Keep losing BIG bass, please help!!! 2024
BassinFLNY reply :
While fishing a chugging spook I kept getting hammered. Thee fish managed to hook up, all three got off. The first jumped and got off. The 2nd and third just took off pulled drag then next thing I knew, they were off. Please help... it is driving me insane!
DINK WHISPERER reply :
I always upgrade my trebles to triple grips or owners ST-36. You mentioned they pulled drag? What line are you using? I usually use braid with top water baits with the upgraded hooks. I set my drag pretty tight. With trebles you have to keep a constant pressure on them or they will shake you off.
Sword of the Lord reply :
One of the things you do is, DO NOT let them jump, if you can help it. Keep your rod tip low and try to keep them down.
Another thing is, don't give them any slack. Keep them tight. The hookset isn't as good with treble hooks. I could be wrong, but I've personally attributed it to the hooks being smaller and not getting as deep.
You'll lose as many fish as you catch on treble hook baits until you get it down: Stay low, don't let 'em jump, keep it tight. And then even after you get it down, you'll still lose a good portion.
Also make sure they have the bait before setting. Instead of out right missing, you could be just barely catching them and thus they're easily off.
Angry John reply :
Everyone has there favorite hook and i am a huge fan of the st-41. I run them on my topwaters and it seems to get the job done for me. They are strong sharp and just keep them pinned. They have a slight inward bend which some people claim prevent good hookups but i dont ever seem to miss. Most of my top water fishing is poppers so they eat the entire bait most of the time. If your talking a big fish then i would imagine they take the entire bait in there mouth. I run 14 Berkeley xl for top waters and most of the time a fast action rod. I add the line and rod as they work as a team and your complete setup has to work for you. Is your rod loading up to keep them pinned?
BuzzHudson19c reply :
On 10/8/2017 at 7:58 AM, BassinFLNY said:The 2nd and third just took off pulled drag
What are you running for rod/reel/line?
BassinFLNY reply :
On 10/8/2017 at 8:56 AM, BuzzHudson19c said:What are you running for rod/reel/line?
Shimano ultegra 4K on 7 ft medium light spin rod, 12lb mono.
the drag was set fairly tight(not locked down). The 3rd one was the one that really pulled and was biggest when it came up and shook its head
BuzzHudson19c reply :
That's not bad. I was half expecting you to say something ridiculously light like 6lb trilene on a 6' med/light rod or something.
I'd start with what the other guys said change out your hooks and try to keep the fish down. Mono has some stretch so don't be afraid to set the hook hard either.
BassinFLNY reply :
On 10/8/2017 at 9:57 AM, BuzzHudson19c said:That's not bad. I was half expecting you to say something ridiculously light like 6lb trilene on a 6' med/light rod or something.
I'd start with what the other guys said change out your hooks and try to keep the fish down. Mono has some stretch so don't be afraid to set the hook hard either.
Okay with the spooks I'm afraid I'm going to pull it right out of there mouths. What would you guys recommend st-36 or st-41?
Angry John reply :
With top waters i dont set the hook. I reel down or feel the weight of the fish and just lean into them, By that i mean once i have contact i turn 90 degrees and let the rod load up to max and just start cranking like mad...
Mike L reply :
On 10/8/2017 at 10:14 AM, Angry John said:With top waters i dont set the hook. I reel down or feel the weight of the fish and just lean into them, By that i mean once i have contact i turn 90 degrees and let the rod load up to max and just start cranking like mad...
Ditto
Reevaluate everything. Your problem may not be that you need new hooks.
This is the best place to start
Mike
NHBull reply :
I reel set most and if the line darts for the surface, try and time the jump with a firm pull turning the fish at the last minute. This means that I am not housing the fish in. This is one reason, I have gone to high speed reels........no slack especially when they charge the boat
WRB reply :
ML spinning rod and a full size Chug 'n Spook is way to heavy (1oz) for your spinning outfit.
Change the rod to a MH 7' Mod/fast and line to 30 lb braid, no more missed hook sets.
If you ever manage to hook a big bass your changes of controlling it on a ML spinning rod is very low.
You could also use Chug 'n Spook Jr (1/2 oz) and change the line to 30 lb braid using your ML rod, still have a problem controlling a big bass.
