What Did You Learn From The Classic 2024
Catch 22 reply :
I was surprised to see the diverse depths where fish were caught.. I didn`t get a good look at Ashley`s home made lure but I think it had to be similar to the age old Mepps spinner with the plastic minnow. Look for his lure on the market soon..
I was thinking that anglers should use rods with larger eyes to overcome the ice problems. At least one I saw was doing that.
Great T ,I really enjoyed it.
C22
scaleface reply :
I would have liked to have been on the boat with Takahiro . His method of catching fish got my attention .
Oregon Native reply :
Was a great classic with good coverage. As far as depths...been fishing that deep since Dec....works
A-Jay reply :
Not so much a lesson learned this year, but more of an appreciation for what was accomplished in the past.
More than any other Bassmaster Classic champion, Bryan Kerchal's win created a legacy in the sport.
As the only true amateur ever to win the sport's biggest prize, fellow B.A.S.S. Federation Nation anglers rallied around the young angler like never before, and his modesty captured the hearts and minds of hundreds of thousands of bass anglers around the world.
Tragically, Bryan was killed in plane crash just five months after his victory.
A-Jay
MassBass reply :
Looking forward to my magazine with write ups on all the top patterns. What was takahiro doing?
roadwarrior reply :
What Did You Learn From The Classic
It really helps to have accurate waypoints to locate brush piles you have hidden.
The fact that this is specifically allowed by rule has been noted. It still just doesn't
seem like this is right, especially on your "home lake". On the otherhand, anglers
take note! Instead of complaining about the weather, start collecting things to build
yourself a few piles on your favorite lake.
SPEEDBEAD. reply :
On 2/24/2015 at 12:12 AM, roadwarrior said:What Did You Learn From The Classic
It really helps to have accurate waypoints to locate brush piles you have hidden.
Is that a suggestion of an impropriety?
Glenn reply :
Yet another frigid February Classic that underscores the need to move it back to summer!
roadwarrior reply :
No. As I specifically noted, the rules address the issue and the practice is allowed.
However, rules change over time and maybe this one should be discussed and
reconsidered.
Djf3864 reply :
I learned that they are on the right track with the coverage but they need to get it on tv rather than just online.
jjconnaire reply :
Yea I dont get how sinking over 80 brush piles and having their waypoints is legal. I understand it being his home lake and he is going to have some places just by the nature of it but it seems kind of sketchy to me. What is kinda scary is that the other pros that were trailing him were on his tail without them have 80 brush piles waypointed.
J Francho reply :
We already have a thread on the brush piles… stay on topic please.
basscatcher8 reply :
The lure he was using is already on the market. Was just a Horse head underspin jig from the Do-It road runner mold. His dad just upgraded the hook and swivel when he poured em.
Lasher reply :
I learned that good sacks of fish can be caught during very cold temperatures. And fishing slow is very important this time a year. Did you see how slow Casey was cranking that fish head spin?
scaleface reply :
On 2/24/2015 at 12:01 AM, MassBass said:Looking forward to my magazine with write ups on all the top patterns. What was takahiro doing?
When I saw him , he was vertically jigging a dropshot about fifty foot deep and watching the bass and his lure on a depth finder. I just thought that was cool and wish the camera would have stayed on the depth finder longer .
HardcoreBassin reply :
I was really surprised at the difference in depth that all of the anglers were catching in. It seemed like everyone was all over the board. Some guys fishing really shallow with jerkbaits and cranks, others fishing really deep with jigs and spoons.
I was VERY surprised that I didn't see any drop shots until later in day 2.
Felix77 reply :
I watched every minute of the live broadcast. I honestly learned a lot BUT it's all over the place ...
Casey - Home field advantage and a lot of prep work goes a long way. He fished within the rules and his preparation was rewarded with a Classic title.
Tak - Fished way outside his comfort zone and kept with it regardless how much he "hates drop shotting". His commitment to something which was outside of his comfort zone is impressive.
Ike - Had a solid plan ... worked it to death. Just didn't get the big ones to take him to the title.
Howell - Stuck to what he was confident in and again died doing it. Maybe he should have changed up but his dedication to his confidence lure also almost got him a 2nd title.
So long story short .... There are numerous ways to catch them on any given day ... it's the ability to adapt and make decisions at the right time which separates one from another.
nascar2428 reply :
Here's what I learned from the classic tournament and broadcast.
