Different Results With Same Lure 2024
senile1 reply :
I was reading the Rage Tail Challenge thread started by RW in the Fishing Tackle section and I noticed that many people swear by Rage Tail Craws (that group includes me) while other's can't catch anything on them. It always intrigues me why one lure works for one person while another person can't buy a bite with it. I suspect it relates to the subtle differences in the way each of us works a particular bait and one person's set of movements works better with one lure over another. That would seem to explain why one angler kills with the Rage Craw while another kills with a Paca Craw for example. This can apply to plastic craws as in the referenced thread, crankbaits, lipless cranks, spinnerbaits, worms, and any other bait you can think of. It seems that everybody has one particular lure in a class of lures that works best for them. I suppose it could also relate to the possibility that a particular lure is more appealing to bass in a particular geographical area.
So what are your thoughts on this? Why is it that two anglers can have such different results from the same lure?
J Francho reply :
I have a harder time believing the nevers than the swearers. You can pretty much catch a bass on anything, given the right conditions. And in the right conditions, you'd have to try real hard not to get bit.
deep reply :
On 1/5/2012 at 2:18 AM, J Francho said:I have a harder time believing the nevers than the swearers.
I never caught a darn thing on Rapala lipless cranks, and I swear that's the truth!
NoBassPro reply :
I think some of it just boils down to confidence in a particular bait. I know if I'm trying something new it usually means that my tried and true techniques failed. Also, once I try a different bait or technique and it doesn't work it probably isn't going to see the water much after that either.
J Francho reply :
On 1/5/2012 at 2:23 AM, deep said:I never caught a darn thing on Rapala lipless cranks, and I swear that's the truth!
If your not throwing them where there are active fish, then no, you'll never get bit. I have a half dozen rattlin' rapalas that are probably responsible for 500 fish or more, and not just bass. I clearly recall a day when I caught brown trout as frequently as bass with them.
In some cases, I also think it's a rigging issue. When swim senkos first appeared, I rigged them weightless on a light wire hook - same way I'd rig a regular senko. Never got a bite, and couldn't really see why the tail was any better. Until I used a weighted hook, or jighead. By then, I was on to different baits though, and I still never caught on a swim senko - though I'm positive I could now. I just have no desire to.
Ratherbfishing reply :
Which lure you use is only part of the equation. There is also the matter of how you use it, when you use it, and where you use it. Additionally, it's how often you use it. I have certain lures which get a lot of use because they're what I have and also they're what I have confidence in-even though I'm sure there are other lures which could, potentially, outperform them. It doesn't take that many attempts to persuade (or disuade) me of a lures affectiveness.
.ghoti. reply :
My "jinx" bait is a rattle trap, or any other version. For me, those baits are dink magnets. I can't catch a decent sized fish on one to save my arse. I quit carrying them around. I gave "em all away, and won't be buying any more anytime soon.
J Francho reply :
Traps can be a dink magnet - but generally you find larger fish after you've fished through the smaller ones. My take is with the higher speed retrieve you catch the smaller, more aggressive fish at first. After a a few, you begin to ignite the fish or activate feeding responses in the larger fish. I caught this one after the three of us caught at least 30 fish on a single main lake point:
5bass reply :
I go through spells with a trap style bait. It's almost a yearly cycle. Two years ago I caught a pile of fish on a XR50 and it seemed like I never had to put it down. Then this past season it just wasnt working anywhere, no matter where I was. I bet I didnt catch 10% of the fish on it last year that I did 2 years ago. The Rage Craw and Baby Craw are killers and are the only craw baits I use anymore whether its texas rigged, shakyhead or as a jig trailer. My catch rates went up for whatever reason once I started using them. My fishing partner can't get bit on a Rage product to save his life. We talked about it and didnt come to a solid conclusion on whats happening or why.
redboat reply :
I think most baits have a way to fish them that works and if you don't use that particular method or "trick" you won't catch anything. Case in point: I fished crankbaits and spinners for many years and never caught a thing before I figured out the three basic "must know" crankbait tricks; now they're my most dependable baits. Same with spinners, although I don't throw them as often.
