Re: why fishing regulations cannot work and should be removed 2024
D4u2s0t reply :
looks like they're trying to prevent people from fishing during the spawn... Like they said, if you catch one, just put it back like you would any other out of season fish.
Dan: reply :
I don't see what you're so worked up about. If you are fishing for other species and catch a bass. Throw it back. Simple! Just don't go out fishing with a bunch of obvious bass lures and say that you aren't bass fishing.
You could always move to a state that doesn't have an open season for bass. Or start fishing for other species.
Glenn reply :
Perhaps an English class or two would be helpful. :
basspro215 reply :
Here in NY our season don't open till the 3rd sat of June but Ive never been told i cant fish for a bass any time of the year
Grey Wolf reply :
It's tough being you.
BrianSnat reply :
I gather his quarrel is with the rule against "targeting" bass out of season. I agree that it's silly. It is a rule that is hard to enforce. Bass lures and tactics are often similar to those used for pickerel and pike.
In NJ we simply can't keep bass when they are on the beds. Nothing says we can't target them.
If I lived in Minnesota I'd share Rookiesmallmouther's annoyance with the rule.
Long Mike reply :
Rookiesmallmouther, I would like to respond to your post, but your spelling and punctuation are so poor I quit trying to read it. This site has a built-in spell-checker. We would all appreciate it if you would use it.
Marty reply :
QuoteHere in NY our season don't open till the 3rd sat of June but Ive never been told i cant fish for a bass any time of the year
Yes you have if you've been fishing more than three years. Targeting bass (and other fish) out of season was expressly prohibited until they relaxed the rules to allow catch-and-release on bass only effective December 1, 2006. That change was the best thing that ever happened to me in 40 years of fishing.
That was the law, even if thousands violated it. I cheated too at times, throwing lures that pike and pickerel would take in waters that contained them. I just stayed away from bass-only ponds, as much as that hurt.
As to our Minnesota friend, the chances of getting nailed are very slight, but let your conscience be your guide.
Frog Turds reply :
QuoteBass lures and tactics are often similar to those used for pickerel and pike.
walleye, pike, musky, smallmouth & LM are all closed here.
so if your throwing anything that isn't a panfish bait, your probably not going for panfish and targeting gamefish out of season. thats how they can enforce it if they wish.
unless your fishin the year round areas of the mississippi.
.dsaavedra. reply :
here in maryland we can target bass all year long, just can't keep any from March 1 to June 15.
Dan: reply :
QuoteQuoteBass lures and tactics are often similar to those used for pickerel and pike.
walleye, pike, musky, smallmouth & LM are all closed here.
so if your throwing anything that isn't a panfish bait, your probably not going for panfish and targeting gamefish out of season. thats how they can enforce it if they wish.
unless your fishin the year round areas of the mississippi.
oh snap, well that makes it easy.
RichF reply :
I feel like this rule only hurts the guys that fish bass strictly for sport, joy, and fun (like me). I don't keep ANY fish ANY time of the season. This rule isn't going to stop those folks that fish illegally. I've seen way too many guys fish without a license, keep more than the legal limit, etc. and this rule with not discourage them. It only discourages guys like me who fish for the pure sport of it.
spinners reply :
INTERESTING POST=I LIVE IN KENTUCKY AND DID NOT KNOW OF A STATE, THAT HAD, A SEASON ON BASS,I FISH IN TENN. AS WELL ,I GUESS THE OLD SAYING IS TRUE, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE UNTIL IT'S GONE.I'AM SURE THE REGULATION'S ARE THERE FOR A GOOD REASON,AND THE ==D.N.R.= TOLD YOU IF YOU CAUGHT ONE, THROW IT BACK.SOUND'S SIMPLE ENOUGH.
GOOD LUCK
SPINNER'S
Quinte bass reply :
If the Reg's say you can't target Bass...then that's it! Standard here in Ontario...Last Saturday in June before we can target bass. There are good reasons for these regulations....go figure. Ticks me off when I see guys using obvious bass tactics out of season, many are from south of the border...but by no means all! Claiming to be targeting pike/walleye! You aint foolin anybody.....go give your head a shake you selfish scoundrels! Shootings to good for them!
Rant over....
PS...'Scoundrels' was not my descriptive choice.....far from it, however the site software tempered the descriptive with 'scoundrels'...
Back2fishing reply :
Here in Manitoba , the season closes March 31st and reopens May 15th .After March 31st all you can fish for is trout all other fish are off limits .