Tom
PS, 4000 size reel that weighs 10oz you need to go with MH rod, use the ML rod with a 2000 size reel.
bigbill reply :
Losing big bass sounds like me. I been cursed ever since my PB of 10lbs was caught. I have lost probably four or more bigger bass. I can't control them. I just can't land them. There like hooking a freight train. Every time I change the rear hook on my baits I go up one size larger.
the one in my picture is 6lb 1oz. I was watching a fish tearing up the pads within my reach from shore. I casted away from the weeds to draw the fish out. It worked I landed her. As she was in my hand the action in the weeds continued. There was another bass in there. This was around early September. I hit this spot again in November just before thanksgiving. It was snowing lightly. I fished near the pads again. I could just see my money minnow doing my dying minnow twitch presentation. All of a sudden fish on. She bent my rod like it never bent before. She's a big one. The fight lasted a little while then the heart break began she spit the minnow.
i been so close to a new state record. I won't record it to the state not to report where I caught it, I don't want the place hammered.
BassinFLNY reply :
On 10/9/2017 at 4:54 AM, bigbill said:Losing big bass sounds like me. I been cursed ever since my PB of 10lbs was caught. I have lost probably four or more bigger bass. I can't control them. I just can't land them. There like hooking a freight train. Every time I change the rear hook on my baits I go up one size larger.
the one in my picture is 6lb 1oz. I was watching a fish tearing up the pads within my reach from shore. I casted away from the weeds to draw the fish out. It worked I landed her. As she was in my hand the action in the weeds continued. There was another bass in there. This was around early September. I hit this spot again in November just before thanksgiving. It was snowing lightly. I fished near the pads again. I could just see my money minnow doing my dying minnow twitch presentation. All of a sudden fish on. She bent my rod like it never bent before. She's a big one. The fight lasted a little while then the heart break began she spit the minnow.
i been so close to a new state record. I won't record it to the state not to report where I caught it, I don't want the place hammered.
Same I lost probably my pb yesterday. Same happening on Ned rigs, I got an 8 pounder on it and have lost multiple ones close to that size since
DINK WHISPERER reply :
On 10/8/2017 at 10:12 AM, BassinFLNY said:Okay with the spooks I'm afraid I'm going to pull it right out of there mouths. What would you guys recommend st-36 or st-41?
The st-41 is a great hook but it's a 2x strong. Which means it weighs more and can affect topwater baits.
Angry John reply :
I don't seem to have any weight issues with the st-41 bUT if you are also going to upsize it may become an issue. Each lure may be diffrent in how they react to hook changes.
BassB8Caster reply :
Didnt notice if anyone mentioned it, but possibly setting the hook a little too early? With topwater, or really any lure we can see get bit, we may get over anxious and set too early, hooking the out side of the mouth or a spot tjat is easily shook loose when she jumps. I know im guilty of it way too often. Would think we would learn the more we fish. Just get so excited. Def want some backbone in the rod for topwater hooksets
WRB reply :
Premium hooks will not help the op's problem, wrong rod for the lure weight.
Tom
BassB8Caster reply :
A little of topic but on topic....i have 2 baitcaster combos. First ever is a black max with vengeance mh rod. Second is a lews laser speed spool with laser stick (i think) mh rod, $99 combo. I have gotten by fine for 2.5 years. Have 30lb braid on the lews and 12lb mono on the abu setup. I have lost some good fish on the abu set up where i just didnt get a good hookset, even though i felt i set it pretty hard. For the heck of it i decided to respool both. However this time i out the braid on the abu and mono on the lews. What a WORLD of difference. I liked the lews rod previously with the braid set up. But by switching line, the braid gave the abu rod a little more strength and mono on the lews was better as the rod has more backbone (although both are mh). Goes to show that your rod makes a huge difference. Just because company A says mh rod, it is not going to be the same mh as company B. Get a stouter rod and you will be a MUCH happier and successful fisherman!
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BassinFLNY reply :
The first one was maybe 5 or 6 pounds, I fought it for a while then it jumped and threw. Could that have been the result of a bad hook set?
I also look at the rod again. It's not a med. light rod, it's just medium
Fishingmickey reply :
Bass,
Here's my quick two cents. Bass when they jump and head shake with a large spook type bait with trebles can easily throw the lure because of the lure's weight being "flung around in their mouth" by the head shake. That's where keeping the line tension up and trying to keep the fish from jumping come into play. Early hook setting is or can be a real issue too! Like the one's you described that just pulled off while they were pulling drag.