J Francho reply :
My uncle and I had a day where he got so bore of catching smallies, he fish an unbaited hook. Yep, he got bit, LMAO. What was funny, they'd even get competitive over the unbaited hook. Two or three would follow the hooked fish. That day was awesome. We probably caught over 200 fish.
ww2farmer reply :
I have "never" caught anything on Rage Craws.............because I have "never" used them. Why? Because they are just a bait, there is nothing magic about them. I have Paca Craws that do the same thing. When my supply of Paca Craws is gone, which should be sometim next year, I will use Rage Craws , and I predict I will have the same results with them that I had with the Paca Craws, which is.....catch plenty of fish if I do my part. The only difference is I won't be tripping over my own lips to get on here and post how magical they are. I am glad they are a sponser, this place needs sponsers.
senile1 reply :
On 1/5/2012 at 5:42 AM, ww2farmer said:I have "never" caught anything on Rage Craws.............because I have "never" used them. Why? Because they are just a bait, there is nothing magic about them. I have Paca Craws that do the same thing. When my supply of Paca Craws is gone, which should be sometim next year, I will use Rage Craws , and I predict I will have the same results with them that I had with the Paca Craws, which is.....catch plenty of fish if I do my part. The only difference is I won't be tripping over my own lips to get on here and post how magical they are. I am glad they are a sponser, this place needs sponsers.
I agree with you about there being no magic to any lure. The point of this thread wasn't to rave about Rage Tail craws. In the Rage Tail thread that I referenced there are those who said they didn't catch much of anything on Rage Craws but they did on other Craws. That was just an example thread that made me think about this. We could be talking about any class of lures but what is it that makes one work for one person and not another. It could be a Stanley spinnerbait opposed to War Eagle, or a Strike King Crankbait versus Rapala. I knew the membership here would provide some interesting answers to this quesiton. .
ww2farmer reply :
Your right, insert any brand/bait vs. any brand/bait. The OP mentioned Rage craws...so thats what I tlaked about.
senile1 reply :
On 1/5/2012 at 6:32 AM, ww2farmer said:Your right, insert any brand/bait vs. any brand/bait. The OP mentioned Rage craws...so thats what I tlaked about.
lol, I'm the OP . . . just used them as an example.
Raul reply :
Buzzbaits, I can´t catch even a danged cold with buzzbaits 
, I can count with my fingers the fish I´ve caught with buzzbaits ..... in friggin´ 3 decades of bass fishing ! but I´m stubborn as a mule ..... now it´s personal. 
slonezp reply :
On 1/5/2012 at 6:56 AM, Raul said:Buzzbaits, I can´t catch even a danged cold with buzzbaits
Do what I do. Don't fish buzzbaits. Put on a jig and all your problems will go away.
Bluebasser86 reply :
On 1/5/2012 at 2:23 AM, deep said:I never caught a darn thing on Rapala lipless cranks, and I swear that's the truth!
Me neither and I love lipless baits. I've even thrown them for white bass and have never caught a single fish on one that I can remember. I know others that catch all kinds of fish on them though. I just don't fish them anymore, problem solved.
ww2farmer reply :
On 1/5/2012 at 6:36 AM, senile1 said:lol, I'm the OP . . . just used them as an example.
Haha.....whoosh....to much cold meds today lol.
J Francho reply :
Add in the mind numbing single digit temps we've had...makes us all a little confused.
Skeet22 reply :
confidence period.. How much technology can you really put into a plastic crawfish or any plastic bait for that matter?? I doubt the fish discriminate between speed craws,paca craws,rage craws etc..
For me its about, value,durability and productivity and there are plenty brands that fit the bill.. Pick one and develop confidence in it. When I first started Bass Fishing I got caught up in thinking I had to try every brand bait on the market looking for that magic bait. Since then I have stuck with 1 or 2 brands I have confidence in and it has helped my fishing a lot..
I am sure the Rage stuff works just fine but its not Magic and not the only bait out there. They come in hard shells to protect them and smell great which is cool but not worth the extra money IMO. Fish do not seem to mind the little dents in my zoom plastics and they catch fish just fine.
I am more impressed with the HAVOC line. Durable, catch fish and priced very fairly..Have not fished them enough to develop confidence in them yet though which is the most important factor.
ww2farmer reply :
On 1/5/2012 at 10:06 AM, J Francho said:Add in the mind numbing single digit temps we've had...makes us all a little confused.
Actually it has not been cold enough, we don't have any safe ice down here yet.....getting a little restless.
J Francho reply :
We keep getting alternating cold fronts, with days of warm, southern air. Back up from single digits to high 20s again.
Vinny Chase reply :
It comes down to if you are fishing the right bait at the right time, location, rate of fall, and pattern that the fish want on that paticular day.
To be honest, has anyone caught them on a rage craw, picked up a paca and they have turned off? I like the action on the rage craws a little better, but if I catch 5 fish on one spot with the rage craw I believe I would have caught those same fish with a paca.
Plus, there are a few paca colors that are one of a kind.
J Francho reply :
There's another example. Paca Craw vs. Rage Craws. About the ONLY similarity is that they go on a hook and have two appendages. They are completely different baits beyond that. So, to make a comparison that they are interchangeable is sort of like saying a DD22 worked better than a Rattle Trap, so I never use Rattle Traps.