rookiesmallmouther reply :
Quotei live in minnesota and the rugulation is i cannot target bass when not in season but season starts in may 29! way past spring so whats the point of spring tactics that so many of us bass guys use? i contacted the dnr and they propose to me that lures like topwater, frogs, big lures, spinners, inline spinners, grubs and what not would be obvious signs to targeting bass and out of season fish but i say i use lures like that to throw around for whatever to bite. they suggest if i do catch a bass or out of season fish to unhook it and toss it baack quickly, hmm sounds sneaky like if i found a bag of drugs and took it without knowing whats inside til i later found out to just bring it back to were i found it. yes this regulation is very ridiculous im fine with the oppenner but when your fishing for bass out of season it should be fine as long as no fish is kept! you cannot inforce what lures people can use and what people can catch because what the hell anything can be caught i can catch a freaking shark anythings possble! what are your guy's thaughts to this regulation. and if this is so in other states how would people be filming fishing shows and bass fishing out of season like in linders fishing edge when they show you how to catch bass in the spring! wouldnt they be getting fines!?[edit]Edited out profanity - Glenn[/edit]
sorry for my slang internet grammor and spelling. Anyways I fish for sport and fun I do catch and release and when its in season ill keep MAYBE one if im feeling the munchies for one. I just think that what if someone was throwing a lure like a spinnerbait thinking it can catch panfish or
whitebass<--- open all year---- and has no clue of what lures to use and a warden thinks he's bass fishing or fishing out of season fish, arrest him for that reason, how would you try to explain it? All i can make of this is that I will have to lie and be sneakiy and cautious of whoes watching because i know manny of you guys do it too :-X In all whatever happens happens cant do nothing about it, I guess lieing is the way to go 
yes i understand the laws but some are silly like this one cant control what you catch cant control what you cast out there but apparently some people will let it control there fishing but it wont control my love of catching bass :'(
Quinte bass reply :
Your dilemma can be very simply solved! Don't fish methods and locations where you suspect (out of season) bass may be nesting...Simple 'innit'? If you love bassin and the species to the degree you profess....the aforementioned should be a given!!!!
RichF reply :
QuoteIf the Reg's say you can't target Bass...then that's it! Standard here in Ontario...Last Saturday in June before we can target bass. There are good reasons for these regulations....go figure. Ticks me off when I see guys using obvious bass tactics out of season, many are from south of the border...but by no means all! Claiming to be targeting pike/walleye! You aint foolin anybody.....go give your head a shake you selfish scoundrels! Shootings to good for them!Rant over....
PS...'Scoundrels' was not my descriptive choice.....far from it, however the site software tempered the descriptive with 'scoundrels'...
Please tell my how it hurts the bass population if you catch and release now. They are far from spawning. The real "scoundrels" are the guys that catch a limit of bass, take them into shore, then go back out and repeat. I've seen that happen. I fish purely for sport and I spend a lot of time and money doing it. I pay taxes and I buy my license every year. I'm not the scoundrel here.
RichF reply :
And another thing..What does more damage to the bass population..me catching and releasing all year or some one else catching and keeping his limit every time he goes out when the season is open?
kikstand454 reply :
wow.
i sure am glad i live in the F-L-A.
this is similar to liscencing here. in the winter... trout and reds move far up river esp spring rivers and hang out.
they will certainly hit some bass lures. also... sheepshead sometimes spend all year up in freshwater holes. many bream anglers and some bass anglers even (my brother has caught a few on crankbaits) catch them on accident.
the rule is here if you KEEP it... you have to have the appropiate liscence for it. salt or fresh.
if you are using shrimp... you have to have a salt liscence because youre not fishing for freshwater fish. even though you are indeed in fresh water.
i think your law of not even being able to target gamefish for months at a time is a fabulous reason for me to never ever move up north:)
i will agree with you though... there are lots and lots of people that couldnt care less about regulations on size or creel number or seasons and take what they want when they want and to hell with the consequenses. these people suck. there is no reason at all to take fish illeagally when it costs so much to do so.
might as well just go to a fish market and buy some fish. its cheaper and already prepared. people are just stupid though.
SPEEDBEAD. reply :
QuoteQuotei live in minnesota and the rugulation is i cannot target bass when not in season but season starts in may 29! way past spring so whats the point of spring tactics that so many of us bass guys use? i contacted the dnr and they propose to me that lures like topwater, frogs, big lures, spinners, inline spinners, grubs and what not would be obvious signs to targeting bass and out of season fish but i say i use lures like that to throw around for whatever to bite. they suggest if i do catch a bass or out of season fish to unhook it and toss it baack quickly, hmm sounds sneaky like if i found a bag of drugs and took it without knowing whats inside til i later found out to just bring it back to were i found it. yes this regulation is very ridiculous im fine with the oppenner but when your fishing for bass out of season it should be fine as long as no fish is kept! you cannot inforce what lures people can use and what people can catch because what the hell anything can be caught i can catch a freaking shark anythings possble! what are your guy's thaughts to this regulation. and if this is so in other states how would people be filming fishing shows and bass fishing out of season like in linders fishing edge when they show you how to catch bass in the spring! wouldnt they be getting fines!?[edit]Edited out profanity - Glenn[/edit]
sorry for my slang internet grammor and spelling. Anyways I fish for sport and fun I do catch and release and when its in season ill keep MAYBE one if im feeling the munchies for one. I just think that what if someone was throwing a lure like a spinnerbait thinking it can catch panfish or
whitebass<--- open all year---- and has no clue of what lures to use and a warden thinks he's bass fishing or fishing out of season fish, arrest him for that reason, how would you try to explain it? All i can make of this is that I will have to lie and be sneakiy and cautious of whoes watching because i know manny of you guys do it too :-X In all whatever happens happens cant do nothing about it, I guess lieing is the way to go
yes i understand the laws but some are silly like this one cant control what you catch cant control what you cast out there but apparently some people will let it control there fishing but it wont control my love of catching bass :'(
You have alot to learn.
