rather have a squarebill or lipless when fishing wood? And why/ 2024
IneedAnewScreenName-33448 reply :
i perfer a squarebill because i get the delfection of the bill>
Hurricane reply :
Squarebill. For the same reason..
Catt reply :
Need a button for both. 
Why?
Cause the bass like both!
Raul reply :
Big bad dudes don't know how to manuever a lipless crank through wood.
Senko lover reply :
lol I have trouble with regular squarebills in cover, don't even mention liplesses. Need to work on my cover cranking.....
NJSalt reply :
squarebill no question for me
thebillsman reply :
A squarebill will be able to float it's way out of trouble and of course has a bill that can at least deflect the bait to avoid hang ups.
Nicholas reply :
I dont have much of a reason, just prefer lipless
A-Jay reply :
When launching into the Lumber, Sometimes the squarebill ends up Lipless . . . . I hate that.
A-Jay
IneedAnewScreenName-33448 reply :
On 1/28/2016 at 10:42 AM, Catt said:Need a button for both.
Why?
Cause the bass like both!
i did add both
carnegie519 reply :
I prefer lipless but a square bill will deflect better
wisconsin heat reply :
Definitely a squarebill, because it floats. If I backlash a tiny bit, or misplace a cast by a few feet a lipless crank can sink and get itself stuck before I can even start to work it over the cover.
Fishes in trees reply :
Believe it or don't, but there are different kinds of wood/brush. Vertical, rooted in the bottom with nearly all the side branches gone? Vertical, rooted in the bottom with large or small side branches intact? Laydowns from the bank? Laydowns that used to be on the bank and now that the lake has gone through several rising and falling cycles it now resides in the middle of the lake? Brush? Thin brush - heavy brush - thorny brush? This stuff occurs in various combinations as well.
If you're going to fish wood, I'd recommend carrying one ( or more than one)of each. While you are at it, might as well have a spinnerbait tied on, probably a chatter bait also. A wood/vegetation combo, maybe a swim jig is in order. . . . . and so it goes.
This begin given, when I start to fish around wood and I've determined that I'm going to fish a reaction bait as opposed to some plastic/jig bait, I start with a Timber Tiger that is appropriate to the depth. Most of the time that means a DC8. Nearly all the time I also have a DC13 and a DC4 tied on. If you've never fished Timber Tigers, they come through wood and brush better than any other square bill I've encountered.
BaitMonkey1984 reply :
To be completely honest I have never even thought about throwing a lips into the wood. However, I do recall watching a lure modification video or two where the front treble hook was removed to make it more snag proof. I have more lipless cranks then I know what to do with, so this spring I think I will try throwing them in the heavy stuff and seeing what they can pull out.
Catt reply :
Right now we are in the early stages of pre-spawn & I will be ricocheting Traps off of standing timber!
Racerx reply :
Ironically, the last squarebill I got, I found buried into the side of a floating laydown. KVD 2.5. Fortunately, I had 30 lb. braid on one of my rods, so I casted till I snagged it, then horsed the whole d**n tree to the shore. A little clean-up and she's back in the game.
scaleface reply :
I'm going with square bills but there was a time the Pico Perch was my go to standing timber lure . White with blue eyes .
Paul Roberts reply :
On 1/28/2016 at 10:46 AM, Raul said:Big bad dudes don't know how to manuever a lipless crank through wood.
On 1/28/2016 at 1:11 PM, Catt said:Right now we are in the early stages of pre-spawn & I will be ricocheting Traps off of standing timber!
Would you guys describe how you fish lipless in wood? I'm paranoid around wood with a lipless.
Catt reply :
Bill Lewis designed the Rat-L-Trap for fishing the standing timber on Toledo Bend. It's nose down attitude allows the top of the Trap to hit first causing it to ricochet off.
I simply guide my Trap with the rod tip on a path the leads it to ricochet off the stump with a glancing blow.
Do I occasionally hang?
Why certainly but no more than any other exposed hook lure. The key with any crank in "wood" is DO NOT SET HOOK!
Paul Roberts reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 2:46 AM, Catt said:The key with any crank in "wood" is DO NOT SET HOOK!
Bingo.
That said, and going back to the OP: I find fat plugs fish through cover of any type better than thin ones, lipless esp. The more complex (branches, twigs and such) the less apt I am to throw a lipless.
Catt reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 3:11 AM, Paul Roberts said:Bingo.