Big bass didn't get big by being dumb. A lot of learning is time on the water fishing and learning to wait that extra beat before swinging on the hook set. Also with top water lures I sometimes feel it is much better to use a sweep set instead of cranking down then swinging for the fence.
Fishingmickey
WRB reply :
On 10/8/2017 at 9:47 AM, BassinFLNY said:Shimano ultegra 4K on 7 ft medium light spin rod, 12lb mono.
the drag was set fairly tight(not locked down). The 3rd one was the one that really pulled and was biggest when it came up and shook its head
What part of medium light spin rod is incorrect? Post the rod make and model number along with suggested lure weight range and line lb test. Your lure, if you correctly identied it weighs 1 oz, has size 1 treble hooks, is big top water lure. Your 4000 reel is more appropriate for inshore spinning rods, but a good choice for 12 lb mono. Your problem is the rod!
Tom
IndianaFinesse reply :
Definitely the rod, ml is way to light for chuggin spooks. Mh or maybe even heavy would be better. I'm shocked you haven't broken it yet just trying to cast a 1 ounce lure.
BassinFLNY reply :
The rod: pinnacle platinum plus im6 7'0 line wt.10-20 lb. lure wt.: 1/2 to 1 1/2 oz
doesnt say if it's a medium or not I was thinking of another 7'0 rod that's a medium
WRB reply :
On 10/10/2017 at 6:23 AM, BassinFLNY said:The rod: pinnacle platinum plus im6 7'0 line wt.10-20 lb. lure wt.: 1/2 to 1 1/2 oz
doesnt say if it's a medium or not I was thinking of another 7'0 rod that's a medium
Can't find that rod searching the Internet. There is a baitcasting rod that meets your discription except 1/4-1 oz lures, medium heavy fast. Based on the bait casting rod, your s would be rated heavy, definately not medium lite even for off shore use.
Pinnacle is a site sponsor so a few members may be familiar with your rod?
This is why not having any power rating standards gets frustrating.
I assume the hooks are hanging on splits rings and not direct to the lure hook hangers?
Changing the line to 50 lbs braid or 15 lb Big Game should help get a firmer hook set.
Sharper hooks would also help.
Tom
BassinFLNY reply :
On 10/10/2017 at 7:00 AM, WRB said:Can't find that rod searching the Internet. There is a baitcasting rod that meets your discription except 1/4-1 oz lures, medium heavy fast. Based on the bait casting rod, your s would be rated heavy, definately not medium lite even for off shore use.
Pinnacle is a site sponsor so a few members may be familiar with your rod?
This is why not having any power rating standards gets frustrating.
I assume the hooks are hanging on splits rings and not direct to the lure hook hangers?
Changing the line to 50 lbs braid or 15 lb Big Game should help get a firmer hook set.
Sharper hooks would also help.
Tom
My reel will only handle 12 lb of mono and the rod is spin rod not baitcast. Would it be heavy with the line and lure ratings it says. The hooks are on split rings. Look I look at getting a heavy baitcaster combo?
WRB reply :
On 10/10/2017 at 8:10 AM, BassinFLNY said:My reel will only handle 12 lb of mono and the rod is spin rod not baitcast. Would it be heavy with the line and lure ratings it says. The hooks are on split rings. Look I look at getting a heavy baitcaster combo?
Bait casting rod/reel is a better choice IMO, you have more control casting, more line options and stronger drags. You can use braid to help over come some limitations or set the drag using a scale 5 lbs, trust it and make make a faster reel set with firmer rod sweep.
Tom
BassinFLNY reply :
On 10/10/2017 at 8:49 AM, WRB said:Bait casting rod/reel is a better choice IMO, you have more control casting, more line options and stronger drags. You can use braid to help over come some limitations or set the drag using a scale 5 lbs, trust it and make make a faster reel set with firmer rod sweep.