Start with your "grammor." Perhaps that will enable you to understand the laws of your area and lead you to compliance.
Being "sneakiy" too "manny" times won't get you very far around here.
Hilarious. ;D
RichF reply :
What is everybody here trying to be an English teacher? Why don't you guys talk about the topic instead of bashing rookiesmallmouther's grammar.
SPEEDBEAD. reply :
QuoteWhat is everybody here trying to be an English teacher? Why don't you guys talk about the topic instead of bashing rookiesmallmouther's grammar.
Sorry we upset your day.
That's how it goes here. You don't have to be an English major, but a coherent thought isn't really too much to ask.
Quinte bass reply :
As I said earlier, in the Northern States of the US, and in Ontario Canada, the Regulations are there with good reason!
"Pre-season angling is believed to have a profound negative effect on the nesting behaviour and ultimately the nesting success of these highly sought sport fish species. It has been proven by many studies that if adult male bass are caught and removed from the nest, the eggs or fry (young bass) become easy prey for small predators such as pan fish and perch. In just the few minutes that it takes anglers to catch and release the bass, the nest may be completely wiped out. Even if the nest is not predated upon, the male may abandon their nest after being released"
It all comes down to what individual anglers deem more important....their own selfish enjoyment, or the long term success of the bass population. It's not rocket science....is it?
PS...as to the grammar aspect, no one is perfect however a semblance of punctuation etc does lend a greater degree of understanding to the reading public, of the point the poster wishes to promote....
RichF reply :
Don't worry. You didn't upset my day. I'd just rather hear comments on the topic because I think it's a good one. It just seems like I see way too many snide remarks about people's grammar instead of comments on threads. Yes it's nice to see proper grammar used but I don't think the rude comments are that necessary.
RichF reply :
QuoteAs I said earlier, in the Northern States of the US, and in Ontario Canada, the Regulations are there with good reason!"Pre-season angling is believed to have a profound negative effect on the nesting behaviour and ultimately the nesting success of these highly sought sport fish species. It has been proven by many studies that if adult male bass are caught and removed from the nest, the eggs or fry (young bass) become easy prey for small predators such as pan fish and perch. In just the few minutes that it takes anglers to catch and release the bass, the nest may be completely wiped out. Even if the nest is not predated upon, the male may abandon their nest after being released"
It all comes down to what individual anglers deem more important....their own selfish enjoyment, or the long term success of the bass population. It's not rocket science....is it?
No it's not rocket science. Right now the bass are NOT spawning, so what is the harm in catching and releasing. Like I said before, I'm pretty sure keeping bass (whether they are in season or not) is obviously much worse than catching and releasing a bedding bass. A bass doesn't stand a chance at spawning if it's in your frying pan.
Dan: reply :
QuoteAs I said earlier, in the Northern States of the US, and in Ontario Canada, the Regulations are there with good reason!
"Pre-season angling is believed to have a profound negative effect on the nesting behaviour and ultimately the nesting success of these highly sought sport fish species. It has been proven by many studies that if adult male bass are caught and removed from the nest, the eggs or fry (young bass) become easy prey for small predators such as pan fish and perch. In just the few minutes that it takes anglers to catch and release the bass, the nest may be completely wiped out. Even if the nest is not predated upon, the male may abandon their nest after being released"
It all comes down to what individual anglers deem more important....their own selfish enjoyment, or the long term success of the bass population. It's not rocket science....is it?
From what I've learned, this whole belief is a a misconception. The states cite the same "studies" that you did but they neglect to talk about the studies that show lakes maintaining healthy hatch classes despite nest predation and abandonment. There is evidence that suggests fishing during the spawn does NOT harm the fishery.
So it's not really just about selfish enjoyment vs. bass populations.
Glenn reply :
Oh boy, here we go yet again. 2 more months of this to go too. :-/
Do a search for "spawn" and read through the numerous multi-page threads on this topic. I'm absolutely convinced that everything that's been said about this topic has been said here before. You'll find a gold mine of information if you take the time to use the search feature.
Enjoy!
Quinte bass reply :
Dan, you may well be correct however, I tend to err on the side of caution! So until the powers that be say it's ok to to target spawning bass and the regulations are amended accordingly, then I will willingly comply with the regulations as they stand. IMHO I believe all species should be left alone when spawning...it can do no harm and may (probably does) a lot of good!
Dan: reply :
QuoteDan, you may well be correct however, I tend to err on the side of caution! So until the powers that be say it's ok to to target spawning bass and the regulations are amended accordingly, then I will willingly comply with the regulations as they stand. IMHO I believe all species should be left alone when spawning...it can do no harm and may (probably does) a lot of good!
well it doesn't seem to be hurting any of the places that do allow spawn fishing. I agree that you should follow the regs, I'm just saying that I think recent science contradict their intentions.
