Broke off 5 pounder 2024
YoungPlug reply :
So today I went out on my local golf course ponds to see if any fish were on beds yet. Sure enough 2 4-5 pound fish were sitting right where I could pitch to. Bigger of the 2 ate my jig immediately and I set the hook. My leader to main line knot broke and now the fish has a 3/8 oz black and blue AP jig in her lip.
What I want to know is:
-How necessary are leaders when bed fishing? (Is straight braid ok?)
-Will the jig rust out? (Hate to see a fish like that have a jig in it for the rest of its life...)
I'm really not too mad about losing the fish, more worried that it won't be able to spawn because of my jig.
the reel ess reply :
I don't like leaders for that very reason. I still catch bass, and big ones with straight braid. I think bedding bass can see you so the line is not of major concern.
Who knows about the jig. But bass are pretty crafty when it comes to backing hooks out. Hopefully it works the jig against something until it's loose and falls out.
Darren. reply :
I rarely ever break a leader, unless I work
at busting it off on a snag.
But you should be able to use straight braid
when bed fishing. If they don't bother taking
any of your presentations anymore, try a leader
again. If it works, then use a leader 
YoungPlug reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 6:59 AM, Darren. said:I rarely ever break a leader, unless I work
at busting it off on a snag.
But you should be able to use straight braid
when bed fishing. If they don't bother taking
any of your presentations anymore, try a leader
again. If it works, then use a leader
May I ask what knot you tie?
Marshfly reply :
Go with a Palomar for attaching any lure to any type line while bass fishing. As a matter of fact, I use it for everything unless I get offshore and can't pull it high with higher pound test stuff or if I'm fly fishing for trout when I need something that doesn't eat so much line.
Knots breaking really just should not be an issue.
YoungPlug reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 8:24 AM, Marshfly said:Go with a Palomar for attaching any lure to any type line while bass fishing. As a matter of fact, I use it for everything unless I get offshore and can't pull it high with higher pound test stuff or if I'm fly fishing for trout when I need something that doesn't eat so much line.
Knots breaking really just should not be an issue.
I use a palomar for line-lure connection. For line-leader I generally use an alberto but it has failed me multiple times. Any line-leader suggestions?
RoLo reply :
Why would a spawning bass that's cleaning house, decide that braided line is unworthy of housecleaning?
For the record, I fish straight-braid all year round without any leader,
but then again, I only target stupid bass with poor eyesight 
Roger
MassYak85 reply :
You should be fine using straight braid when bed fishing. They are mainly hitting it out of aggression and just don't want the bait near their bed. That being said what was your leader setup (knot, what lb braid to what lb leader)?
ww2farmer reply :
You must not be tying the alberto knot right. I have never broke it, and use it all the time.
Darren. reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 7:32 AM, YoungPlug said:May I ask what knot you tie?
Sure! I mostly tie a uni-to-uni, or
a modified Albright where I go up
about 8-15 wraps (depending on
line diameter), and back down
7-10 times, then moisten, tighten.
I give strong pulls before ever dropping
my line.
So I've practice-tied these knots for
years. Getting a well-tied knot is
crucial, IMO.
Marshfly reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 8:33 AM, YoungPlug said:I use a palomar for line-lure connection. For line-leader I generally use an alberto but it has failed me multiple times. Any line-leader suggestions?
I normally go Albright but if you are having problems you might have too much difference in the diameter of the line and leader. Try doubling up the thin line you are using. I'm usually using 20-40# Suffix 832 so don't have to do that.
NCbassraider reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 4:55 AM, YoungPlug said:So today I went out on my local golf course ponds to see if any fish were on beds yet. Sure enough 2 4-5 pound fish were sitting right where I could pitch to. Bigger of the 2 ate my jig immediately and I set the hook. My leader to main line knot broke and now the fish has a 3/8 oz black and blue AP jig in her lip.
What I want to know is:
-How necessary are leaders when bed fishing? (Is straight braid ok?)
-Will the jig rust out? (Hate to see a fish like that have a jig in it for the rest of its life...)
