Interesting Read - Fluoro 2024
BrackishBassin reply :
Ran across this in a saltwater forum I frequent. Interesting information and worth a read.
https://activeanglingnz.com/2016/01/04/the-fluorocarbon-myth/
APK62 reply :
Great read !
A-Jay reply :
Old News.
A-Jay
WRB reply :
There are no panaceas with fishing line...none!
I have struggled with FC for decades, a love hate affair.
The last paragraph of the attached article, before it's summary, is important to bass anglers. FC gives anglers better feel for what bottom contact lures are doing and that is the primary reason to use it. Poor knot strength and casting performance are reasons not to use it. The article didn't go into what I believe is a virtue with FC line and is coeffient if drag going through water is very low and coupled with better feed back is a real benefit to bass anglers. Line and knot failures at unopertune times is a real deasater to bass anglers. Dammed if you do and damned if you don't, I finally chose not to use FC line, not because of the expense, because of random line failures.
Tom
BrackishBassin reply :
On 9/20/2017 at 6:40 AM, WRB said:There are no panaceas with fishing line...none!
I have struggled with FC for decades, a love hate affair.
The last paragraph of the attached article, before it's summary, is important to bass anglers. FC gives anglers better feel for what bottom contact lures are doing and that is the primary reason to use it. Poor knot strength and casting performance are reasons not to use it. The article didn't go into what I believe is a virtue with FC line and is coeffient if drag going through water is very low and coupled with better feed back is a real benefit to bass anglers. Line and knot failures at unopertune times is a real deasater to bass anglers. Dammed if you do and damned if you don't, I finally chose not to use FC line, not because of the expense, because of random line failures.
Tom
Curious how the drag coefficient would be different between mono and fluoro of the same diameter.
Russ E reply :
On 9/20/2017 at 6:40 AM, WRB said:There are no panaceas with fishing line...none!
I have struggled with FC for decades, a love hate affair.
The last paragraph of the attached article, before it's summary, is important to bass anglers. FC gives anglers better feel for what bottom contact lures are doing and that is the primary reason to use it. Poor knot strength and casting performance are reasons not to use it. The article didn't go into what I believe is a virtue with FC line and is coeffient if drag going through water is very low and coupled with better feed back is a real benefit to bass anglers. Line and knot failures at unopertune times is a real deasater to bass anglers. Dammed if you do and damned if you don't, I finally chose not to use FC line, not because of the expense, because of random line failures.
Tom
+1
WRB reply :
On 9/20/2017 at 6:59 AM, BrackishBassin said:
Curious how the drag coefficient would be different between mono and fluoro of the same diameter.
It's easy to test for yourself if you have a boat. Cut off anything that is tied onto the end of you line and let out about 30 yards of line and drag it behind the boat at walking speed. You can feel drag of the line going through water, mono of the same diameter will feel much heavier then FC line and when you make slow wide turns the mono stays in the wake in a bow, FC straightens out with very little bow.
I drag line behind my boat often to untwist it and that is how I discovered the difference in drag pressure.
Tom
BrackishBassin reply :
On 9/20/2017 at 7:37 AM, WRB said:It's easy to test for yourself if you have a boat. Cut off anything that is tied onto the end of you line and let out about 30 yards of line and drag it behind the boat at walking speed. You can feel drag of the line going through water, mono of the same diameter will feel much heavier then FC line and when you make slow wide turns the mono stays in the wake in a bow, FC straightens out with very little bow.
I drag line behind my boat often to untwist it and that is how I discovered the difference in drag pressure.
Tom
No time to take the boat out due to my twin boys, so I'll have to take your word for that. But that's definitely interesting. I wonder if it might have to do with the fact that mono soaks up water. Can't think of any other reason unless there are differences in how smooth the line is at the microscopic level.
WRB reply :
Nearly everyone who fishes with both Nylon mono and FC thinks mono stretches far more than FC because they feel drag in the water not the line streching and believe the mono is strecthing when it isn't. The bottom line is the line must be tight, no slack or bow in the water to put enough to force to stretch line and then the force must approach the materials yield strength, about 30-40% of it's ultimate tensile strength.
With 10 lb test line for example the force to stretch it is between 3 to 4 lbs, that fully loads up a MH bass rod before the line can start to stretch.