Glenn reply :
Let's not get into it please. Science vs. emotions never turns out good here.
Let's move on please before it turns into a fight where we have to lock down the thread.
RichF reply :
Why is nobody acknowledging the fact that keeping a bass = no chance at spawning? Everyone is saying that guys like myself and rookie that catch and release bass before the season opens are affecting the fishery in a negative way. Releasing a fish out of season...or keeping a fish during the season... I see one live fish and one dead fish. Which is really hurting the bass population?
Glenn reply :
It's a matter of following your state regulations instead of trying to reason your way out of it.
Don't like your state's regs? Send a letter to them, or better yet, attend their meetings. They're open to the public, and even allow public comment. Contact them to find out their processes, then go for it! You CAN make a difference.
Until then, you need to follow the regs whether or not you agree with them.
Frog Turds reply :
thing is rich, all game species here is closed, except the mississippi. so if you open bass for c&r. you would have to open all game fish here the same.
i can only imagine on high pressured lakes especially, that the spawning areas would get harassed severly. which i have to believe would be a negative impact regardless. to me its commensense to let the majority of, pike, walleye, smallies, muskies & lm get spawned out without being harassed.
waiting for opener for me, is like a kid waiting for the trip to disneyland 
just makes it more exciting when it comes and its all kind of fresh again.
BassThumb reply :
QuotePerhaps an English class or two would be helpful. :
+1. These will keep you occupied while you wait for May 29th.
Hammer 4 reply :
I guess living in So. Cali isn't so bad after all.. ;D
BassThumb reply :
BTW, the wait is d**n near KILLING me as well. I live in MN, and after 3 months of snow, cabin fever and boredom, I would do just about anything to get on the water.
Even on this late opener, there are still tons of nests that are active, and when you snag the males from them, you leave them to the bluegills, who never miss the opportunity to gorge themselves. You can easily watch the bluegills invade the nest, which soon turns into a cloud of sediment because the gills are shredding the eggs and kicking up dust.
I try to get my fix by flyfishing for bluegills before the May 15th multi -species opener, and then go after northerns for two weeks before the May 29th bass opener. I get by, so can you. :
b.Lee reply :
QuotePerhaps an English class or two would be helpful. :
Thank you for making me spit at my monitor.
wapiti reply :
Lots of grammar nazis on this board. . . :
I'm from Michigan and bass season does not open until late May. I follow the law and will not fish until the season opens, but it drives me absolutely crazy when it is 75 degrees outside, and I can't legally go bass fishing.
I follow the law, because I understand the reasoning behind it, but what ticks me off is that my friends/classmates do not do the same. Yesterday, a classmate from high school, posted a picture on facebook of a 23 inch L.M. he caught. He then proceeded to send out invitations for everyone to come fishing at his house over the weekend.
He invited me to go fishing with him, and my reply was "I'd like to go fishing, but the season isn't open"
His reply: "It's a private lake, so the season doesn't matter, and in the summer you don't even need to buy a license to fish."
Pretty much the general thought process in this area, is that if it's warm outside, it's okay to go fishing.
My buddy recently moved to a small lake (all in all there are like 20 houses on the lake) and he invited me to go fishing last week saying "It's a private lake, so you can fish whenever."
Even if it is a private lake it's still illegal to intentionally fish for bass out of season. . . right?
Fishing is my passion. . . basically, I buy a license every year, I do not fish out of season, and I strictly catch and release. But, through mostly ignorance, all my classmates get to enjoy fishing out of season with zero consequences.
tyrius. reply :
QuoteIt's a matter of following your state regulations instead of trying to reason your way out of it.Don't like your state's regs? Send a letter to them, or better yet, attend their meetings. They're open to the public, and even allow public comment. Contact them to find out their processes, then go for it! You CAN make a difference.
Until then, you need to follow the regs whether or not you agree with them.
Agreed 1000%. If I had to deal with season's you can bet that I'd be attaending all meetings and getting people behind changing it.
There is no scientific basis for having a season so what's the point? They are actually hurting their own state's economies by not allowing people to use up their tackle which they would have to repurchase, or spend money on gas, food, etc.
dumb.
grimlin reply :
Quotehere in maryland we can target bass all year long, just can't keep any from March 1 to June 15.
That's what Michigan needs.Something closer to that will actually protect them during spawning. Yet C & R still continues during that time period as well.
Wapiti,get out your UL rod and go crappie or Bluegill fishing(there's no season on them).When it hits 75 you won't see me staying indoors... ;D. Just don't intentionally target bass,The DNR guys told me don't worry about it,just let them go as fast as you can.
Grey Wolf reply :
QuoteLots of grammar Nazi's on this board. . . :I'm from Michigan and bass season does not open until late May. I follow the law and will not fish until the season opens, but it drives me absolutely crazy when it is 75 degrees outside, and I can't legally go bass fishing.
I follow the law, because I understand the reasoning behind it, but what ticks me off is that my friends/classmates do not do the same. Yesterday, a classmate from high school, posted a picture on facebook of a 23 inch L.M. he caught. He then proceeded to send out invitations for everyone to come fishing at his house over the weekend.
