Filppin & Pitchin Rod? 2024

HOIST-N-HAWGS reply :

If money wasn't an issue, what would you consider to the best F & P rod on the market for yankin-em out of the junk. Looking for the apex of attributes, Interested in a split grip stick in the 7'4" to 7'6" range, mostly because it can be a bit challenging using anything longer out of a small Jon boat.

Thanks in advance for your input. :wink2:

rockchalk06 reply :

Even if money wasn't an option I can't ever see spending more than 100-150 on a rod period. I use a 7'11" H/F Veritas. Can't think of a better rod for the pitching I do.

ww2farmer reply :

Money no issue = Custom built 7'11" H/MF St Croix SCV flipping stick, for flipping, and a 7'6" MH/MF St Croix SCV for pitching.

iabass8 reply :

On 11/4/2012 at 9:13 PM, ww2farmer said:

Money no issue = Custom built 7'11" H/MF St Croix SCV flipping stick, for flipping, and a 7'6" MH/MF St Croix SCV for pitching.

100% this. If money isn't an issue, the SCV blank is about as good as it gets for custom rod building. Contact Mattman at otterods. He will build you a thing of beauty on that blank for a little more than the cost of the actual St. Croix Xtreme flipping stick.

Hooligan reply :

One of finest flip sticks, better in my opinion than the option mentioned, is the Dobyns DX795. It's got all the right attributes for the perfect flip stick. I don't much like dobyns rods, but this one is done superbly well.

SoFlaBassAddict reply :

On 11/4/2012 at 10:56 PM, Hooligan said:

One of finest flip sticks, better in my opinion than the option mentioned, is the Dobyns DX795. It's got all the right attributes for the perfect flip stick.

Either the 795 or the 745. Both are excellent sticks.

HOIST-N-HAWGS reply :

Thanks for your input gents!

bassandcats reply :

would a 7'2" work for pitching? mh fast

J Francho reply :

On 11/4/2012 at 9:13 PM, ww2farmer said:

Money no issue = Custom built 7'11" H/MF St Croix SCV flipping stick

I've used the Legend Extreme production version of this blank, and it is one heck of a stick. It's a little more "tippy" than you'd expect, but with all that length, it's a beast.

I have one Dobyns rod, a 745C Champ Extreme, and it is really ideal for pitching jigs. A little longer, but not too long, and super fast tip that loads easily.

J Francho reply :

On 11/6/2012 at 8:24 PM, bassandcats said:

would a 7'2" work for pitching? mh fast

I pitch with every single rod in my arsenal. It's just a cast. Learn to pitch with all your rods, and you will see what a handy skill it is. Especially if you're in the back of the boat.

bass1980 reply :

Just wondering why pitching flipping rods tend to be longer? I thought the norm was shorter the more accurate? I have yet to learn how to use this technique properly lol.

J Francho reply :

Pitching technique uses the rod tip as a fulcrum. The longer the rod, the more line out, and more leverage to sling the bait. That said, once you're proficient, length doesn't matter as much. Flipping, on the other hand, almost requires a longer rod. You're using a fixed amount of line out, and a longer rod can give you an extra foot or two of range.

piscicidal reply :

That Dobyns 745DX is awesome for jigs!

I use the Dobyns 805C FLIP/PITCH for 3/4 - 1oz flipping/pitching and the Dobyns 766SS FLIP/PITCH for 1.25 - 1.5oz. All of these rods have full cork, though, and you mentioned preferring the split grip.

Dwight Hottle reply :

On 11/6/2012 at 11:46 PM, J Francho said:

Pitching technique uses the rod tip as a fulcrum. The longer the rod, the more line out, and more leverage to sling the bait. That said, once you're proficient, length doesn't matter as much. Flipping, on the other hand, almost requires a longer rod. You're using a fixed amount of line out, and a longer rod can give you an extra foot or two of range.

Like J said size does matter.

HookSetDon reply :

Longer the rod the better for line movement when you set the hook and get that fish out of the cover. Also if your punching thick weeds the longer the rod will help you maintain less of an angle at water entry. The less pitch the easier it is to bring your bait through the weeds.

Picture this, 1/2 piece of plywood, now turn it on an angle and penetrate. It becomes thicker than 1/2 therefore causing your bait/catch to exit through more cover than necessary.

