Stradic FK "Hagane" review up at TT 2024
Darren. reply :
Gets great marks from the reviewer.
http://tackletour.com/reviewshimanostradicfk.html
A-Jay reply :
Sweet ~ What's not to like about that ?
Interesting to note ~ from the reviewer "The 2500 and 3000 sizes look almost identical and both weigh in at 8.3oz. with the main difference being line capacity and a retrieve ratio of 6.0:1 for the 2500 model versus 6.2:1 for the 3000 model. At 8.3oz. the Stradic FK is certainly not a heavyweight, but it does feel substantial, and you will want to test it out on various rods to determine whether or not it balances out your rig the way you like. "
"The Stradic ST-2000 was the very first spinning reel to ever be awardedan Editor’s Choice from us all the way back in
2001, and Shimano proves that they are still on top of their spinning game with this latest iteration. The Stradic FK doesn’t build on traditional design elements or cosmetics specifically tying it to the past, instead the FK is a revolution in the series versus just another evolution, and anglers looking for a high performance spinning reel at and around the 200 dollar price point should definitely consider it."
I'm looking for a replacement in the 3000 size. This could be a contender . . . .
A-Jay
Darren. reply :
LOL, I almost put that first quote up, too.
I just need to keep the Baitmonkey at bay
since I just upgraded to FJ models...
smallie.mike reply :
I have one of the new fk's and prefer my fj's.
The 2500 and 3000 have always been the same size, only difference is the spool depth and sometimes the knob is different.
Darren. reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 1:16 AM, smallie.mike said:I have one of the new fk's and prefer my fj's.
The 2500 and 3000 have always been the same size, only difference is the spool depth and sometimes the knob is different.
Phew. Thanks Mike. That makes me feel better, LOL.
I love my FJ's, X-Ship is amazing. Plan on keeping
them for a looong time.
smallie.mike reply :
Ok I just read this review and have an issue with it. They say the this new stradic has an all metal body which is not true. It's just like the fj, the stem half is aluminum and the other half that holds the internal gears and whatnot is composite.
On 1/26/2016 at 1:18 AM, Darren. said:Phew. Thanks Mike. That makes me feel better, LOL.
I love my FJ's, X-Ship is amazing. Plan on keeping
them for a looong time.
I like the fk but I don't think it's worth the price increase. It's feels and looks cheap compared to the fj in my hands anyway.
tomustang reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 1:22 AM, smallie.mike said:Ok I just read this review and have an issue with it. They say the this new stradic has an all metal body which is not true. It's just like the fj, the stem half is aluminum and the other half that holds the internal gears and whatnot is composite.
I like the fk but I don't think it's worth the price increase. It's feels and looks cheap compared to the fj in my hands anyway.
Cheap is a relative term. Carbon fiber is a good example of something feeling cheap yet strong and more efficient in many ways to other material.
A-Jay reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 1:22 AM, smallie.mike said:Ok I just read this review and have an issue with it. They say the this new stradic has an all metal body which is not true. It's just like the fj, the stem half is aluminum and the other half that holds the internal gears and whatnot is composite.
I like the fk but I don't think it's worth the price increase. It's feels and looks cheap compared to the fj in my hands anyway.
I have never been a big fan of style / design construction. Also sounds like a perfect candidate for the TW Demo program, though it doesn't look like it's available just yet for the try before you buy deal.
A-Jay
smallie.mike reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 1:33 AM, tomustang said:Cheap is a relative term. Carbon fiber is a good example of something feeling cheap yet strong and more efficient in many ways to other material.
The fk is not made from carbon fiber. It's made from the same materials as the fj. Side by side the build quality and look of the fk feels "cheaper" in my opinion. Not sure what other term to use.
Darren. reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 1:42 AM, smallie.mike said:The fk is not made from carbon fiber. It's made from the same materials as the fj. Side by side the build quality and look of the fk feels "cheaper" in my opinion. Not sure what other term to use.
What about weight, Mike?
Do they feel the same to you? I know the
"hard weight" mentioned in the article, but
just curious as to your opinion/feel having
used both.