He invited me to go fishing with him, and my reply was "I'd like to go fishing, but the season isn't open"
His reply: "It's a private lake, so the season doesn't matter, and in the summer you don't even need to buy a license to fish."
Pretty much the general thought process in this area, is that if it's warm outside, it's okay to go fishing.
My buddy recently moved to a small lake (all in all there are like 20 houses on the lake) and he invited me to go fishing last week saying "It's a private lake, so you can fish whenever."
Even if it is a private lake it's still illegal to intentionally fish for bass out of season. . . right?
Fishing is my passion. . . basically, I buy a license every year, I do not fish out of season, and I strictly catch and release. But, through mostly ignorance, all my classmates get to enjoy fishing out of season with zero consequences.
You seem like a very intelligent young man but do you understand what Nazism is ?
HuntFishAK reply :
QuoteLots of grammar nazis on this board. . . :I'm from Michigan and bass season does not open until late May. I follow the law and will not fish until the season opens, but it drives me absolutely crazy when it is 75 degrees outside, and I can't legally go bass fishing.
I follow the law, because I understand the reasoning behind it, but what ticks me off is that my friends/classmates do not do the same. Yesterday, a classmate from high school, posted a picture on facebook of a 23 inch L.M. he caught. He then proceeded to send out invitations for everyone to come fishing at his house over the weekend.
He invited me to go fishing with him, and my reply was "I'd like to go fishing, but the season isn't open"
His reply: "It's a private lake, so the season doesn't matter, and in the summer you don't even need to buy a license to fish."
Pretty much the general thought process in this area, is that if it's warm outside, it's okay to go fishing.
My buddy recently moved to a small lake (all in all there are like 20 houses on the lake) and he invited me to go fishing last week saying "It's a private lake, so you can fish whenever."
Even if it is a private lake it's still illegal to intentionally fish for bass out of season. . . right?
Fishing is my passion. . . basically, I buy a license every year, I do not fish out of season, and I strictly catch and release. But, through mostly ignorance, all my classmates get to enjoy fishing out of season with zero consequences.
I would say you are correct, it should still be illegal to fish out of season for bass even if it's a private lake. It wouldn't be any different than hunting out of season on private land. It's called poaching. I would call your local wildlife officer and ask them.
bryand82487 reply :
QuoteEven if it is a private lake it's still illegal to intentionally fish for bass out of season. . . right?
Where I live their are no fishing laws on a season and I'm not to familiar with your laws but here's my thoughts on this. When it comes to hunting on private land, hunting seasons and regulations apply to everyone even if it is your land and it's private. Some states you don't have to purchase a license if your the landowner but that's about it. I've never really thought about fishing since I'm not familiar with these laws but my best guess would be that you can legally fish a private lake out of season. The reason being is because homeowners or the landowners paid to have the lake built and paid to stock the lake with the fish. How could the DNR have the authority to tell them not to fish it?
wapiti reply :
QuoteQuoteEven if it is a private lake it's still illegal to intentionally fish for bass out of season. . . right?
I'm not familiar with these laws but my best guess would be that you can legally fish a private lake out of season. The reason being is because homeowners or the landowners paid to have the lake built and paid to stock the lake with the fish. How could the DNR have the authority to tell them not to fish it?
This makes sense. . . does anyone know the official ruling on this?
D4u2s0t reply :
QuoteQuoteAs I said earlier, in the Northern States of the US, and in Ontario Canada, the Regulations are there with good reason!"Pre-season angling is believed to have a profound negative effect on the nesting behaviour and ultimately the nesting success of these highly sought sport fish species. It has been proven by many studies that if adult male bass are caught and removed from the nest, the eggs or fry (young bass) become easy prey for small predators such as pan fish and perch. In just the few minutes that it takes anglers to catch and release the bass, the nest may be completely wiped out. Even if the nest is not predated upon, the male may abandon their nest after being released"
It all comes down to what individual anglers deem more important....their own selfish enjoyment, or the long term success of the bass population. It's not rocket science....is it?
No it's not rocket science. Right now the bass are NOT spawning, so what is the harm in catching and releasing. Like I said before, I'm pretty sure keeping bass (whether they are in season or not) is obviously much worse than catching and releasing a bedding bass. A bass doesn't stand a chance at spawning if it's in your frying pan.
The problem is, it's not like bass say to themselves, "Ok guys, it's april 15th, time to spawn!" There's alot of variables involved, so that's why they have the restrictions when they do. Bass don't spawn at the same time every year.
To answer your question earlier about what's worse, catch and release, or keeping a limit? Depends on the body of water. There's plenty of water out there where you're hurting the fishery by putting every fish back. In many lakes, it's actually better to keep fish within a certain size.
HuntFishAK reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteEven if it is a private lake it's still illegal to intentionally fish for bass out of season. . . right?
I'm not familiar with these laws but my best guess would be that you can legally fish a private lake out of season. The reason being is because homeowners or the landowners paid to have the lake built and paid to stock the lake with the fish. How could the DNR have the authority to tell them not to fish it?