SoFlaBassAddict reply :

On 11/7/2012 at 12:11 AM, piscicidal said:

That Dobyns 745DX is awesome for jigs!

I use the Dobyns 805C FLIP/PITCH for 3/4 - 1oz flipping/pitching and the Dobyns 766SS FLIP/PITCH for 1.25 - 1.5oz. All of these rods have full cork, though, and you mentioned preferring the split grip.

Pretty sure you can get the 745 in a split grip, Mike. I personally feel they balance a bit better with the full grip though.

J Francho reply :

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I personally feel they balance a bit better with the full grip though.

With a somewhat weightier reel, like the Chonarch 201e7 I use, I agree.

sarcazmo reply :

Im one of those guys that thinks theres a fair bit of diminishing returns in fishing rods/reels after a certain dollar amount. For me thats been right around 200 dollars.

That being said I really want to try a *** *** Black and the new Recon 2 and M1 rods by Phenix!

HOIST-N-HAWGS reply :

Truly appreciate all the advice. I currently have all GLoomis's and one Kistler Argon, which I love, put needed another rod for just flippin and pitchin. I almost bought a Helium, they're having "buy one get one free, clearance which ends today. But, then noticed they are stopping production on the Helium's. While on the site I saw there new line of KLX rods and couldn't resist. Just the name alone gave me goosebumps! LOL

KLX Grass Punching-Stump Grinder X-Heavy 7' 3"

DETAILED SPECIFICATIONS:

Fuji blank exposed reel seat
Fuji MICRO (larger than other brand micro rods) Stainless steel "K" tangle free, Alconite rings
Action: Moderate-Fast
Length: 7'3"
Power: Extra-Heavy
Lure weight: 3/8 - 2 oz.
Line weight: 20 - 65 lb.
Handle length: 11.5"
Overall rod weight 4.4 ounce

aavery2 reply :

Loomis BCR GLX 874, MBR 844, Dobyns DX 745, NRX 893. All good rods.

Bassn Blvd reply :

On 11/10/2012 at 3:14 AM, aavery2 said:

Loomis BCR GLX 874, MBR 844, Dobyns DX 745, NRX 893. All good rods.

Not enough balls for the heavy stuff.

aavery2 reply :

On 11/11/2012 at 6:24 AM, Bassn Blvd said:

Not enough balls for the heavy stuff.

I agree the 893 is more of a lighter jig rod, but the 844 always impressed me as having plenty of backbone

roadwarrior reply :

MBR844C or BCR854

Bassn Blvd reply :

On 11/11/2012 at 8:16 AM, aavery2 said:

I agree the 893 is more of a lighter jig rod, but the 844 always impressed me as having plenty of backbone

my mistake for not elaborating. Like Fracho mentioned, pitching is a form of casting and doesn't require a heavy rod and both the 893 and 844 would suffice- I use both. Flipping, on the other hand, usually isn't done with less than 50-65# braid and with 1/2-1.5oz weight. Niether of those rods would hold up.

aavery2 reply :

On 11/11/2012 at 12:51 PM, Bassn Blvd said:

my mistake for not elaborating. Like Fracho mentioned, pitching is a form of casting and doesn't require a heavy rod and both the 893 and 844 would suffice- I use both. Flipping, on the other hand, usually isn't done with less than 50-65# braid and with 1/2-1.5oz weight. Niether of those rods would hold up.

I can see using that much weight in Florida in the grass, but where I am from we can typically get by with 3/4oz to 1oz. and often flip baits that are much lighter. Anyway I can respect your opinion, guess it just depends on where and how you are fishing.

I looked through the posts but did not see where your recommendations were. Please share.

Mike L reply :

On 11/6/2012 at 10:55 PM, J Francho said:

I pitch with every single rod in my arsenal. It's just a cast. Learn to pitch with all your rods, and you will see what a handy skill it is. Especially if you're in the back of the boat.

X2..ESPECIALLY from the back.

Most times it's just a pain fishing from the back in tourn. but you learn so much more fishing from back there.

You have to think and do things that most times you don't bother with in the front.

Pitching with everything you have is just one.

Mike

Bassn Blvd reply :

On 11/11/2012 at 2:31 PM, aavery2 said:

I can see using that much weight in Florida in the grass, but where I am from we can typically get by with 3/4oz to 1oz. and often flip baits that are much lighter. Anyway I can respect your opinion, guess it just depends on where and how you are fishing.

