I'm very angry/upset over tonights fishing trip. I recently switched to yo zuri hybrid 6# test line and was fishing tonight with topwaters. Got a huge hit on a hula popper and pulled in a monster 6ish lb bass. I was holding him above water (was wading) and tried to grab his lip and he flopped a little and the line broke and he swam away with my hula popper in his mouth. :-[
About a week ago, I had a 5lb smallie that broke off RIGHT as I lifted him into the canoe I was in.
I'm tired of this happening since I just lost a beautiful fish (second biggest lmb I've ever caught) and am getting rid of the yo-zuri.
Can anyone recommend me some solid line that won't break this easily? Yo-zuri says their 6lb test has a breaking strength around 12lbs and let me tell you this fish was no more than 7lbs. This is the reason I don't want to just up the test of the yo-zuri, since theres no way the fish was near 12lbs
Also, does anyone else get this upset over losing a big fish? It really sucks and I'm feeling terrible about it still
50# Power Pro. Or 20# is using spinning gear.
fast line shock. id got up a few lbs in line weight and switch to ultra soft.
edit: is the line really at fault?
P-Line CXX is my choice. Treat it with KVD Line and Lure and you're good to go.
I have used the Yozuri Hybrid without any problems...
I have read bad reports on the soft hybrid.
What hybrid were you using???
QuoteI have used the Yozuri Hybrid without any problems...I have read bad reports on the soft hybrid.
What hybrid were you using???
The normal hybrid. I use an improved clinch knot and maybe its that somehow but id rather change lines and be safe rather than sorry with another lost lunker.
I've heard good things about the xps lines, what do y'all think?
Honestly dude I use 6# Yozuri Ultra Soft and that's probably slightly weaker than what you're using. I caught a 25 lb snapping turtle with it so I REALLY don't think that your regular 6# hybrid is too weak for bass, it breaks at around 12 lbs!
I have never broken off like you are describing, but I compulsively check my line for nicks or anything of the sort. Perhaps you had a little nick? I would really give it another shot because at least it pulled in that 6lber for you.
You can always go up in # test if you really want stronger line. My suggestion would be to go up to whatever # your reel can handle, except maybe try Ultrasoft. So then maybe you can get the best of both worlds, more manageability and more strength. I have searched for the strongest co-polymers around and the only reasonably priced line that has a comparable or better strength to diameter ratio is P-line CXX. So I would stick with it personally but if you really want to change, try CXX.
I used to use the improved clinch all the time but have since switched to the Eye Crosser after a little research. The eye-crosser is better, but I never had any problem with the improved clinch though!
By the way I'm here in CT where you catching those 6lbers?
I agree with everyone else that you should give it another shot. I'm switching lines from #8 hybrid but not because of the strength, in fact i was surprised when the strength of this line came into question.....Maybe try a palomar?
I use at least 10lb YZ on spinning , 12lb on casting
QuoteI use at least 10lb YZ on spinning , 12lb on casting
I had the urge to get a higher test when I got the 6# hybrid, but decided against it since I was told the 6# had great managability. I'll give the hybrid more chances and see how it goes.
What I'm thinking now, is that the way I tie the improved clench is weakening the line as I pull the knot tight. I'll try out some different knots, thanks everyone
Give the palomar a try. Its pretty freakin' strong.
Just give it a healthy coating of spit before you cinch it.
QuoteGive the palomar a try. Its pretty freakin' strong.Just give it a healthy coating of spit before you cinch it.
This will solve your problem
Wait, so you were swinging a 5lb fish into a canoe and the line broke? If that is the case, then I have to ask why you were swinging a 5lb fish instead of lipping it at the water level.
Use a net !
I agree with the first two guys. Your lure broke because you didn't hand grab the fish and instead you tried to swing the fish into the boat and obviously your line would snap expecially 6# test. If you like to swing your fish into the boat then upsize your line. I'm a big fan of yo-zuri hybrid and will take it over many other types of lines anyday.
