Trd Ned Rig 2024

ADM reply :

I've hear a lot about the ned rig from TRD and have seen a couple of small post on the subject. I was wondering if anyone has some good AND BAD experiences with it. I've herd a lot of good things about it but not anything bad. I don't know if that's because its all good or the people who have had the bad and the ugly with it just don't care to even talk about it. Let me know something and give me some advice on it. I am new to BR btw!

MIbassyaker reply :

Heh, I tried it this week for the first time for 30min, on a section of a river that has both SM and LM in it (but not necessarily prime waters for either). Caught a couple white bass, which I didn't even know were in there. Cabela's only had the 1/6 shroomz head, and everybody recommends the smaller ones (1/10 and 1/16, I believe), but I got the 1/6 anyway thinking they might be well-suited for river current. I suppose they were....I'm looking forward to trying them upriver a ways where the smallies are more numerous.

So: an atypical experience, perhaps. But not a bad one, really. I don't have a sense, though, of how much advantage the TRD+Shroomz head really has (if any) over other sorts of small plastic bodies on jigheads.

Glenn reply :

I suppose you could say I've had success.

Check out the fish I caught on the Ned rig in this video: http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-videos/ned-rig.html

Bluebasser86 reply :

I catch hundreds of fish on a Ned Rig each year since I learned about it a few years ago. The TRD is nice, but I prefer 1/2 of a Zinker for mine, just seems like they last longer than the TRD does, although they're a bit more work to put together since you have to cut a Zinker in half, which isn't always easy.

The TRD (The Real Deal), is actually the name of the bait, Z-man is the name of the company that makes the TRD, which is used primarily for a Ned Rig

Tony L. reply :

The only real critique that I have heard so far is that it catches a LOT of smaller fish alongside a few behemoths. Probably not the best choice if you are a trophy Hunter on a time constraint and don't have the time to mess with the little guys too.

Until the next ultimate tackle trend rolls along and people start jumping ship, I don't think there is too much of anything bad that you'll hear. Right now it is a lure that a lot of people have confidence in. Bad days on a confidence bait are attributed to the conditions and not the technique :-)

The negative reviews will start coming in once somebody discovers a technique that works better and confidence goes in a new direction. Even then though, it will be more of a "the Ned rig is still the best choice under xxx conditions" as opposed to slamming it.

JSchwartzy reply :

It's not even fair sometimes with the Ned Rig, definitely a new confidence lure for me this year. The only negatives you will hear from me are hang-ups which happens quite a bit with the exposed hook and sometimes the TRD has a tendency to ball up on the keeper.

When you land a big one the bait sometimes seems to twist around the keeper and wad up and in those instances I have to re-rig which can sometimes be a pain cause the elaztech doesn't want to come off that keeper. The bait lasts forever though, you will lose your jig long before you would have to switch a TRD out. I'm not sure if others have had the same experience with the Ned Rig because I use the VMC Half Moon Head which is pretty much the same thing as the Shroomz that ZMan makes. Maybe the slight variation in keeper is causing this problems, not too sure.

IndyGlockMan reply :

How is the NED rig different than a "Shaky head" rig?

Looks like the NED is more 90 degree straight up where a Shaky is at an angle.

Fished the same way? Same technique?

Team9nine reply :

Lots and lots of info out there already, as well as what's been written above. One thing I will add is that it's not a magic bait. There are times when larger lures will simply outfish the Ned Rig badly. These are usually pre-spawn trips with conditions that most bassers would consider to be ideal - cloud cover, heavy wind, warming trend. Doesn't always happen, but it's been noted by MF regulars several times. It is just another tool for the arsenal, albeit one of the most consistent fish catchers you'll find under the right conditions (i.e., when following directions).

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How is the NED rig different than a "Shaky head" rig?

Looks like the NED is more 90 degree straight up where a Shaky is at an angle.

Fished the same way? Same technique?