I looked through the posts but did not see where your recommendations were. Please share.

LOL, I'm in the same boat as the OP. I'm looking for another flippin' rod. I currently use a G Loomis Mossyback BCFR893, 7'5, fast action, rated 14-20 pound line, which is too small for serious flippin' here in S. Florida. I use an 8', heavy, 15-30, 3/8-2oz class when flipping lake Okeechobee or everglades, but the rod weighs a ton.

I narrowed my search down to 3 choices. Dobyn's (which i've never used before), G Loomis or have one built, which I'm leaning more towards. I want 7'8- 7'11, 15-30 pound class with recoil guides that are on my NRX.

SoFlaBassAddict reply :

DX 795 Doug. Or just go custom. Knowing the gear you already have though, custom would probably be the better fit for you.

Bassn Blvd reply :

Thanks Eric. I've been meaning to call you so I could get the model number on your Dobyns. Let's get together and hit the lake, pit or lox. I'm on vacation this week.

aavery2 reply :

On 11/12/2012 at 1:49 AM, Bassn Blvd said:

LOL, I'm in the same boat as the OP. I'm looking for another flippin' rod. I currently use a G Loomis Mossyback BCFR893, 7'5, fast action, rated 14-20 pound line, which is too small for serious flippin' here in S. Florida. I use an 8', heavy, 15-30, 3/8-2oz class when flipping lake Okeechobee or everglades, but the rod weighs a ton.

I narrowed my search down to 3 choices. Dobyn's (which i've never used before), G Loomis or have one built, which I'm leaning more towards. I want 7'8- 7'11, 15-30 pound class with recoil guides that are on my NRX.

That makes for a tough choice, the G loomis will be lighter, and in my hands I find the GLX series and the Dobyns DX close on sensetivity, the NRX as you know is the next level. Dobyns has great balance, so even though the rods weigh a little more it is not as noticeable, if price were no concern and I only wanted the best, I would do as you say and have a custom built on a loomis blank if you can find a good one.

What reel you thinking about, maybe it makes a difference in the equation.

SoFlaBassAddict reply :

On 11/12/2012 at 2:01 AM, Bassn Blvd said:

Thanks Eric. I've been meaning to call you so I could get the model number on your Dobyns. Let's get together and hit the lake, pit or lox. I'm on vacation this week.

I'll check my schedule. I should be free towards the later part of the week.

Mike__D reply :

Money being no object, I'd be looking JDM rod. Megabass or Evergreen!!!

mike d

HOIST-N-HAWGS reply :

On 11/8/2012 at 1:26 AM, sarcazmo said:

Im one of those guys that thinks theres a fair bit of diminishing returns in fishing rods/reels after a certain dollar amount. For me thats been right around 200 dollars.

That being said I really want to try a *** *** Black and the new Recon 2 and M1 rods by Phenix!

I bought Kistler's new KLX Grass punchin stump grinding 7'3" XH, one of the nicest rods I've ever used! If I I was looking for another open water rod it would, without a doubt, rank among the best. Unfortunately, it's not what the name projects, and IMO...they need to change the the name. The tip is way to soft and is more of an open water rod. Thankfully, Kistler is very understanding and is accepting the rod back, in addition to covering the shipping.

I've ben filp flopping between the Phenix Super Classic Flipping Rods 7'6" Med Hvy and the Cashion Flipping Rod 7'6" Heavy. I couldn't make up my mind sooooo, I ordered them both.

Prior to ordering I spoke with Phenix regarding their new M1 series. Their recommendation; "If you're looking for a pure flippin stick then go with the Super Classic Flipping Rod, if you're fishing open water then our M1 series is the ticket."

My interest in the Cashion flippin stick came from their carbon fiber grips, promotional video with Hank Cherry, and reading about the rods construction process.

"Cashion Blanks are constructed of high grade carbon fiber and manufactured by a uni-directional process, which ensures the carbon fiber runs perfectly straight from the butt to the tip. The uni-direction carbon fiber does not wrap or twist as it travels the blank, ensuring the carbon fiber is aligned at 0° without rotation. The uni-direction process ensures Cashion Blanks are extremely strong because the rod will not twist under load. Plus, vibrations have a straight path down the blank to your finger tips providing astonishing sensitivity."

