Warrantee Or No Warrantee 2024

flippin and pitchin reply : 

TackleTour featured a new series from Powell rods, the Diesel. I guess it runs about $70.00 and the pitch is they offer more rod for the money up front because they don't warrantee it. No potential loss to Powell apparently is passed on in initial savings to the consumer. Are you willing to buy into that concept ? Any thoughts or opinions ?

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J Francho reply : 

No warranty, no buy. Can't get behind a company that won't stand behind their products.

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A-Jay reply : 

It's not a new concept.

Nothing against Powell tackle, but if the gear is not backed by the manufacturer, I will not invest in it.

A-Jay

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Ima Bass Ninja reply : 

From the POwell facebook page:

Keith Bryan, president of Powell rods explained why; “many rods on the market today will easily cost the consumer $80 or more to be replaced under warranty when the warranty fee, shipping costs, and packaging materials are factored in,” said Bryan. “If breakage should occur, replacing a Diesel Rod will be faster and cost about the same, or even less money than going through a lengthy warranty process.

“Not offering a warranty also allowed us to really turn up the performance of this rod series to far exceed competitors' offerings in the same price category. If folks desire a warranty, the popular Max and Endurance rod lines are still covered.”

So if its gonna cost the price of the rod to get it warritied and replaced i could see why they wouldn't offer a warrenty.

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jeb2 reply : 

Interesting idea. To carry it a little further, what if you could get an NRX rod with no warranty for, say, 1/2 the price of the current rod?

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grimlin reply : 

I'm not sure I really like this idea. I really like Powell rods. I wanna know how much "more rod" is being offered.I think I'll stick the the Max series for now.

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JIGFISHERMAN. reply : 

Great idea.

People have been paying a premium for the Loomis warranty for years.....And it happens with lots of rods.

I'm having to cheepen up my purchases so I would be willing to look at these rods.

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d3bf48 reply : 

It really depends on how good the new diesel is. Here are numbers to show how it works out if the rod was on caliber with a St. Croix Avid for example:

Powell 1- $70 (breaks), Powell 2- $70 (breaks), Powell 3- $70 = $210 after replacing the rod twice.

Avid 1- $180 (breaks), Avid 2 replacement warranty- $75 (breaks), Avid 3 replacement warranty- $75= $330 after replacing the rod twice w/ St. Croixs "gold star" plan.

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A-Rob reply : 

I'm not offended by that idea. Sounds like Powell is giving you the option on one of their "cheaper" rods.

I would be annoyed if my $70 rod cost me $80 to replace under warranty haha.

If the rod is the same quality of a $100 rod and they are offering it for $70 b/c they took the warranty off (which would cost you $80) then I'm not too picky.

But of course a $100 rod for $70 with a lifetime warranty and free shipping would be even better!

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Goose52 reply : 

Not sure what the economics would be for the rod manufacturer, but a middle-ground between no warranty and a lifetime warranty is a ONE year warranty. If there truly is a manufacturing defect, it would typically show up within the first year of use. Most rod problems in the long-term are usually caused by the angler - handling dings, doors, ceiling fans, lifting fish, etc., not the fault of the rod company.

Of course, offering any warranty then opens the door for disputes between the company and the angler about whether rod breakage was the result of a defective blank...or misuse/mishandling by the angler ... which takes a lot of time/effort by the company to sort out.

Still, one year seems like a long enough period for the rod to be proven as free of true manufacturing defects...

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Delaware Valley Tackle reply : 

If a rod rod truly has defective materials or workmanship or has been damaged in transport it will fail the first few times it is flexed. I doubt very much that if that happened Powell or any other manufacturer would not make good or they'll be gone. What is often referred to as a warranty is really a replacement program type of insurance. Like all insurances everyone pays for the few who use and abuse the system. I'd much rather pay a fair price for a good product than overpay and maybe collect a benefit later. I don't see lack of a warranty replacement program necessarily as not standing behind your product.

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.ghoti. reply : 

Thanks DVT, you beat me to the punch. I would like to see more companies do this. Or, make it optional. I'd be perfectly willing to buy a good rod, say a St Croix, without a lifetime replacement guarantee, if I could buy it for a lot less. Why should I have to pay for somebody else insurance?

