Interested to try adding a wake bait or two to my top water bait inventory - in the small crank bait size category of wake bait what do you like ?
Any time of year or specific technique you have found effective ?
I have a Biovex Wake bait that doesn't seem to run right. I ordered a Arashi Wake and Rapala Waking minnow. So hopefully one of these will be better. Certainly could have worked today.
I wouldn't overlook the Strike Pro Hunchback as a small wake bait option. I have some Livingston Lures Pro Wakes that are getting painted right now and can't wait to try.
However, my most productive has been the Bass Pro "Offshore Angler" wake bait. It's about the size of a KVD 2.5, has a huge one-knocker rattle that really "wakes" them up, and it runs like a demon in shallow water. I highly recommend it.
I don't know if a buzzbait falls into the category of wake bait, but it gets my vote if it does.
Ima Roumba. Evergreen rat a tat.
I'd like to try rapala waking minnow
G2 Shellcracker
Small: BPS XPS Super Shallow and Bandit Foot Loose
Large: 3/4 oz BPS The Egg, Depps Buzzjet, Imkatsu Waddle Buggy
On 8/26/2014 at 11:03 AM, Bass_Fanatic said:G2 Shellcracker
That's not exactly of the small crankbait size. It's also about 4x the weight.
The ones I am using a lot lately are the ones you can buy blanks of all over the Internet. (I've seen them on three or four different sites but there is never a brand name, but a simple search of "wake bait blank" should bring them up.) A guy I know paints them up for me so I am able to get custom colors at nice prices. Here is a pic of some of the frog patterns he does, as well as ones in black/blue and junebug that slay them at night. These baits run 6-8 inches deep on a fast retrieve and have a really wide, noisy wobble when reeled slowly along the surface. These are 2 1/2 inches long and weigh a 1/2 ounce.
They aren't super small but I like the old XCalibur wake baits and the LC RC wake baits.
Jackall Mikey Jr.
A MS Slammer is my favorite wake bait but doesn't fit the small category.
Right now it would be a Storm Arashi wakebait, the only wakebait I've ever had much success with other than the slammer.
On 8/26/2014 at 1:20 PM, Bluebasser86 said:A MS Slammer is my favorite wake bait but doesn't fit the small category.
Right now it would be a Storm Arashi wakebait, the only wakebait I've ever had much success with other than the slammer.
Have you ever tried the Rapala Waking Minnow?
On 8/26/2014 at 1:40 PM, tcbass said:Have you ever tried the Rapala Waking Minnow?
I haven't tried any Rapala wake bait. I've all but given up on Rapala after all the headache the DT series gave me.
I assume you're talking about the new BX waking minnow?
On 8/26/2014 at 1:41 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I haven't tried any Rapala wake bait. I've all but given up on Rapala after all the headache the DT series gave me.
I assume you're talking about the new BX waking minnow?
Yeah.
What's the problems with the DTs?
On 8/26/2014 at 1:52 PM, tcbass said:Yeah.
What's the problems with the DTs?
I've heard good things about it from the guys that have got their hands on them.
The DTs I've had have been very fragile, main issue has been the bills pulling out of the baits, either during a retrieve or while fighting a fish. I'm down to only about a dozen or so and have no plans to buy any more once they're gone.
On 8/26/2014 at 11:11 AM, TorqueConverter said:Small: BPS XPS Super Shallow and Bandit Foot Loose
Large: 3/4 oz BPS The Egg, Depps Buzzjet, Imkatsu Waddle Buggy
The "small" category would fit my needs best as I don't have a suitable baitcast rod (except carolina rod) that would handle the larger 3/4th oz. BPS egg .
What size mono would be good for the Bandit Foot Loose or the BPS Super Shallow ? Currently I have one baitcast reel with Big Game 10lb. on it and another baitcast reel with Sunline Super Natural 16lb on it .
On 8/26/2014 at 2:00 PM, Bluebasser86 said:I've heard good things about it from the guys that have got their hands on them.
The DTs I've had have been very fragile, main issue has been the bills pulling out of the baits, either during a retrieve or while fighting a fish. I'm down to only about a dozen or so and have no plans to buy any more once they're gone.
Yea, me too.. On Dt6's... Bills break on bumps, and fish... I have had I presume worse batches than others as well, not buying a single one again. I like them,but too costly, better and really better baits out there IMO ...
On 8/26/2014 at 6:01 PM, ChrisD46 said:The "small" category would fit my needs best as I don't have a suitable baitcast rod (except carolina rod) that would handle the larger 3/4th oz. BPS egg .
What size mono would be good for the Bandit Foot Loose or the BPS Super Shallow ? Currently I have one baitcast reel with Big Game 10lb. on it and another baitcast reel with Sunline Super Natural 16lb on it .
