spro frogs 2024

Kingbass43 reply :

so i was gonna get one of these fros and i wanted to kno how they were and how the performed and what color i should probably get it in if i do get one cause ive heard there are some colored frogs better than others but anyways ive just heard a mixed ammount of reviews!

thanks

mike304 reply :

great frogs. If I was going to buy just one I'd start with either natural frog or black

Shimmer reply :

Black or White are the most commonly used colors I believe.

NOVA Angler reply :

I have had good success with White/Black. It's black on the bottom and white on top with white and black strands. I prefer the Spo Jr. as the plastic seems softer and my hookups are better. I would think that whtie and black would be the two main colors you would want to have.

Kingbass43 reply :

wow the jr looks nice i love that black and blue!

FishDontLikeMe1301600221 reply :

the best...WHITE,white and black (i beleive its called phantom),ive had great luck with the baby duck,and then the natural and yellow/white one.

endless reply :

i have the spro bronzeye frog65 (leopard) the belly is white with the black loepard pattern and an faded orange stripe in center of belly.

first time i used one last weekend, actually first time frogging and caught a lil guy. i want to get some more maybe even the popping spro but im not sure if out havent seen it yet. but hey their great. havent tried mad maxx yet.

Kingbass43 reply :

thats awesome is there anything certain i HAVE to fish it with i have the spinning rell but wat about the line i heard its gotte be big i think the most i have is 15 pound test ive heard it has to be 20 or 60 or somethi around there

Gangley reply :

depends on what you are fishing it around. I prefer 30 Power Pro Braid when using a frog because I am generally around lilly pads, weeds, and brush. If you have minimal greenery in teh area, your line should be fine, but if you have a lot of vegetation, go 20 lb mono or flouo as a minimum.

endless reply :

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thats awesome is there anything certain i HAVE to fish it with i have the spinning rell but wat about the line i heard its gotte be big i think the most i have is 15 pound test ive heard it has to be 20 or 60 or somethi around there

that im not sure. im using the pro qualifier baitcaster combo my rod 6'6 mh. lined with 30 lb excel braid.

EastMarkME reply :

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with i have the spinning rell but wat about the line i heard its gotte be big i think the most i have is 15 pound test ive heard it has to be 20 or 60 or somethi around there

Good thing there arent spelling police here. You'ld be locked up.

Im bad but that post needs an ambulance.

Mark

Dan: reply :

I honestly don't think the color matters all that much. It looks pretty much the same from below anyway, IMO. I fish hollow bodied frogs in slop with thick vegetation and/or lily pads so I fish it on 50lb braid.

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with i have the spinning rell but wat about the line i heard its gotte be big i think the most i have is 15 pound test ive heard it has to be 20 or 60 or somethi around there

Good thing there arent spelling police here. You'ld be locked up.

Im bad but that post needs an ambulance.

Mark

haha yea.

endless reply :

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with i have the spinning rell but wat about the line i heard its gotte be big i think the most i have is 15 pound test ive heard it has to be 20 or 60 or somethi around there

Good thing there arent spelling police here. You'ld be locked up.

Im bad but that post needs an ambulance.

Mark

its best to lead me to nearest station. im known to miss spell though i really been putting spell check to work i just dont use many periods. alot of unneeded comas with explanation marks.

Quitlimpin reply :

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thats awesome is there anything certain i HAVE to fish it with i have the spinning rell but wat about the line i heard its gotte be big i think the most i have is 15 pound test ive heard it has to be 20 or 60 or somethi around there

Spro Frog on spinning rig=potential(likely) heartbreak. I toss mine on a H/F flipping stick with 65lb braid.

Kingbass43 reply :

ah ok but why so heavy i mean sure there are big fish in lakes and weeds could get on but isnt this frog weedless?

Dan: reply :

It's not weedless when a fish bites it and takes it down into the lily pad roots. Lily pad roots have 18.2lb breaking points. If the fish wraps you around 2 roots... :-X

Frog Turds reply :

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ah ok but why so heavy i mean sure there are big fish in lakes and weeds could get on but isnt this frog weedless?

as mentioned whether pads or weeds...bass will bury themselves into them and you will lose alot of fish because you don't have the backbone with both rod & line to muscle them out...hense the need for heavy artillery...

imo the minimum for froggin in the trenches, where you typically use frogs...you need around a 7' medium heavy fast action rod or heavy with atleast 30# braid on a baitcast...I use 50# power pro myself...which handles much better all the way around than the 30#...otherwise anything less than...you will only find disappointment

EastMarkME reply :

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with i have the spinning rell but wat about the line i heard its gotte be big i think the most i have is 15 pound test ive heard it has to be 20 or 60 or somethi around there

Good thing there arent spelling police here. You'ld be locked up.