I have never bought a rod with a manufacturing defect that caused it to break, and I've been fishing a long time. I have however, broken a lot of rods. Every one of them was my fault. I've stepped on them, slammed them in doors and tailgates, dropped one across a sharp edge, broke two when the braid was wrapped around the tip when I set the hook, etc. I did NOT send any of them in for a free replacement. All were my fault.

Why should a rod manufacturer have to pay for my stupidity? Even worse, why should I have to pay for yours?

Defects in workmanship are fairly easy to spot for the most part. You can spot them before purchasing. Some defects are not so easy to see. A poorly glued seat, or badly mixed epoxy are some problems that may take a while to show up. But they will show up quickly. A defective blank will break during the first few casts, and if not then, it will break on the first solid hookset.

I have seen a lot of rods with defects. Crooked guides, messy or cracked epoxy, dorked up reel seats, bad cork, mis-aligned components, warped blanks, you name it. I've never bought one. If you bought one like that, it's your fault for not inspecting it in the first place.

If a rod breaks after being used for a couple of years, then it is your fault. You did something wrong.

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dodgeguy reply : 

  On 1/19/2012 at 6:15 AM, .ghoti. said:

Thanks DVT, you beat me to the punch. I would like to see more companies do this. Or, make it optional. I'd be perfectly willing to buy a good rod, say a St Croix, without a lifetime replacement guarantee, if I could buy it for a lot less. Why should I have to pay for somebody else insurance?

I have never bought a rod with a manufacturing defect that caused it to break, and I've been fishing a long time. I have however, broken a lot of rods. Every one of them was my fault. I've stepped on them, slammed them in doors and tailgates, dropped one across a sharp edge, broke two when the braid was wrapped around the tip when I set the hook, etc. I did NOT send any of them in for a free replacement. All were my fault.

Why should a rod manufacturer have to pay for my stupidity? Even worse, why should I have to pay for yours?

Defects in workmanship are fairly easy to spot for the most part. You can spot them before purchasing. Some defects are not so easy to see. A poorly glued seat, or badly mixed epoxy are some problems that may take a while to show up. But they will show up quickly. A defective blank will break during the first few casts, and if not then, it will break on the first solid hookset.

I have seen a lot of rods with defects. Crooked guides, messy or cracked epoxy, dorked up reel seats, bad cork, mis-aligned components, warped blanks, you name it. I've never bought one. If you bought one like that, it's your fault for not inspecting it in the first place.

If a rod breaks after being used for a couple of years, then it is your fault. You did something wrong.

the concept of personal responsibility has left this country.

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Packard reply : 

For a rod at that low of a price, I don't see the need for a warranty. I also think it would be a good idea to have an optional warranty on rods.

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baluga reply : 

I go with the company that gives warranty on their product. Shimano rods has it. Dawa also has it and they both offer pretty darn good rod selections. Even Dobyns and Phenix have them. Although, best warranty are from Shimano and Daiwa, they replace broken rods due to accidental or user fault without any charge. Can't beat that.

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scrutch reply : 

  On 1/19/2012 at 9:13 AM, dodgeguy said:

the concept of personal responsibility has left this country.

Man that's some temptation for a thread highjacking. I'll just keep it short and say, Great Post.

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BobP reply : 

I've never exercised a rod warranty and would go for the warrant-less deal. There is no free lunch. Those of us who don't abuse gear have to pay for the guys who regularly trash theirs when we buy rods with lifetime warranties. Making the warranty optional like Powel is doing gives you a choice, so what's not to like?

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SirSnookalot reply : 

I think I have broken 1 or 2 rods in my life and it was user error. Not that a warranty isn't nice but for a rod priced under a $100, for me it isn't worth the hassle of sending it back to the manufacturer, over the counter exchange is ideal. I have no qualms about purchasing a rod with no warranty, in the case of Dicks, BPS and my local tackle shop, they would exchange or refund a defective rod.

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Delaware Valley Tackle reply : 

  On 1/19/2012 at 10:15 AM, baluga said:

I go with the company that gives warranty on their product. Shimano rods has it. Dawa also has it and they both offer pretty darn good rod selections. Even Dobyns and Phenix have them. Although, best warranty are from Shimano and Daiwa, they replace broken rods due to accidental or user fault without any charge. Can't beat that.

Oh but there is a charge, hidden in the price of every rod they sell that's the point of the Powell promotion.