10 - 14 pound Suffix Elite is my one of my favorite monos.
Looks like I can get both the Bandit Footloose and the BPS Super Shallow from BPS - What two or three colors in the Bandit Footloose or BPS Super Shallow would you star with to cover conditions from moderately stained to clear water ?
I only have one XPS super shallow and have caught bunch on Chanteuse Perch color. It's impossible to go Bandit without getting the Sun Perch color, because it's awesome. Just get a few in natural finishes to start with to match your baitfish and few in bright colors if you really like the baits.
Thanks - I thought : shad , bluegill , sunfish natural colors to begin and a chartreuse something for cloudy or stained water conditions .
My favorite wake bait is the Manns Waker Elite but it is discontinued so I'm going to try the Arashi series. I also like the Rapala DT Fat 1, it puts out a big bulge but the Manns can be burned and will still only dive to 3".
Do any of these smaller wake baits truly "wake" at any speed? All the ones I try go subsurface a foot or less
Although big the SK wake shad is the best for me. Always stays on top and calls fish up. I also prefer a jointed for a wake bait.
On 8/27/2014 at 7:28 AM, Comfortably Numb said:Do any of these smaller wake baits truly "wake" at any speed? All the ones I try go subsurface a foot or less
Although big the SK wake shad is the best for me. Always stays on top and calls fish up. I also prefer a jointed for a wake bait.
check out the Jackall cherry 0 footer for burning and the jackall mikey jr for a jointed one.
On 8/26/2014 at 12:25 PM, Jrob78 said:They aren't super small but I like the old XCalibur wake baits and the LC RC wake baits.
Those are my 2 favorites .
Any comments on the Strike King Pro Model 1XS Shallow Crank ? ... Looks like it might be comparable to the Bandit Footloose but is a little heavier at 3/8oz.
I just got on here to ask this same question. I need a few wake baits. Has anyone tried a Bass Pro crank called 'The Egg?' It's a fat, strange looking bait that seems like it might just work. Out of 92 customer reviews, only 2 gave it less than 4 stars (out of 5). There are two sizes, the smaller might fit the 'small' category at 2", but a bit heavy at 7/16 oz., while the 2 1/2", 3/4 oz. version probably doesn't. One of the appeals for me is that it seems large enough to keep panfish away. I don't mind crappies or large bluegills, but at some of the lakes I fish, the smaller bream pecking can be a constant irritation.
The Egg is a legit bait, I like the bigger size. I change out the hooks to the # 2 Mustad kvd short shank. It will probably wake if you fish it real slow but it tends to run a few inches below the surface on a faster retrieve.
As far as keeping a wake crank bait more on the surface - research indicates a thicker diameter mono (12lb ~ 15lb) and a high rod tip angle of 10:00 - 11:00 o'clock work best .
One more to consider.....http://rossocorsa-fishing.jp/line-up-english/calappa.php
On 9/1/2014 at 8:56 PM, Maico1 said:One more to consider.....http://rossocorsa-fishing.jp/line-up-english/calappa.php
That thing is sick looking !
Where can I get one of those? If you click around, there is also also a micro version (8.5g- 45 mm), and some of their other lures look pretty cool too. A word of warning though, they have this cheesy R&B song -"Hate How Much I Love You" as the soundtrack to most of the videos.
http://www.thetacklehut.com/products.detail.asp?ID=201
Anybody have experience with : Bomber Shallow A Squarebill or a Norman Wake N ? ... These two wake cranks are offered at a reasonable price - just curious how they perform ?
How about the old Jitterbug?
Old school - still have black one for night fishing I have not used in a while ...The cadence was more of a reel slowly for three feet and stop , then repeat .
While no absolutes - most wake baits are a slow , steady retrieve .
On 9/4/2014 at 6:35 AM, ChrisD46 said:most wake baits are a slow , steady retrieve .
Why?
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On 9/4/2014 at 6:53 AM, OkobojiEagle said:Why?
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The lip cause it to dive if you cast it too far and retrieve too fast. You don't necessarily have to make it steady though.
Ima Roumba. Close the thread.
On 9/4/2014 at 8:11 AM, IAY said:You don't necessarily have to make it steady though.
My point.
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On 9/4/2014 at 4:43 AM, FrogFreak said:How about the old Jitterbug?
The jitterbug is still a great lure. But I consider that a topwater. From what I understand, a true "wake bait" should run just under the surface, causing a bulge and leaving a V, or wake. For my purposes, a super shallow crankbait will do, because I often fish very shallow flats that are thick with moss. If you go too deep, you get moss. Plastics may work, or they may gather moss, cover less water, and get pecked apart by bluegills. I use a jitterbug a lot in these situations, but if the fish aren't willing to hit topwater, options are limited.