In the sense that a shaky head and a Ned Rig are both just versions of jig-worming which has been around since the 1960s, then you could say they are at least all similar. However, Midwest Finesse (Ned Rig) anglers consider shakyhead fishing to be a form of "power finesse". It uses larger hooks, larger jigheads, and larger baits. It also is based around at least a semi-weedless (Tex-posed) presentation. Midwest finesse is small hooks , small baits, light jigheads, and a generally open hook presentation. To quote Ned:

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"The primary mission of the modern day Midwest finesse anglers is not aimed at catching five-, six-, seven- and eight-pound largemouth bass. Instead, its goal is to catch a lot of bass, which they found to be a difficult endeavor when they employed power tactics, as well as the finesse schemes of the Japanese and West Coast bass anglers. These anglers also contend that the shaky-head jigs and deep-water drop-shot rigs used by most tournament anglers are not part of the Midwest finesse repertoire.

-T9

Avalonjohn44 reply :

Negative about the Ned rig? Trying to find TRDs in the store. Can't find them, or most ZMan plastics, locally anywhere. Where the heck do you get them if you can't shop online?

Team9nine reply :

On 5/22/2015 at 4:34 AM, Avalonjohn44 said:
Negative about the Ned rig? Trying to find TRDs in the store. Can't find them, or most ZMan plastics, locally anywhere. Where the heck do you get them if you can't shop online?

Don't worry about TRDs too much and instead look for Z-Man ZinkerZ (the Senko-like bait) or the Strike King 3X Zero (both made of the same material), then simply cut them in half. It's what we all used before they created the TRDs, and what many of us still use instead of...It's even cheaper to do it this way. Might want to grab some 3X SK Finesse worms while you're at it. too.

-T9

Avalonjohn44 reply :

On 5/22/2015 at 6:13 AM, Team9nine said:

Don't worry about TRDs too much and instead look for Z-Man ZinkerZ (the Senko-like bait) or the Strike King 3X Zero (both made of the same material), then simply cut them in half. It's what we all used before they created the TRDs, and what many of us still use instead of...It's even cheaper to do it this way. Might want to grab some 3X SK Finesse worms while you're at it. too.

-T9

I am doing that. I have about 10 packs, but they all sink. Most of my other elaztec/3x Strike King baits float, but not the zeros. I know eventually the zeros will float once the salt disolves, but I wanted the TRDs since I was under the impression that they already floated and stood straight up from the bottome. Is that not the case?

Alonerankin2 reply :

Welcome to Bassresource..

jonnyblazex reply :

The TRD will sink as well. The Z man company seems to be putting salt HEAVILY into the batches that I have gotten as of recent. Salt is cheaper than plastic. Even the Strike King zeros will sink, regardless if its cut in half of not, but it is the same material, and I agree its durable. I have soaked these baits overnight in warm water, hoping they would float, and they didn't float when I checked them in the morning. Put it on a light jighead, and it will still tip over and not point straight up like you want it to. Bottom line is that I don't really think this makes a huge difference, although one worm in elaztec will last a really long time. They do hang up easily, and do catch a lot of small fish, but the big gals will also choke it down maybe if they want a snack. Try fishing it in a variety of methods, and see which works best for you is the best advice I Know,

Team9nine reply :

On 5/22/2015 at 6:32 AM, Avalonjohn44 said:
I am doing that. I have about 10 packs, but they all sink. Most of my other elaztec/3x Strike King baits float, but not the zeros. I know eventually the zeros will float once the salt disolves, but I wanted the TRDs since I was under the impression that they already floated and stood straight up from the bottome. Is that not the case?

Not quite - they're both very similar in that regard. Check out the following video that will answer all your questions on the matter. Oh, one quick tip...when you start with a new bait, grab the head just behind the hook and stretch the heck out of the back half of the bait. It will help dislodge the salt and make it dissolve faster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd-YvSXhnmw

-T9

Avalonjohn44 reply :

Awesome video, thanks. Now back to the problem of finding those darn TRDs in a brick and mortar...

cgolf reply :

So my 2 cents on the rig for river fishing. I could only find 1 bag of the Zinker zs locally so I am using those cut in half.

I have had had good luck with the rig so far, catching 3 dinks and an 18 an19" Smallie. The biggest plus for the bait is the bouancy. While I would still snag on and bounce off of rocks which is what I wanted, it hasn't wedged itself in a snag or even snag such that the hook would be damaged. That right there makes it a winner.

Is this going to be my best bait this year, who knows. But it definitely has found a spot in my river box. As for the lake I see it as a tool, you could switch between brands and the Z man plastics will give the bait a different fall rate, fall attitude, and action on the bottom vs half a senko or dinger. I am guessing each would work at different times.