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TourPT reply : 

  On 1/19/2012 at 6:15 AM, .ghoti. said:

Thanks DVT, you beat me to the punch. I would like to see more companies do this. Or, make it optional. I'd be perfectly willing to buy a good rod, say a St Croix, without a lifetime replacement guarantee, if I could buy it for a lot less. Why should I have to pay for somebody else insurance?

I have never bought a rod with a manufacturing defect that caused it to break, and I've been fishing a long time. I have however, broken a lot of rods. Every one of them was my fault. I've stepped on them, slammed them in doors and tailgates, dropped one across a sharp edge, broke two when the braid was wrapped around the tip when I set the hook, etc. I did NOT send any of them in for a free replacement. All were my fault.

Why should a rod manufacturer have to pay for my stupidity? Even worse, why should I have to pay for yours?

Defects in workmanship are fairly easy to spot for the most part. You can spot them before purchasing. Some defects are not so easy to see. A poorly glued seat, or badly mixed epoxy are some problems that may take a while to show up. But they will show up quickly. A defective blank will break during the first few casts, and if not then, it will break on the first solid hookset.

I have seen a lot of rods with defects. Crooked guides, messy or cracked epoxy, dorked up reel seats, bad cork, mis-aligned components, warped blanks, you name it. I've never bought one. If you bought one like that, it's your fault for not inspecting it in the first place.

If a rod breaks after being used for a couple of years, then it is your fault. You did something wrong.

I agree except for one thing. I think at least a 30 day would be better then no warranty, for if you live in the sticks like I do you must order online of which means you can't check it out for defects until it arrives UPS. Not to mention BPS nor Gander nor Dicks carries the brands I use, with the exception of some Loomis rods at BPS, so it’s impossible to check them out before buying.

I agree why should they cover a rod someone broke on there own and it would be nice if they lowered the price by getting rid of life time warranties, but at the same time why should I risk ordering a defective rod if they won’t at least stand behind there product for 30 days. Like you said if there’s a defect it won’t take long to find out about it. After 30 days user error is most likely the cause of broken rods.

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.ghoti. reply : 

Tour PT, I agree with you. There should be a guarantee against defects in materials and workmanship. I have no problem with that. Every manufacturer has a quality control department. It's their job to make sure none of the defective products make it out the door. But, nobody is perfect. If a poor quality rod makes it onto the sales floor, the company should stand behind it.

What I do not like is the lifetime replacement policy. That is simply an insurance program that all of us pay for. And some of us are ethical enough that we refuse to abuse the system.

I too live out in the sticks. West B.F.E. to be precise. I can't always get what I want without ordering online. I have received a couple of rods that were not acceptable. I simply returned them and asked for a better one. In both cases I received a well made product in return. In one case I was forced to pay the return shipping. I argued with the online retailer about it and lost. They also lost. I have not spent a dime with them since, nor will I in the future.

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J Francho reply : 

I'm on board with a 30 day warranty. I've only had two rods snap right off the shelf, one on a fish, the other on a cast. The first was a replacement for the second - can you say bad run? It's rare, but it happens. Bad rods make it to market. I want to be protected from that.

That all said, I don't mind the little extra I pay for a replacement service. I have a twelve year old Avid that I will be replacing this year, since the reel seat cracked and the reel has to be taped on to use it. I don't mind the $60 to get a new one - that rod doesn't owe me a penny - or whatever "extra" I paid for it.

What I AM curious about, is where this new line sits in relation to other rods. If you told me it was a Powell Max, without any replacement program attached, then I could make a judgement call about it's value to me. And that's really what it's about - what it's value is to the individual buyer.

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BassWhole! reply : 

Implied warranty of merchantability. If its defective, its covered, even if its not in writing. In the "take it back to Academy even if you bought it second hand, you don't need a receipt" environment, its silly for a company to offer lifetime warranties, kind of like unfunded pension plans, will just sit on the balance sheet unseen waiting to bite you. Companies of all types will provide the products that consumers buy, not what they say they will buy.

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Hooligan reply : 

In short, it's not a bad idea on lower value rods. But on rods like and NRX, as someone alluded to, no chance. I have broken, personally, four rods in my entire career, of those, three have been defects. One was a spanking new custom that literally blew up on the cast the very first time I cast it; sounded like a shotgun went off. The others have been reel seat issues within the first three to five days of fishing the rods. If I ran into something like that and it wasn't covered on a rod like the NRX or GLX, I'd be torked for sure.