A 7# fish does not generate only 7# of downward force when hes dangling on something while struggling. Sort of like how a 140# man registers more than 140# if he jumps onto the scale and stomps down hard instead of just stepping on it.
to me Yo-zuri is trash , go with 6 lb. P-line CXX ........
Yeah idk why I did the swinging thing, I guess I just wanted the fish off the water so it didn't get away. Ill remember to lip it out of the water next time, thanks guys
QuoteWait, so you were swinging a 5lb fish into a canoe and the line broke? If that is the case, then I have to ask why you were swinging a 5lb fish instead of lipping it at the water level.
when a 5lb fish is out of the water and does a head shake, hes putting off alot more than 6lbs of pressure.
I try many lines on recommendations from people on this board and others and always end up coming back to Yo-Zuri hybred. Works for me.
It's not your line. Learn on how to land a fish correctly , you sure aren't doing it right.
I work in the tower climbing industry and during osha training we are taught that a 200lb man falling 6' creates 2000 (yes a ton!) of force.
When that 5+ fish flops he can approach double his weight in force. Combine that with the limited amount of stretch available on the few feet of line you have out, and you are not just going to break your line on a larger fish but you will also break a high graphite content rod quickly also.
Yozuri Hybrid is among the best lines available. I have used it for 4 years fishing some honey hole farm ponds with over 100 fish over 6lbs and HAVENT BROKEN IT YET (in #10).
QuoteI agree with the first two guys. Your lure broke because you didn't hand grab the fish and instead you tried to swing the fish into the boat and obviously your line would snap expecially 6# test. If you like to swing your fish into the boat then upsize your line. I'm a big fan of yo-zuri hybrid and will take it over many other types of lines anyday.
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I would never swing a 5# fish in the boat unless i had some braid in the 30# plus range, and really, i would never swing a 5# fish at all. Also, realize that line test strength is at a constant pressure, when a fish thrashes it increases the weight (read tension) put on the line.
I'm not really a fan of copoly or flouro for topwater presentations. Especially such small test.
Earlier in this thread I recommended CXX. I have used both CXX and YZ Hybrid this year and I like the CXX better. With that said, I still have 6# YZ on both of my spinning reels. I have caught several good fish without problems. My issue with YZ is not strength, just manageability.
Switch lines if you want, but if you don't start landing fish correctly then you're going to be dissappointed in a LOT of different lines.
QuoteI work in the tower climbing industry and during osha training we are taught that a 200lb man falling 6' creates 2000 (yes a ton!) of force.When that 5+ fish flops he can approach double his weight in force. Combine that with the limited amount of stretch available on the few feet of line you have out, and you are not just going to break your line on a larger fish but you will also break a high graphite content rod quickly also.
Yozuri Hybrid is among the best lines available. I have used it for 4 years fishing some honey hole farm ponds with over 100 fish over 6lbs and HAVENT BROKEN IT YET (in #10).
Agree with this assessment....for more info, there was a thread on another site on Yozuir Hybrid (not the soft version) that showed that it's strength was more than the test, by around 20%...thus 10 lb test broke at 12 lb, etc.
QuoteWait, so you were swinging a 5lb fish into a canoe and the line broke? If that is the case, then I have to ask why you were swinging a 5lb fish instead of lipping it at the water level.
My first thought.
QuoteYeah idk why I did the swinging thing, I guess I just wanted the fish off the water so it didn't get away.
Cause the Elite guys do it and it looks cool. Any fish more than 2lbs gets gripped by the lip.
I tried using other knots and I realllly suck at them. Tried the palomar, san diego jam and uni and have a lot of trouble tying them. Maybe it's just the site that showed me and I need a video but I'm awful haha.
With the palomar I always have way too much tag end and end up wasting like 6-8" of line. If I don't have that much at the end I can't tie the loop
Try this knot:
It is the Eye-Crosser which is really just an improved Uni-knot. One of the best possible knots you can tie for co-polymers and it is quick and easy once you get it. Just practice it ten or so times before you go out on the field with it and you won't have anymore knot problems. The key to tying it easily is holding the loop between your thumb and forefinger to wrap it properly.
get stren orginal or stren flurocarbon or xps fc or trilene fc had no plms with those lines i am done with hybrid and ultrasoft
because they are really visble in clear water so i hate them and i keep on losing fish on those line
Quoteget stren orginal or stren flurocarbon or xps fc or trilene fc had no plms with those lines i am done with hybrid and ultrasoftbecause they are really visble in clear water so i hate them and i keep on losing fish on those line
Operator error possibly.