OkobojiEagle reply :
"Hagane concept"... I have a concept also. No metal body, no carbon fiber multi-disc drag, no back-reel toggle, no purchase.
oe
smallie.mike reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 2:36 AM, Darren. said:What about weight, Mike?
Do they feel the same to you? I know the
"hard weight" mentioned in the article, but
just curious as to your opinion/feel having
used both.
Side by side on the same rod the fk does feel lighter, but I've never been concerned with weight. They both balance well on a 7' avid.
21farms reply :
okay, i'm super confused. on the U.S. shimano website, it says that both the 2500 and 3000 sizes have 6.0:1 gears and the same line retrieve of 35" per turn. but both TT and TW say that the 3000 has 6.2:1 gears and so there must be difference in IPT as well. also, the shimano website says both weigh the same 8.3 ounces and both offer 20 pounds of max drag whereas the JDM stradic 2500 and 3000 FKs have differences of 3cm in retrieve, 20g in weight and 5kg difference in drag. TT's review makes no mention of the claimed 20 lbs. of max drag.
OkobojiEagle reply :
Apparently a Stradic looses something in translation...
oe
smallie.mike reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 5:42 AM, 21farms said:okay, i'm super confused. on the U.S. shimano website, it says that both the 2500 and 3000 sizes have 6.0:1 gears and the same line retrieve of 35" per turn. but both TT and TW say that the 3000 has 6.2:1 gears and so there must be difference in IPT as well. also, the shimano website says both weigh the same 8.3 ounces and both offer 20 pounds of max drag whereas the JDM stradic 2500 and 3000 FKs have differences of 3cm in retrieve, 20g in weight and 5kg difference in drag. TT's review makes no mention of the claimed 20 lbs. of max drag.
Don't worry about all those facts... all you need to know is that it has hagane technology.
Darren. reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 5:42 AM, 21farms said:okay, i'm super confused. on the U.S. shimano website, it says that both the 2500 and 3000 sizes have 6.0:1 gears and the same line retrieve of 35" per turn. but both TT and TW say that the 3000 has 6.2:1 gears and so there must be difference in IPT as well. also, the shimano website says both weigh the same 8.3 ounces and both offer 20 pounds of max drag whereas the JDM stradic 2500 and 3000 FKs have differences of 3cm in retrieve, 20g in weight and 5kg difference in drag. TT's review makes no mention of the claimed 20 lbs. of max drag.
Curious....
Japan Tackle has it at 6.2:1 as well but there are 3 3000 models:
The 5.0:1 is C3000
The 6.0:1 is C3000HG
The 6.2:1 is 3000XGM
http://japantackle.com/spinning-reels/shimano/standard-models/shimano-15stradic-spinning-reels.html
Chris at Tech reply :
Wow - a positive Shimano review on TT? How unusual... 
But in all seriousness, I like Stradics so I'm sure this is a good one too.
tomustang reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 1:42 AM, smallie.mike said:The fk is not made from carbon fiber. It's made from the same materials as the fj. Side by side the build quality and look of the fk feels "cheaper" in my opinion. Not sure what other term to use.
"Example"
You must've missed that part.
smallie.mike reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 9:27 AM, tomustang said:"Example"
You must've missed that part.
Nope didn't miss it... you said "Carbon fiber is a good example of something feeling cheap yet strong and more efficient in many ways to other material."
So what materials are the new fk made from that make it feel cheap but yet are stronger and more efficient than other materials?
For me it's similar to the symetre. Look at a symetre fj next to the new symetre fl and tell me which looks cheaper.
tomustang reply :
It's like talking to a wall. It's an example, you missed it again, If I really cared to stop you from taking the example and trying to apply it to whatever the FK is made of then I would, but I dont.
smallie.mike reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 11:28 AM, tomustang said:It's like talking to a wall. It's an example, you missed it again, If I really cared to stop you from taking the example and trying to apply it to whatever the FK is made of then I would, but I dont.
You need to look up the definition of example.
Molay1292 reply :
The Shimano web-site advertises the FK as an all metal body and then go into detail about how much better it makes the reel.
Are we 100% sure the body is not some form of metal alloy?
smallie.mike reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 11:50 AM, Molay1292 said:The Shimano web-site advertises the FK as an all metal body and then go into detail about how much better it makes the reel.