Im bad but that post needs an ambulance.

Mark

its best to lead me to nearest station. im known to miss spell though i really been putting spell check to work i just dont use many periods. alot of unneeded comas with explanation marks.

Its all good. I was just goofing on it. I have my days...believe me.

LOL

Mark

NewAngler reply :

Great f-ing post! I was gonna start a frog thread tonight.

Not gonna stealk the thread, but quick question- I goitta snag proof frog, its weighted (donno the weight) and bright green. Anyone seen this? Any good?

Koop reply :

Midnight walker (black), Albino (white), Natural Green and Black Putty are my top 4 producing hollow belly spro BE 65 colors.

I throw 50# braid minimum when frogging, that is only because the pads and veg are not as thick in my area as some others. Some places I spool 65# braid when going to fish there.

Now braid has a smaller diameter than its equivalent in mono just fyi encase you didn't know that.

I have a friend who throws frogs with 15# Fluro and 30# braid on spinning setups. Just dont be upset if you get broken off. I wouldn't throw spro's on that set up... to expensive but if I had to, throwing zoom horny toads wouldn't be bad.

I actually prefer horny toads to spro, they are my go to frog bait, and if you get broken off your not out a $10 bait rather 1 out of a 5 pack of $3.25.

EastMarkME reply :

I have a rod in the wings and am waiting on a reel to set up just for frogs/heavy cover/jigs. Whats everyones preference for line ?

Whats the best frog ?

I see a few opinions so far. Any others ?

Mark

Koop reply :

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I have a rod in the wings and am waiting on a reel to set up just for frogs/heavy cover/jigs. Whats everyones preference for line ?
Whats the best frog ?

I see a few opinions so far. Any others ?

Mark

As stated above, my favorites / preferences:

Line: 30-65# fireline braid (area/vegitation dependent)

Frogs: Zoom Horny Toads in White/Black/Black blue legs and the discontinued Chartreuse that I am now forced to make home made by dipping the white ones in chartreuse JJ's Magic.

DINK WHISPERER reply :

Spro and Rage Tail frogs/toads are by far the best imo! No other frog in their class performs as well! I always throw mine on 65lb FireLine braid and a H/F or better rod. Froggin excels in the slop and that is no place for sissy gear imo!!!

NOVA Angler reply :

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ah ok but why so heavy i mean sure there are big fish in lakes and weeds could get on but isnt this frog weedless?

Vegetation isn't the only reason to use braid. It doesn't stretch like mono and flouro so hooksets are much better, especially on long casts. With that said, I'm usually tossing frogs over milfoil, hydrilla, and pads so I use 50lb. Power Pro. I would also recommend Berkley Fireline Braid.

Kingbass43 reply :

Ok thats guys and thanks for just tellin me i know somewhere i would be chewed out by now haha and i do need new line the 10 pound i use is cheap and no good i have some 15 pound but i think ill get some 20-30 pound line when i go to academy sports tonight or tomorrow!

ChiCityBasser reply :

I have a couple of the Spro JR in the Black/Yellow, Brown and the green and yellow. I'm fishing them on a 6'6" XML MH with 30# Fireline Smoke.

I keep having trouble getting hook ups though. Last time out I actually watch the fish take it on a meduim retrieve and take it under and felt the weight of the fish but when I set the hook I just got my lure back.

Should I have waited longer or did I wait too long?

(not trying to jack the thread but its the same frog)

Dan: reply :

When the fish strikes, I give it a 1...2 SWING! You need to hit them hard enough to compress the bait. Also make sure the frog doesn't have any water in it, that will make compression more difficult.

ChiCityBasser reply :

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When the fish strikes, I give it a 1...2 SWING! You need to hit them hard enough to compress the bait. Also make sure the frog doesn't have any water in it, that will make compression more difficult.

Thanks Dan and yeah it did have water in it so I'll have to make sure it doesn't when I'm out with it next time.