I'm really not too mad about losing the fish, more worried that it won't be able to spawn because of my jig.
Tie straight braid all the time. It doesn't make a difference, bedding or not. They're not looking at your line and analyzing, they're fish.
As others said, palomar knot is the way to go.
The hook won't rust out. if it's in the corners of it's mouth, they'll shake it out soon enough. if you drove it though the roof of the mouth, it's gonna be there a while. I think if the bait is outside the mouth, they can live with it until it works free.
geo g reply :
Leader is not needed, and I doubt that hook will rust out. If it is a good size fish it will continue to eat as long as the throat is not blocked off. There is a good shot at catching that bass in the future if you know where it lives. Then you can remove both hooks. I have caught fish with hooks from rattle traps, zaro spooks, and big swimbaits and they still wanted to eat.
CTBassin860 reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 8:38 AM, RoLo said:
Why would a spawning bass that's cleaning house, decide that braided line is unworthy of housecleaning?
For the record, I fish straight-braid all year round without any leader,
but then again, I'm only targeting stupid bass with poor eyesight
Roger
Never used a leader in my life.One less thing to fail
jbw252 reply :
Yup - straight braid, no leader ever.
RoLo reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 9:29 AM, MassBassin508 said:Never used a leader in my life.One less thing to fail
Exactly
In addition to one less knot, I'd much rather fight a 12-pound bass
on knotted braid than knotted fluorocarbon...but no one goes there.
Roger
CTBassin860 reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 9:35 AM, RoLo said:
Exactly
In addition to one less knot, I'd much rather fight a 12-pound bass
on knotted braid than knotted fluorocarbon...but no one goes there.
Roger
I like the way you think partner
everythingthatswims reply :
Man that's an original name that I'm sure wasn't inspired by a youtube star
EastCoastAngler reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 7:32 AM, YoungPlug said:May I ask what knot you tie?
Use a double uni knot for main line to leader connections. This is my go to knot for all connection applications.
CTBassin860 reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 10:15 AM, everythingthatswims said:Man that's an original name that I'm sure wasn't inspired by a youtube star
Who's that?
Catt reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 8:38 AM, RoLo said:
Why would a spawning bass that's cleaning house, decide that braided line is unworthy of housecleaning?
For the record, I fish straight-braid all year round without any leader,
but then again, I only target stupid bass with poor eyesight
Roger
Now I know what the problem is... We have Florida bass here!
RoLo reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 10:57 AM, Catt said:Now I know what the problem is... We have Florida bass here!
Now tell me, how bad a problem is that?
Catt reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 11:01 AM, RoLo said:
Now tell me, how bad a problem is that?
As long as it ain't Gators no problem 
everythingthatswims reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 10:30 AM, MassBassin508 said:Who's that?
Jon B. has referred to himself as that for quite some time
ClackerBuzz reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 8:33 AM, YoungPlug said:For line-leader I generally use an alberto but it has failed me multiple times. Any line-leader suggestions?
don't worry you're not alone. for whatever reason i could never get that knot to work. it even failed me while casting and i watched my new buzzbait sail off into the distance. obviously it's a user error but i just couldn't get Alberto or Albright to work. I now use Uni to uni and have never had a failure.
MassYak85 reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 11:20 AM, ClackerBuzz said:don't worry you're not alone. for whatever reason i could never get that knot to work. it even failed me while casting and i watched my new buzzbait sail off into the distance. obviously it's a user error but i just couldn't get Alberto or Albright to work. I now use Uni to uni and have never had a failure.
It's weird I was the exact opposite. Had multiple Uni to Uni's snap on hooksets and now use Albright's with no issues. Just goes to show with all the info we share sometimes you've just got to see what works best for you.
Darren. reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 11:29 AM, MassYak85 said:It's weird I was the exact opposite. Had multiple Uni to Uni's snap on hooksets and now use Albright's with no issues. Just goes to show with all the info we share sometimes you've just got to see what works best for you.
For the last year, I've used uni-to-uni more than the
Albright/mod'd version and had 100% success with it
using 10, 15, and 20# braid to anywhere from a
4-15# leader (mainly 6, 8, and 10).