Besides the above, I wouldn't mind throwing some of east coast builders some cash and support for a change.

sarcazmo reply :

On 11/27/2012 at 6:38 PM, HOIST-N-HAWGS said:

I bought Kistler's new KLX Grass punchin stump grinding 7'3" XH, one of the nicest rods I've ever used! If I I was looking for another open water rod it would, without a doubt, rank among the best. Unfortunately, it's not what the name projects, and IMO...they need to change the the name. The tip is way to soft and is more of an open water rod. Thankfully, Kistler is very understanding and is accepting the rod back, in addition to covering the shipping.

I've ben filp flopping between the Phenix Super Classic Flipping Rods 7'6" Med Hvy and the Cashion Flipping Rod 7'6" Heavy. I couldn't make up my mind sooooo, I ordered them both.

Prior to ordering I spoke with Phenix regarding their new M1 series. Their recommendation; "If you're looking for a pure flippin stick then go with the Super Classic Flipping Rod, if you're fishing open water then our M1 series is the ticket."

My interest in the Cashion flippin stick came from their carbon fiber grips, promotional video with Hank Cherry, and reading about the rods construction process.

"Cashion Blanks are constructed of high grade carbon fiber and manufactured by a uni-directional process, which ensures the carbon fiber runs perfectly straight from the butt to the tip. The uni-direction carbon fiber does not wrap or twist as it travels the blank, ensuring the carbon fiber is aligned at 0° without rotation. The uni-direction process ensures Cashion Blanks are extremely strong because the rod will not twist under load. Plus, vibrations have a straight path down the blank to your finger tips providing astonishing sensitivity."

Besides the above, I wouldn't mind throwing some of east coast builders some cash and support for a change.

.

I've also been super curious about the klx. They seem to be an amazing value. I read some things regarding Kistler ideology and cs but it seems whatever the issues were have passed.

Next rods on my list are the 13 *** service es and klx.

Sam reply :

Any one of these:

Item # Model Length Handle Pieces Line Weight Lure Weight Action Power Price 12131-01 GLX 892C FPR 7' 5" A 1 12 - 17 3/16 - 5/8 Fast Medium $455.00 12132-01 GLX 893C FPR 7' 5" A 1 14 - 20 1/4 - 3/4 Fast Med-Heavy $455.00 12133-01 GLX 894C FPR 7' 5" A 1 17 - 25 1/4 - 1 Fast Heavy $465.00 12134-01 GLX 895C FPR 7' 5" A 1 20-25 3/8 - 1 1/4 Fast Ex-Heavy $465.00 12135-01 GLX 896C FPR 7' 5" A 1 20 - 30 1/2 - 1 1/2 Fast Ex-Heavy $465.00 12136-01 GLX 953C FPR 7' 11" A 1 15 - 20 1/4 - 1 Fast Med-Heavy

$465.00

Sam reply :

All of the above are from G. Loomis.

Check 'em out.

Hooligan reply :

Contrary to popular opinion a longer rod does not make an advantage in landing and fighting fish. A shorter rod gives you more leverage against a fish in straight line pull. A longer rod gives the fish more leverage to fight against you.

Just food for thought.

J Francho reply :

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A longer rod gives the fish more leverage to fight against you.

Sometimes that helps. This isn't bass fishing, but demonstrates the theory to an extreme: I use up to 15' rods to fish for steelhead and salmon. Yes, they can get leverage, but they don't gain an edge. They can swing 30 feet in either direction or even charge straight at you (they often do) and you still maintain pressure on them. Less reeling, more fighting.

That said, this past summer I spent a lot of time with Loomis 6-8 MH jig and worm rod, and really got to appreciate what a shorter, yet powerful stick can offer in many situations. Easier to handle, less wieldy in tight quarters, and you can really put the screws to them in the weeds when you've hooked one on a "short leash."

Hooligan reply :

On 11/28/2012 at 9:52 PM, J Francho said:

Sometimes that helps. This isn't bass fishing, but demonstrates the theory to an extreme: I use up to 15' rods to fish for steelhead and salmon. Yes, they can get leverage, but they don't gain an edge. They can swing 30 feet in either direction or even charge straight at you (they often do) and you still maintain pressure on them. Less reeling, more fighting.