CWB reply :

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I honestly don't think the color matters all that much. It looks pretty much the same from below anyway, IMO. I fish hollow bodied frogs in slop with thick vegetation and/or lily pads so I fish it on 50lb braid.

X2 Right on the head for me. I've caught fish on every color frog I own and have not found one to be better than the other. I throw them into the nastiest stuff I can find and the fish probably just feels the commotion and sees the trail. I use Snagproof Bobby's Perfect in the heavy stuff and ScumFrog Trophy in lighter stuff. I feel Spro's are too stiff. JMHO. Scumfrogs are a great alternative and cost $3.00 less. Very soft though and will snag up if you are fishing in reeds or other emergent vegetation.

NOVA Angler reply :

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I honestly don't think the color matters all that much. It looks pretty much the same from below anyway, IMO. I fish hollow bodied frogs in slop with thick vegetation and/or lily pads so I fish it on 50lb braid.

X2 Right on the head for me. I've caught fish on every color frog I own and have not found one to be better than the other. I throw them into the nastiest stuff I can find and the fish probably just feels the commotion and sees the trail. I use Snagproof Bobby's Perfect in the heavy stuff and ScumFrog Trophy in lighter stuff. I feel Spro's are too stiff. JMHO. Scumfrogs are a great alternative and cost $3.00 less. Very soft though and will snag up if you are fishing in reeds or other emergent vegetation.

Give the Spro Jr. a try. I haven't noticed any difference in the quality of fish I catch and the body is much softer making hookups much better. A buddy of mine gave me another tip for increasing hookups....upgrade the size of the hooks. I think the standards Spros have 4/0 hooks that you can upgrade to 6/0 Owners and the Jrs have 3/0 that you can upgrade to 4/0. I ordered some 6/0 to try out so I'll report back after I've had the chance to use them.

Kingbass43 reply :

alrighty im not sure what to do yet haha

iceintheveins reply :

I like the spro jr. in natural green frog. I throw it on 50 pound power pro.

Kingbass43 reply :

Haha thanks guys and what about the spro popper is it any good?

7mm-08 reply :

Absolutely, the popper is great.

ChiCityBasser reply :

I have the spro popper and the lure pretty much is like any other topwater popper style bait, I've only had it on the water once but no success with it so far.

Sam reply :

Depends on where you are fishing.

Leopard and white are productive.

Get one and give it a try.

CWB reply :

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I honestly don't think the color matters all that much. It looks pretty much the same from below anyway, IMO. I fish hollow bodied frogs in slop with thick vegetation and/or lily pads so I fish it on 50lb braid.

X2 Right on the head for me. I've caught fish on every color frog I own and have not found one to be better than the other. I throw them into the nastiest stuff I can find and the fish probably just feels the commotion and sees the trail. I use Snagproof Bobby's Perfect in the heavy stuff and ScumFrog Trophy in lighter stuff. I feel Spro's are too stiff. JMHO. Scumfrogs are a great alternative and cost $3.00 less. Very soft though and will snag up if you are fishing in reeds or other emergent vegetation.

Give the Spro Jr. a try. I haven't noticed any difference in the quality of fish I catch and the body is much softer making hookups much better. A buddy of mine gave me another tip for increasing hookups....upgrade the size of the hooks. I think the standards Spros have 4/0 hooks that you can upgrade to 6/0 Owners and the Jrs have 3/0 that you can upgrade to 4/0. I ordered some 6/0 to try out so I'll report back after I've had the chance to use them.

Honestly, I don't see the point of paying more for a bait and then taking the time and expense to change out the hooks. JMHO. To each his own. I do own and use Spro's, I just prefer the Snagproof and Scumfrog.

Kingbass43 reply :

I GOT IT i got the spro jr in natural green i think green with the brown i think i may get the popper tomorrow haha thanks for all the help

FishDontLikeMe1301600221 reply :

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I GOT IT i got the spro jr in natural green i think green with the brown i think i may get the popper tomorrow haha thanks for all the help

poppers is great..if you go pick it up also grab some worm or tube rattles and stuff some of them in the popper....works great!!!!!

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I GOT IT i got the spro jr in natural green i think green with the brown i think i may get the popper tomorrow haha thanks for all the help

poppers is great..if you go pick it up also grab some worm or tube rattles and stuff some of them in the popper....works great!!!!!