Keeping in touch with lures is important and perception is important, if you believe FC gives you better feel with less stretch, that is important.
Tom
Team9nine reply :
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Mike L reply :
On 9/20/2017 at 6:40 AM, WRB said:There are no panaceas with fishing line...none!
I have struggled with FC for decades, a love hate affair.
The last paragraph of the attached article, before it's summary, is important to bass anglers. FC gives anglers better feel for what bottom contact lures are doing and that is the primary reason to use it. Poor knot strength and casting performance are reasons not to use it. The article didn't go into what I believe is a virtue with FC line and is coeffient if drag going through water is very low and coupled with better feed back is a real benefit to bass anglers. Line and knot failures at unopertune times is a real deasater to bass anglers. Dammed if you do and damned if you don't, I finally chose not to use FC line, not because of the expense, because of random line failures.
Tom
I need to stop repling to these threads...
I've been useing flouro for years and have not had the problems most of you keep saying you have.
If the knot is tied correctly there is no "poor knot strength" just because you're useing flouro.
If your reel isn't adjusted correctly there is no "poor casting performance" just because you're useing flouro..
All I know is I'm convinced that the benefits of useing a quality flouro for presentations that will benefit from it, far out weigh any real or percieved negative.
Flouro is not a panacea, but niether is braid, co ploy, or dare I say mono.
Now all the Mono Forever guys will jump all over me again, and come up with all the science, testing, polls, and opinions that will prove....Ahh, never mind
Mike
Jeff H reply :
Trivial BS. Use whatever you want/like. I'm happy with my mono... and braid in some cases.
wdp reply :
To me, FC has improved greatly over the last 15 years. When I first started using it, it was very stiff and very unmanageable. I also had a lotta knot failures & line breakages, especially with Berkley Transition. Tried a few others that were better in the failure department, but were still stiff & hard to use.
The last few yrs I've been using Invizx in 12 & 15 lb test for all my cranking. It's great line & very manageable. Not all FC lines are created equally.
WRB reply :
I am good at tying knots and won several knot tying contest, so that isn't my issue with FC line, it's FC line knot strength under fishing conditions when the knot is stressed quickly it may fail. If you haven't had a big bass break you off near the boat you are lucky. This rarely happens to me using mono and I am annal about retying knots, checking my line and setting my drags.
Watching bass over 8 lbs break the line for no apparent reason will get your attention and it's happened to me more often than I care to remember with FC line. Keep in mind I use light line 7 lb to 14 lb test and have tried them all over the past 25 years.
Tom
Mike L reply :
I feel for you, I have had fish break me off useing flouro, but if I remember right it wasn't at the knot but above it.
I assumed it was on a weak spot as I had a backlash a few casts before and was rushing to get it out so I blamed it on that.
I admit, thats the biggest problem I have useing flouro, really have to be extra careful when that happens.
Mike
clh121787 reply :
On 9/20/2017 at 9:09 AM, Mike L said:I need to stop repling to these threads...
I've been useing flouro for years and have not had the problems most of you keep saying you have.
If the knot is tied correctly there is no "poor knot strength" just because you're useing flouro.
If your reel isn't adjusted correctly there is no "poor casting performance" just because you're useing flouro..
All I know is I'm convinced that the benefits of useing a quality flouro for presentations that will benefit from it, far out weigh any real or percieved negative.
Flouro is not a panacea, but niether is braid, co ploy, or dare I say mono.
Now all the Mono Forever guys will jump all over me again, and come up with all the science, testing, polls, and opinions that will prove....Ahh, never mind
Mike
I'm with Mike on this one.
A-Jay reply :
I was a serious FC hater for a long time. The characteristics of very poor knot strength & unexplained, random line failures when it was first introduced completely turned me away.
Fast forward a few years. Improvements in the product had others singing praises of FC. I decided to give it another try. Admittedly, though I tried to go into this second ‘test’ with an open mind, because the line had burned me so bad (insert cost me several nice fish) I was very skeptical.
After a bit of time & some trial & error, I began to gain confidence in it as well as having some decent success.
I now use FC as part of my every day fishing. I am very careful with the line; meaning I treat it often, my knots are done with full attention, and contrary to what many do, I change it out; not as often as my mono lines. However, after I end for end it on the reel one time, and I as soon as it shows signs of wear, I can it. At least once perhaps twice a season depending on use. This has works for me as I have not had any of the 'problems' associated with my first rather brutal FC experience.
