lowrider. I have 6 bucoos and 2 lowriders and they are amazing. The eva handles on the bucoos are real comfortable. I dont see a difference from cork
If the rod weight is your priority what weight are you looking for, under 4 oz? What reel is matched with this new rod? Replies should include actual rod weight in grams to be objective.On 9/28/2015 at 1:55 PM, JazzPipes said:Hey friends,
Im looking for a new rod. I already have a Veritas 2.0 from A. Garcia. Mainly, I'm fishing from the bank so, I need a light rod so I can carry it all day. The Veritas I have is a medium, but for this new rod I would like a medium heavy. The price I'm targeting is less than $150, any recommendations?
1 once = 28.35 grams.
Tom
For that price range, Fenwick Elite Techs and BPS Carbonlite. I do agree what Tom states too.
honestly, any rod in the $100 - $150 range should be plenty light enough to carry around all day.
sensitivity and durability would be my primary factors and that would leave me looking at the *** black gen 2 rods.
A MH Tatula weighs less than 4 oz. If you want crazy light, you'll have to spend some more cash on something with Titanium guides.
On 9/28/2015 at 11:16 PM, poisonokie said:A MH Tatula weighs less than 4 oz. If you want crazy light, you'll have to spend some more cash on something with Titanium guides.
Post the actual weight!
If you like the Abu brand check out the veracity. Very light, strong, titanium micro guides, etc. Right at $150. Aesthetically pleasing, and I actually prefer the foam grips.
On 9/29/2015 at 12:20 AM, WRB said:Post the actual weight!
http://tackletour.com/reviewdaiwatatularod.html
I just know the 7'2" heavy/fast is 4 oz, so it stands to reason that the 7'1" mh rods are a bit lighter. I think the 7'6" heavy/fast is about 4.5 oz and the 7'7" glass is about 5.5.
The only downside to that weight savings is that the rods are a tad tip heavy from the SS guides (I'm guessing) and it helps to have a heavier reel to balance it out. It just so happens that the tatula reels do just that.
My point is if you can recommend a light weight rod you should own it and be able to actually weigh it!
To be accurate in the weight should be in grams or fractions of an once if "the lightest weight rods" is a criteria.
4 oz isn't under 4 oz. what you will find its very little publish actual rod weights, this requires weighing the rods you own. How about guys, list the rods ,you recommend with actual weights! Should an interesting list.
Tom
The St Croix Rage rods are still on sale in their online Bargain Room for $89 bucks. Those things are pretty dang light, but you need to like microguides and their grip is a neoprene skin of sorts, not EVA or cork.
On 9/29/2015 at 12:50 AM, WRB said:My point is if you can recommend a light weight rod you should own it and be able to actually weigh it!
To be accurate in the weight should be in grams or fractions of an once if "the lightest weight rods" is a criteria.
4 oz isn't under 4 oz. what you will find its very little publish actual rod weights, this requires weighing the rods you own. How about guys, list the rods ,you recommend with actual weights! Should an interesting list.
Tom
Okay, but a shorter lighter action rod is going to be less massive. I don't see the problem here. Some of you guys really need to learn to relax, though, I know that.
If you are just going to be carrying one rod than i dont think weight would be a real issue. Unless its an ugly stik
Hair splitting abounds
I have the one very good (for me) combo, but I catch most of my fish on two much cheaper combos with Lightning Rods.
The OP's current rod is 6'6", weight is 4 oz, he wants a rod that is lighter weight under $150.
Hoping some of you would weigh your rod and post them, weight data is difficult to find.
The lightest rod I could find was Okuma Helios HS-CM-701M, 7' casting rod @ 3.4 oz...very light rod, however $170 or ($134 Amazon) Anyone know of a lighter MH casting 6'6" to 7' casting rod, post it. HS-CM-701MH = medium heavy.
My jig/worm casting rods are 6'10", 5 power with a foregrip and weigh 3.8 oz, custom built and not close to the OP's price point.
Tom
On 9/29/2015 at 3:02 AM, poisonokie said:Okay, but a shorter lighter action rod is going to be less massive. I don't see the problem here. Some of you guys really need to learn to relax, though, I know that.