The best fishing happens before and after the broadcast.
The majority of brush piles are man made.
Boats and trailers freeze together in sub freezing weather.
I watched enough dogs jumping in water to last a lifetime.
Dreams still come true!!
SPEEDBEAD. reply :
On 2/24/2015 at 12:19 AM, roadwarrior said:No. As I specifically noted, the rules address the issue and the practice is allowed.
However, rules change over time and maybe this one should be discussed and
reconsidered.
Oh Kent, come on now. I quoted your original statement. Don't SPECIFICALLY note me please.
Amending things after the fact? Man...
*Hootie reply :
On 2/24/2015 at 12:12 AM, roadwarrior said:What Did You Learn From The Classic
It really helps to have accurate waypoints to locate brush piles you have hidden.
The fact that this is specifically allowed by rule has been noted. It still just doesn't
seem like this is right, especially on your "home lake". On the otherhand, anglers
take note! Instead of complaining about the weather, start collecting things to build
yourself a few piles on your favorite lake.
If I got caught doing that on my lake, I would be arrested.
Hootie
BaitMonkey1984 reply :
Not to blindly rely upon BassTrak. Not only was Bobby Lane's location weigh off all tournament, his weight was up from what he estimated. I understand it is an estimate, however when he finally weighed in I was shocked by the discrepancy. Made the ending all that more exciting though.
BaitMonkey1984 reply :
Forgot this- apparently the barren areas of Hartwell hold key fish during the beginning of the pre-spawn. Not sure if anyone else saw the few shots of Casey Ashley's graphs but there was no structure on he majority of the areas he was fishing. Goes against the norm- but likely that was where the herring was holding.
WdyCrankbait reply :
I learned I need to slow down jig fishing and longer day light seems to have more to do with it then warmer water. Dean Rojas and Skeet catching those fish the first day in that shallow, MMmm...Never would have guessed it. Maybe that is why I am not a pro.
I also learned maybe I need to make a trip to Lake Hartwell. The pros were so effective catching them in so many ways.
5 Dollar Fishing Game reply :
1.) Televise it
2.) Make it NOT in winter.
WRB reply :
Weather is a factor to contend with in bass tournaments and makes it interesting.
I was very surprised with Bobby Lanes ability to find bass under docks and Hackney didn't!
Guarantee you that shallow bass under docks in cold water would have been safe from me finding them.
Underspins are a popular cold water bass lure along with tail spins and spoons. It will be interesting to learn what lures caught the bigger bass during this tournament.
Tom
Tmmytomato reply :
No way would I move it back to summer. This was an unreal winter and was scheduled long before they had any idea of what the weather would be. No matter where they fish it will always be someone's home lake so let's get over that complaint too.
The most apparent bit of info taken form this Classic was the diversity of techniques and depths the various contestants fished.
basscatcher8 reply :
On 2/24/2015 at 3:37 AM, 5 Dollar Fishing Game said:1.) Televise it
2.) Make it NOT in winter.
I like it being online rather than televised live and in the future more will be streamed online like that than on traditional tv. You don't have such rigid schedules to worry about and you dont have to worry about being pre empted by other sports. I do agree I'd like it to be some other time of the year when more water is open to hold the even.t
roadwarrior reply :
On 2/24/2015 at 2:28 AM, SPEEDBEAD. said:Oh Kent, come on now. I quoted your original statement. Don't SPECIFICALLY note me please.
Amending things after the fact? Man...
Okay, my apologies, there is no reason to get in your face. I am in total agreement that Casey was within the rules.
WRB reply :
Planting habitate is a very common practice, nothing new.
What is new are side scanning sonar units that find stuff without looking straight down and you better have that style of electronics if you are a serious tournament angler today. The smart trolling motors that keep the boat on way points are another very import tool for off shore anglers fishing these isolated brush or structure elements. Power poles also help anchor the boat quickly and quietly. The evolution of bass fishing keeps on improving and every angler in this tournament have the state of the art in equipment. About 25% of the anglers still blanked or caught very few bass and that was amazing.
Good tournament.