Bottom line for me is that FC a tool that I use to help catch fish. If it’s doing that successfully and in a manner that I believe is a bit better than another option, I’ll use it. (except in Mexico) So to that end, I’ve been using FC this year exclusively for my jerkbait & spinnerbait fishing. And in both instances I’ve had some fairly respectable results which included personal best fish.
YMMV.
A-Jay
fishwizzard reply :
The main issue I have with floro is that when I have to pull out a snagged lure, it seems to break far up the line, rather than at the knot. I have noticed this across a few different brands and weights. While it is not a huge deal, I would rather just leave a lure in the water then a lure and 15 yards of line hanging off of it.
I am going to give premium monos a try next season. I have been using Shooter Defier Armilo a good bit this year and have really liked it, even for jigs and other bottom contact lures.
J Francho reply :
On 9/20/2017 at 9:05 AM, Team9nine said:I'm looking for the right emoji to insert here, but I can't quite find it in the available list...
Team9nine reply :
On 9/20/2017 at 9:20 PM, J Francho said:
Here's what I know. I fish braid with fluorocarbon leaders extensively on spinning outfits, primarily 4-8# test of various lengths. Going this route puts much more stress on the fluoro leader, and both connecting knots, than if you were running straight fluoro, which I do on nearly every baitcast outfit. Over the past several years, I have landed numerous state "best in class" sized fish this way, including double digit sized hybrid stripers, channel and flathead cats, as well as buffalo and grass carp to near 40 pounds. If there were significant issues around fluoro, I would have experienced them by now.
NYWayfarer reply :
I have used straight fluorocarbon and hybrid lines like Kastking Fluorokote and I prefer the hybrid line. It really seems to be the best of both worlds.
With straight fluorocarbon I do have knot and line breakage at weird times and spots. I have experienced none of these issues with the hybrid line. The Fluorokote has been a godsend for trout fishing as I have been able to use heavier line and still catch them.
Todd2 reply :
And the endless debate goes on...much like Ginger or Mary Ann (yeah, showing my age). There likely will never be a winner...I'm a mono and Mary Ann guy...lol
Glenn reply :
Todd2 reply :
On 9/20/2017 at 10:59 PM, Glenn said:
I literally laughed out loud...good stuff.
Turtle135 reply :
On 9/20/2017 at 9:45 PM, Team9nine said:
What pound test flouro do you run on your baitcasting outfits? and how frequently do you break fish off?
MassYak85 reply :
Interesting read. I do have a little bit of an issue with how they addressed stretch and elasticity though. They seem to be implying Nylon is 100% elastic until it breaks, which is completely false. I think one of the articles they linked does a better job of scientifically tackling the debate.
http://www.bigindianabass.com/big_indiana_bass/the-truth-about-fluorocarbon.html
I do still think the articles outline plenty of positives for fluoro though. The low water absorption is a big one, along with density.
Team9nine reply :
On 9/21/2017 at 12:16 AM, Turtle135 said:What pound test flouro do you run on your baitcasting outfits? and how frequently do you break fish off?
Baitcasters, I run a lot of 8# and 10# fluoro for throwing Shad Raps and jerkbaits; 10-12# for mid and deep cranking; 15-16# fluoro for jigs, spinnerbaits, pitching, chatter baits; 20-25# fluoro for swimbaits and A-rigs.
Honestly can't remember the last bass (or bait) I broke off...it's been many years.
On 9/21/2017 at 12:42 AM, MassYak85 said:Interesting read. I do have a little bit of an issue with how they addressed stretch and elasticity though. They seem to be implying Nylon is 100% elastic until it breaks, which is completely false. I think one of the articles they linked does a better job of scientifically tackling the debate.
http://www.bigindianabass.com/big_indiana_bass/the-truth-about-fluorocarbon.html
I do still think the articles outline plenty of positives for fluoro though. The low water absorption is a big one, along with density.
Thank you very much, MassYak 
12poundbass reply :
On 9/21/2017 at 12:45 AM, Team9nine said:Thank you very much, MassYak
Lol ?
Primus reply :
On 9/20/2017 at 9:09 AM, Mike L said:I need to stop repling to these threads...
I've been useing flouro for years and have not had the problems most of you keep saying you have.