You would think that is true but I remember someone posting that their longer NRX was lighter than their shorter NRX. What Tom is worked up about is people ask for recommendations for a rod or reel and A LOT of guys here give opinions on rods and reels that they have never even touched and yet they are recommending that particular rod or reel for purchase. I know that I am guilty of that in the past but I do not do it anymore.
Here is s bunch of rod weights that was done on TT
Manufacturers Model Power Action Length Weight in oz Weight in g Model Year
I would worry less about overall rod weight and worry more about making sure it's balanced properly with the reel size/line you have paired with it. You can have the lightest rod on the list but if you pair it with the wrong reel where the fulcrum is in the wrong spot, your shoulder will feel like it will fall off after casting all day.
On 9/29/2015 at 6:44 AM, blckshirt98 said:I would worry less about overall rod weight and worry more about making sure it's balanced properly with the reel size/line you have paired with it. You can have the lightest rod on the list but if you pair it with the wrong reel where the fulcrum is in the wrong spot, your shoulder will feel like it will fall off after casting all day.
Completely agree. Best advice I've read in this thread so far. To the OP, what type of reel are you using? (i.e. graphit/carbon, alumnum, magnesium etc.)
Rich in Co, that is a long list and a lot of effort to post, thank you.
The OP indicates his price point is $150 or less, he didn't indicate the rod length however his current medium rod is 6'6" bait casting that weighs 4 oz from the model referenced.
If you remove all the spinning rods, rods over $150, rods other than MH or 3 to 4 power between 6'6" to 7', and rods not available today, that leaves....a few choices to look into for the OP.
Tom
This was in interesting spin out. It does bring to light only a few really look into the rod specs when making a purchase and the others would be more happy buying off recommendation tallys. I liked the comment about being balanced. If you take some time on tackle tour and read reviews on rods and make a educated choice in the area of weight you want to be in and mate that with a reel that for lack of better terms dissappears onto your new stick you are going to be really happy fishing it all day.
Every angler has thier own idea what feels right to them and should, if possible, try mounting the reel they plan to use on the new rod they plan to purchase with a casting plug that represents the average weight lure they use.
If you look back at my 1st reply, #7, questioned the OP what reel did he plan to use to give some thought to balance. As long as the weight of the reel doesn't exceed about 2X the rod weight ( 4 oz 7' rod with 8 oz reel), it should be OK.
Waiting for a reply from the OP, otherwise I am done with thread.
Tom
I own and have weighed these as my lightweight rods bought under $150 new
For WRB weighed on calibrated certified scales the lab has where I work.
Gen 1---Quantum Smoke 7' Medium Fast 1/4-3/4 lure rating 3.439ounces- 97.522grams have good balance even with a Core50 5.5oz reel can be bought for around $100 still
Okuma Helios 7' MH Fast 1/4-1oz lure rating 3.54098ounces- 100.385grams can be found around $130-$140.
Helios definitely has more power for just a tick more weight.
i like the posting of rod weights !! makes me feel good about my rod being pretty light for what it is , a Rainshadow RX8 XMB 944.5 - 7'10'' heavy/fast that comes in at 4.75 oz. & with my Lew's Tournament Lite (Revo large eva grips, 95 mm carbon handle and a spool full of 14 lb. sniper ) the combo comes in at 11 oz. even ....
On 9/29/2015 at 10:47 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:I own and have weighed these as my lightweight rods bought under $150 new
For WRB weighed on calibrated certified scales the lab has where I work.
Gen 1---Quantum Smoke 7' Medium Fast 1/4-3/4 lure rating 3.439ounces- 97.522grams have good balance even with a Core50 5.5oz reel can be bought for around $100 still
Okuma Helios 7' MH Fast 1/4-1oz lure rating 3.54098ounces- 100.385grams can be found around $130-$140.
Helios definitely has more power for just a tick more weight.