Tom
Sam reply :
What I Learned From the Classic:
All about Rage Tails from Steve Parks; Mark Menendez is coming back to the Elite series next year; Tony Chachere is going back to the Opens next year; Luke Clausen is a great guy and will talk to you; don't try to drive into the parking lot - have wife drop you off at gas station about half mile away and walk to the Convention Center; Glenn may is a great guy; the Mystery Tackle Box guys are crazy and a lot of fun; Bobby from MegaStrike continues to be swamped at these shows; the St. Croix guys were outstanding and helped me pick my next rod; talked to the lithium battery guy and those batteries are amazing; got to meet Pete Gluszek, one of my favorites; there is one original bass boat from the first Classic still around in pristine condition; Mercury engine guys were very helpful about what additives to add to your gasoline; the Berkley scientists explained so much about Berkley products and their research; Berkley mechanical engineer in charge of developing their rods shared a lot of information with me about what he does and rod construction; and so much more that I can't think of anything more to add.
So What I Learned From the Classic? A lot. And I mean A LOT!!!
Will Wetline reply :
On 2/24/2015 at 12:48 AM, basscatcher8 said:The lure he was using is already on the market. Was just a Horse head underspin jig from the Do-It road runner mold. His dad just upgraded the hook and swivel when he poured em.
I watched the last day video of Casey cleaning up with that bait and thought it was Do-It's larger "horse" head mold thinking that fluke type bait was too big for the Pony, but you may be right that the mold was modified. Here are a couple of pics of the Sea Horse:
These molds are nothing new but Casey and Powroznik (Watch his final day video too) certainly made good use of them!
Catch 22 reply :
Funny thing, I just picked up 6 of them on sale about a month ago.I wasn`t sure why at the time,but now I know. 
All the pros guessed the winning weights pre tourney.My 49#4 matched Takahiro`s number.Most were in the 48 to 53 range.
I picked up two Rap Shadows today $9 ea at Gander. Test run showed they do sink and have a sligtly wider sweep than LC`s. I don`t care for 3 treb lures but I can fix that.
C22
RSM789 reply :
I learned that when push comes to shove, deep down I am rooting against the person with homefield advantage and insider knowledge. Ashley seems like a great & humble guy, but I found myself disappointed that he won.
A win by Bobby Lane or Dean Rojas would have been more satisfying for me.
Oregon Native reply :
On 2/23/2015 at 10:03 PM, A-Jay said:Not so much a lesson learned this year, but more of an appreciation for what was accomplished in the past.
More than any other Bassmaster Classic champion, Bryan Kerchal's win created a legacy in the sport.
As the only true amateur ever to win the sport's biggest prize, fellow B.A.S.S. Federation Nation anglers rallied around the young angler like never before, and his modesty captured the hearts and minds of hundreds of thousands of bass anglers around the world.
Tragically, Bryan was killed in plane crash just five months after his victory.
A-Jay
I was in a boat right beside Bryan when he was fishing the Nationals to qualify for that Classic. I had qualified from the west....he from the east. Definitely he was a class act....was sad.
WRB reply :
Aaron Martens used a horse head underspin at the 2005 Three Rivers Classic and lost the winning spotted bass when he tried to bounce the big spot into the boat. Sworming Hornet has been around for a decade, nothing newwith bass size underspins.
Tom
Choporoz reply :
Got an email ad that said the big fish of the tourny was caught on a roboworm. I saw elsewhere that Bobby Lane had the largest. Was it caught on a drop shot?
Also, were the bags all LMB? Spots? Mixed?
FrogFreak reply :
I also wanted to pull for someone other than Casey but he seems like such a humble guy that I ended up happy for him. I like the cold weather format, it makes the guys work for it. It reminds me of the way the US Open makes golfers work for it.
ww2farmer reply :
I learned the disconnect between me and the "pro fishing" world gets larger with each passing year.
blongfishing reply :
I was very happy to see Casey Ashley win!! I am friends with him personally and he is a great guy. Something that disappointed me was that the bait he was using was a bait I planned to use all winter long but I threw in the beginning of winter had no luck so it sat in the bottom of the boat. On top of that I fished the same area with that bait and I guess it was too early or something but I have been beating myself up about this. Sucks for me!!
Also I had great coverage especially of the Japanese guys like Takahiro because my uncle is a guide and knows the lake well so he drove a cameraman around and he was able to get me some updates before anyone else could. It was great.
RoLo reply :
I Learned Two Things:
1) Having lived in Georgia for 6 years (92-98), I learned that Lake Hartwell today,
offers better bass fishing now than it did 20 years ago.
2) I also believe that I've learned the reason why.