Fishes in trees reply :

My primary issue with the ned rig is that the open hook hang up ALOT - for me, anyway. I'm ring to keep all the ned rig stuff in my boat and when I get around 45 degree banks or steeper, with clay, or creek rock or bigger rocks, I'll break it out.

For me, where I fish, I need a tx rigged bait so I don't get hung as much. Therefore, more often than not in the future, I'm taking the rod I use for ned rig fishing (5'4" Fenwick HMG spinning rig, 1000 size Shimano reel and 10 lb Nanofill with an 8 lb fluorocarbon leader) and I'm throwing 1/16 and 1/8 oz Brewer slider heads with the Brewer 4" worm. That bait seems to come through vegetation better for me than the open hook ned rig.

A KGB Operative reply :

Due to TW sale,

Recommended colors?

And also, recommended hooks? I'm having a huge difficulty putting the shroomz hooks in my cart. Too pricey

cgolf reply :

On 5/24/2015 at 1:37 AM, Fishes in trees said:

My primary issue with the ned rig is that the open hook hang up ALOT - for me, anyway. I'm ring to keep all the ned rig stuff in my boat and when I get around 45 degree banks or steeper, with clay, or creek rock or bigger rocks, I'll break it out.

For me, where I fish, I need a tx rigged bait so I don't get hung as much. Therefore, more often than not in the future, I'm taking the rod I use for ned rig fishing (5'4" Fenwick HMG spinning rig, 1000 size Shimano reel and 10 lb Nanofill with an 8 lb fluorocarbon leader) and I'm throwing 1/16 and 1/8 oz Brewer slider heads with the Brewer 4" worm. That bait seems to come through vegetation better for me than the open hook ned rig.

Haven't tried it yet, but wonder how it would work on a slider head? It should still float up in the tail because of the plastic. Slider heads are underrated by many, love those things.

Bluebasser86 reply :

On 5/24/2015 at 3:07 AM, cgolf said:
Haven't tried it yet, but wonder how it would work on a slider head? It should still float up in the tail because of the plastic. Slider heads are underrated by many, love those things.

I'm sure they would work, although it's going to hinder some of the action and be more difficult to hook a fish.

This was my solution to snaggy areas before I started pouring my own weedless mushroom heads. 1/8oz swinging football head with a 2/0 short shank EWG Owner rigging hook.

Sea Salt reply :

The ned rig is simply just a worm on a jig. If you have a jig and put the right stuff on it you can basically catch fish anywhere.

KayakBasser reply :

I thought is was Just a small fish bait but On the first cast before it hit the bottom I caught a three pounder, a couple casts later I hooked into a 7 pounder...fun fight on ten pound test.NOTHING bad.

bassr95 reply :

Negatives?...It's an open hook bait meant to be fished on or near the bottom. That makes it useless in the weedy water I usually fish, I know because I tried it.

Bluebasser86 reply :

On 6/3/2015 at 12:03 PM, bassr95 said:
Negatives?...It's an open hook bait meant to be fished on or near the bottom. That makes it useless in the weedy water I usually fish, I know because I tried it.

Fish the edges of the grass. If you've ever read Ned's blog he fishes lakes with grass frequently. One of them gets packed with weeds, I know I fished the same lake today and even after they killed off a bunch of weeds it still has way more than most of the lakes in the area.

Master Bait'r reply :

Guys. The rig is a concept, not a definition. Using the principles that make the Ned work, you can adapt it as Blue has shown above or in many MANY ways to fit your situation. I love experimenting out on the water!

Heron reply :

I have a hunch, that a half chunk of a Zoom Magnum Finesse worm would work well. To me it seems adequately supple, buoyant, and not much salt.

Avalonjohn44 reply :

On 6/3/2015 at 12:03 PM, bassr95 said:
Negatives?...It's an open hook bait meant to be fished on or near the bottom. That makes it useless in the weedy water I usually fish, I know because I tried ii.

Instead of fishing it with an exposed hook, just rig it a bit differently and bury the hook. Google images a texas rigged grub and implement what they do with the ned rig. It might put a slight bend in the bait, but it still works. Tried it a couple of days ago.

bma3 reply :

Does anyone have any tips to put the TRD on the hook straight? It always has these little bumps or it is curved in one area for me. Other than that, I've had great success, especially today!