I have a Smoke rod, a 7'MH-F and it is 3.7oz on my postal scale and the rod is not only light but very sensitive and the power is freaky considering how light it is. For the price they are hard to beat and often over looked, my buddy hates Quantum and cusses at me to this day because he had to get one after using mine.
G
On 9/29/2015 at 9:19 AM, WRB said:Every angler has thier own idea what feels right to them and should, if possible, try mounting the reel they plan to use on the new rod they plan to purchase with a casting plug that represents the average weight lure they use.
If you look back at my 1st reply, #7, questioned the OP what reel did he plan to use to give some thought to balance. As long as the weight of the reel doesn't exceed about 2X the rod weight ( 4 oz 7' rod with 8 oz reel), it should be OK.
Waiting for a reply from the OP, otherwise I am done with thread.
Tom
Hey Tom, thanks a lot for the insights and the energy to help me. Sorry for taking so long, my internet has been acting up.
I intend to pair it with a BPS Pro Qualifier. I know its not the lightest reel out there but this is what I have with me right now. I will upgrade the reel in the future. Any suggestion on the reel also?
On 9/29/2015 at 10:47 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:I own and have weighed these as my lightweight rods bought under $150 new
For WRB weighed on calibrated certified scales the lab has where I work.
Gen 1---Quantum Smoke 7' Medium Fast 1/4-3/4 lure rating 3.439ounces- 97.522grams have good balance even with a Core50 5.5oz reel can be bought for around $100 still
Okuma Helios 7' MH Fast 1/4-1oz lure rating 3.54098ounces- 100.385grams can be found around $130-$140.
Helios definitely has more power for just a tick more weight.
That Quantum is looking good to me, how do you think the combo will workout with a BPS pro qualifier?
JazzPipes,
Thank you for coming back.
Your Pro Qualifier weighs 8.8 oz, less line, the Quantum Smoke 6.7 oz, nearly 2 oz difference and would be a better choice with the new lightweight rod, the Q Smoke or Okuma Helios MH 7' referenced.
Putting a light weight reel on a heavier rod ends up being tip heavy and out of balance, the heavier reel on a lightvweight rod will be OK, it just defeats your goal of a light weight outfit.
Quake n Shake went out of his way to weigh rods accurately, Rich in Co's long list both very helpful.
Good luck with your rod (hopefully reel very soon).
Tom
You still need to check the balance of the setup. Then add weight to the butt of the rod or swap reels till it balanced. For any newbies the balance matters when we all handle the rod with one hand in casting or reeling. Like Tom said it can be nose heavy. Then we're fighting it.
On 9/30/2015 at 4:06 AM, WRB said:JazzPipes,
Thank you for coming back.
Your Pro Qualifier weighs 8.8 oz, less line, the Quantum Smoke 6.7 oz, nearly 2 oz difference and would be a better choice with the new lightweight rod, the Q Smoke or Okuma Helios MH 7' referenced.
Putting a light weight reel on a heavier rod ends up being tip heavy and out of balance, the heavier reel on a lightvweight rod will be OK, it just defeats your goal of a light weight outfit.
Quake n Shake went out of his way to weigh rods accurately, Rich in Co's long list both very helpful.
Good luck with your rod (hopefully reel very soon).
Tom
Hey Tom,
I thought the Smoke weighted around 3.5oz Where did I loose you on the math? I know man, my reel is big, what reels would you suggest for a rod between 3.5 and 4oz (probably around 7ft) I believe my budget would be 250
On 9/30/2015 at 4:20 AM, bigbill said:You still need to check the balance of the setup. Then add weight to the butt of the rod or swap reels till it balanced. For any newbies the balance matters when we all handle the rod with one hand in casting or reeling. Like Tom said it can be nose heavy. Then we're fighting it.
That is a totally new concept for me. I had no idea that balance mattered so much. Thanks for helping!