Some may not be aware of it, but the blueback herring population fell on bad times for many years.
But the blueback has apparently been on the comeback trail, which means more to me personally
than angler stats or angler lures. Blueback herring (an anadromous species) are the key forage fish
on Savannah River impoundments, particularly Lake Hartwell and Clarks Hill Reservoir.
Roger
WRB reply :
On 2/25/2015 at 12:53 AM, Choporoz said:Got an email ad that said the big fish of the tourny was caught on a roboworm. I saw elsewhere that Bobby Lane had the largest. Was it caught on a drop shot?
Also, were the bags all LMB? Spots? Mixed?
Aaron Martens 6 lb 11 oz bass was caught on a 6" straight tail Roboworm, day 2, big bass for the event.
Tom
Alonerankin2 reply :
On 2/25/2015 at 8:00 AM, WRB said:Aaron Martens 6 lb 11 oz bass was caught on a 6" straight tail Roboworm, day 2, big bass for the event.
Tom
What color?
WRB reply :
Don't know, email Mike or Mark at roboworm@aol.com and ask.On 2/25/2015 at 8:09 AM, Alonerankin2 said:What color?
Tom
reelnmn reply :
#1. Iaconelli casually drops F bombs about alien spacecraft.
#2. You have to listen to your instincts. The final day Ish Monroe was practically begging Casey to put down the underspin and throw a jig. Now one is the Classic champ and the other failed to qualify.
#3. All live feed pros were running Lowrance units and often featured closeups of the units. Great advertisement and I want one!
#4. People get way to hung up on the brushpile deal. Multiple people on this and other forums as well as pros such as Brent Ehrler have stated they knew exactly where Casey was fishing each day. They were community holes known to hold large concentrations of fish. The fact that this man beat 176 FLW pros last year then is able to come from behind and beat 53 of the best BASS anglers in the world is incredible.
#5. Live feed truly showcased for the first time the efficiency of pro anglers. There was no lost time fishing a row of docks or working an entire tree line or cove.
Smokinal reply :
I learned not to tell anyone I planted 50 brush piles.
RoLo reply :
On 2/25/2015 at 8:32 AM, Smokinal said:I learned not to tell anyone I planted 50 brush piles.
Matters not who you tell or don't tell, your secret is still open source.
Planting 50 brushpiles would be going to a lot of trouble for all other anglers.
Every time you anchor-down at one of your reefs, a passing boat has got your coordinates.
For instance, in decimal-degree Lat/Lon syntax, a boat passing 50 yards due east of your vessel,
has only to subtract 4 digits from the 4th decimal place. Now it's his brushpile too 
Roger
Alonerankin2 reply :
On 2/25/2015 at 8:32 AM, Smokinal said:I learned not to tell anyone I planted 50 brush piles.
Yup, I learned that it's no advantage to do so..
plumworm reply :
Why won't everyone give up the "50 brushpile" baloney. He won, he did it within the (mega, multi, ultra small print rules) of BASS. So many people want to put an ( * ) on his win. Live with it, He won. BASS said so and all the BS is just that: BS.
WolfyBrandon reply :
I learned that I'm addicted to the Live footage! Waking up early in the morning to watch the pro's fish was awesome, now that it's over I'm bored... 
WolfyBrandon
MDBowHunter reply :
I'm learning that even a pro can't win without being shady. I feel the whole brush pile thing was wrong and BASS should address the issue. I lost a lot of respect for the way things are done in the BASS game...
Smokinal reply :
On 2/25/2015 at 8:32 AM, Smokinal said:I learned not to tell anyone I planted 50 brush piles.
I guess I need to clarify my post. I wouldn't tell because it causes 7 pages of useless overthinking.
Catch 22 reply :
Did Ashley truly benefit from his added structure. I have no idea if he did. Anyone?
Team9nine reply :
While I'm not a fan of pros being able to do this, even preferring that they'd make a rule against it, the simple fact is that, A.), it's not presently against the rules on either professional circuit, B.) it was no secret that Casey had done this previous to the tournament, and C.) every other pro could have done the same thing, though not quite as easily. We only need look back to the last FLW Cup, also won on a herring lake (Murray), where Anthony Gagliardi (who lived on the lake) took the title and the $500,000. He did the exact same thing as Casey (see media excerpt below), yet I don't recall a single post in this forum condemning him and how he won. It's all just part of life on the professional bass tournament trail. if you want to direct your frustration at someone, it should be to the powers at B.A.S.S. and FLW to try and get them to change their rules, not at the anglers who simply followed those rules.