Now I can say that I've had some knots fail with very
slick leader line - P-Line Floroclear comes to mind here
in 6# diameter. But the failure always occurs when I've
tied and then pull-tested the knot before use. Have had
it fail with Albright, too. So with thinner diameter lines
I add more wraps. Takes care of the breakage problem.
Your experience may vary from mine, of course. But with
all these line-to-leader knot scenarios, use what works
best for you!
WRB reply :
Mid Feburary bed fish in N. Carolina? So how long was this 5 lber?
What lb test lines are you joining?
Tom
YoungPlug reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 10:15 AM, everythingthatswims said:Man that's an original name that I'm sure wasn't inspired by a youtube star
You're right ? love that man Jon B
On 2/19/2017 at 10:15 AM, everythingthatswims said:Man that's an original name that I'm sure wasn't inspired by a youtube star
You're right ? love that man Jon B
On 2/19/2017 at 11:39 AM, WRB said:Mid Feburary bed fish in N. Carolina? So how long was this 5 lber?
What lb test lines are you joining?
Tom
I didn't land the fish so just my estimation. Water temp is high 50's in Fayetteville though. We've had 2 weeks of mid to upper 70s
On 2/19/2017 at 11:39 AM, WRB said:Mid Feburary bed fish in N. Carolina? So how long was this 5 lber?
What lb test lines are you joining?
Tom
And 50 pound braid to 15 pound flouro. Don't have a dedicated frogging setup so I didn't want to waste all that braid...
Mosster47 reply :
Albright, wrap it nine times. Make sure you use the smaller diameter line as the one you wrap. It's very important you lubricate the lines before you sinch them.
I use the same leader WAY too long. I've got entire seasons with the same leader and have still never had the knot fail on any rig.
Crestliner2008 reply :
I've been using the Alberto knot (not really a knot, more of a weave) for many, many years now. Since leaving the Uni/Uni connection to my leaders and going with this knot, I have rarely ever experienced a failure. I believe failures using the Alberto are mainly due to a hurried tie. I tighten up the knot in stages, wetting it as I go. And I do change my leader knots ever two or three trips, just to be on the safe side.
I know some camps don't like leaders. I do, mainly because braid itself has little to no stretch. And most folks, when excited, then to over set the sharp hooks on the lures and jigs that are available to us these days. Consequently, you need some kind of shock absorption in order not to break off.
The other thing is that braid is not very abrasion resistant. Not nearly as much as a good quality fluorocarbon leader has. So it becomes a win-win situation for me. And like I said, with properly tied knots there should not be a problem with leaders under normal conditions.
MickD reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 8:33 AM, YoungPlug said:I use a palomar for line-lure connection. For line-leader I generally use an alberto but it has failed me multiple times. Any line-leader suggestions?
Many use the Alberto and swear by it, so I agree with the poster who suggests you are not tying it correctly. Look at this video and pay particular attention to the sticking the tag end back through the loop. If you go through in the wrong direction it will fail.
MrTightLInes reply :
I can't help but dislike the "back wrap" on the Alberto.
Everything about knot tying specifies to have your wraps clean, symmetrical and not bunched over itself. Well, those "back wraps" on the Alberto seems very ... what's the word. Dirty? Just seems to go against everything I've learned about tying knots in the last year. I'm new at this so I don't like to criticize but this is something I've noticed about the Alberto. Is this knot supposed to be superior to, say, a double uni when using Fluoro to Braid connections? I've only ever done uni to unit and mostly only on a drop shot. Never would cross my mind to worry about the presentation on a vicious bed fish cleaning up the home.
frosty reply :
I can't add to anything anyone has said but I find this website helpful for learning new knots
http://www.***.com/fishing_knots
well if you google net knots .com into your browser it should get you there
NCbassraider reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 9:03 PM, Crestliner2008 said:
I know some camps don't like leaders. I do, mainly because braid itself has little to no stretch. And most folks, when excited, then to over set the sharp hooks on the lures and jigs that are available to us these days. Consequently, you need some kind of shock absorption in order not to break off.