This makes sense. . . does anyone know the official ruling on this?
Call the game warden, serioulsy. It's their job to answer questions like this. And they will be the ones to write the ticket.
bigfruits reply :
ok, i think i have a solution for you. same one DNR told you. target other fish with the same lures and at the same places bass hang out. if youre thinking about walleye, you are targeting them. when you hook a bass, let it go quickly like DNR said.
sounds they gave you the "loophole" probably to get off the phone
sounds like this is hard to enforce and probably impossible to prove in court unless you have a bass in the cooler.
tyrius. reply :
QuoteI've never really thought about fishing since I'm not familiar with these laws but my best guess would be that you can legally fish a private lake out of season. The reason being is because homeowners or the landowners paid to have the lake built and paid to stock the lake with the fish. How could the DNR have the authority to tell them not to fish it?
We don't have season in IL (thank god!) but you do not need a fishing license to fish on YOUR OWN pond. It has to be your's alone (can not be a neighborhood pond) and you have to own it.
Now the chances of DNR showing up at a private pond are probably less than your chance to win the lottery, but that's the rule.
steezy reply :
QuotePerhaps an English class or two would be helpful. :
X2
Bass_Akwards reply :
QuotePerhaps an English class or two would be helpful. :
Bwahahahahahaahahahaha! Timeless.
kikstand454 reply :
as far as i know... here in florida you dont have to have a liscence... and therefore are not subject really to fines or jail... if the body of water you are on/in has no public access. i.e. gated neighborhoods private land etc.
if you can get to it publicly though... then its regulations as usual.
trust this though.... the regulations that are put on your lake.. are probably there for a good reason. it is a hard decision for politicians that probably dont know squat about fishing to tell people not to fish and therefore not to spend money on the surrounding area.
you know how those people are about money.
Marty reply :
QuoteAs I said earlier, in the Northern States of the US, and in Ontario Canada, the Regulations are there with good reason!"Pre-season angling is believed to have a profound negative effect on the nesting behaviour and ultimately the nesting success of these highly sought sport fish species. It has been proven by many studies that if adult male bass are caught and removed from the nest, the eggs or fry (young bass) become easy prey for small predators such as pan fish and perch. In just the few minutes that it takes anglers to catch and release the bass, the nest may be completely wiped out. Even if the nest is not predated upon, the male may abandon their nest after being released"
Just because they say it doesn't mean it's true. As I mentioned earlier, New York just started out-of-season catch-and-release three years ago. Here in the U.S. we were one of only about a half-dozen states to be that restrictive. While we couldn't target bass, the anglers in every bordering state could fish for them. What did they know that New York didn't or vice versa?
At any rate, about 90% of our states have always allowed year-round bass fishing and their fisheries are still producing, regardless of what some say about what happens during the spawn. Maybe fisheries are more sensitive in the north? I have no idea.
In the meantime, in the three years since NY relaxed the regulations, I've heard nothing about any effect it has had or not had.
I truly feel bad for our friends in Canada and some of the northern states who love their bass and can't do what they love so much.
Quinte bass reply :
QuoteQuoteAs I said earlier, in the Northern States of the US, and in Ontario Canada, the Regulations are there with good reason!"Pre-season angling is believed to have a profound negative effect on the nesting behaviour and ultimately the nesting success of these highly sought sport fish species. It has been proven by many studies that if adult male bass are caught and removed from the nest, the eggs or fry (young bass) become easy prey for small predators such as pan fish and perch. In just the few minutes that it takes anglers to catch and release the bass, the nest may be completely wiped out. Even if the nest is not predated upon, the male may abandon their nest after being released"
Just because they say it doesn't mean it's true. As I mentioned earlier, New York just started out-of-season catch-and-release three years ago. Here in the U.S. we were one of only about a half-dozen states to be that restrictive. While we couldn't target bass, the anglers in every bordering state could fish for them. What did they know that New York didn't or vice versa?
At any rate, about 90% of our states have always allowed year-round bass fishing and their fisheries are still producing, regardless of what some say about what happens during the spawn. Maybe fisheries are more sensitive in the north? I have no idea.
In the meantime, in the three years since NY relaxed the regulations, I've heard nothing about any effect it has had or not had.
I truly feel bad for our friends in Canada and some of the northern states who love their bass and can't do what they love so much.
Got this from the MNR Ontario site. It may better explain the reasoning behind the 'total' bass close season in Ontario...that is to say, making the targeting of them during this period unlawful:
At more northern climes, such as in Ontario, the
growth and maturity of bass is delayed compared to stocks in the more southern portion
of their range. Large bass are particularly vulnerable during the spawning and nesting
period. There are also concerns that catch-and-release fishing of nesting bass can
impair reproductive success and subsequent recruitment . This situation may be more acute in southern Ontario where waters generally have more complex fish communities and, therefore, greater
predation. After modeling the effects of angling for nesting male smallmouth bass on
production of age-0 fish, Ridgway and Shuter (1997) concluded that closed fishing seasons during the parental care period was a viable management option.