Quote1st Place Anthony Gagliardi (13-2, 10-3, 13-15, 13-14; 51-2 )
Gagliardi on his primary pattern:"...The other thing I had going on was fishing some shallow brush up the Saluda River with a 10" worm, some of the brush was stuff that I had planted myself before this tournament."
"I went out of my way to put it on ugly looking banks where there wasn't much around. These are small little brushpiles that you aren't going to find by idling over them. All that hard work putting that stuff out paid off for me on day two, which was critical. I caught 3 good fish out of those spots, and without that I don't pull this off."
corn-on-the-rob reply :
Yea as much as I was taken aback at first but here is the deal:
1. Can I plant my own piles?
2. Can I have a friend plant piles?
3. Can a stranger plant a pile then can I take down coordinates when I see him do it?
4. Can I ever fish a planted brush pile that I found when no one told me because it is still planted?
5. Can I ask a friend for fishing spots?
6. Can I ask a local or guide for coordinates to some good spots?
7. Can I use a public map that has popular fishing spots marked on it?
7. and so on...
The list is intentionally facetious but my point stands. If #4 is okay, then #1 should be okay.
It is a really muddied line, but the rules would have to be: cannot intentionally fish altered area made with intent to attract fish by you or others. Which in itself is 100% unenforceable; How do you know if a spot was natural or unnatural unless you scuba dove or knew if someone pushed that laydown into the water? Can't do it.
There is no difference between a pro seeing somebody planting a brush pile and marking it, finding a brushpile someone planted and marking it, or planting it themselves and marking it as long as it falls under state/local/tournament laws.
Planting a pile does not ensure it will hold fish (bass for that matter), or big fish, or make them bite, or that no one else would find/fish them.
RSM789 reply :
I said it before, but the reason that a competitor planting brush piles feels "off" is because it is like insider trading.
Everyone has access to the same maps, electronics, lures etc. You choose what you believe will bring success & everyone is on equal footing, because everyone has access to the same information. How they process & what they do with the information makes the difference. How hard they work to find brush piles or other cover is part of that process.
Now, if one competitor alters the playing field in a way that the other anglers aren't privy to, that is an advantage. It is insider knowledge. It may not be useful to win the tournament, but it is still insider knowledge. It really is no different than 1 angler having a Marshal who tells him otherwise unknown information about the lake while the other anglers have Marshals who don't say anything.
My suggestion would be if a competitor is allowed to alter the playing field, he should have to make that information public knowledge with the other competitors. Ethically, if he sees someone planting a brush pile, he should make that public knowledge as well to avoid the appearance of impropriety (paying others to alter the playing field) If he finds brush piles, no need to make it public, everyone else had the opportunity to find them as well.
Do you really want fishing tournaments to be largely determined by who can secretly tilt the playing field in their favor or even destroy other parts of the playing field to hurt other competitors prior to or during the competition? This is fishing, not Death Race 2000.
corn-on-the-rob reply :
On 2/26/2015 at 12:14 PM, RSM789 said:I said it before, but the reason that a competitor planting brush piles feels "off" is because it is like insider trading.
Everyone has access to the same maps, electronics, lures etc. You choose what you believe will bring success & everyone is on equal footing, because everyone has access to the same information. How they process & what they do with the information makes the difference. How hard they work to find brush piles or other cover is part of that process.
Now, if one competitor alters the playing field in a way that the other anglers aren't privy to, that is an advantage. It is insider knowledge. It may not be useful to win the tournament, but it is still insider knowledge. It really is no different than 1 angler having a Marshal who tells him otherwise unknown information about the lake while the other anglers have Marshals who don't say anything.
My suggestion would be if a competitor is allowed to alter the playing field, he should have to make that information public knowledge with the other competitors. Ethically, if he sees someone planting a brush pile, he should make that public knowledge as well to avoid the appearance of impropriety (paying others to alter the playing field) If he finds brush piles, no need to make it public, everyone else had the opportunity to find them as well.
Do you really want fishing tournaments to be largely determined by who can secretly tilt the playing field in their favor or even destroy other parts of the playing field to hurt other competitors prior to or during the competition? This is fishing, not Death Race 2000.