I fish straight braid and have no problems with lack of stretch. I think that's way over rated to begin with but I just keep my drag a little looser and problem solved....if there was a problem to begin with.
You are right, most anglers set their hooks way to hard. It's from watching TV where those guys do it for show. Now everyone with a camera has a youtube channel and are ripping the lips off the fish. It takes little to no hook set with the hooks and equipment we have today.
CTBassin860 reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 11:41 PM, NCbassraider said:I fish straight braid and have no problems with lack of stretch. I think that's way over rated to begin with but I just keep my drag a little looser and problem solved....if there was a problem to begin with.
You are right, most anglers set their hooks way to hard. It's from watching TV where those guys do it for show. Now everyone with a camera has a youtube channel and are ripping the lips off the fish. It takes little to no hook set with the hooks and equipment we have today.
Absolutely,with the quality of Owner and Trokar,those hooks nearly set themselves.
LuckyHandsINC. reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 11:41 PM, NCbassraider said:I fish straight braid and have no problems with lack of stretch. I think that's way over rated to begin with but I just keep my drag a little looser and problem solved....if there was a problem to begin with.
You are right, most anglers set their hooks way to hard. It's from watching TV where those guys do it for show. Now everyone with a camera has a youtube channel and are ripping the lips off the fish. It takes little to no hook set with the hooks and equipment we have today.
So true. I always argue with one of my friends about how ridiculous his hooksets are. I just use a quick lift of the rod. He literally leaves bruises on his belly from jamming it in and ripping so hard. Needless to say he breaks off more than he should.
WRB reply :
It's very unusual for LMB to spawn before the water warms to 62+ degrees, but nothing in nature is always predictable. You discribed 2 big bass together, that is also very unusual without a smaller male at the nest site. I only been bass fishing for over 6 decades and can't accurately estimate a bass weight without landing it. I can make a good estimate how long a bass is in the water, the bent light rays doesn't distort length, does distort girth.
5 lb northern strain LMB is about 20" long.
It's more than likely the bass you hooked was one of a pair of cruising females hunting for prey in this pond, so the leader may have made a difference in getting her to strike.
I don't believe in using FC for bass fishing leaders, poor knot strength compared to premium mono.
Good luck,
Tom
OCdockskipper reply :
In regards to leaders vs not, I think the obvious needs to be stated: No one wants to use a leader. Conditions, specifically water clarity, time of the year and the type of presentation dictate whether or not a leader is a better choice than not. To uniformly declare that leaders are never needed or that they should always be used ignores the factors one runs into on each body of water.
The reason there are "Midwest Finesse" and "West Coast" tactics is because a majority of the bodies of water in those areas differ substantially from those in the South or East Coast. Using 65 lb braid with no leader to fish a small swim bait or tube in Lake Mead is akin to choosing to use 8 lb test with a leader while flipping a jig in Lake Okeechobee. Neither is the best choice.
Fun4Me reply :
I use an FG knot when tying a leader to braid and *knock on wood* have never had a knot failure.
MickD reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 11:41 PM, NCbassraider said:I fish straight braid and have no problems with lack of stretch. I think that's way over rated to begin with but I just keep my drag a little looser and problem solved....if there was a problem to begin with.
You are right, most anglers set their hooks way to hard. It's from watching TV where those guys do it for show. Now everyone with a camera has a youtube channel and are ripping the lips off the fish. It takes little to no hook set with the hooks and equipment we have today.
If you really watch the pros most of them are using moderate action rods for almost everything, so they can get away with more aggressive hook sets than all of us who are infatuated with the fastest actions we can find. In fact, it is necessary to be as aggressive as they are with the tackle they are using.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 2/19/2017 at 9:20 PM, MrTightLInes said:I can't help but dislike the "back wrap" on the Alberto.