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This year we get to go a week earlier for them (June 23rd) instead of the last Saturday in June! :)
River Rat316 reply :
The studies of NORTHERN waters do show a negative effect. I still believe it should be open to C&R but no bed targeting. I personally never fish beds, Not all the fish in the system are spawners on every given year, only about 30-50% of the population actually spawn. That leaves a whole lot of fish you can target that aren't on beds or doing their thing.
On a side note I have a very good friend that is a fisheries manager for one of the areas in MN and he is putting a lot of work into getting some "experimental" regs in place on waters that have reduced limits or are already C&R for the rest of the season. These waters will be open to C&R year round if he gets his way.
Beaver Islander Muskies are closed until the first weekend in June.... so I would choose a different fish to say you are targeting after Walleye opener and between bass opener.
Glenn reply :
QuoteRidgway and Shuter (1997) concluded that closed fishing seasons during
So they're basing their regulations off a single, 33-year-old study? WOW! 
Remember, back then the popular thinking was that bass stayed in the shade because the sun hurt their eyes! ;D
Note: I'm not advocating breaking the law because of the above. But I do think it's time they revisit the reasons/motivations behind their regulations and update them based upon modern science.
St.Joeriversmallie reply :
I live in michigan and on private waters you can basicly do what you want. But once you leave and are on public property like the road then a undersized bass is illegal cause you cant prove it came from private waters. I read on Dnr website a few days ago. As long as you have permision from landowner you can fish for bass with no license all year. Just dont leave private property with small bass or too many panfish. Oh and by the way, bass cant fend off sunfish to begin with and alot of eggs get eaten. Once the female leaves it is just the male. Small sunfish can take out nests easy. I think a CR all year season in michigan is what needs to be done. Everybody fishes for them around here anyway. Ive been out a dozen times this year and half the times i see guys throwing spinnerbiats and jerks all over. Very few DNR officers to enforce these rules. They know it too. Indiana has great bass fishing and they have no regs. Seems to work fine for them.
Hooked_On_Bass reply :
QuoteThis year we get to go a week earlier for them (June 23rd) instead of the last Saturday in June!
Out of curiosity, which FMZ opens on Wednesday, June 23? Ours is still the 4th Saturday in June.
Thanks!
Quinte bass reply :
QuoteQuoteThis year we get to go a week earlier for them (June 23rd) instead of the last Saturday in June!
Out of curiosity, which FMZ opens on Wednesday, June 23? Ours is still the 4th Saturday in June.
Thanks!
You are quite correct....my mistake! :-? I was looking at an old web page (2006 - 2007) as it came up first on my web search I took it as being current...which on closer inspection I now see it is not!!! Look before you leap and all that :-[
Last Saturday in June (26th) it is....apologies for the miss-information. :-X
Nicky Greece reply :
God bless Kentucky...
tyrius. reply :
QuoteThere are also concerns that catch-and-release fishing of nesting bass can
impair reproductive success and subsequent recruitment .
Sounds like it's just based on feelings. Concerns are not the same as evidence.
QuoteRidgway and Shuter (1997) concluded that closed fishing seasons during the parental care period was a viable management option.4
Of course it's a viable management option! That's like saying the sky is blue or bass swim in the water.
The real question should be "does angling have a negative impact on overall fish populations?". Real world situations prove that moderate/managed angling even during the spawn will not have a significant detrimental impact. To determine this simply compare one state that has a season with another that doesn't. Say Wisconsin/Michigan vs Illinois or NY vs any of those neighboring states. There is no marked decrease in fish populations in the states that do not have a season vs those that do.
Quinte bass reply :
QuoteQuoteThere are also concerns that catch-and-release fishing of nesting bass can
impair reproductive success and subsequent recruitment .
Sounds like it's just based on feelings. Concerns are not the same as evidence.
QuoteRidgway and Shuter (1997) concluded that closed fishing seasons during the parental care period was a viable management option.4
Of course it's a viable management option! That's like saying the sky is blue or bass swim in the water.
The real question should be "does angling have a negative impact on overall fish populations?". Real world situations prove that moderate/managed angling even during the spawn will not have a significant detrimental impact. To determine this simply compare one state that has a season with another that doesn't. Say Wisconsin/Michigan vs Illinois or NY vs any of those neighboring states. There is no marked decrease in fish populations in the states that do not have a season vs those that do.
It may well be that the Ontario MNR are erring on the side of caution in the absence of empirical evidence to the contrary. Sounds like a good (and safe) decision to me... 8-)...until such times as their is definitive evidence to the contrary, and not simply opinion or conjecture. Seems to be a lot of that on here at this time? I don't mind waiting for my bassin given that such regulations concerning the well being and management of a fishery/species should always err on the side of caution IMHO. If that means having to wait to fish, so be it! Visiting anglers please note. Enjoy!
tyrius. reply :
QuoteIt may well be that the Ontario MNR are erring on the side of caution in the absence of empirical evidence to the contrary. Sounds like a good (and safe) decision to me... 8-)
Keep on believing. Nothing is going to convince you otherwise so I'm not going to bother.