Are we 100% sure the body is not some form of metal alloy?
The stem is aluminum, The sideplate part or whatever you want to call that holds the gears is composite. It's just like the fj half aluminum and half composite. And yes I'm 100% sure. I'll post pictures when I get a chance.
Molay1292 reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 11:55 AM, smallie.mike said:The stem is aluminum, The sideplate part or whatever you want to call that holds the gears is composite. It's just like the fj half aluminum and half composite. And yes I'm 100% sure. I'll post pictures when I get a chance.
Cool, if you use the same terms as that of the schematics, then the part with the foot is the side-plate and the portion that houses the gears and bearings the body. This all seems rather mis-leading.
smallie.mike reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 11:58 AM, Molay1292 said:Cool, if you use the same terms as that of the schematics, then the part with the foot is the side-plate and the portion that houses the gears and bearings the body. This all seems rather mis-leading.
Yep the body is composite, just like the fj was.
iabass8 reply :
I think fried dumplings are exquisite. Steamed...not so much.
Molay1292 reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 12:18 PM, iabass8 said:I think fried dumplings are exquisite. Steamed...not so much.
Interesting, how would you feel if you bought and paid for fried dumplings, but they brought you steamed?
iabass8 reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 1:19 PM, Molay1292 said:Interesting, how would you feel if you bought and paid for fried dumplings, but they brought you steamed?
What if ....soup...was eaten with a...fork?
Molay1292 reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 7:41 PM, iabass8 said:What if ....soup...was eaten with a...fork?
I could give a fork less
smallie.mike reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 11:50 AM, Molay1292 said:The Shimano web-site advertises the FK as an all metal body and then go into detail about how much better it makes the reel.
Are we 100% sure the body is not some form of metal alloy?
Here is a video of the stradic being taken apart. Fast forward to 3:15 when the aluminum stem side is removed. The part that's left "the body" that holds all the gears is composite. If you pause and look closely you can tell it's composite.
I'll take mine apart again when I get a chance and post close up pictures.
kickerfish1 reply :
Sharp looking reel that carries the Stradic name. Not sure how much I want/need one. Not too worried about the body material. There was a lot of fuss about the Zaion body material Daiwa started using. Well they are still using it today and I haven't had any issues with it.
smallie.mike reply :
On 1/27/2016 at 2:39 AM, kickerfish1 said:Sharp looking reel that carries the Stradic name. Not sure how much I want/need one. Not too worried about the body material. There was a lot of fuss about the Zaion body material Daiwa started using. Well they are still using it today and I haven't had any issues with it.
That's not the point. Shimano advertises this reel as having an all metal body which it doesn't. People should be worried about misleading false advertising.
I have no issues with the materials, the fj is made the same with a half composite half aluminum body and it's a great reel.
But if it carries the stradic name like you said, nothing else matters to some I guess. Same thing with the curado I, it's gotta be worth the extra money over the citica just because it's got the name curado on it.
fishballer06 reply :
Great review. I picked up the 2500 in this reel at the end of the season. I can't wait to test it out come spring time.
iabass8 reply :
On 1/26/2016 at 11:03 PM, Molay1292 said:I could give a fork less
Forkless....or tuna /w mayo?
Molay1292 reply :
On 1/27/2016 at 6:34 AM, iabass8 said:Forkless....or tuna /w mayo?
I'll play your silly game
smallie.mike reply :
I noticed TT made some changes to their original review. 
Quote from the new modified review...
"The Hagane body means that the body is constructed primarily out of metal, which is not only tough but also provides more exacting tolerances in which to hold all the moving parts, the guts of the reel. It is easy to understand why these features make sense on a larger more powerful reels like the TwinPower or bigger Stella models for example, but Shimano believes that these features translate equally well for reels like the smaller Stradic FK models, and this is the first Shimano spinning reel designed primarily for freshwater to debut with the Hagane concept. On the Stradic FK the main frame of the reel is made out of aluminum, the part that connects to the arm, while the other side is durable compsite. This isn't all that different than some previous generation Shimano reels, it is just branded as Hagane now. Regardless of all the marketing nomenclature we were eager to see how the reel would perform in the field."