If the knot is tied correctly there is no "poor knot strength" just because you're useing flouro.
If your reel isn't adjusted correctly there is no "poor casting performance" just because you're useing flouro..
All I know is I'm convinced that the benefits of useing a quality flouro for presentations that will benefit from it, far out weigh any real or percieved negative.
Flouro is not a panacea, but niether is braid, co ploy, or dare I say mono.
Now all the Mono Forever guys will jump all over me again, and come up with all the science, testing, polls, and opinions that will prove....Ahh, never mind
Mike
I'm with you on this one Mike as are the vast majority of anglers on the B.A.S.S. tour .
J Francho reply :
On 9/20/2017 at 9:09 AM, Mike L said:I need to stop repling to these threads...
I've been useing flouro for years and have not had the problems most of you keep saying you have.
If the knot is tied correctly there is no "poor knot strength" just because you're useing flouro.
If your reel isn't adjusted correctly there is no "poor casting performance" just because you're useing flouro..
All I know is I'm convinced that the benefits of useing a quality flouro for presentations that will benefit from it, far out weigh any real or percieved negative.
Flouro is not a panacea, but niether is braid, co ploy, or dare I say mono.
Now all the Mono Forever guys will jump all over me again, and come up with all the science, testing, polls, and opinions that will prove....Ahh, never mind
Mike
Exactly. This is the user side, and T9 provided the science side.
NYWayfarer reply :
On 9/20/2017 at 10:14 PM, Todd2 said:And the endless debate goes on...much like Ginger or Mary Ann (yeah, showing my age). There likely will never be a winner...I'm a mono and Mary Ann guy...lol
Since I like the hybrid line does that leave me with Mrs Howell??
Oh well at least she is rich. I can get a Bass Boat and Daiwa Steez from my sugar mama.
Glenn reply :
Fishingmickey reply :
Howdy Y'all,
I figured I'd throw my two cents into the hat. I've been bass fishing for many years (40+). I fished Berkley 14# xl as my main stay line for years and years. I liked it better then Stren. I got into tournament kayak fishing a few years back and started trying out fluorocarbon and braid. I've found/figured out that fluoro can be a very good line if you get the better brands, FC Sniper, Seaguar Tatsu are the two I probably like the best. I've used the Sun line and Seaguar red they are good too but are somewhat stiffer. With fluorocarbon and baitcasters you have to be very careful when you pick out backlashes. I feel that Fluorocarbon really hates to be bent or kinked much more so then mono and you must cinch/tighten your knots much more carefully to avoid damaging the line.
I have begun experimenting using braid (20,30 & 40#) with crankbaits and a moderate action or hybrid glass/carbon rods. Braid has another whole set of issues of it's own. I try to avoid using it, but if it gets me good fish in the boat and fills a bill that Fluoro and Mono can't fill I'm trying it out.
Fishingmickey
WRB reply :
If you believe FC line will enhance you ability to catch bass use it.
Making statements like I can't remember the last bass or bait I broke off doesn't give any credibility.
JFranco catches have more to do with his fishing skills. What is important line is a critical component of everyone's fishing tackle. You must have confidence with using the line and the skill to control big fish.
I believe FC gives the angler improved feedback with bottom contact lures vs premium mono and that was the reason I kept using it for 25 years. I stopped because of random line failures not experienced with premium mono. I stopped using FC at night about 20 years, it's a nightmare trying to tie effective knots at night using FC, no issues with mono.
I break break off lures nearly every outing using both FC and mono over the past 25 years, it's inevitable fishing jigs and worms in deep rocky structure lakes. Try keeping a 8 lb+ bass out of a bush, weed bed or tree using line less lb test than the bass weighs without breaking a few off, it's going to happen. Be honest!
Tom
Team9nine reply :
On 9/21/2017 at 3:48 AM, WRB said:If you believe FC line will enhance you ability to catch bass use it.
Making statements like I can't remember the last bass or bait I broke off doesn't give any credibility.
JFranco catches have more to do with his fishing skills. What is important line is a critical component of everyone's fishing tackle. You must have confidence with using the line and the skill to control big fish.
I believe FC gives the angler improved feedback with bottom contact lures vs premium mono and that was the reason I kept using it for 25 years. I stopped because of random line failures not experienced with premium mono. I stopped using FC at night about 20 years, it's a nightmare trying to tie effective knots at night using FC, no issues with mono.
