12# Big Game For T Rigs 2024
kingmotorboat reply :
Thinking about spoiling up my t rig rod with some 12# big game because I'm out of yo zuri and cxx. Thoughts on this for this application. And it's a casting reel
ABW reply :
You'll have to adjust your hooksets. The stuff is like rubber bands.
kingmotorboat reply :
I already reach for the stars lol. Sensitivity wise how bad is it
kikstand454 reply :
If you're going to use mono- might as well be big game.
It will be different.
John G reply :
Not bad.On 4/9/2015 at 9:19 AM, kingmotorboat said:I already reach for the stars lol. Sensitivity wise how bad is it
kingmotorboat reply :
On 4/9/2015 at 10:26 AM, John G said:Not bad.
Sweet thanks guys
Blues19 reply :
I have caught many many many fish on the T rig with 12 lb. Big Game.
K_Mac reply :
On 4/9/2015 at 9:15 AM, ABW said:You'll have to adjust your hooksets. The stuff is like rubber bands.
I agree.There are many fine fishermen who swear by Big Game. Compared to YZ and CXX there is a huge amount of stretch. It is cheap, so it won't cost much to give it a try. It is not for me.
Hyrule Bass reply :
lol at stretch being over-exaggerated in this thread too. you will be fine using big game, the hook will set just fine.
sure it has stretch, but its nothing like a rubberband, not even close, people need to quit spreading fallacies...
Penguino reply :
On 4/10/2015 at 9:00 AM, Red Earth said:lol at stretch being over-exaggerated in this thread too. you will be fine using big game, the hook will set just fine.
sure it has stretch, but its nothing like a rubberband, not even close, people need to quit spreading fallacies...
Compared to braid, it stretches like a rubberband.
ABW reply :
On 4/10/2015 at 9:00 AM, Red Earth said:lol at stretch being over-exaggerated in this thread too. you will be fine using big game, the hook will set just fine.
sure it has stretch, but its nothing like a rubberband, not even close, people need to quit spreading fallacies...
I only say this because I used to be a braid only user, and the transition felt very odd at first.
K_Mac reply :
Red Earth you can use what you want. You can believe what you want. I think you are wrong about many things, but I am not disrespectful about it. I find Big Game to have way too much stretch. Nothing false about that. If you can't engage in civil discussion, maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself.
J Francho reply :
Never used Big Game, but back in the 80s and 90s Trilene worked fine for me. These days I use 12-15 lb. CXX or 50 lb. braid.
FishTank reply :
I use to use big game but have since found many other lines I like better. That is not to say Big Game is not good line. I like it and have caught a lot of fish using it. Like other have said, it does have a lot of stretch and I found myself changing this line more often than others. Overall, it is great line for the money.
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
Sharp hooks make stretch the least of my worrys.many other things come to mind, abrasion resistance big game is perfect ,knot strenght big game is perfect,i use big game for saltwater never had a problem what people dont realize is stretch is a good thing compared too things that can actually make you loose fish.besides you can get 1200yrds of 12 for 6$ .let The stretch control other ppl and move along
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
No offense but how do you "adjust your hookset" wouldnt that be a oxy moron a hookset is a hookset no adjusting all mine have been the same since i was 5 i feel or see a fish i snap it guess thats why i like stretchy line ,dont have to worry about adjusting anything ,my knots safe my line is safe and my hook made a homerun into that mouth
WRB reply :
Someone post data on how much Big Game stretches verses FC, copolymer and mono of equal diameter.
You find there isn't a significant difference, maybe 5% between all those line types. You have been brain washed by marketing!
Tom
smalljaw67 reply :
I use Big Game in 12#, 15#, and 20# and one of the reasons I use it is because it has awesome abrasion resistance and that is very important to me. A lot of my fishing is done in a rocky river and when I say rocky I mean that you can't put a bass boat in the areas I fish, you need a jet boat or small water craft like a canoe to access it and even jet boats need to be careful. Those kind of rocks tear braid up fast and you don't want to have an issue with a 5lb. smallmouth on the other end, but to be honest, Big Game is pretty good. Right now I'm in the early stages of testing Spiderwire Ultimate Mono, the 2 things that are true with the marketing is that it is very small in diameter and it is extremely low stretch, if you are worried about the stretch then Ultimate mono would be a good choice, it has very little and hook sets are similar to braid, not quite as bone jarring but still very hard.
tholmes reply :
I routinely use 15# Big Game for fishing jigs and T-rigs. Does it stretch? Yeah, a little, but not enough to concern me. After all, you only have to move the hook an inch or two to get it set. I've never had any problem setting the hook on a bass with it. Just use good, sharp hooks and you'll be fine.