Quoteget stren orginal or stren flurocarbon or xps fc or trilene fc had no plms with those lines i am done with hybrid and ultrasoftbecause they are really visble in clear water so i hate them and i keep on losing fish on those line
multi-tap cell phone post?
QuoteI tried using other knots and I realllly suck at them. Tried the palomar, san diego jam and uni and have a lot of trouble tying them. Maybe it's just the site that showed me and I need a video but I'm awful haha.With the palomar I always have way too much tag end and end up wasting like 6-8" of line. If I don't have that much at the end I can't tie the loop
Sooooooo................you suck at tying knots, and do a poor job of landing fish. Must be the lines fault, and probably the rod, and the reels drag too, but definitely not yours : :-X
In all seriousness, learn from your mistakes. It is very frustrating to lose big fish, and very tempting to blame equipment. Personally I don't like YZ line either, but not for the same reasons. I actually found it to be extremely strong.......almost to a fault. When you hit your thumb with a hammer don't blame the hammer.
QuoteQuoteI tried using other knots and I realllly suck at them. Tried the palomar, san diego jam and uni and have a lot of trouble tying them. Maybe it's just the site that showed me and I need a video but I'm awful haha.With the palomar I always have way too much tag end and end up wasting like 6-8" of line. If I don't have that much at the end I can't tie the loop
Sooooooo................you suck at tying knots, and do a poor job of landing fish. Must be the lines fault, and probably the rod, and the reels drag too, but definitely not yours : :-X
In all seriousness, learn from your mistakes. It is very frustrating to lose big fish, and very tempting to blame equipment. Personally I don't like YZ line either, but not for the same reasons. I actually found it to be extremely strong.......almost to a fault. When you hit your thumb with a hammer don't blame the hammer.
Well I've always used the improved clinch and have never had a problem until switching to this line, but perhaps thats because it's a lighter test than I am used to
QuoteI agree with the first two guys. Your lure broke because you didn't hand grab the fish and instead you tried to swing the fish into the boat and obviously your line would snap expecially 6# test. If you like to swing your fish into the boat then upsize your line. I'm a big fan of yo-zuri hybrid and will take it over many other types of lines anyday.
This is what I was thinking. You can't lift 5 and 6 lb. fish with 6# line.
QuoteQuoteI tried using other knots and I realllly suck at them. Tried the palomar, san diego jam and uni and have a lot of trouble tying them. Maybe it's just the site that showed me and I need a video but I'm awful haha.With the palomar I always have way too much tag end and end up wasting like 6-8" of line. If I don't have that much at the end I can't tie the loop
Sooooooo................you suck at tying knots, and do a poor job of landing fish. Must be the lines fault, and probably the rod, and the reels drag too, but definitely not yours : :-X
In all seriousness, learn from your mistakes. It is very frustrating to lose big fish, and very tempting to blame equipment. Personally I don't like YZ line either, but not for the same reasons. I actually found it to be extremely strong.......almost to a fault. When you hit your thumb with a hammer don't blame the hammer.
;D @ hammer comment....
I use 6# test yo zuri ultra soft myself...no problems here.
Your using #6 test and 6lb-ish bass breaks off? seems like you need stronger line? Doesn't sound like a line quality problem. I use #12 on my BC and its the best. I've pulled in pike, bass, and a 25lb carp on #12 line.