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grimlin reply : 

  On 1/19/2012 at 10:46 PM, J Francho said:

What I AM curious about, is where this new line sits in relation to other rods. If you told me it was a Powell Max, without any replacement program attached, then I could make a judgement call about it's value to me. And that's really what it's about - what it's value is to the individual buyer.

Exactly where i stand also. I'm curious also.

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J Francho reply : 

Here's another thing I thought of. They risking their reputation on this. There will be a lot of people that will buy this rod, simply because it's below $100. These are people that would NEVER spend more than that, maybe people that only spend $40 on rods. They break one, and their impression of higher end gear is bad. I think this could present a PR issue.

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JIGFISHERMAN. reply : 

  On 1/20/2012 at 1:57 AM, J Francho said:

Here's another thing I thought of. They risking their reputation on this. There will be a lot of people that will buy this rod, simply because it's below $100. These are people that would NEVER spend more than that, maybe people that only spend $40 on rods. They break one, and their impression of higher end gear is bad. I think this could present a PR issue.

I think the guys who would buy this rod, would be more informed on their purchase....Simply because they would have to seek it out. It wouldn't be available from your local super sports market outlet shop.

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Ima Bass Ninja reply : 

Its just a buy at your own risk type of thing. I think most people know the quality of rod that a manufacturer offers and if they are a reputabile company then i see consumers willing to take a risk for a lower price. I would not hold it against the company if something failed on the rod, i knew that was part of the gamble i was taking before i bought it. If i didn't want to take that gamble then i would buy one of the higher priced rods with a warranty.

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J Francho reply : 

  On 1/20/2012 at 2:26 AM, JIGFISHERMAN. said:

I think the guys who would buy this rod, would be more informed on their purchase....Simply because they would have to seek it out. It wouldn't be available from your local super sports market outlet shop.

Sorry man, that makes ZERO sense, or their marketing team has gone bonkers!

From the article:

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The new Diesel rods are designed to fuel the mainstream

It doesn't take a genius to figure out how a rod designed for the masses that is hard to find would be a failure.

These rods are obviously meant to entice buyers from a lower budget to spend on a Powell.

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Delaware Valley Tackle reply : 

They may be testing the waters for a broader change in replacement policy, or looking for a way to entice border line budget people to step up a notch. Marketing is a huge piece of the cost of a production rod and replacement programs fall within that.

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K_Mac reply : 

After a very limited time (30 days?) to assure no defects, I have no problem with the manufacturer not replacing the rod. The cost of replacing rods after years of use has to be built in to the purchase price, and as costs rise the legacy costs make all rods made by that manufacturer more expensive. Why not give me the choice? Extended warranties at additional cost are available on nearly everything. I don't know why fishing equipment should be any different. There will always be some willing to pay a premium for long term protection, and others who just want to pay what the rod is worth.

I don't really see much difference at any price point. At $100 or $500 the value of a rod is based on price and performance in my view; looks may also play a small part. If I break a rod due to my negligence, I do not expect the manufacturer to replace it even if it is a higher priced rod. That is just part of the cost of ownership IMO. I have been fishing for many years and have had one rod replaced that broke right out of the tube while trying it out in the back yard. All others have been my fault. I am fine with companies offering lifetime warranties with their equipment for those who want them, but if I can buy that same equipment without that cost I'm good with that.

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MrSwimJig reply : 

No warranty, not for me. I like knowing the manufacture stands behind their product.

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bassh8er reply : 

Maybe it's just because I've never been burned by a warranty or have ever broken a rod, but this sounds like a good idea to me. If I can get a rod for less than its quality price point suggests, then good for me. I've never owned a rod over $200, but it seems like I get new rods every couple of years anyway.

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QUAKEnSHAKE reply : 

  On 1/20/2012 at 2:32 AM, J Francho said:

Sorry man, that makes ZERO sense, or their marketing team has gone bonkers!

From the article:

It doesn't take a genius to figure out how a rod designed for the masses that is hard to find would be a failure.

These rods are obviously meant to entice buyers from a lower budget to spend on a Powell.