Hi Salenity reply :
^^^^9999... can we get a 10000?
Skeet22 reply :
On 1/5/2012 at 10:59 PM, J Francho said:There's another example. Paca Craw vs. Rage Craws. About the ONLY similarity is that they go on a hook and have two appendages. They are completely different baits beyond that. So, to make a comparison that they are interchangeable is sort of like saying a DD22 worked better than a Rattle Trap, so I never use Rattle Traps.
So your saying the difference between a paca craw and a rage craw is equivelent to the difference between a lipless crank and a dd22??
Wow...
I beleive Vinny was saying the same thing you did a few post back that when they are fired up they will eat anything and dont care wether is a rage,paca,speed craw etc. as you mentioned catching them on an un baited hook..
Im not hating on the rage line by any means but people who come on hear and claim these rage craws are so magical crack me up. It honestly makes me not want to fish them..
A chigger craw is about as plain as you can get when it comes to a crawfish imitator but yet people swear by them and they catch plenty fish..I will say it one more time then im done, CONFIDENCE.
SirSnookalot reply :
I pretty much agree with J Francho, to my memory I've yet to use a bait that hasn't caught fish, not saying some may be better than others, I have no doubt of the success people have had with this bait, I've not used it.
As far as I'm concerned fish are either on or off. When on they hit just about anything and when off the going is very slow and sometimes getting skunked is in the equation.
I fish saltwater bucktails for bass and I jig them a bit different (works just fine), but I've been thinking about trying trailers on bass jigs for a change of pace.
J Francho reply :
On 1/5/2012 at 11:44 PM, Hi Salenity said:^^^^9999... can we get a 10000?
On 1/6/2012 at 12:23 AM, Skeet22 said:So your saying the difference between a paca craw and a rage craw is equivelent to the difference between a liplees crank and a dd22??
Wow...
Yep, and yep.
Try holding both in your hand, side by side. They are a lot different. Now rig them up exactly the same, and drop them in a fish tank. You'll see what I mean.
Skeet22 reply :
They are different no doubt..But not quite as different as you described. The reason I dont use paca craws is bc I think the small ones are too small and the regular ones are too large for me anyway. Ive caught fish on both sizes but prefer the size of other craws which is all preference as some love them.
One thing I have found with all the craws I have fished is that they all take atleast a 3/8 weight to really get the claws moving on the fall. Would these rage craws have better action with say a 1/8-1/4 ox weight than other craws?
I usually fish craws in the months where the fish are more active from pre spawn through summer and fish beavers or super hogs during the colder months with a lighter weight for a slower fall.
J Francho reply :
QuoteThey are different no doubt..But not quite as different as you described.
You're looking at baits like a fisherman, not a bass. Moving baits aren't that much different from each other. I'd make the same comparison with a casting spoon and a spinnerbait. With plastics, bass usually get a longer look at the bait, than something that zings by them; something they have to chase.
deep reply :
On 1/6/2012 at 1:04 AM, Skeet22 said:One thing I have found with all the craws I have fished is that they all take atleast a 3/8 weight to really get the claws moving on the fall. Would these rage craws have better action with say a 1/8-1/4 ox weight than other craws?
I have caught many many bass on a 3/16 oz booyah baby boo jig with a rage craw trailer (regular size, not the baby or the lobster).
senile1 reply :
On 1/5/2012 at 8:08 AM, Bluebasser86 said:Me neither and I love lipless baits. I've even thrown them for white bass and have never caught a single fish on one that I can remember. I know others that catch all kinds of fish on them though. I just don't fish them anymore, problem solved.
There is some good stuff here. I would like to explore some examples other than craws. Bluebasser stated above that he can't buy a bite on Rapala lipless baits. If you've been around here enough you know that BB is no slouch at catching bass. He seems to always figure out a pattern and put some fish in the boat. This is a good example of a quality angler who has a particular bait that just doesn't work for him. I think we all have a bait or two that just doesn't do the trick for us but we see them work for others. As individuals, maybe we catch on to different baits at different rates so we use these the most. The baits that take us longer to catch on to maybe don't get enough time on the end of our line for us to break through that barrier where we figure them out enough to develop some confidence in them.
On 1/5/2012 at 6:56 AM, Raul said:Buzzbaits, I can´t catch even a danged cold with buzzbaits
Raul is another good example of a good angler with a particular bait that just does nothing for him. These are two good examples of what I am talking about.
Colton Neal reply :
I think if you have confidence in it you just fish it more efficient. Also not everyone has the same line ya know, someone using the lightest possible line for the situation is probably going to get more bites then the other guy with heavier line.
Diggy reply :
I hate the craws when they come back clawless
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