So my buddy who lives on a lake i'm gonna tournament fish tells me where a rock-pile is, do I publicly let all the other anglers know where that rock-pile is?
EDIT: I do agree that I'd rather it not happen but like II mentioned in my post, it has a ton of gray area.
Montanaro reply :
1. Everyone has practice and high quality sonar
2. The bass weren't relating to cover
3. This convo is off topic
I learned that Swindle is great with snot.
Patrick Morrow reply :
When I think that weather sucks in a particular day, then now I keep my mouth shut and know things can be a lot worse.
scaleface reply :
I learned that Casey Ashley is a much more skilled angler than I , because there is no way I could have retrieved an over sized RoadRunner through all those brush piles .
Justin Mott reply :
Honestly I learned a little more about how the Herrings move throughout the day in that system. I found that part to be really interesting and useful.
The brush pile business is meaningless to me. Its part of the rules and culture. Everyone does it. Until they change the rules about getting information from local anglers and guides, the business of dropping brush piles is merely drop in the bucket.
More tournaments are won from asking for local help such as coordinates, baits, etc. If you are really worried about the integrity of the sport and the honor of a title, then I would invite you to look in that direction first. Then I'd feel more justified in coming back to the brush pile issue.
J Francho reply :
Actually, local help is wayyyyy more against the rules than brush piles.
RSM789 reply :
I would say that needs to be disclosed. Any information given to one angler should be available to all anglers.On 2/26/2015 at 2:21 PM, corn-on-the-rob said:So my buddy who lives on a lake i'm gonna tournament fish tells me where a rock-pile is, do I publicly let all the other anglers know where that rock-pile is?
The reason for a touranment is to see who is the best angler on a body of water over a certian time period. The skills that are being tested include the ability to find structure & cover that may hold fish. If someone else is supplying that information to an angler, then it is defeating the purpose of the tournament.
Back to a competitor planting brushpiles, is there any other kind of competition where a participant is allowed to secretly alter the playing field without the fellow competitors being aware of the actions? I can't think of one.
J Francho reply :
I missed the secret part…the brush piles are all you guys want to talk about.
RSM789 reply :
On 2/27/2015 at 11:38 AM, J Francho said:I missed the secret part…the brush piles are all you guys want to talk about.
If no one else knows the locations of the cover you planted, wouldn't that be considered secret?
Not "secret" in that you are trying to hide that you did it, rather "secret" in that you are not disclosing the location.
J Francho reply :
Should he share the rest of what he knows? Actually sharing the location of those brush piles with another competitor is against the rules. He can't unknow or undo what he's done in years living on the lake.
Glenn reply :
I learned that this Classic has become WAY over-analyzed.
RSM789 reply :
No one said anything about unknowing what you know or undoing what you have done. If he finds cover through the methods every angler has access to (fishing, maps, electronics), there is no need to share that information - everyone is on equal footing. If he has altered the playing field, then he doesn't tell one competitor, he should make it common knowledge for the entire field. To not do that allows for insider knowledge that the rest of the field is not privy to in the manner that you learned the info, which is exactly the same as getting information from a local.
A person who lives on the lake a tournament is held will always have a home field advantage, that is known & accepted. No different than a basketball player being more familiar with his home court. However, if a basketball player alters the playing field (loosens boards, changes the shape of the rim), he has insider knowledge that the other competitors don't.
plumworm reply :
I was down on Rayburn in the late 90's. We were in a cabin next to a couple of ladies fishing a Bassin Gals tourney. Cocktails on the deck led us to discuss fishing. I remarked that most of our fish had come on a "sourgrape" zoom lizard. One of the ladies jumped up and said, " you do know that now, we have to disqualify ourselves because of what you just told us" The other one told her to " shut up", and have another drink. No outside information? BS.
RSM789 reply :
I'm not saying outside information doesn't happen, I am making a suggestion as to what standard the competitors should be held to.
In your example, i don't believe the ladies should have been disqualified, rather they should then be obligated to notify the tournament directors (who can notify the rest of the field) that some drunk guy told them that most of his fish came on sourgrape zoom lizards. Everyone will have the same information, what they choose to do with it is their decision.
Oregon Native reply :
On 2/27/2015 at 1:10 PM, Glenn said:I learned that this Classic has become WAY over-analyzed.
No kidding....but then what isn't now
wnspain reply :
On 2/24/2015 at 12:19 AM, roadwarrior said:No. As I specifically noted, the rules address the issue and the practice is allowed.