Bluebasser86 reply :

On 4/15/2017 at 10:13 AM, bma3 said:

Does anyone have any tips to put the TRD on the hook straight? It always has these little bumps or it is curved in one area for me. Other than that, I've had great success, especially today!

Best suggestion is not to worry about it. The fish don't care about it being straight.

bma3 reply :

On 4/15/2017 at 10:30 AM, Bluebasser86 said:

Best suggestion is not to worry about it. The fish don't care about it being straight.

Won't hinder action?

Dorado reply :

Asking if there are any bad experiences with the NED rig is liking asking the Hobie crew if there are any drawbacks with their Hobie yaks.

Bluebasser86 reply :

On 4/15/2017 at 11:27 AM, bma3 said:

Won't hinder action?

What action?

Mine are never perfectly straight and I don't have any problems catching fish on them.

fishwizzard reply :

On 5/22/2015 at 4:34 AM, Avalonjohn44 said:

Negative about the Ned rig? Trying to find TRDs in the store. Can't find them, or most ZMan plastics, locally anywhere. Where the heck do you get them if you can't shop online?

You are like 2 hours from Susquehanna Fishing Tackle, which is like a little slice of bass-heaven. They should carry what you need. It's a long drive, but you will pass a lot of great water on the way there and back.

On 6/3/2015 at 8:07 PM, Master Bait'r said:

Guys. The rig is a concept, not a definition. Using the principles that make the Ned work, you can adapt it as Blue has shown above or in many MANY ways to fit your situation. I love experimenting out on the water!

Exactly. I think people get hung up on exact definitions. I fish the "Ned" on a weedless Owner Ultra/Decoy Nail Bomb head most of the time. Does it work as well as a short, open hooked head? Nope, but it works well enough and saves me time, money, and keeps more litter out of the water.

On 4/15/2017 at 10:30 AM, Bluebasser86 said:

Best suggestion is not to worry about it. The fish don't care about it being straight.

While I know and believe this, I get all fussy if it isnt straight.

On 4/15/2017 at 11:54 AM, Dorado said:

Asking if there are any bad experiences with the NED rig is liking asking the Hobie crew if there are any drawbacks with their Hobie yaks.

Well, you gotta ask them quickly as once they peddle past you, they can't turn around to come back and answer!

Bass_Fishing_Socal reply :

The bad of Ned rig to me is not catching any fish with it?. I still not quite sure of "do nothing technique" concept of ned rig. In the mean time I caught plenty of fish on TRD.

When I started Ned I felt a lot of nibbles from small fish but nothing hook up and those snag thing kept me away from true Ned rig. I'd prefer shaky head (owner ultra head 1/8) over Ned rig.

Smokinal reply :

On 4/15/2017 at 10:13 AM, bma3 said:

Does anyone have any tips to put the TRD on the hook straight? It always has these little bumps or it is curved in one area for me. Other than that, I've had great success, especially today!

I know exactly what you mean. Are you using the ZMan Shroomz jigheads with that little wire tang that holds the bait on? If so, and I use those too, I break off that tab, rig the TRD nice and straight and super glue the head of the bait to the flat underside of the jighead. Let the glue set up for a few minutes before you fish it. I've found this keeps the bait from balling up and twisting on that little keeper and it stays straight much longer.

bma3 reply :

On 4/17/2017 at 7:41 AM, Smokinal said:

I know exactly what you mean. Are you using the ZMan Shroomz jigheads with that little wire tang that holds the bait on? If so, and I use those too, I break off that tab, rig the TRD nice and straight and super glue the head of the bait to the flat underside of the jighead. Let the glue set up for a few minutes before you fish it. I've found this keeps the bait from balling up and twisting on that little keeper and it stays straight much longer.

Thanks, that helps a lot!

OCdockskipper reply :

A TRD on a ZMan Finesse Shroomz head is my go to setup, so the negatives I am about to list aren't horrible. No lure is perfect in all conditions but a Ned rig often shines when others don't.