Got a noticeable increase in strikes on my poppers when I added rattles.

NOVA Angler reply :

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I honestly don't think the color matters all that much. It looks pretty much the same from below anyway, IMO. I fish hollow bodied frogs in slop with thick vegetation and/or lily pads so I fish it on 50lb braid.

X2 Right on the head for me. I've caught fish on every color frog I own and have not found one to be better than the other. I throw them into the nastiest stuff I can find and the fish probably just feels the commotion and sees the trail. I use Snagproof Bobby's Perfect in the heavy stuff and ScumFrog Trophy in lighter stuff. I feel Spro's are too stiff. JMHO. Scumfrogs are a great alternative and cost $3.00 less. Very soft though and will snag up if you are fishing in reeds or other emergent vegetation.

Give the Spro Jr. a try. I haven't noticed any difference in the quality of fish I catch and the body is much softer making hookups much better. A buddy of mine gave me another tip for increasing hookups....upgrade the size of the hooks. I think the standards Spros have 4/0 hooks that you can upgrade to 6/0 Owners and the Jrs have 3/0 that you can upgrade to 4/0. I ordered some 6/0 to try out so I'll report back after I've had the chance to use them.

Honestly, I don't see the point of paying more for a bait and then taking the time and expense to change out the hooks. JMHO. To each his own. I do own and use Spro's, I just prefer the Snagproof and Scumfrog.

Most of the guys in here change out the treble hooks on their crankbaits. If the hookups are better, that's plenty enough reason for me. I don't lose many fish on the Spro Jr so I'm not sure that it's necessary, but I don't think it will hurt anything either. The regular size Spro is a different story, the plastic is too stiff IMO. I have also fished the Snagproof Bobby's Perfect Frog and still prefer the standard size Spro over it. The Snagproof sank on every cast, but who knows, maybe I got a bad one.

Kingbass43 reply :

I love this think i need to probably trim the legs a little how much should i trim them? great now its my rod thats messed up it keeps getting caught on somethin on the reel i was fishing tonight and i spent the whole time cutting line cause i couldnt untie ithttp://www.bassresource.com/fishing-forum/Templates/Forum/default/cool.gif

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I love this think i need to probably trim the legs a little how much should i trim them? great now its my rod thats messed up it keeps getting caught on somethin on the reel i was fishing tonight and i spent the whole time cutting line cause i couldnt untie ithttp://www.bassresource.com/fishing-forum/Templates/Forum/default/cool.gif

ima get the popper this weekend. i went out this morning round 9:00 in the morning due to rain i didnt have to work. caught three on my leopard spro. alot of hits couple i tried to set to soon and one got off from wrapping me up.

Big Bait Fishing reply :

you asked about other frogs to try , try CANYON PLASTICS 4.5'' frog , they cast VERY far , can fish them slow or fast , they slowly sink and cause they have a pointy nose , you can jerk them like a fluke and they dart around then glide . i've been killing them lately on these , i used to use them a few years ago but couldn't find any more locally ( didn't have the computer yet ) but now a semi-local tackle shop stocks them so every time i go to the seminars they have each month ( this month Randy McAbee form team Dobyns is speaking about crankbaits ) at this shop , i buy 4-5 bags !!!

the link -http://www.***.com/descpageFROGSCP-CPF.html

Blues19 reply :

im in a tournament soon and plan on throwing the spros, love them, but this is really the first time im ever gonna be fishing Lily Pads. I have Yo Zuri Hybrid 20lb test line on my reel, do you think I should go up to 25 or 30 pound? I am afraid to throw braid cause i still birds nest quite a bit and cant afford the mess and time in this tournament. Thanks all

iceintheveins reply :

I like the spro frogs but they tend to take in some water, so I am putting caulk and gorilla glue over the hook hole and then cutting a small slit in the top as per someone suggested on this forum.

endless reply :

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im in a tournament soon and plan on throwing the spros, love them, but this is really the first time im ever gonna be fishing Lily Pads. I have Yo Zuri Hybrid 20lb test line on my reel, do you think I should go up to 25 or 30 pound? I am afraid to throw braid cause i still birds nest quite a bit and cant afford the mess and time in this tournament. Thanks all

to me if using a smaller version of baitcaster 30 lb mono may be to big of diameter. i use 30 lb on my big boys. i would just go ahead and get the braid and work the adjustments till you get the feel for it. and braid seems to come out from bird nesting very easy so far for me at least.