I think they are going bonkers then. Im pretty sure if I ask my fishing pals (5) at work about Powell they wouldnt have a clue who they are. One might and thats an iffy might at best. I really dont know much about them never seen a product of theirs. I looked at the dealer locator and only 2 dealers listed for Illinois none for Wisconsin so that would be rather hard to find to check out locally. I checked BPS Cabelas nothing there. So I agree with the have to search it out be more informed to want one

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J Francho reply : 

I didn't make up the "reel for masses," LOL. They did. Powell's aren't all over the place here, but I see quite a few of them. I believe Susquehanna Tackle sells Powell, and a ton of NY guys get their tackle there. Keep in mind too, they are west coast operation, more known for fly gear.

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senile1 reply : 

For those who are unfamiliar with Powell rods, there are a number of people on this forum who use Powell Max and Powell Endurance rods. I have five Powells and they compare favorably to St Croix Avid rods, in my opinion. The few minor complaints about Powell rods involve a tip-heavy feeling with the Powell rods that are longer than 7 feet, though many people do not notice or mind this. Also, the Powell Max series was designed by Gary Dobyns before he left to start Dobyns rods. I dare say that Powell makes a quality rod.

As J Francho stated, the question is what quality level do I get for 70 dollars? If the quality is the equivalent of a Powell Max, or only slightly less, I think this would be a great deal. And like ghoti, Kmac, and some others have stated, I am not one to abuse a warranty. I have yet to use the warranties on my St Croix, G.Loomis, Dobyns, or Powell rods. I have broken the tip on one of them which was my fault. So I could go for this as long as the quality of the rod is acceptable to me.

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hike4steel reply : 

  On 1/20/2012 at 3:32 AM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

They may be testing the waters for a broader change in replacement policy, or looking for a way to entice border line budget people to step up a notch. Marketing is a huge piece of the cost of a production rod and replacement programs fall within that.

IMO, marketing and market share are what these lifetime warrenties are all about. Once they have their rod in your hands they want to keep it that way. I am sure none of the manufactuers that offer repacement programs do so at a loss of profit. Base materials for a fishing rod are not expensive. You pay for their knowledge and expertise in manufactoring and assembly. Also, sorry to say anyone who broke a rod with a lifetime warrenty, their fault or not, and not taken advantage of the companies replacement service, has a questionable value of a dollar. IMO. Or they have more money then god.

Shimano is replacing rods at no cost as they did for me over the winter, but I suspect this to change in the not to distant future.

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JIGFISHERMAN. reply : 

  On 1/20/2012 at 2:32 AM, J Francho said:

Sorry man, that makes ZERO sense, or their marketing team has gone bonkers!

From the article:

It doesn't take a genius to figure out how a rod designed for the masses that is hard to find would be a failure.

These rods are obviously meant to entice buyers from a lower budget to spend on a Powell.

Go to your local wallmart.

Ask 10 guys in the sporting goods department if they have ever heard of Powell rods.

Now, if you have more than 2 or three say yes, I will give you everything I own.

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J Francho reply : 

I don't think walmart shoppers are who they mean by "the masses." It's a $70 rod, not a $40 Ugly Stick or $20 Cherrywood. Big difference. Think Academy, Gander, DSG.

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Siebert Outdoors reply : 

I agree with DVT.

This reminds me of a conversation between my old boss and Loomis. He was on them for a long time to offer a line of rods with no more then a 1 yr warranty and drop the price.

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flippin and pitchin reply : 

I'm pretty sure Powell views this as a marketing experiment because they offer only four models in the Diesel line, accoring to TT, so dead stock may be minimal. The key question is, how will retail Powell dealers respond ? This tactic will be good for business or really bad. I'm sure other rod manufactures will watch this product and concept closely.

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Georgia Jeff reply : 

I love the idea.

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webertime reply : 

The guys that will buy a Powell in that price range, are the guys that also would look at buying a used higher end rod, which also has NO WARRANTY... Buying a Diesel would ensure that you knew the history of what you are purchasing (IE it wasn't smacked around, etc).

I do agree with those that mention a 30 day Manufacturing Defect period/warranty. For me it would go a LOOOOOOOOOOONG way towards making easing the "what if?" anxiety.

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baluga reply : 

  On 1/22/2012 at 2:08 AM, webertime said:

The guys that will buy a Powell in that price range, are the guys that also would look at buying a used higher end rod, which also has NO WARRANTY... Buying a Diesel would ensure that you knew the history of what you are purchasing (IE it wasn't smacked around, etc).