Tom
Nice_Bass reply :
big game #12 will work just fine. I use other lines (not braid) but only because I really like a certain brand fluro now.
anyway, my PB musky came in on #12 big game no leader. Stretch in my opinion is a bit of a stretch as well and while there is some- certainly more a factor depending on your terminal tackle, rod, amount of line out, wind, temperature, etc., etc.
K_Mac reply :
As I said in an earlier post, there are many fine fishermen who swear by Big Game. I do not like the way it feels. That has nothing to do with aggressive marketing or lack of understanding. I am an intelligent man and an experienced fisherman. I have used Big Game many times. I much prefer fluorocarbon or copolymers for any contact baits. Why is it that we can't share our opinions without being nasty about it?
J Francho reply :
Some cannot discern opinion from fact. Many opinions are developed from limited personal experience. Also, I can find all sorts of fault in "facts" simply because that fact is only a small facet of a much larger equation.
But I digress, opine away!
Catt reply :
On 4/10/2015 at 10:00 PM, K_Mac said:As I said in an earlier post, there are many fine fishermen who swear by Big Game. I do not like the way it feels. That has nothing to do with aggressive marketing or lack of understanding. I am an intelligent man and an experienced fisherman. I have used Big Game many times. I much prefer fluorocarbon or copolymers for any contact baits. Why is it that we can't share our opinions without being nasty about it?
The best part if bass fishing is we can personalize to fit us & what we feel best suits us!
I've use 15# Big Game on my Texas Rigs & have for 30+ years. I've boated 27 bass over 10 lbs & every single one was on Big Game. I am 100% confident I've never missed or lost a bass because of Big Game...operator error yelp.
If y`all like braid, fluoro, co-poly or what ever good for y'all!
K_Mac reply :
Catt you are one of the guys that I know uses Big Game. I have great respect for your opinion and that is why I am careful when I give my opinion about Big Game. Many things in fishing are subjective. Arguing about what is "best" is part of the fun. Thanks for your input.
Hyrule Bass reply :
On 4/10/2015 at 9:37 AM, Penguino said:Compared to braid, it stretches like a rubberband.
fallacy. a rubberband stretches and breaks very easily, big game in general does not stretch like a rubberband. go ahead and try it for yourself.
On 4/10/2015 at 10:06 AM, K_Mac said:Red Earth you can use what you want. You can believe what you want. I think you are wrong about many things, but I am not disrespectful about it. I find Big Game to have way too much stretch. Nothing false about that. If you can't engage in civil discussion, maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself.
where was i uncivil? in no way, shape, or form does big game stretch like a rubberband, and that is a fact. go ahead and pull on a rubberband and pull on a piece of big game line, then tell me you disagree its a fallacy, the rubberband is going to stretch and break a lot sooner and easier than the big game...
On 4/10/2015 at 12:55 PM, WRB said:Someone post data on how much Big Game stretches verses FC, copolymer and mono of equal diameter.
You find there isn't a significant difference, maybe 5% between all those line types. You have been brain washed by marketing!
Tom
i agree.
WRB reply :
Statements like Big Gsme stretches like a rubber band compared to,other single filament lines isn't true. I also use Big Game, not for jigs and worms all the time, I use it for crank baits because it's a good line that is inexpensive and I change crankbait line often. Big game was my go to line for swimbaits, this year I have switched to Sunline Defier Armilo Nylon with good success because it's smaller diameter is an advantage where I fish. I also use FC line for jigs and worms during the day time, at night I use 15 lb Big Game, better abrasion and knot strength, especailly tying knots at night with old eyes.
Tom
J Francho reply :
"Stretch" is not linear. Big Game, Tatsu, and CXX may all have equal stretch, but the way they stretch has quite a bit of influence on the preferences we develop.
paleus reply :
I used to use 12lb big game because that's what my dad uses. I've caught plenty of fish on a t-rig with it. But, once I tried braid, there was no going back. I prefer the sensitivity of braid and not having to swing for a home run on a hookset. I use 30lb power pro with a 12lb fluoro leader for my t-rig rod.
K_Mac reply :
Red Earth your insistence on a literal reading of "it stretches like a rubberband" misses the point. Most of us understand the use of metaphor. Metaphor is a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance. Read that slowly and tell me what you don't understand. That is not the speading of fallacy. It is the use of language to make a point.
The idea that those of us who find BG unacceptable are brainwashed is arrogant, offensive, and unknowing. So there is no misunderstanding, I mean that literally.