Tom
Well for now is my rod fine until I can afford a new baitcast combo?
the reel ess reply :
My Chug'n Spook came with good hooks. If they won't dig into your fingernail, sharpen them. I use a 6'6" M Lightning Rod with a 7.5:1 Lew's Tournament MB reel and 15 lb mono for big topwaters. I have more expensive rods, but this one feels perfect for this application. The line and rod give enough to keep from yanking hooks out. The reel is fast enough to keep fish headed your way when you get them turned. If the fish wants to jump stick that rod in the water and keep pressure on them.
BTW, this is a really good lipless crank combo.
Further North reply :
On 10/8/2017 at 8:22 AM, Sword of the Lord said:One of the things you do is, DO NOT let them jump, if you can help it. Keep your rod tip low and try to keep them down.
Yep. Fish goes up, rod tip goes down!
...it helps if it's already down, but try to stick it in the bottom of the lake if they get airborne.
NCbassraider reply :
The rod is probably ok, not great but switch out your trebles with Gamakatsu hooks and use braid. A medium rod with flouro or mono is too much stretch and you're not pinning them properly.
WRB reply :
On 10/10/2017 at 9:27 AM, BassinFLNY said:Well for now is my rod fine until I can afford a new baitcast combo?
Yep, try the reel and hard rod sweep hook set to take up all the slack line, keep the rod upright and keep the rod load, you be OK. You can also try braid.
Tom
BassinFLNY reply :
Alright looking at budget baitcaster and rod combos, Any suggestions? One that's good for spooks?
trying to keep it around 100-130$
Catt reply :
On 10/11/2017 at 7:40 PM, BassinFLNY said:Alright looking at budget baitcaster and rod combos, Any suggestions? One that's good for spooks?
trying to keep it around 100-130$
Lew's American Hero combo $80 @ Academy
Reel smooth casting, great drag, 7.1:1 gear ratio.
Rod: 7' medium heavy fast or extra fast
A-Jay reply :
On 10/10/2017 at 6:23 AM, BassinFLNY said:The rod: pinnacle platinum plus im6 7'0 line wt.10-20 lb. lure wt.: 1/2 to 1 1/2 oz
doesnt say if it's a medium or not I was thinking of another 7'0 rod that's a medium
@BassinFLNY the below video you can see a hookset with spinning gear.
Gear includes a Med 7' rod and I'm using 15 lb braid & a 12lb mono leader. I'm throwing a 3/4 top water walking bait. The first fish is a 5lb smb that just comes up and wolf's the bait. The hookset is just a simple lift. I always change out the stock hooks to a quality Mustad triple grip treble.
Hope this helps.
A-Jay
Primus reply :
If the original poster is going to fish a spinning rod with mono I would suggest light wire hooks on his baits like the bronze Gamakatsu hooks or the new Gamakatsu TWG finnesse treble hooks if you can spend a little but more. As others have suggested do your best to keep them from jumping and keep tension on the line. The good news is your getting bites from big fish, Good look when the next one hits .
WRB reply :
You can't keep bigger bass from jumping when they are more than 30' away from you. Lowering the rod tip doesn't change angle or leverage unless the bass is close to you, keeping the line tight by reeling and rod loaded helps to keep control of the bass. By lowering the rod you can put slack in the line and that ends up in hooks being shook out.
Tom
BassinFLNY reply :
Update: just got back, I had a few explosions on the spook, only one managed to actually hit the hook which I failed to hook. I noticed that when I get a hit with this I tend to just reel, do I have to set the hook hard with this lure?
WRB reply :
On 10/19/2017 at 7:42 AM, BassinFLNY said:Update: just got back, I had a few explosions on the spook, only one managed to actually hit the hook which I failed to hook. I noticed that when I get a hit with this I tend to just reel, do I have to set the hook hard with this lure?
I use the same hook set as a crankbait except hesitate to feel the bass weight before reeling and firm rod sweep. Yes, you need to hook set!
Tom
bigbill reply :
Topwater,,,,
They tend to slap the bait first then turn and strike it. As soon as the topwater action starts watch your line for movement. If it moves do a quick sweep back hook set "quickly".
BassinFLNY reply :
On 10/21/2017 at 3:56 AM, bigbill said:Topwater,,,,
They tend to slap the bait first then turn and strike it. As soon as the topwater action starts watch your line for movement. If it moves do a quick sweep back hook set "quickly".