I do agree with those that mention a 30 day Manufacturing Defect period/warranty. For me it would go a LOOOOOOOOOOONG way towards making easing the "what if?" anxiety.

Used High end and average price rods for shimano still have warrantee. It's a lifetime and/or limited warranty for the rod so the company honors the warranty, does not really matter if you are the first owner or not. They don't ask for the original receipt so no issue. They would even replace your discontinued old broken rod with the new version. The only cost you incur is the shipping.

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BassWhole! reply : 

  On 1/22/2012 at 4:41 AM, baluga said:

Used High end and average price rods for shimano still have warrantee. It's a lifetime and/or limited warranty for the rod so the company honors the warranty, does not really matter if you are the first owner or not. They don't ask for the original receipt so no issue. They would even replace your discontinued old broken rod with the new version. The only cost you incur is the shipping.

Really, so I guess by "original retail purchaser" they mean anyone with a pulse, also check the registration card, they spell out other no nos, Yes I know your cousin knows a guy who purchased a rod owned by 12 different folks that was stepped on by a stampeding herd of yak and they replaced it no questions asked.........If you make yourself enough of a nuisance, often they will give you a rod to just go away.

http://fish.shimano.com/publish/content/global_fish/en/us/index/customer_service0/Warrenty_Services.html

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webertime reply : 

  On 1/22/2012 at 4:41 AM, baluga said:

Used High end and average price rods for shimano still have warrantee. It's a lifetime and/or limited warranty for the rod so the company honors the warranty, does not really matter if you are the first owner or not. They don't ask for the original receipt so no issue. They would even replace your discontinued old broken rod with the new version. The only cost you incur is the shipping.

Shimano is for original owner, if a shop or Shimano takes it back without that proof then cool, but the warranty explicitly states original owner, so a 2nd owner should not feel that they have warranty.

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Diggy reply : 

You could probably get an in store from a place like gander and pay 11 bucks for example

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roadwarrior reply : 

Geez...

Most "franchise" equipment is exchanged over-the-counter, no questions asked.

Manufactures like Shimano, St. Croix and G.Loomis have both a "defects" and

"accident" policy. I like that.

No warranty? No business from me.

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SirSnookalot reply : 

  On 1/22/2012 at 2:08 AM, webertime said:

The guys that will buy a Powell in that price range, are the guys that also would look at buying a used higher end rod, which also has NO WARRANTY... Buying a Diesel would ensure that you knew the history of what you are purchasing (IE it wasn't smacked around, etc).

How does anyone know what's in my mind or any one else's for that matter? I have no idea what motivates buyers of any price range, except me.

When it comes to rods I choose to be in that 75-$150 zone, if I want a higher priced rod I'd buy it, but I don't care to buy used equipment. Buying a rod for 70 bux without a warranty regardless of a companies history is a chance I'm willing to take. In the past I've both pleasantly surprised as well as being disappointed.

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baluga reply : 

  On 1/22/2012 at 5:25 AM, reason said:

Really, so I guess by "original retail purchaser" they mean anyone with a pulse, also check the registration card, they spell out other no nos, Yes I know your cousin knows a guy who purchased a rod owned by 12 different folks that was stepped on by a stampeding herd of yak and they replaced it no questions asked.........If you make yourself enough of a nuisance, often they will give you a rod to just go away.

http://fish.shimano....y_Services.html

I don't see any reason why you would be upset about the way their warrantee works. If you don't like it just say you disagree. No need for personal attack and sarcastic remarks.

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SirSnookalot reply : 

I've never sent a rod in but I have sent reels back to the manufacturer without mailing in the registration card, never been an issue. If it be a warranty repair I've included my sales slip. I'm looking right now at a BPS receipt for a reel I purchased, my name is not on it, I don't think " original purchaser" means anything except to maybe discourage some one sending a rod back. Reputable companies generally bends over backwards to satisfy a customer, competition is fierce and they do want to sell you something else in the future.

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baluga reply : 

Rods are normally under $300 on the average. I don't see a reason why to fill up the registration form and go thru the hassle of sending my address in their database so they can send me junk mails. Those things are just marketing strategy to get your personnal information.

Anyway that's beyond the original topic.

No warranty No buy for me.

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