I break break off lures nearly every outing using both FC and mono over the past 25 years, it's inevitable fishing jigs and worms in deep rocky structure lakes. Try keeping a 8 lb+ bass out of a bush, weed bed or tree using line less lb test than the bass weighs without breaking a few off, it's going to happen. Be honest!
Tom
If it makes you feel better, I looked back in my records and found 2 breakoffs for you. One was on August 11, 2013 on a hookset. The other was the week of June 23, same year when a bass got on the back side of a metal culvert and eventually sawed off my fluoro - honestly. I don't count hang ups in the mix because those likely get broken off no matter what line you're using if the lure retriever fails to come through. I will also admit I have broken off a time or three this year on my fluoro leader after failing to retie after catching 20-30 bass on a bait, but I chalk that up to stupidity on my part and not a fault of the fluoro.
Beyond that, I would have remembered breaking off any big bass or expensive baits - we don't see a lot of the former around here, and i don't buy a lot of the latter. It wouldn't surprise me if there were a couple more breakoffs I don't remember, but when you catch 2,000+ bass a year, the random anomaly becomes easy to overlook.
Turtle135 reply :
The reason I asked about the breakoffs is that I fish a lot with a "river smallmouth" crowd. These guys do everything with the "braid and flouro leader" approach (both spinning and baitcasting). I understand why they do it because of the type of presentations they make (light lures and long, long casts in current). I also watch them pop fish off with an alarming regularity or after a tournament they tell me about a good fish that broke them off.
I am almost tempted to spool up with some 20 pound test flouro on one of my baitcasters just to see what happens. I don't think I have ever tried anything more than 15 pound test flouro before (and that did not go well).
Jeff H reply :
On 9/20/2017 at 10:36 AM, WRB said:I am good at tying knots and won several knot tying contest,
Tom
Hold up here a sec....where did you manage to get into knot tying contests?
A-Jay reply :
On 9/21/2017 at 6:25 AM, Jeff H said:Hold up here a sec....where did you manage to get into knot tying contests?
and I thought Michigan winters were long . . . . .
A-Jay
Team9nine reply :
On 9/21/2017 at 4:53 AM, Turtle135 said:The reason I asked about the breakoffs is that I fish a lot with a "river smallmouth" crowd. These guys do everything with the "braid and flouro leader" approach (both spinning and baitcasting). I understand why they do it because of the type of presentations they make (light lures and long, long casts in current). I also watch them pop fish off with an alarming regularity or after a tournament they tell me about a good fish that broke them off.
I am almost tempted to spool up with some 20 pound test flouro on one of my baitcasters just to see what happens. I don't think I have ever tried anything more than 15 pound test flouro before (and that did not go well).
As wrb alluded to, fishing in some environments almost guarantees the occasional breakoff, and rocky rivers would be one such case. That aside, I can make a couple suggestions.
One would be to use actual fluorocarbon leader material for it's harder composition and supposed better abrasion resistance.
The other option is to be specific in your line selection. I lean heavily on available data in this regard. Outside of the newer Tatsu line I've begun using, I previously only used 2 brands of fluoro - InvisX and Toray Superhard Upgrade. This was based on all the Tackle Tour test data that showed InvisX with the best knot strength and Toray SH with the superior abrasion resistance. And while I have no way of proving it, I'd like to believe that using these lines and metrics is likely responsible for my lack of breakoffs and other issues I mentioned that seem to plague so many.
WRB reply :
On 9/21/2017 at 6:25 AM, Jeff H said:Hold up here a sec....where did you manage to get into knot tying contests?
We have a event every year since 1958 that promotes hunting, fishing, camping, boating, hiking and other family outdoor recreational activities call the Fred Hall Show.
Several fishing related events are sponsored by various fishing tackle companies like casting contest and knot tying contest. Back in 1960 I won the fresh water fishing line contest by tying a knot called the Indian knot, today known as the Palomar knot.
All knots had to be 100% line strength to submit your entry. They take the top 10 entries and each contestant gets to tie a sample to be tested in front of the judges. Fred Hall show is ongoing every year in SoCal.
I have been teaching new anglers to tie knots when I worked on a boat landing at Big Bear lake, mostly lake 2 hook rigs using 3 lb test mono and started doing this as a teenager. You can consider yourself good at knot tying when you learn a Binimi twist.