MRG reply :
Let's face it, these marketing buzzwords such as Hagane and Zaion are typically 99.985% BS hype and .015% substance. The various big tackle company marketing departments like to engage in this practice of conjuring up interesting sounding names and applying them to something that has been around for years. In most cases, I think it's best to ignore this sort of hype and judge a reel based on functional and aesthetic qualities.
tomustang reply :
On 1/28/2016 at 11:35 AM, MRG said:Let's face it, these marketing buzzwords such as Hagane and Zaion are typically 99.985% BS hype and .015% substance. The various big tackle company marketing departments like to engage in this practice of conjuring up interesting sounding names and applying them to something that has been around for years. In most cases, I think it's best to ignore this sort of hype and judge a reel based on functional and aesthetic qualities.
You'll hurt a fanboys feeling saying that
smallie.mike reply :
On 1/28/2016 at 11:35 AM, MRG said:Let's face it, these marketing buzzwords such as Hagane and Zaion are typically 99.985% BS hype and .015% substance. The various big tackle company marketing departments like to engage in this practice of conjuring up interesting sounding names and applying them to something that has been around for years. In most cases, I think it's best to ignore this sort of hype and judge a reel based on functional and aesthetic qualities.
I agree it's mostly hype and buzzwords....But how can one judge a reel on functional qualities when the manufacturer isn't specific or falsely advertises what materials the reel is made of?
To me an aluminum or composite frame is a functional quality.
If you go to shimano's website and look at the specs for the stradic fk it says it has a metal body. If you look a schematic the part listed as the "body" that houses all the gears and bearings is composite. In my opinion that's false advertisement.
oomph reply :
Trying to decide if I want to buy one or buy another Ci4 2500, which I really enjoy fishing with. Anyone own both and can provide feedback?
bootytrain reply :
On 1/28/2016 at 3:49 PM, oomph said:Trying to decide if I want to buy one or buy another Ci4 2500, which I really enjoy fishing with. Anyone own both and can provide feedback?
You may want to wait, a new Stradic Ci4 is coming out
oomph reply :
When is the new stradic Ci4 due out?
iabass8 reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 1:20 AM, oomph said:When is the new stradic Ci4 due out?
This year
oomph reply :
This year as in by the Spring season? or as in at some other point later in the year.
iabass8 reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 2:25 AM, oomph said:This year as in by the Spring season? or as in at some point during the year.
This year we will find out that the reel is coming out sometime later this year and will be sold out for preorders and then be available for purchase later this year
smallie.mike reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 3:09 AM, iabass8 said:This year we will find out that the reel is coming out sometime later this year and will be sold out for preorders and then be available for purchase later this year
Is it too early to start recommending this reel even though I've never even seen a picture of it yet?
oomph reply :
ok, so back to my original question then. How does the Ci4+ compare to the new FK?
I'm buying another reel for this spring, and I'd like to hear an opinion from someone that may happen to own both models.
iabass8 reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 3:23 AM, smallie.mike said:Is it too early to start recommending this reel even though I've never even seen a picture of it yet?
everybody likes pizza
smallie.mike reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 6:10 AM, iabass8 said:everybody likes pizza
Broken pencils are pointless
iabass8 reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 6:36 AM, smallie.mike said:Broken pencils are pointless
negative. Broken pencil =2 pencils=more money for pizza.
smallie.mike reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 5:04 AM, oomph said:ok, so back to my original question then. How does the Ci4+ compare to the new FK?
I'm buying another reel for this spring, and I'd like to hear an opinion from someone that may happen to own both models.
I have the 2500 fk a ci4+4000 and numerous stradic fj's. I haven't used the new fk all that much but so far I still favor the fj's and the ci4, but thats just my opinion. They are all good reels and I'm not even a shimano fan. I'd say buy ci4+ if you want the lighter reel otherwise I'd look for a good deal on a new fj or fk.
Klebs01 reply :
Keep in mind the handles are different. I prefer the round Eva on the ci4, but it's all personal preference.
oomph reply :
yes, I prefer EVA as well. I find the ci4 very comfortable to use. Ergonomics was something that I was considering.
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