QuoteQuoteQuoteI tried using other knots and I realllly suck at them. Tried the palomar, san diego jam and uni and have a lot of trouble tying them. Maybe it's just the site that showed me and I need a video but I'm awful haha.With the palomar I always have way too much tag end and end up wasting like 6-8" of line. If I don't have that much at the end I can't tie the loop
Sooooooo................you suck at tying knots, and do a poor job of landing fish. Must be the lines fault, and probably the rod, and the reels drag too, but definitely not yours : :-X
In all seriousness, learn from your mistakes. It is very frustrating to lose big fish, and very tempting to blame equipment. Personally I don't like YZ line either, but not for the same reasons. I actually found it to be extremely strong.......almost to a fault. When you hit your thumb with a hammer don't blame the hammer.
Well I've always used the improved clinch and have never had a problem until switching to this line, but perhaps thats because it's a lighter test than I am used to
In other words you think it was equipment failure and not your ability that caused your problem ?
Get you some Berkley BigGame, 10# or 12#.
Change it before each trip.
Learn how to tie better knots. Try the Trliene knot, same as a clinch, just add an extra pass through the eye.
A 6# fish flopping generates more than 6# of leverage. I use to break rods picking fish out of the water, you're lucky it was only your line.
Have fun.
http://www.animatedknots.com/trilene/index.php?Categ=fishing&LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com
Keep working at the Palomar knot. I use this knot for everything and it has never failed me. Losing 6-8" ain't so bad. Eventually you'll get better in time.
Just stop swinging the fish into the boat and set your drag properly and the only way you'll lose a fish is from a bad hook set.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI tried using other knots and I realllly suck at them. Tried the palomar, san diego jam and uni and have a lot of trouble tying them. Maybe it's just the site that showed me and I need a video but I'm awful haha.With the palomar I always have way too much tag end and end up wasting like 6-8" of line. If I don't have that much at the end I can't tie the loop
Sooooooo................you suck at tying knots, and do a poor job of landing fish. Must be the lines fault, and probably the rod, and the reels drag too, but definitely not yours : :-X
In all seriousness, learn from your mistakes. It is very frustrating to lose big fish, and very tempting to blame equipment. Personally I don't like YZ line either, but not for the same reasons. I actually found it to be extremely strong.......almost to a fault. When you hit your thumb with a hammer don't blame the hammer.
Well I've always used the improved clinch and have never had a problem until switching to this line, but perhaps thats because it's a lighter test than I am used to
In other words you think it was equipment failure and not your ability that caused your problem ?
The fact is, I have never had issues with my line breaking until I switched to this line recently, and I obviously have been landing my fish the same way, on the same knot and have caught big fish doing so (like the one in my avi at over 6lbs). I've already said it may be the clinch weakening the line due to improper lubrication or whatever. I'm just trying not to lose more fish.
Leave my thread if you're just looking to start trouble and not contribute anything, I'm not here to argue with you about stupid stuff, especially when you're obviously just trying to start trouble
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI tried using other knots and I realllly suck at them. Tried the palomar, san diego jam and uni and have a lot of trouble tying them. Maybe it's just the site that showed me and I need a video but I'm awful haha.With the palomar I always have way too much tag end and end up wasting like 6-8" of line. If I don't have that much at the end I can't tie the loop
Sooooooo................you suck at tying knots, and do a poor job of landing fish. Must be the lines fault, and probably the rod, and the reels drag too, but definitely not yours : :-X
In all seriousness, learn from your mistakes. It is very frustrating to lose big fish, and very tempting to blame equipment. Personally I don't like YZ line either, but not for the same reasons. I actually found it to be extremely strong.......almost to a fault. When you hit your thumb with a hammer don't blame the hammer.
Well I've always used the improved clinch and have never had a problem until switching to this line, but perhaps thats because it's a lighter test than I am used to
In other words you think it was equipment failure and not your ability that caused your problem ?
The fact is, I have never had issues with my line breaking until I switched to this line recently, and I obviously have been landing my fish the same way, on the same knot and have caught big fish doing so (like the one in my avi at over 6lbs). I've already said it may be the clinch weakening the line due to improper lubrication or whatever. I'm just trying not to lose more fish.
Leave my thread if you're just looking to start trouble and not contribute anything, I'm not here to argue with you about stupid stuff, especially when you're obviously just trying to start trouble
So you were using 6# test of some other brand, and landing your fish this way?