Quinte bass reply :
QuoteQuoteIt may well be that the Ontario MNR are erring on the side of caution in the absence of empirical evidence to the contrary. Sounds like a good (and safe) decision to me... 8-)
Keep on believing. Nothing is going to convince you otherwise so I'm not going to bother.
In the absence of empirical evidence to the contrary, I am afraid so....
Having said that I appreciate your opinion even if I don't necessarily agree with all of it.
Tin reply :
If they wanted to protect fish I would have figured they would extedn the no fishing season. Most bass around here are not off beds until late May and I would assume (I know, I know) that the fish in Ontario would be a lot farther behind, even smallies.
When are fish off the beds there?
tyrius. reply :
QuoteIn the absence of empirical evidence to the contrary, I am afraid so....
Having said that I appreciate your opinion even if I don't necessarily agree with all of it.
The evidence exists if you would just do a simple search for it or if you would just post this "empirical evidence" supporting your opinion then the matter would be cleared up in no time.
Tin reply :
Aristotle vs Kant, Round 2!
Quinte bass reply :
QuoteQuoteIn the absence of empirical evidence to the contrary, I am afraid so....
Having said that I appreciate your opinion even if I don't necessarily agree with all of it.
The evidence exists if you would just do a simple search for it or if you would just post this "empirical evidence" supporting your opinion then the matter would be cleared up in no time.
I don't have empirical evidence supporting the closed season here in Ontario...and have never intimated I have. In addition I am not a Fisheries Biologist either. However I tend to accept that the MNR have more information than I (or most for that matter) to base current regulations on, than simply opinion and conjecture as is much of the 'evidence' posted on this thread.
When the MNR say it's ok to fish bass whilst spawning etc, then I will be among the first to do it, but not until. Hope that's clear.
Tim, re when smallmouth bass get off the beds in Southern Ontario here I cannot say for sure however, early July out on Lake Ontario I am told is about right depending on weather etc and some tournaments preclude fishing for them out on the lake (Ontario) till that time restricting that tournament to the Bay of Quinte..
The Tourist trade here would be delighted if the Regs were changed I am sure. It follows that they would be pressuring the Ministry accordingly in the light of any substantive evidence that may be available to change the Regs? As far as I am aware that has not happened.
Glenn reply :
Let's not get into it please. These discussions never turns out good here.
Let's move on please before it turns into a fight where we have to lock down the thread.
There are tons of threads on this forum regarding fishing during the spawn. I highly encourage y'all to use the search feature and read through them. I'm certain you will quickly learn it's a never-ending argument based (mostly) on feelings.
tyrius. reply :
Quoteit's a never-ending argument based (mostly) on feelings.
At least for one side of the argument
I do agree with you though that this topic never ends well. I've said what I wanted to say and see no point in continuing the discussion.
Quinte bass reply :
At least for one side of the argument
garland7 reply :
Sad to say, But the rules are there for us honest people. Those who fish for the love of the sport (catch and release advocate) abide. Those who don't care about the resource are the violators.
Glenn reply :
QuoteAt least for one side of the argument
If you say so.... 8-) :
Go to your room kids!
Sheesh, I hate it when I have to treat grown men like children.
bear7625 reply :
Here in northern wisconsin the lakes have been open for about a week, but the season doesn't open until May 1st. We can only fish for panfish. The thing that bothers me is that the northern part of the state is what they call "ceded territory" and can be speared by the Chippewa indians. It doesn't matter if the fishing season is open or not. We can't fish C&R, but they can spear spawning walleyes! This doesn't make any sence. >
tyrius. reply :
QuoteQuoteAt least for one side of the argument
If you say so.... 8-) :
Go to your room kids!
Sheesh, I hate it when I have to treat grown men like children.
Quinte bass reply :
RichF reply :
QuoteSad to say, But the rules are there for us honest people. Those who fish for the love of the sport (catch and release advocate) abide. Those who don't care about the resource are the violators.
I think these rules only hurt guys like us that fish for the love of the sport. Guys/gals that violate the laws i.e. keeping out of season fish or fishing without a license will do so regardless of what rules are in place. These are the real bad guys/gals. It seems as though many guys on here feel as though keeping fish during the season has less impact on the success of the fishery than catching and releasing before the season opens, which leaves me quite vexed. (And I am not talking about fishing bedding bass!)
Lund Explorer reply :
Yup, here in Michigan even the violators agree that there are two distinct seasons for bass.........
Salt & Pepper!
Hooked_On_Bass reply :
QuoteQuoteQuoteThis year we get to go a week earlier for them (June 23rd) instead of the last Saturday in June!
Out of curiosity, which FMZ opens on Wednesday, June 23? Ours is still the 4th Saturday in June.
Thanks!
You are quite correct....my mistake! :-? I was looking at an old web page (2006 - 2007) as it came up first on my web search I took it as being current...which on closer inspection I now see it is not!!! Look before you leap and all that :-[
Last Saturday in June (26th) it is....apologies for the miss-information. :-X
No worries, Quinte bass.
Though, we do get an extra month this year.
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