On 9/29/2015 at 5:42 AM, Rich in Co said:
Here is s bunch of rod weights that was done on TT
Manufacturers Model Power Action Length Weight in oz Weight in g Model Year
2Abu Vendetta M 6’3 4.4 oz 125g. 20103ABU Vengeance MH Fast 7’6 6.9 oz 196g. 20104ABU Garcia Vengeance MH 7’8 6.0 oz 170g. 20105ABU Garcia Vengeance VGC66-7 6.1 oz 173g.6Airrus Co-Matrix 457 M M-F 7’0 5.2 oz 146g.7Berkley Cherrywood (2-piece) M M-F 6’0 3.2 oz 90g. 20048Berkley AMP M 5’6 3.7 oz 105g. 20109Berkley Canadian Specialist MH M-F 6’8 4.8 oz 135g. 200510Berkley Lightning Shock MH Fast 7’0 5.0 oz 142g.11BOF Custom (2-piece) L 7’0 3.5 oz 100g. 200912BPS Carbonlite MH Fast 7’0 4.5 oz 127g. 201013BPS Tourney Special M 8’6 7.4 oz 210g. 200114Cabelas XMLti XMLTI69DS 6’9 4.0 oz 115g.15Cabelas XML 703 MH 7’0 5.5 oz 155g.16Daiwa Steez MH Fast 6’3 3.4 oz 97g.17Daiwa TriForce-Z (org 120g.) ML Mod 6’6 3.7 oz 105g. 200518Daiwa TriForce M 5’6 3.9 oz 110g. 200519Daiwa TDZL701MXB M Action 7' 4.2 oz20Daiwa Megaforce M 6’0 4.4 oz 124g. 200221Daiwa Sol M Fast 6’6 4.5 oz 127g.22Daiwa Procaster MH 6’6 5.1 oz 145g. 201023Daiwa Mike Iaconelli M 7’8 5.5 oz 155g.24Daiwa Steez Werewolf M 6’6 3.3 oz 94g. 201025Daiwa TDZL701MHFB MH Fast 7’0 4.3 oz 122g.26Damiki M Fast 6’6 4.2 oz 120g. 201027Damiki Angel EX (2-piece) MH X-F 6’6 4.4 oz 125g. 201028Dobyns DX701C L Fast 7' 119g.29Dobyns 734C G2 4.9 oz 140g.30Dobyns 704CB glass G2 4.6 oz 130g.31Dobyns 704CB 4.8 oz 145g.32Dobyns 705CB 4.9 oz 140g.33Dobyns DX744 5.2 oz 146g.34Dobyns 705CB glass G2 5.4 oz 153g.35Dobyns 735C G2 5.4 oz 153g.36Falcon Cara CC-6-1610S 3.8 oz 109g.37Falcon Cara 3 Mod 6’6 4.2 oz 120g. 200438Falcon Cara T7 MH Fast 6’6 3.5 oz 100g.39Fenwick Techna AV M 6’0 3.8 oz 109g. 200740Fenwick Walleye Class M Mod 6’6 3.9 oz 110g. 200741Fenwick HMG Graphite M Fast 6’0 4.1 oz 117g. 200242Frontier MBR783 MH 6’6 4.3 oz 122g. 200743G-Blank Custom Shikari SHX L Mod 6’10 2.9 oz 83g. 200344G.Loomis CBR781 Bronzeback ML Mod 6’6 3.6 oz 102g. 200845G.Loomis BCR GLX 802 M X-F 6’8 3.8 oz 109g.46G.Loomis MBR IMX 782 M Fast 6’6 4.0 oz 115g.47G.Loomis BCR GLX 803 MH X-F 6’8 4.1 oz 117g.48G.Loomis CB 847 Custom H ModF 7’0 4.1 oz 117g.49G.Loomis SMR 814 CB MH ModF 6’9 4.1 oz 117g.50G.Loomis BSR GLX 852 M Fast 7’1 4.3 oz 121g.51G.Loomis MBR GLX 843 MH Fast 7’0 4.3 oz 121g.52G.Loomis GLX BCR853 MH 7’1 4.5 oz 127g.53G.Loomis MBR GLX 844 H Fast 7’0 4.6 oz 130g.54G.Loomis BCR 893 GLX MH X-F 7’5 4.9 oz 140g.55G.Loomis BCR GLX 875 MagH Fast 7’3 5.0 oz 142g.56G.Loomis 842 GLX M Fast 7’0 4.1 