Perhaps you lucked out and the fish in your avvie didn't struggle like a maniac while dangling.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI tried using other knots and I realllly suck at them. Tried the palomar, san diego jam and uni and have a lot of trouble tying them. Maybe it's just the site that showed me and I need a video but I'm awful haha.With the palomar I always have way too much tag end and end up wasting like 6-8" of line. If I don't have that much at the end I can't tie the loop
Sooooooo................you suck at tying knots, and do a poor job of landing fish. Must be the lines fault, and probably the rod, and the reels drag too, but definitely not yours : :-X
In all seriousness, learn from your mistakes. It is very frustrating to lose big fish, and very tempting to blame equipment. Personally I don't like YZ line either, but not for the same reasons. I actually found it to be extremely strong.......almost to a fault. When you hit your thumb with a hammer don't blame the hammer.
Well I've always used the improved clinch and have never had a problem until switching to this line, but perhaps thats because it's a lighter test than I am used to
In other words you think it was equipment failure and not your ability that caused your problem ?
The fact is, I have never had issues with my line breaking until I switched to this line recently, and I obviously have been landing my fish the same way, on the same knot and have caught big fish doing so (like the one in my avi at over 6lbs). I've already said it may be the clinch weakening the line due to improper lubrication or whatever. I'm just trying not to lose more fish.
Leave my thread if you're just looking to start trouble and not contribute anything, I'm not here to argue with you about stupid stuff, especially when you're obviously just trying to start trouble
So you were using 6# test of some other brand, and landing your fish this way?
Perhaps you lucked out and the fish in your avvie didn't struggle like a maniac while dangling.
No, I believe my last line was 10# mono, but the hybrid is supposed to have a breaking strength of about 12lbs.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI tried using other knots and I realllly suck at them. Tried the palomar, san diego jam and uni and have a lot of trouble tying them. Maybe it's just the site that showed me and I need a video but I'm awful haha.With the palomar I always have way too much tag end and end up wasting like 6-8" of line. If I don't have that much at the end I can't tie the loop
Sooooooo................you suck at tying knots, and do a poor job of landing fish. Must be the lines fault, and probably the rod, and the reels drag too, but definitely not yours : :-X
In all seriousness, learn from your mistakes. It is very frustrating to lose big fish, and very tempting to blame equipment. Personally I don't like YZ line either, but not for the same reasons. I actually found it to be extremely strong.......almost to a fault. When you hit your thumb with a hammer don't blame the hammer.
Well I've always used the improved clinch and have never had a problem until switching to this line, but perhaps thats because it's a lighter test than I am used to
In other words you think it was equipment failure and not your ability that caused your problem ?
The fact is, I have never had issues with my line breaking until I switched to this line recently, and I obviously have been landing my fish the same way, on the same knot and have caught big fish doing so (like the one in my avi at over 6lbs). I've already said it may be the clinch weakening the line due to improper lubrication or whatever. I'm just trying not to lose more fish.
Leave my thread if you're just looking to start trouble and not contribute anything, I'm not here to argue with you about stupid stuff, especially when you're obviously just trying to start trouble
So you were using 6# test of some other brand, and landing your fish this way?
Perhaps you lucked out and the fish in your avvie didn't struggle like a maniac while dangling.
No, I believe my last line was 10# mono, but the hybrid is supposed to have a breaking strength of about 12lbs.
Sorry but it really is operator error.
If you aren't happy, don't have confidence in YoZuri line, switch to another brand. If you don't ever swing another 5 to 6 pound fish after reading the prior posts, so you don't break off that brand as well, you don't really have the evidence to blame the line. A guy walked in to my local tackel dealer with a spool of YZ #8 and made the statement he was using it for leaders on salmon rigs and broke off 6 fish in a row. They gave him a refund. I bought the remainder of the spool for a reduced price. I bent wire hooks on my tube jig heads trying to break them off when stagged up. It wasn't the lines fault it was the application. Just a thought.