The negatives (for me) -

The keeper on the jighead will bunch up the bait after a fish or two grab it, so I choose to bust it off & instead glue the head of the bait to the jig;
It's smaller size makes it a 3rd or 4th option when bed fishing, typically I want something that looks to be ready to create havoc when dragged through a bed & the TRD comes across as harmless. Nonetheless, I have caught fish off beds with a TRD after they wouldn't inhale larger lures;
I have avoided using it in heavy cover, both due to snagging and the rod/reel/line that is best used to fish it. Not that it can't be used in heavy cover, just that it isn't the best option with all things considered.
First 20 minutes in the morning before sunrise or at night, it seems like it is a little harder for fish to find and a larger lure gets bit more. I don't need bright skies or clear water to be effective with it, but when there is nearly no light, it may be too subtle. Once there is a little light, this negative disappears.

MNGeorge reply :

On 5/21/2015 at 1:33 PM, Bluebasser86 said:

I catch hundreds of fish on a Ned Rig each year since I learned about it a few years ago. The TRD is nice, but I prefer 1/2 of a Zinker for mine, just seems like they last longer than the TRD does, although they're a bit more work to put together since you have to cut a Zinker in half, which isn't always easy.

The TRD (The Real Deal), is actually the name of the bait, Z-man is the name of the company that makes the TRD, which is used primarily for a Ned Rig

We've had the exact opposite experience with the TRD...caught as many as 13 fish on one bait, turned it around and caught another 8 fish on it before it would no longer stay on the hook and we're not talking small fish either...we're talking river Smallies from 16 to 20 inches long. We wouldn't think of using anything but the TRD on a NED rig because they are so durable. To be totally candid, we don't fish the TRD on a shroom head however, we fish it Texas rigged on a swinging football head in order to get to and stay on the bottom in the river current. It's an ugly looking setup, but the Smallies don't seem to care.

Bluebasser86 reply :

On 4/17/2017 at 7:09 PM, MNGeorge said:

We've had the exact opposite experience with the TRD...caught as many as 13 fish on one bait, turned it around and caught another 8 fish on it before it would no longer stay on the hook and we're not talking small fish either...we're talking river Smallies from 16 to 20 inches long. We wouldn't think of using anything but the TRD on a NED rig because they are so durable. To be totally candid, we don't fish the TRD on a shroom head however, we fish it Texas rigged on a swinging football head in order to get to and stay on the bottom in the river current. It's an ugly looking setup, but the Smallies don't seem to care.

I'm getting 20-30 on a TRD but over 50 on a 1/2 Zinker isn't unusual if the zebra mussels don't steal it first. I've been getting better numbers from the TRD with the new Midwest Finesse mold. Seems like the bait stays intact much better when it's rigged on the wire keeper instead of being glued.

I imagine that swing head rig would look something like this

IndianaFinesse reply :

On 4/17/2017 at 7:09 PM, MNGeorge said:

We've had the exact opposite experience with the TRD...caught as many as 13 fish on one bait, turned it around and caught another 8 fish on it before it would no longer stay on the hook and we're not talking small fish either...we're talking river Smallies from 16 to 20 inches long. We wouldn't think of using anything but the TRD on a NED rig because they are so durable. To be totally candid, we don't fish the TRD on a shroom head however, we fish it Texas rigged on a swinging football head in order to get to and stay on the bottom in the river current. It's an ugly looking setup, but the Smallies don't seem to care.

I don't use trds anymore, but I do use half of a zinkerz, and I've only ever had one completely wear out. And that was after it had caught 108 bass...

So you should be getting more bass out of them than that, unless putting them on a swinging football instead of the ned rig makes them more fragile.

fishwizzard reply :

If any of you guys have a source for some of those tiny swings heads, please shoot me a PM.

Heck, I would take a lead on 1/16 shroom heads with #2-4 hooks as well. I have a bad feeling about how long my order from Gopher is taking and I have yet to find a good place to get smaller hooked heads from.

Bluebasser86 reply :

On 4/17/2017 at 11:37 PM, Bunnielab said:

If any of you guys have a source for some of those tiny swings heads, please shoot me a PM.

Heck, I would take a lead on 1/16 shroom heads with #2-4 hooks as well. I have a bad feeling about how long my order from Gopher is taking and I have yet to find a good place to get smaller hooked heads from.