Koop reply :

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im in a tournament soon and plan on throwing the spros, love them, but this is really the first time im ever gonna be fishing Lily Pads. I have Yo Zuri Hybrid 20lb test line on my reel, do you think I should go up to 25 or 30 pound? I am afraid to throw braid cause i still birds nest quite a bit and cant afford the mess and time in this tournament. Thanks all

If you are fishing pads, you want 65# braid. No questions asked no exceptions.

Tighten the tension knob or something... I don't really see what the difference is between birds nesting with braid or with mono, takes equal effort to get it out.

Shouldn't be fishing a tournament with gear your not comfortable and confident in.

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im in a tournament soon and plan on throwing the spros, love them, but this is really the first time im ever gonna be fishing Lily Pads. I have Yo Zuri Hybrid 20lb test line on my reel, do you think I should go up to 25 or 30 pound? I am afraid to throw braid cause i still birds nest quite a bit and cant afford the mess and time in this tournament. Thanks all

If you are fishing pads, you want 65# braid. No questions asked no exceptions.

I don't agree with that. It's not going to be optimal, but you could get away with 20lb Hybrid, just make sure you get the fish to the surface as quick as possible.

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im in a tournament soon and plan on throwing the spros, love them, but this is really the first time im ever gonna be fishing Lily Pads. I have Yo Zuri Hybrid 20lb test line on my reel, do you think I should go up to 25 or 30 pound? I am afraid to throw braid cause i still birds nest quite a bit and cant afford the mess and time in this tournament. Thanks all

If you are fishing pads, you want 65# braid. No questions asked no exceptions.

I don't agree with that. It's not going to be optimal, but you could get away with 20lb Hybrid, just make sure you get the fish to the surface as quick as possible.

Well, the break point of a lilly stem is around 16-18# if I remember correctly, get a 4-5# fish on there wrapped around 1 stem and your in trouble. Not to mention if he dives and gets around 2 stems or add in the slop...

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree Dan, The 20lb hybrid may be sufficient for recreational angling, but in a tournament situation there is no way I would touch it fishing frogs.

CWB reply :

I'm going to nip this feud in the bud.

I agree with Dan and Koopa. I use 50lb Power Pro for my frog fishing now but I used to use 17lb Trilene XT and never had a breakoff. If I had one hang me up, I'd go in and get him. Literally. Once I could not reach down to the fish so I jumped in and came out wit a fat 4 pounder.

The key is as Dan said, get his head up and keep him coming.

I throw the Rage Shad, my new favorite bait, on 17 lb. Trilene Big Game and have had no problems. I seem to get longer casts with the lighter Shads than with braid.

Dan: reply :

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I'm going to nip this feud in the bud.
I agree with Dan and Koopa. I use 50lb Power Pro for my frog fishing now but I used to use 17lb Trilene XT and never had a breakoff. If I had one hang me up, I'd go in and get him. Literally. Once I could not reach down to the fish so I jumped in and came out wit a fat 4 pounder.

The key is as Dan said, get his head up and keep him coming.

I throw the Rage Shad, my new favorite bait, on 17 lb. Trilene Big Game and have had no problems. I seem to get longer casts with the lighter Shads than with braid.

Exactly. Before I had a dedicated jig/frog rod I fished frogs with 15lb Hybrid (breaking strength around 20lb) and I never once lost a fish. Now I have more rods so I put 50lb braid on that rod and made it my jig and frog rod. I feel more confident now with the heavy braid but it's entirely possible to fish frogs on heavy mono.

iceintheveins reply :

I've literally jumped in after a bass but that was after a 3 pounder buried me in weeds with 8 pound test.

iceintheveins reply :

If I have to go to line stronger than 14 pound test I use braid because you get the strength without extra diameter and you can cast further. I think braid doesn't backlash as bad as mono does. If you get a knot though you are screwed.

iceintheveins reply :

Thick braid is the way to go for regular frogs. In really clear water use a 20 pound clear mono leader. Don't use fluoro as a leader for any topwaters because it sinks.