Okay so when they hit it let it sit and they will come back
WRB reply :
On 10/21/2017 at 7:35 AM, BassinFLNY said:Okay so when they hit it let it sit and they will come back
I don't agree with the slap concept, bass eat and kill using thier big mouth not thier tail. If a bass misses it's because they either misjudged the speed or turned away at the last second. Dead sticking a top water lure after a miss then a few twitches sometimes may get the bass to strike again. Usually it's better to continue the retreive and make another a little cast passed where the bass missed giving it another shot or follow up with a different lure.
Tom
BassinFLNY reply :
On 10/21/2017 at 10:51 AM, WRB said:I don't agree with the slap concept, bass eat and kill using thier big mouth not thier tail. If a bass misses it's because they either misjudged the speed or turned away at the last second. Dead sticking a top water lure after a miss then a few twitches sometimes may get the bass to strike again. Usually it's better to continue the retreive and make another a little cast passed where the bass missed giving it another shot or follow up with a different lure.
Tom
Idea: after missing one should I follow up with a senko or nedrig?
WRB reply :
On 10/23/2017 at 3:10 AM, BassinFLNY said:Idea: after missing one should I follow up with a senko or nedrig?
Big bass I would follow up with a full size pearl white Fluke light keel weight hook.
Tom
1978jessejames reply :
I found that using a skeet reese crank fiberglass rod helped reduced my lost bass tremendously. However I do lose them on occasion due to the slow baitcaster i use. 5:1 can burn you when they run at you. I prefer trokar trebles. Losing bass is part of fishing. Don't point at them and try to prevent slack line.
NCbassraider reply :
On 10/21/2017 at 10:51 AM, WRB said:I don't agree with the slap concept, bass eat and kill using thier big mouth not thier tail. If a bass misses it's because they either misjudged the speed or turned away at the last second. Dead sticking a top water lure after a miss then a few twitches sometimes may get the bass to strike again. Usually it's better to continue the retreive and make another a little cast passed where the bass missed giving it another shot or follow up with a different lure.
Tom
They are territorial and will tail slap when they are annoyed and not feeding. I've seen it many times in a small retention pond next to my lake that I stock. Sometimes if you keeping running a bait in the area after a tail slap they will try to eat it just because they've been angered enough.
WRB reply :
Bass aren't high enough in the animal kingdom to have emotional tempers, territorial yes.
Tom
NCbassraider reply :
On 10/24/2017 at 1:50 PM, WRB said:Bass aren't high enough in the animal kingdom to have emotional tempers, territorial yes.
Tom
I have a "pet" 6lb LMB in my retention pond that I can hand feed minnows. I've seen her attack other fish after several dominant displays like tail slaps and opening her mouth wide to show off her size.
Bucky205 reply :
Tight lines. You get slack and a fish will get rid of a lure no matter how good your rod, reel or tackle.
BassinFLNY reply :
Alright happened again fish jumped went back down and next thing I knew I was just reeling in the lure. Saw it head shake and it was big. Am I the only one that gets this heavy feeling after losing big fish?
hawgenvy reply :
I like this video of pro Aaron Martens discussing the importance of a fast gear ratio reel in keeping bass pinned during the fight. He discusses also his tactic of handling bass trying to jump. I believe this video is interesting and valuable as well as being pertinent to the discussion in this posted topic.
WRB reply :
If I remember correctly the OP is using a 4000 series spinning reel, don't know the IPT but it will be over 30".
It's become obvious the tackle can't control the bass or the OP doesn't keep reeling and the rod loaded to control these fish.
Tom
BassinFLNY reply :
Starting to think since I fish this lure salt water to, that the hooks are somewhat rusted they are not hook as good?
WRB reply :
On 11/4/2017 at 12:05 AM, BassinFLNY said:Starting to think since I fish this lure salt water to, that the hooks are somewhat rusted they are not hook as good?
Most Fresh water lures hooks are not designed (plated/coated) to survive salt water.
Change the hooks using high quality Owner STX-58 good for both salt and fresh water, size 1?