That said, this past summer I spent a lot of time with Loomis 6-8 MH jig and worm rod, and really got to appreciate what a shorter, yet powerful stick can offer in many situations. Easier to handle, less wieldy in tight quarters, and you can really put the screws to them in the weeds when you've hooked one on a "short leash."

Very true in perspective. It goes to further alliterate what it was that I was getting at. Longer isn't always better, and shorter isn't always either. There are advantages to both. The original post here that it was directed at has been edited, so it was a general statement.

HOIST-N-HAWGS reply :

On 11/28/2012 at 9:03 AM, sarcazmo said:

I've also been super curious about the klx. They seem to be an amazing value. I read some things regarding Kistler ideology and cs but it seems whatever the issues were have passed.

Next rods on my list are the 13 *** service es and klx.

I kept the KLX, to nice of a rod not to. Also kept the Cashion, returned the Phenix super flipper. The Cashion is exactly what I was looking for and definitely the most sensitive rod I've ever fished., Every little bump, pebble, grass ect is directly tramsitted to your hand.

The carbon fiber grips are outstanding! The micro's on the KLX are a notch above the Cashion, The KLX is definitely the lighter of the two rods but, not by much

The Cashion has more back bone with a slow tip. Like I said, exactly what I was looking for. They'll soon be more of both rods in my arsenal.

HOIST-N-HAWGS reply :

On 11/28/2012 at 9:15 AM, Sam said:

Any one of these:

Item # Model Length Handle Pieces Line Weight Lure Weight Action Power Price 12131-01 GLX 892C FPR 7' 5" A 1 12 - 17 3/16 - 5/8 Fast Medium $455.00 12132-01 GLX 893C FPR 7' 5" A 1 14 - 20 1/4 - 3/4 Fast Med-Heavy $455.00 12133-01 GLX 894C FPR 7' 5" A 1 17 - 25 1/4 - 1 Fast Heavy $465.00 12134-01 GLX 895C FPR 7' 5" A 1 20-25 3/8 - 1 1/4 Fast Ex-Heavy $465.00 12135-01 GLX 896C FPR 7' 5" A 1 20 - 30 1/2 - 1 1/2 Fast Ex-Heavy $465.00 12136-01 GLX 953C FPR 7' 11" A 1 15 - 20 1/4 - 1 Fast Med-Heavy

$465.00

IMO, there's no need to spend $4 to $5 bills on a flipper, or any other rod for that matter.

HOIST-N-HAWGS reply :

On 11/28/2012 at 4:22 PM, Hooligan said:

Contrary to popular opinion a longer rod does not make an advantage in landing and fighting fish. A shorter rod gives you more leverage against a fish in straight line pull. A longer rod gives the fish more leverage to fight against you.

Just food for thought.

A longer flippin stick gives me the ability to stay a bit further away, not spooking the fish, in addition to offering a quieter entry to the water. In my experience the longer rods also offer a quicker hook set.

sarcazmo reply :

Hmmm looks like I'll have to add cashion to the short list!

Mike__D reply :

On 11/18/2012 at 11:24 AM, Mike__D said:

Money being no object, I'd be looking JDM rod. Megabass or Evergreen!!!

mike d

As an update to my previous post - I recently picked up a Megabass Orochi X4 Destruction rod. Not sure what I will be using it for but it is rated anywhere from 3/8 to 3 1/4 ounces so I guess pretty much anything.

Mike D

DINK WHISPERER reply :

Shimano Cumara 7' 7" H/F, or if u did decide to go larger the new Cumara 7' 11" H/XF....

ChiCityBasser reply :

I have 2 flipping and pitching rods with one being a Quantum Super Lite/Light (depending on where you look) and it is a 7' 11" Telescopic H/F rated for 1/2oz-2oz and weighing 6.2oz. Picked it up off ebay for less than $70. My other rod is a Tec Spec 7'6" Telescopic MH/EF rated for 1/4oz-1oz for $60 from Dick's. I know neither rod is a high end rod but both serve the purpose very very well.

HOIST-N-HAWGS reply :

I'm addicted to the Cashion. I've since added 3 more Cashion's to my arsenal. I can feel nanoplankton crawling over my jigs! LOL

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