K_Mac reply :
On 4/11/2015 at 12:52 AM, J Francho said:"Stretch" is not linear. Big Game, Tatsu, and CXX may all have equal stretch, but the way they stretch has quite a bit of influence on the preferences we develop.
Exactly.
Turtle135 reply :
Just some more fuel for the fire. I use Trilene XT in 14 and 17 pound test. I am pretty sure the 14 pound test breaks closer to 20 pounds so to some degree I am combating the stretch inherent with monofilament by using line that tests out at 20 pounds. The 3 baitcasting setups I carry around on my kayak with Trilene XT on them handle everything from jigs to crankbaits to spinnerbaits.
I do change out my line fairly frequently, at least twice a month.
*Hootie reply :
No one ever caught a fish until they invented braid and fluorocarbon. There, it's on the internet, so now it's true.
Hootie
J Francho reply :
No, but we also didn't have to change our line out twice a month after it was invented.
I recall getting new XT/XL on my reels every spring. And only in spring, lol.
Turtle135 reply :
On 4/11/2015 at 1:29 AM, J Francho said:No, but we also didn't have to change our line out twice a month after it was invented.
I recall getting new XT/XL on my reels every spring. And only in spring, lol.
I had a big smallmouth break my line on the Potomac River about 8 years ago. I knew my line (6 pound test XT) was slightly frayed by the rocks so I turned to wade back to my kayak to retie. I fired a cast in front of me and that is when she hit. Oh the humanity! 
Since then I have been somewhat maniacal about line abrasion.
J Francho reply :
So strip a few feet off, and retie. There's no reason to replace the whole spool.
Penguino reply :
On 4/11/2015 at 12:35 AM, Red Earth said:fallacy. a rubberband stretches and breaks very easily, big game in general does not stretch like a rubberband. go ahead and try it for yourself.
where was i uncivil? in no way, shape, or form does big game stretch like a rubberband, and that is a fact. go ahead and pull on a rubberband and pull on a piece of big game line, then tell me you disagree its a fallacy, the rubberband is going to stretch and break a lot sooner and easier than the big game...
i agree.
Its all relative. Me and K-Mac are using metaphors. We are talking about the elasitcitiy of the braid compared to big game
Compared to braid, big game's elasticity is like a rubberband. But I digress, Big Game is easily the best "bang for your buck" line I can think of off the top of my head.
kikstand454 reply :
Sheesh.
If you're going to use mono- then big game is a highly regarded one.
Other people like other types of lines.
Life goes on.
( yo zuri hybrid FTW) 
WRB reply :
Back in the 60's and 70's all we had was a hand full of mono line to choose from.
DuPont Stren was the most popular, Trilene XL for spinning reels and XT for bait casting reels was a big deal with 2 choices from the mfr. Garcia came out with a brown color line called Bonyl, Maxima offered a green color line. Most bass anglers would choose mono line for it's color, they performed about the same. The 80's more choices with copolymer lines that claimed higher strength, smaller diameters and less stretch. Silver Thread, P-Line, Maxima Ultra green to name a few. Trilene Big Game came out about this time as I recall, that is the time period that I started using it. 12 lb BG was the lightest # test available, BG was intended for ocean use.
Today DuPont no longer makes line in the US, sold the plant to Vicious. Fluorocarbon line came out in the late 90's as filler spools for general fishing, before that it was only available as leader line.
Working in the aerospace business Had the opportunity to test materials. For curiousty I would test variuos lines for knot strength, tensile strength, yield strength and break strength. All materials will yield before they break, this is what you watch for; the force going up evenly until it starts the flatten and drop off, this is the yield point. Elongation or stretch is the % the material moves. Monofilament line, nylon, Copolymer and FC lines yeild at different force and elongate or stretch about the same %. Elasticity is a material property where the material elongates without yielding or breaking; the force moves up very slowly, the material elongates a high %.
A rubber band is elastic, high % of elongation without yielding, fishing line doesn't have a high % of elasticity, physically speaking.
We are all susceptible to marketing, it's a neccesssary to sell products, advertise the selling points "less stretch", what does it mean?
Tom
Hyrule Bass reply :
On 4/11/2015 at 1:10 AM, K_Mac said:Red Earth your insistence on a literal reading of "it stretches like a rubberband" misses the point. Most of us understand the use of metaphor. Metaphor is a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance. Read that slowly and tell me what you don't understand. That is not the speading of fallacy. It is the use of language to make a point.