That said, and going back to the OP: I find fat plugs fish through cover of any type better than thin ones, lipless esp. The more complex (branches, twigs and such) the less apt I am to throw a lipless.
I ain't talking limbs, branches, or brush!
I talking standing timber, ya know stumps!
When Bill invented the Trap the trees on Toledo not only had branches but the branches had leaves!
A-Jay reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 2:46 AM, Catt said:Bill Lewis designed the Rat-L-Trap for fishing the standing timber on Toledo Bend. It's nose down attitude allows the top of the Trap to hit first causing it to ricochet off.
I simply guide my Trap with the rod tip on a path the leads it to ricochet off the stump with a glancing blow.
Do I occasionally hang?
Why certainly but no more than any other exposed hook lure. The key with any crank in "wood" is DO NOT SET HOOK!
On 1/29/2016 at 3:11 AM, Paul Roberts said:Bingo.
That said, and going back to the OP: I find fat plugs fish through cover of any type better than thin ones, lipless esp. The more complex (branches, twigs and such) the less apt I am to throw a lipless.
Tip ~ By removing the front treble and split ring and replace them with a Gamakatsu EWG Dbl Frog Hooks (or the double hook of your choice) you may increase the baits ability to come through this stuff a bit. The back treble could also be replaced but may not be necessary.
Important note: ensure hook points are pointing UP.
A-Jay
Paul Roberts reply :
AJ, have you tried it? Does it hook well?
Ads7633 reply :
Squarebill does deflect better, but you can learn how to use a lipless quite effectively in timber.
Catt reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 3:26 AM, A-Jay said:
Tip ~ By removing the front treble and split ring and replace them with a Gamakatsu EWG Dbl Frog Hooks (or the double hook of your choice) you may increase the baits ability to come through this stuff a bit. The back treble could also be replaced but may not be necessary.
Important note: ensure hook points are pointing UP.
A-Jay
I have friends who simply cut the front hook point off leaving two points, I don't...caught too many fish on that front hook.
tander reply :
On 1/28/2016 at 11:57 PM, scaleface said:I'm going with square bills but there was a time the Pico Perch was my go to standing timber lure . White with blue eyes .
Still have some and they still catch fish.
A-Jay reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 4:20 AM, Paul Roberts said:AJ, have you tried it? Does it hook well?
I have done this - and yes it does work, I'll say that the double hook deal seems to reduce a little in the area of fish hook up ratio the same way it reduces hang ups, Give some to get some. Also, I had to get over (and build confidence in) the fact that this type of front hook does not swing freely under the bait but instead remains quite static under the lure as it travels forward and on the drop. Still catches bass though.
A-Jay
Catt reply :
Hang ups is the reason for the 24 to 4 results.
They're afraid to put a Trap where the big girls live; oh they'll put em in grass cause they can rip em out!
Of course I could be prejudice since my personal best of 12.5 hit a Trap!
A-Jay reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 6:36 AM, Catt said:Hang ups is the reason for the 24 to 4 results.
They're afraid to put a Trap where the big girls live; oh they'll put em in grass cause they can rip em out!
Of course I could be prejudice since my personal best of 12.5 hit a Trap!
I hear ya - my 11-11 PB came on a lipless bait in Mutant Mexican Thorn bushes - no hook mod except up size up grade.
A-Jay
Raul reply :
On 1/29/2016 at 6:36 AM, Catt said:Hang ups is the reason for the 24 to 4 results.
They're afraid to put a Trap where the big girls live; oh they'll put em in grass cause they can rip em out!
Of course I could be prejudice since my personal best of 12.5 hit a Trap!
That's the difference between boyz and we, hairy chest, real macho men who hunt beeg mommas where beeg mommas wanna hang out, too afraid too loose them lures.
Bruce424 reply :
Oh definitely a squarebill. Hit the cover then let it float a second then proceed to reel. Best way to catch em.
ww2farmer reply :
Between the two, I will fish a squarebill in wood almost 100% of the time. It comes through much better, and produces, no need to toss a lipless into a laydown and risk losing it. I use lipless baits often.............just not in wood. Maybe if I had standing timber/stumps/etc......it would be an option, but 99% of the "wood" I fish is laydowns, often willow, and/or locust trees, with an occasional hard wood.
the reel ess reply :
Squarebill in the wood cover. But I usually have a lipless crank tied on anyway.
Catt reply :
Have y'all tried Bill Lewis's Echo 1.75?
Paul Roberts reply :
I've been looking at that Echo. It looks well designed -big and wide.
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