oz 117g.57G.Loomis IMX MBR783C MH 6’6 4.3 oz 122g.58G.Loomis CBR845C H 7’1 4.6 oz 130g.59G.Loomis SBR813C 4.7 oz 134g.60G.Loomis NRX802C 97g.61G.Loomis NRX893C 113g.62Kistler Custom IM7 (2-piece) ML Fast 7’0 3.7 oz 105g. 200763Kistler Z-Bone Custom Micro H 7’0 4.0 oz 114g. 201064Kistler Z-Bone MH 8’0 4.1 oz 117g. 201065Kistler Magnesium Micro M 7’0 4.3 oz 122g. 201066Kistler LTX II MH Fast 6’9 4.5 oz 127g.67Kistler LTX M 7’0 4.5 oz 127g. 201068Kistler LTX H 7’0 4.5 oz 127g. 201069Kistler LTA H 7’0 4.5 oz 127g. 201070Kistler Magnesium Micro MH 7’0 4.6 oz 130g. 201071Kistler LTA H 7’6 5.0 oz 142g. 201072Kistler Magnesium H 7’0 5.3 oz 150g. 201073Kistler Magnesium XH 7’0 5.4 oz 153g. 201074Kistler Magnesium Specialty H 7’8 6.3 oz 179g. 201075Kistler Helium APC MH 6’9 3.6 oz 102g. 200576Kistler Helium XH 7’0 5.5 oz 155g. 200877Lamiglas XCF705R glass 5.7 oz 162g.78Lamiglas SR765R 6.3 oz 179g.79Powell Max 703C MH X-F 7’0 3.9 oz 110g.80Powell Max 702MLEF 7’0 3.3 oz 94g.81Powell Max Glass 754CB 7.2 oz 204g.82Quantum IM6 (2-piece) M Mod 6’0 2.9 oz 83g. 199883Quantum Affinity M 6’0 4.1 oz 117g. 200384Quantum Biffle H X-F 6’10 4.5 oz 127g.85Quantum Smoke M F 7' 3.4 oz 201186Rapala Sportmen HM-30 M 6’0 4.0 oz 114g. 200687Rapala R-Type M Fast 6’2 4.0 oz 115g. 201088Rapala Sportsmen IM-6 M 6’6 5.2 oz 146g. 199989Shakespeare Agility (custom 2-piece) UL 7’0 3.9 oz 110g. 200890Shakespeare Intrepid (2-piece) MH 6’6 4.2 oz 120g. 200591Shakespeare Agility (org) UL 7’0 4.8 oz 135g. 200792Shakespeare Intrepid (T) MH 7’6 6.0 oz 170g. 200493Shimano Crucial Dropshot M Fast 6’6 3.5 oz 100g.94Shimano Compre CPS-X60MA 6’0 3.6 oz 102g.95Shimano Crucial M Mod 6’6 3.6 oz 102g. 200896Shimano Crucial CRS-66M 6’6 3.7 oz 105g.97Shimano Crucial CRS-X63M 6’3 3.7 oz 105g.98Shimano Cumara M X-F 6’8 3.9 oz 110g. 201099Shimano Cumara MH Fast 6’8 3.9 oz 110g. 2010100Shimano Compre CPS-X66MB 6’6 3.9 oz 110g.
Absolutely awesome list! I will check those for sure! thanks a lot man!
The rod does weigh 3.5 oz, The smoke reel weighs 6.7 oz!On 9/30/2015 at 5:14 AM, JazzPipes said:Hey Tom,
I thought the Smoke weighted around 3.5oz Where did I loose you on the math? I know man, my reel is big, what reels would you suggest for a rod between 3.5 and 4oz (probably around 7ft) I believe my budget would be 250
The balance is usually weighed with the reel mounted on the rod, the fulcrum balance point being the reel front foot or or rod lock nut area on the rod. This is a personal balance point, you may like a little different.