The one I posted is one I poured just for tiny plastics. It's a 2/0 short shank Owner Rig' N hook and a 1/8oz head. I fish the 3" Pit Boss and Baby Rage Craw on them a lot.

gimruis reply :

I have found two negatives to it. One, it catches a lot of small bass compared to big bass. Not that it won't catch ANY bigger bass, but since its so little, it tends to attract a lot of dinks. Two, like others have mentioned, it gets hung up in thicker weeds using the shroomz head jig. I have caught fish on it when almost nothing else works so it can be very effective. I tend to do better in rockier terrain for smallmouth using it.

MNGeorge reply :

On 4/17/2017 at 7:20 PM, Bluebasser86 said:

I'm getting 20-30 on a TRD but over 50 on a 1/2 Zinker isn't unusual if the zebra mussels don't steal it first. I've been getting better numbers from the TRD with the new Midwest Finesse mold. Seems like the bait stays intact much better when it's rigged on the wire keeper instead of being glued.

I imagine that swing head rig would look something like this

We use a different swing head but essentially that's it...like I said, it's ugly but the Smallies don't seem to care.

tander reply :

To me this is the perfect jig head for the Ned rig. 1/16oz with a small weedguard.

MNGeorge reply :

On 4/17/2017 at 11:37 PM, Bunnielab said:

If any of you guys have a source for some of those tiny swings heads, please shoot me a PM.

Heck, I would take a lead on 1/16 shroom heads with #2-4 hooks as well. I have a bad feeling about how long my order from Gopher is taking and I have yet to find a good place to get smaller hooked heads from.

Bunnie,

You have a PM

Yeajray231 reply :

@Last_Cast got me a set of heads and trd for fishmas and I tried em out yesterday at a local pond. The bite was slow and I only managed 2 on a finesse jig before I decided I was going to try the damned "Ned" rig. ( Glad you did too bud , thanks.)

Ended up catching 12 in about an hour. All 12" and under but it was actually fun because it felt like every cast I was catching one after I was having such a slow day !

I'll keep this technique in my back pocket on days I'm fearing a skunk. Right there with a kalins grub and 4" senko..

BaitFinesse reply :

In thick veg I prefer to opt for an 1/8 oz spider head on 4 inch swimming dinger. Same 3 inch senko type body but with the addition of a small paddle tail. Highly weedless and gits bit a lot. I also swim my ned rigs and don't fish them on the bottom. If I wanted to fish a bottom contact bait i'll opt for a jig or shakey head.

Rudy523 reply :

I fish the weedless Ned rig Jig Heads. I catch alot pre spawn on these. The problem I have, which I guess isn't bad is I get a lot of Rock Bass and small Northerns in between the Bass Bite

OCdockskipper reply :

Obviously a stuttering problem...

IndianaFinesse reply :

On 4/22/2017 at 3:06 AM, Rudy523 said:

I fish the weedless Ned rig Jig Heads. I catch alot pre spawn on these. The problem I have, which I guess isn't bad is I get a lot of Rock Bass and small Northerns in between the Bass Bite

I fish the weedless Ned rig Jig Heads. I catch alot pre spawn on these. The problem I have, which I guess isn't bad is I get a lot of Rock Bass and small Northerns in between the Bass Bite

I fish the weedless Ned rig Jig Heads. I catch alot pre spawn on these. The problem I have, which I guess isn't bad is I get a lot of Rock Bass and small Northerns in between the Bass Bite

I fish the weedless Ned rig Jig Heads. I catch alot pre spawn on these. The problem I have, which I guess isn't bad is I get a lot of Rock Bass and small Northerns in between the Bass Bite

I fish the weedless Ned rig Jig Heads. I catch alot pre spawn on these. The problem I have, which I guess isn't bad is I get a lot of Rock Bass and small Northerns in between the Bass Bite

I fish the weedless Ned rig Jig Heads. I catch alot pre spawn on these. The problem I have, which I guess isn't bad is I get a lot of Rock Bass and small Northerns in between the Bass Bite

I fish the weedless Ned rig Jig Heads. I catch alot pre spawn on these. The problem I have, which I guess isn't bad is I get a lot of Rock Bass and small Northerns in between the Bass Bite

Heard you the first time, no need to repeat yourself seven times...

Rudy523 reply :

Sorry What the heck only posted once

Smokinal reply :

On 4/24/2017 at 7:23 PM, Rudy523 said:

Sorry What the heck only posted once

It's all good brother. I wanted to read it more than once anyway

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