Tom
Jeff H reply :
That's great Tom! I thought maybe there were some Scout exhibitions or something like that.
WRB reply :
On 9/21/2017 at 7:07 AM, Team9nine said:
As wrb alluded to, fishing in some environments almost guarantees the occasional breakoff, and rocky rivers would be one such case. That aside, I can make a couple suggestions.
One would be to use actual fluorocarbon leader material for it's harder composition and supposed better abrasion resistance.
The other option is to be specific in your line selection. I lean heavily on available data in this regard. Outside of the newer Tatsu line I've begun using, I previously only used 2 brands of fluoro - InvisX and Toray Superhard Upgrade. This was based on all the Tackle Tour test data that showed InvisX with the best knot strength and Toray SH with the superior abrasion resistance. And while I have no way of proving it, I'd like to believe that using these lines and metrics is likely responsible for my lack of breakoffs and other issues I mentioned that seem to plague so many.
You can go back 2 or 3 years and search Toray and you will see I was promoting this FC line! Used Toray FC SH for about 3 years before it was tested by TT, the problem I have with it was major 3X price increase and don't see any advantage over Sunline Shooter FC that dates back 25 years. Agree that Seagaur Abrix would be a good choice for reasonable price point if FC is your line choice. The most abrasion resistant line I have used is Maxima Ultra Green Copoly.
Tom
Johnbt reply :
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How about this oldie... 
Boomstick reply :
I read this a while ago. I would take everything with a grain of salt here as the author is clearly not a FC fan, but he does raise several good points and is willing to back them.
At the start of this article, he states it's twice as expensive but not twice as good, which is true. The real question is if the extra sink and feel is worth it to you or not.
basseditor reply :
Here’s is what I dislike about flouro. When I snag a lure that won’t come free, I have to get as close as I can to the snag and then wrap the line around a cleat, hit the trolling motor switch and pull to try to break the line.
It’s as strong as an anchor rope.
I don’t have knot issues with flouro but I tie knots carefully.
Compare the line diameter. Where you use 10# mono, you could probably use 15# flouro. I don’t use flouro any smaller than that. In fact, when I use flouro leaders, I use 20 or 30#. That’s the advantage of flouro. Use heavier test line!
Catt reply :
deep reply :
On 9/21/2017 at 11:57 AM, basseditor said:
Compare the line diameter. Where you use 10# mono, you could probably use 15# flouro. I don’t use flouro any smaller than that. In fact, when I use flouro leaders, I use 20 or 30#. That’s the advantage of flouro. Use heavier test line!
Umm, sorry, but I think your 10# mono probably breaks at 15#, and therefore it's not 10# line.
RichF reply :
Eh, use whatever gives you warm fuzzies inside. I like fluoro for certain things. I like mono for certain things. I like braid for certain things. If you know what you're doing, you're not going to break off that many fish, regardless of line choice.
Catt reply :
On 9/21/2017 at 10:10 PM, RichF said:Eh, use whatever gives you warm fuzzies inside. I like fluoro for certain things. I like mono for certain things. I like braid for certain things. If you know what you're doing, you're not going to break off that many fish, regardless of line choice.
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Turtle135 reply :
On 9/21/2017 at 8:21 PM, deep said:
Umm, sorry, but I think your 10# mono probably breaks at 15#, and therefore it's not 10# line.
This is what I like about Trilene XT Monofilament. While it says 14 pound test on the box I can lift 20 pounds of weight lifting plates with a single strand. 
basseditor reply :
On 9/21/2017 at 8:21 PM, deep said:
Umm, sorry, but I think your 10# mono probably breaks at 15#, and therefore it's not 10# line.
My point is that when you use flouro, you can use heavier line.
RB 77 reply :
While its true for most things in life that you get what you pay for, I find this to be true for Flouro more so than any other types of fishing lines. While expensive braids and Monos might out perform there less expensive counterparts, I find for me personally that there is less of a measurable performance distance than when it comes to Flouro. I tried several different manufacturers and models of Fluorocarbon and never really cared for any until I tried Sunline. I know love using Flouro for bottom contact baits. Same happened for me when I first tried Tungsten weights as well for bottom contact fishing.
Mike L reply :
Ditto, Ditto!
Mike
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