The idea that those of us who find BG unacceptable are brainwashed is arrogant, offensive, and unknowing. So there is no misunderstanding, I mean that literally.
first off, i know what a metaphor is, im not stupid. but it seems youve confused metaphors and similes. metaphors dont use the words "like" or "as". the phrase "it stretches like a rubberband" is actually a simile and not a metaphor. instead of telling me to slow down while reading, perhaps you should slow down and think about what youre typing before trying to insult ones intelligence, yet you accuse me of being the uncivil one. read some of the other posts that support the idea that line stretch is not as bad as many are making it out to be. im not the only one with that opinion, just because i defend my position more staunchly doesnt mean i deserve to be singled out, attacked, and ganged up on for not buying into something that i believe not to be true...
and its not that im reading it literal so much as its being grossly over-exaggerated by some and you know it. big game is not even CLOSE to stretching like a rubberband, find a better comparison to make your point, otherwise its a gross over-exaggeration and a fallacy.
On 4/11/2015 at 1:17 AM, Turtle135 said:Just some more fuel for the fire. I use Trilene XT in 14 and 17 pound test. I am pretty sure the 14 pound test breaks closer to 20 pounds so to some degree I am combating the stretch inherent with monofilament by using line that tests out at 20 pounds. The 3 baitcasting setups I carry around on my kayak with Trilene XT on them handle everything from jigs to crankbaits to spinnerbaits.
I do change out my line fairly frequently, at least twice a month.
quite frankly, youre just wasting line and money by changing it twice a month, unless you do a ton of fishing and your spools are actually getting really low every couple of weeks. mono will last for years on a reel if properly stored after use...
On 4/11/2015 at 3:09 AM, Penguino said:Its all relative. Me and K-Mac are using metaphors. We are talking about the elasitcitiy of the braid compared to big game
Compared to braid, big game's elasticity is like a rubberband. But I digress, Big Game is easily the best "bang for your buck" line I can think of off the top of my head.
as stated above in this post, youre not even using a metaphor. youre grossly over-exaggerating the whole thing. i fish mono exclusively and stretch is barely noticeable. the only time the stretch is a negative is if i get snagged and have to pull my line to free the snag or break the line. it does not take me extra hard hooksets to set a hook in a bass with mono, i see guys fishing braid who set the hook way harder than i do with mono. a bass has soft flesh, it doesnt take a whole lot to set a sharp hook in a bass. someone said their mono stretched like 12-15 feet on a hookset and i find that highly laughable for a number of reasons, what are they doing? running backwards while setting the hook to account for that much stretch? are they using a 24 foot rod? no, neither, theyre grossly over-exaggerating line stretch in mono. im speaking from my personal experience, not what someone on tv told me to sell a consumer on their sponsors product. those people on tv are often pro-fishermen, but theyre also trying to make a living by endorsing products, its up to you to draw the line on what is real and what is a product endorsement, what is fact and what is opinion, because not everything they say is based on actual fact
Penguino reply :
On 4/11/2015 at 7:15 AM, Red Earth said:
as stated above in this post, youre not even using a metaphor. youre grossly over-exaggerating the whole thing. i fish mono exclusively and stretch is barely noticeable. the only time the stretch is a negative is if i get snagged and have to pull my line to free the snag or break the line. it does not take me extra hard hooksets to set a hook in a bass with mono, i see guys fishing braid who set the hook way harder than i do with mono. a bass has soft flesh, it doesnt take a whole lot to set a sharp hook in a bass. someone said their mono stretched like 12-15 feet on a hookset and i find that highly laughable for a number of reasons, what are they doing? running backwards while setting the hook to account for that much stretch? are they using a 24 foot rod? no, neither, theyre grossly over-exaggerating line stretch in mono. im speaking from my personal experience, not what someone on tv told me to sell a consumer on their sponsors product. those people on tv are often pro-fishermen, but theyre also trying to make a living by endorsing products, its up to you to draw the line on what is real and what is a product endorsement, what is fact and what is opinion, because not everything they say is based on actual fact
Do you fish braid often? I run braid on all my spinning setups. There is a definitely a noticeable difference in stretch between braid and mono. For bass, it nots that big of a deal. But up north, when you start dealing with the occasional bi catch of pike or pickerel you will be glad for that lack of stretch. Personally, I run copoly on all my baitcasters. It works perfectly fine, but I just have to set the hook a bit harder compared to my spinning rigs. Overall, I will concur to you that there isn't that much stretch in mono; but it definetly is noticeable and feelable when compared to braid.
K_Mac reply :
Red Earth you are a funny guy. A simile is a metaphor. It may be that stretches like a rubberband technically is a simile, but in the broader context it changes nothing. Suggesting a resemblance between Big Game and rubberbands is metaphorical. It simply makes the point that some of us don't like the line for contact baits, because of the way it feels to us. What part of that don't you understand?