Everything about knot tying specifies to have your wraps clean, symmetrical and not bunched over itself. Well, those "back wraps" on the Alberto seems very ... what's the word. Dirty? Just seems to go against everything I've learned about tying knots in the last year. I'm new at this so I don't like to criticize but this is something I've noticed about the Alberto. Is this knot supposed to be superior to, say, a double uni when using Fluoro to Braid connections? I've only ever done uni to unit and mostly only on a drop shot. Never would cross my mind to worry about the presentation on a vicious bed fish cleaning up the home.
I don't back wrap with the Alberto knot, I use a modified version with ten wraps before going back threw the loop. So there is no cross over if tied right, which increases knot strength and decreases knot diameter.
MrTightLInes reply :
^^ That sounds kosher for sure... or for sher? 
NCbassraider reply :
On 2/20/2017 at 7:43 AM, MickD said:
If you really watch the pros most of them are using moderate action rods for almost everything, so they can get away with more aggressive hook sets than all of us who are infatuated with the fastest actions we can find. In fact, it is necessary to be as aggressive as they are with the tackle they are using.
That's a pretty broad statement. And even with Mod action rods, the hook sets are ridiculous most of the time.
MickD reply :
On 2/20/2017 at 9:38 AM, NCbassraider said:That's a pretty broad statement. And even with Mod action rods, the hook sets are ridiculous most of the time.
It's a matter of opinion.
YoungPlug reply :
On 2/20/2017 at 1:30 AM, WRB said:It's very unusual for LMB to spawn before the water warms to 62+ degrees, but nothing in nature is always predictable. You discribed 2 big bass together, that is also very unusual without a smaller male at the nest site. I only been bass fishing for over 6 decades and can't accurately estimate a bass weight without landing it. I can make a good estimate how long a bass is in the water, the bent light rays doesn't distort length, does distort girth.
5 lb northern strain LMB is about 20" long.
It's more than likely the bass you hooked was one of a pair of cruising females hunting for prey in this pond, so the leader may have made a difference in getting her to strike.
I don't believe in using FC for bass fishing leaders, poor knot strength compared to premium mono.
Good luck,
Tom
Thanks for the insight Tom! Now that you mention it, it is odd that those two were so similar in size. I actually tried straight braid today and caught my PB off of a bed in a power plant lake!
WRB reply :
On 2/20/2017 at 1:15 PM, YoungPlug said:Thanks for the insight Tom! Now that you mention it, it is odd that those two were so similar in size. I actually tried straight braid today and caught my PB off of a bed in a power plant lake!
Nice catch, congratulations
Catt reply :
It's quite common & well documented that bass can & in fact do spawn in temperatures in the mid to upper 50s.
As for the two big bass together, it is also quite common & well documented male weighing 4-6 lbs; Texas ShareLunker documented one over 7 lbs.
Your two bass may well have been male & female!
kbeeb374 reply :
On 2/20/2017 at 3:00 AM, Fun4Me said:I use an FG knot when tying a leader to braid and *knock on wood* have never had a knot failure.
I also switched to the FG knot and it has not failed me yet.. I do however do the hard pull test before it ever touches water. I have had the leader break then but if it passes the pull test it hasn't failed yet.
Fisher-O-men reply :
Was that Yeti hat as expensive as their coolers? Keep your head amazingly cool or warm?
YoungPlug reply :
On 2/21/2017 at 2:14 AM, Fisher-O-men said:Was that Yeti hat as expensive as their coolers? Keep your head amazingly cool or warm?
A friend actually gave it to me when he got his cooler. They look nice brand new but bleach out pretty quickly. I was a lifeguard last summer and my hat looks pink on the sides now 
Fun4Me reply :
On 2/21/2017 at 1:42 AM, kbeeb374 said:I also switched to the FG knot and it has not failed me yet.. I do however do the hard pull test before it ever touches water. I have had the leader break then but if it passes the pull test it hasn't failed yet.
I do the same thing. If I can pull it fairly tight before ever casting it, I've never had one break.
Fisher-O-men reply :
On 2/21/2017 at 3:43 AM, YoungPlug said:A friend actually gave it to me when he got his cooler.
You get a hat with those coolers? No wonder they are so expensive!
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