endless reply :

you can forget me jumping in the fish aint worth lol. not from the bowfins, pickerels, and that 3 foot snapping turtle i done caught, that's enough to keep me out their waters. god im afraid to know what else is in there. maybe another champ??

tnbassfisher reply :

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im in a tournament soon and plan on throwing the spros, love them, but this is really the first time im ever gonna be fishing Lily Pads. I have Yo Zuri Hybrid 20lb test line on my reel, do you think I should go up to 25 or 30 pound? I am afraid to throw braid cause i still birds nest quite a bit and cant afford the mess and time in this tournament. Thanks all

When getting birds nest you are going to do it with braid the exact same as you are with Mono, so I would go with the braid.

scaledriver reply :

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I like the spro frogs but they tend to take in some water, so I am putting caulk and gorilla glue over the hook hole and then cutting a small slit in the top as per someone suggested on this forum.

I have thought about trying something like that. However I have noticed a lot of times when I catch fish with the Spro the body has compressed and exposed more of the hook. It seemed that essentially the body compresses turning and getting out of the way of the hook. If you try the caulk/gorilla glue trick can ya give some updates how it works out for ya?

Frog Turds reply :

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I am afraid to throw braid cause i still birds nest quite a bit and cant afford the mess and time in this tournament. Thanks all

i have 50# power pro on my curado...and i can attest that with the heavier braid, it actually minimizes the backlashes in general & when ya do get them...because of the larger diameter briad...they are easier to get out...

when in doubt turn your tension on alot more, then slowly back off each cast in tiny tiny increments...and you'll find the sweet spot...every lure i put on, tension gets adjusted accordingly...

if i had a dedicated frog & jig pole...i would go with what koopa recommended with using 65#...but my current pole is a multitasker...so the 50# for my uses is just fine for now...but it does handle much better on my reel vs the 30# i originally spooled on it...

Blues19 reply :

You all are making me think that maybe I should go braid. I have just heard before that braid is nearly impossible to get out if you get a backlash. I plan on using this rod for jigs and frogs in the tournament, so what line do you think i should look at getting? Im gonna try to go out before the tournament and practice if i do end up with braid. This is the biggest tournament I will maybe ever be in, so I need to be very confident. Any suggestions of baits to flip to the pads on other rods? YOu guys are very helpful, thanks!!!!!!

DINK WHISPERER reply :

Simple solution, don't get a back lash, LOL! I actually think the opposite of braid. It is much easier to Pick a backlash out with it! Braid is all i use for frogs in or near vegetation. I would pitch ribbon tail worms and craw lures with the smallest weight you can get away with. I have found that targeting isolated clumps of pads near main fields produce bigger fish. If the water is dark use scents and rattles and slow down the retrieve.

endless reply :

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You all are making me think that maybe I should go braid. I have just heard before that braid is nearly impossible to get out if you get a backlash. I plan on using this rod for jigs and frogs in the tournament, so what line do you think i should look at getting? Im gonna try to go out before the tournament and practice if i do end up with braid. This is the biggest tournament I will maybe ever be in, so I need to be very confident. Any suggestions of baits to flip to the pads on other rods? YOu guys are very helpful, thanks!!!!!!

that im not sure but a guy told me throw a big sticko in the pads so ima give it a shot tomorrow mine is 7 1/8 i think. .

i just got me a depth finder put on the jon boat so in the morning hit the pads with frogs and stickos than go deep when heat hits (post to be 100 degrees) and seen if can learn the structures and find the bigger boys.i got everything i need for carolina rigging. i will betrying the anacondas out got the big and small size. i might toss a few jigs too.

but yea try the briad it shouldnt take long to figure out. just keep adjusting it till it feels right to you.

Frog Turds reply :

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You all are making me think that maybe I should go braid. I have just heard before that braid is nearly impossible to get out if you get a backlash. I plan on using this rod for jigs and frogs in the tournament, so what line do you think i should look at getting? thanks!!!!!!

probably too late to reply...but with the light weight braids, sure like anything they will/can get in tight surgical type knots due to the ultra thin diameter...but get yourself the 65# as koopa suggested for your dedicated froggin pole, no less than 50#...it handles excellent!!...as mentioned, its actually a piece of cake to get out backlashes when you do get them compared...i use power pro myself...

you'll understand once you do get into the heavy braids

good luck in your tourny man!!

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