I have never understood rod butt weights, it's a band aide for unbalanced outfits...why buy a light weight rod and add weights? I know some pro's do this for jerk bait rods to help pivot the rod in the hand. To me a balanced outfit doesn't need any weight added.
Tom
It depends on how tired you feel after making 1,000 casts, to balance or not to balance. Good to check it anyway. To me the rod weight wasn't that important. The balance is more important. I make sure my setups are spot on anyway. There more comfortable.On 9/30/2015 at 5:15 AM, JazzPipes said:That is a totally new concept for me. I had no idea that balance mattered so much. Thanks for helping!
Can some over reel a rod? I find on spinning rods a #30 reel can be way off. A #25 or #20 reel can be spot on. At the same time were matching the reel size to the rod. I'm finding between the brand's it's easy to miss match the reel.
I want the setup to be comfortable too. I want the best performance too.
I'm not a pro nor claim to be but I'm serious and have the heart of a pro.
Exercise is the key to lasting.
On 9/30/2015 at 5:30 AM, WRB said:The rod does weigh 3.5 oz, The smoke reel weighs 6.7 oz!
The balance is usually weighed with the reel mounted on the rod, the fulcrum balance point being the reel front foot or or rod lock nut area on the rod. This is a personal balance point, you may like a little different.
I have never understood rod butt weights, it's a band aide for unbalanced outfits...why buy a light weight rod and add weights? I know some pro's do this for jerk bait rods to help pivot the rod in the hand. To me a balanced outfit doesn't need any weight added.
Tom
Thanks Tom!
On 9/30/2015 at 5:32 AM, bigbill said:It depends on how tired you feel after making 1,000 casts, to balance or not to balance. Good to check it anyway. To me the rod weight wasn't that important. The balance is more important. I make sure my setups are spot on anyway. There more comfortable.
Can some over reel a rod? I find on spinning rods a #30 reel can be way off. A #25 or #20 reel can be spot on. At the same time were matching the reel size to the rod. I'm finding between the brand's it's easy to miss match the reel.
I want the setup to be comfortable too. I want the best performance too.
Exercise is the key to lasting.
Man, Ill tell you... 1000 casts? Would make me cry. Im such a light weight. A fishing session (from the bank) usually lasts 4 hours to me. I walk a lot, change lures, walk some more, refill the water bottle... Maybe I get 600 casts in that time? I dont know, but what I do know is that after a focused session, Im SUPER tired. My arms wont kill me but they feel very heavy. Is that normal for you too?
Change reels out till it's balanced,
Back when I fished 24/7 for over three months straight I swear my knuckles would drag on the ground the first few trips when I left. I use lures only even to this day. Constantly casting is one Heck of a upper body workout.
Start counting your casts you maybe surprised.
Off top a cast and retrieve pace of 1 per minute is too fast for every hour you are on the water.
60 casts per hour X 10 hours = 600 casts without stopping.
Tom
On 9/30/2015 at 1:57 AM, JazzPipes said:That Quantum is looking good to me, how do you think the combo will workout with a BPS pro qualifier?
If you mean the Medium it would balance very well but may not have the power you are wanting. I had a Veritas 1.0 M/F micro guide rod and if you want more power than your M/F Veritas 2.0 the Medium/fast Quantum Smoke wont have it. It seems to have more power than many other Medium rated rods but not the Veritas. This is another area that isnt standardized, company A's medium not the same as company B's medium. The Medium Heavy Fast Smoke like Smalljaw67 has may work better.
I have a 6'9" MH Smoke and its quite stiff for it's rating imo. It is very light. I balance all of mine pretty much at the reel seat before I even add the reel. The difference between a bottom contact setup and a cranking setup is the weight of another quarter or so for me. I don't understand why people see an issue with putting weights at the rod butt. Whats the difference between that and using a heavier reel? You are still adding weight to your setup. Most of your top of the line reels these days are under 6-7oz. Of course, all the balancing talk is just personal preference.
If you want a light rod that's well balanced, check out Dobyns, I've got a rod from each of their levels, $100-$350 and they start light and just get lighter and lighter. You might want to check out their Savvy or Fury series.