Tom
TnRiver46 reply :
I agree with @WRB, the pole is the problem. A spinny pole has no place in the world of spooks in my opinion. That being said, I have thrown them on spinning gear plenty of times and had success, it just isn't ideal. You can gain line much faster with a baitcaster. I can throw a Zara puppy a long way with a cheap baitcaster, which has to be the lightest walking bait on the planet. Even with all the best gear a bass can throw a treble hooked plug at any moment, especially a big bass. They come off your hooks because they are extremely strong and jump a lot. Keep practicing and you will get the hang of it, sometimes we can overthink the whole process. One thing I would try is Texas rig a floating worm or fluke and fish it like a spook. The odds of losing a fish on a single hook are far less than with treble hooks
BassinFLNY reply :
Sort of off topic: how when I just fish a wacky rig senko I just get dinks but with the spook I just hook up with big ones?
Nebasska reply :
For me when I get a big one I had to learn not to have fun and play with them and enjoy the ride....If you want to get a picture you need to smoke them into the boat and not get them any and I mean any slack...
scaleface reply :
I'd quit using the Chugging Spook . I havent used a walking bait in years because of all the missed strikes that comes with them .
BassinFLNY reply :
On 11/4/2017 at 7:26 PM, scaleface said:I'd quit using the Chugging Spook . I havent used a walking bait in years because of all the missed strikes that comes with them .
What are some good alternatives
scaleface reply :
On 11/5/2017 at 4:13 AM, BassinFLNY said:What are some good alternatives
Buzzbaits for one .
WRB reply :
You are getting strikes so the lure and your presentation is working. Change out the hooks and see if that resolves your problem.
R2Sea Whopper Plopper is a popular surface lure today. There areal kinds of surface lures to choose from from Black Dog Lunker Punkers to a verity of Spooks, Sammy's and Vizen or Repoman. The Jackall Pompadeur is another big bass surface lure. Most of these lures are pricey and don't match up with your spinning tackle.
Tom
BassinFLNY reply :
Resurrecting the thread: how would the Lewis laser be for the chugging spook? It is a 6'10 Mh rod, the reel has a 7.1:1 gear ratio only a 100$
I can also also get it as a 7'0 rod with a 6.4:1 ratio
BassinFLNY reply :
Also looking at the Mach slp combo
Sifuedition reply :
On 11/28/2017 at 6:28 AM, BassinFLNY said:Resurrecting the thread: how would the Lewis laser be for the chugging spook? It is a 6'10 Mh rod, the reel has a 7.1:1 gear ratio only a 100$
I can also also get it as a 7'0 rod with a 6.4:1 ratio
Should be fine. That combo is a decent quality for entry level baitcasting. My personal preference would be the 7.1:1.
I recently decided to test using a left-handed retrieve and made a cheap combo in a local sporting goods store.
Abu Garcia Black Max ~$40
https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/abu-garcia-black-max-3-low-profile-baitcast-reel#repChildCatSku=106268312
All Star Classics ~$38-50
https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/abu-garcia-black-max-3-low-profile-baitcast-reel#repChildCatSku=106268312
This has surprised me with how well it fishes. Casts really well with 15 lb Yo-Zuri hybrid line. I'm not saying this combo is any better than the Lews, just saying there are options.
BassinFLNY reply :
On 12/4/2017 at 9:30 AM, Sifuedition said:Should be fine. That combo is a decent quality for entry level baitcasting. My personal preference would be the 7.1:1.
I recently decided to test using a left-handed retrieve and made a cheap combo in a local sporting goods store.
Abu Garcia Black Max ~$40
https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/abu-garcia-black-max-3-low-profile-baitcast-reel#repChildCatSku=106268312
All Star Classics ~$38-50
https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/abu-garcia-black-max-3-low-profile-baitcast-reel#repChildCatSku=106268312
This has surprised me with how well it fishes. Casts really well with 15 lb Yo-Zuri hybrid line. I'm not saying this combo is any better than the Lews, just saying there are options.
I ended up ordering the lews Mach 1 combo, the reel has a 7.1:1 ratio. I also want to use it in Saltwater, how would you guys recommend cleaning it for after Saltwater.
Catt reply :
On 12/11/2017 at 11:13 PM, BassinFLNY said:I ended up ordering the lews Mach 1 combo, the reel has a 7.1:1 ratio. I also want to use it in Saltwater, how would you guys recommend cleaning it for after Saltwater.
Sweet combo ????
After using my Calcutta is saltwater; remove all line, thoroughly clean with warm water, completely dry, & lube worm gear.
I do occasionally open it up to check for water but it's hard for water to get in a Calcutta.
I do a deep cleaning & lube at least 4 times a year!
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