However, rules change over time and maybe this one should be discussed and
reconsidered.
Regardless of the ethical aspect of the subject, how would you suggest it be modified, and then how are you going to enforce it? Anyone who really wants to seed his favorite area can hire any joe schmo to drop XXX at Lat xxx Lon xxx.
scaleface reply :
On 2/27/2015 at 8:32 PM, wnspain said:Regardless of the ethical aspect of the subject, how would you suggest it be modified, and then how are you going to enforce it? Anyone who really wants to seed his favorite area can hire any joe schmo to drop XXX at Lat xxx Lon xxx.
Yeah , it could never be enforced .I do think that others shouldn't be able to sink them for you. In other words Strike King shouldnt be allowed to alter the environment then give their pros the waypoints.
RSM789 reply :
On 2/27/2015 at 8:32 PM, wnspain said:Regardless of the ethical aspect of the subject, how would you suggest it be modified, and then how are you going to enforce it? Anyone who really wants to seed his favorite area can hire any joe schmo to drop XXX at Lat xxx Lon xxx.
There will always be people who cheat.
I'm not, nor is anyone else, suggesting that Casey Ashley cheated. We are just pointing out a loophole that for the integrity of the sport should be modified to keep information about the condition of the playing field available for all. Plant brush piles to your hearts delight, heck you could even plant them in bad areas in an effort to throw your competitors off. Just make your actions public knowledge.
On a completely different subject, but still pertaining to the Classic (albeit it last years), remember when Randy Howell caught that 6+ late on day 3 & it had those leeches stuck to it? His natural & normal reaction was to pull them off & throw them in the water. If someone wanted to be a jerk, could have they claimed a rules violation of chumming? Probably not, since the food source originated from a fish you caught, like shad thrown up by a fish, but I am glad that it never even came up.
InfamousBG reply :
I learned that Rapala still makes some of the best jerk baits on the market (Shadow Rap).
J Francho reply :
On 2/27/2015 at 1:10 PM, Glenn said:I learned that this Classic has become WAY over-analyzed.
I don't agrree. They all get this much attention. What bait did Kriet use? Where can I get that color red eye shad? Hand painted wiggle warts? Lol. All part of the fun
Logan S reply :
Chad L reply :
I learned that the fisherman that make it to that level and to fish the Classic have absolutely earned it. I really like the time frame that they have gone to as it really separates those that have earned being there from those that have not. The willingness to refine your tactics to the temperature and climate, utilize new skills and tactics, catch fish when a majority of the fishermen and woman would struggle tremendously. Removing most of the comfort level makes for a much more exciting venue. The average fisherperson can catch fish when the temps/environment is good and I would rather see adverse conditions that cause the fishers to "work" for it. Excitement is what brings most of us to this sport.
HookdUP reply :
In drag racing you run what you brung .. Casey made sure he brought enough
wnspain reply :
On 2/27/2015 at 10:58 PM, RSM789 said:There will always be people who cheat.
I'm not, nor is anyone else, suggesting that Casey Ashley cheated. We are just pointing out a loophole that for the integrity of the sport should be modified to keep information about the condition of the playing field available for all. Plant brush piles to your hearts delight, heck you could even plant them in bad areas in an effort to throw your competitors off. Just make your actions public knowledge.
On a completely different subject, but still pertaining to the Classic (albeit it last years), remember when Randy Howell caught that 6+ late on day 3 & it had those leeches stuck to it? His natural & normal reaction was to pull them off & throw them in the water. If someone wanted to be a jerk, could have they claimed a rules violation of chumming? Probably not, since the food source originated from a fish you caught, like shad thrown up by a fish, but I am glad that it never even came up.
I'm not suggesting that he cheated either. I'm just simply stating that whatever the rule modification ends up being...it has to be enforceable. Otherwise, it has no value.
RSM789 reply :
Fair enough, that is an excellent point. Making rules that are unenforceable weakens the rest of the tournament structure.
Enforcement would not be easy, but if it was tied to some kind of major punishment for violation, you would see competitors making darn sure there wasn't even an appearance of impropriety.
sbeetz reply :
Watching the live coverage, I learned that I do not re-tie often enough.
Glenn reply :
Looks like this is a hotbed of emotions. Posts have been deleted, warnings sent, and we're done.
And scene....
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