Hyrule Bass reply :
On 4/11/2015 at 7:25 AM, Penguino said:Do you fish braid often? I run braid on all my spinning setups. There is a definitely a noticeable difference in stretch between braid and mono. For bass, it nots that big of a deal. But up north, when you start dealing with the occasional bi catch of pike or pickerel you will be glad for that lack of stretch. Personally, I run copoly on all my baitcasters. It works perfectly fine, but I just have to set the hook a bit harder compared to my spinning rigs. Overall, I will concur to you that there isn't that much stretch in mono; but it definetly is noticeable and feelable when compared to braid.
youre arguing(debating) something that im not. i never said anything about mono vs braid. only thing i said about braid was i seen people set hooks with braid harder than i do using mono. also, im talking about bass fishing, thought that was pretty noticeable since i mentioned bass, never said anything about pike or pickerel. i just think theres a better comparison than rubberband is all...
On 4/11/2015 at 8:17 AM, K_Mac said:Red Earth you are a funny guy. A simile is a metaphor. It may be that stretches like a rubberband technically is a simile, but in the broader context it changes nothing. Suggesting a resemblance between Big Game and rubberbands is metaphorical. It simply makes the point that some of us don't like the line for contact baits, because of the way it feels to us. What part of that don't you understand?
theyre not the same thing though, or their woulnt be a need for both words. they are both comparisons, but a metaphor is a more direct comparison and similes use like or as. i didnt make these literary rules up lol. so, nope, i cant call it metaphorical. also, i wasnt debating what lines people like for contact baits, i was debating that people are greatly over-exaggerating the stretch of mono.
Penguino reply :
On 4/11/2015 at 9:07 AM, Red Earth said:youre arguing(debating) something that im not. i never said anything about mono vs braid. only thing i said about braid was i seen people set hooks with braid harder than i do using mono. also, im talking about bass fishing, thought that was pretty noticeable since i mentioned bass, never said anything about pike or pickerel. i just think theres a better comparison than rubberband is all...
Dude.. you were the one who first that my simile between braid and mono was completely wrong. BTW I will then change my simile to "Compared to braid, monofilament has some more stretch"
Maxximus Redneckus reply :
All i know is before your line stretches the hook has to penetrate then your rod will bend then when all this is maxed out your line will stretch.Another thing i have noticed when u have sharp hooks 9 out of 10 times the fish is hooked already,,im not worried about thiseish that i didnt feel 75 yrds in 20 fow im concentrated on hooking up with a reliable line knot and abrasion wise,because in reality its the fish we catch that make the diff ,i could care less about the 30 i didnt feel outta site outta mind,im more excited about miss 8 pounder that i feel see and catch .there ya have it
Catt reply :
Red Earth! K_Mac! Don't make me come over there & Gibb's slap both of y'all!
Everyone's personal repertoire of confusion works for them!
Hyrule Bass reply :
On 4/11/2015 at 9:15 AM, Penguino said:Dude.. you were the one who first that my simile between braid and mono was completely wrong. BTW I will then change my simile to "Compared to braid, monofilament has some more stretch"
youre still talking about something im not, let it go. youre talking braid vs mono. im talking about mono itself and how people are mischaracterizing it. we are talking about two different things, there is nothing to debate here. if you want to get the last word, go ahead. i wont be responding back to it....
On 4/11/2015 at 9:53 AM, Maxximus Redneckus said:All i know is before your line stretches the hook has to penetrate then your rod will bend then when all this is maxed out your line will stretch.Another thing i have noticed when u have sharp hooks 9 out of 10 times the fish is hooked already,,im not worried about thiseish that i didnt feel 75 yrds in 20 fow im concentrated on hooking up with a reliable line knot and abrasion wise,because in reality its the fish we catch that make the diff ,i could care less about the 30 i didnt feel outta site outta mind,im more excited about miss 8 pounder that i feel see and catch .there ya have it
i agree that the hook will be set before any line stretch comes into play, unless youre just using hooks that are dull as hell. and that the fish often hook themselves before you can even set the hook.
On 4/11/2015 at 11:10 PM, Catt said:Red Earth! K_Mac! Don't make me come over there & Gibb's slap both of y'all!
Everyone's personal repertoire of confusion works for them!
lol whats a gibb's slap? and at this point ive said all i can say. i just dont like when people spread what i feel is misinformation
J Francho reply :
Here's a simile. This thread is as good as dead.
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