A couple of points : The Ima Roumba is in the top 5% of wake crankbaits - but at a hefty $16.00 ea. it is beyond my budget to stock up on a few basic colors . Next , check out the Ima Roumba site at TW and read the retrieve suggestion - while I previously said there are no absolutes , research elsewhere suggests majority of the pros are reeling wake baits slow and steady the majority of the time so I believe that is not a bad place to start .
CL8 mouse
I hate to say it but the wiggle wog has produced a ton for me as well. It's very fun to work through weeds, it makes a huge racket and big fish go nuts.
Really REALLY want a Bettencourt jointed squarebill rodent too- the action on those is crazy.
Just got back from Bass Pro with four Arashi wake baits. Have a tourny on the Ohio river and I found a place they are eating shad on the surface. I have never used a wake bait. I will report monday!
What about modifying a bait to make it either wake, or wake better? You know how people will scrape part of the lip off on poppers to make them skitter more? I was wondering if it would be possible to cut or file down the lip on a wake bait or shallow diver to change the action, and make it run shallower? But before I go and ruin a crankbait, even a cheap one, I wanted to see if anyone else has tried anything like this, and what the results were? I have a crankbait that I'm willing to sacrifice that has one of the "L" or "stair-step style" lips (if anyone knows a better name, let me know) like on the shallow shad rap, and the super shad rap. I was thinking that might work better than a regular straight lip, if I just filed off the horizontal part, and then shaped it until I got the correct action. Thoughts?
Also, this may be smaller than you want, but Rebel makes a Teeny Wake-R that is 1 1/2" and 5/32 oz. I haven't used it, but I've caught a lot of fish on the Teeny Crank, including some pretty nice bass, especially in the brown and white color.
On 9/6/2014 at 7:34 AM, Mswen said:What about modifying a bait to make it either wake, or wake better? You know how people will scrape part of the lip off on poppers to make them skitter more? I was wondering if it would be possible to cut or file down the lip on a wake bait or shallow diver to change the action, and make it run shallower? But before I go and ruin a crankbait, even a cheap one, I wanted to see if anyone else has tried anything like this, and what the results were? I have a crankbait that I'm willing to sacrifice that has one of the "L" or "stair-step style" lips (if anyone knows a better name, let me know) like on the shallow shad rap, and the super shad rap. I was thinking that might work better than a regular straight lip, if I just filed off the horizontal part, and then shaped it until I got the correct action. Thoughts?
Also, this may be smaller than you want, but Rebel makes a Teeny Wake-R that is 1 1/2" and 5/32 oz. I haven't used it, but I've caught a lot of fish on the Teeny Crank, including some pretty nice bass, especially in the brown and white color.
If the line tie is on the bill of the crank, then trimming or even changing the shape will most likely ruin the bait to the point where it won't run. If the line tie is on the nose if the bait, then yes you can play around with shortening and shaping the bill of the crank.
There have been some instances where people have been able to successfully modify the bill of a crankbait with a line tie on bill. Some of custom crankbait builders are known to shave a tiny bit off of bill to make the bait unstable and hunt. Some pro used to reshape the bills on the bomber fat free shads to get a tighter action.
Thanks, that was really helpful. A couple pages back is a link to a Japanese company, Rosso Corsa, that makes a lure called the Vodka, where the lip can be popped out and turned around. One side is flat, the other is slightly rounded. It's an interesting concept, but the lure is $20, and I need some reassurance that the lip won't fall out after 3 fish.
On 9/6/2014 at 3:00 PM, Mswen said:Thanks, that was really helpful. A couple pages back is a link to a Japanese company, Rosso Corsa, that makes a lure called the Vodka, where the lip can be popped out and turned around. One side is flat, the other is slightly rounded. It's an interesting concept, but the lure is $20, and I need some reassurance that the lip won't fall out after 3 fish.
Here's a link to that Fat Free Shad modification I was talking about, if you're interested.
http://bassmadness.blogspot.com/2009/01/shavin-crankbait-lips.html
Although the Calappa comes with an optional separate lip it is the same means (snap fit) of attaching it as the Vodka. That said I have never had a problem with the lip failing as it has a very positive fit leaving no play.On 9/6/2014 at 3:00 PM, Mswen said:Thanks, that was really helpful. A couple pages back is a link to a Japanese company, Rosso Corsa, that makes a lure called the Vodka, where the lip can be popped out and turned around. One side is flat, the other is slightly rounded. It's an interesting concept, but the lure is $20, and I need some reassurance that the lip won't fall out after 3 fish.
I would be a bit less worried about the Calappa, because I would have no reason to ever remove it, like if I were to flip it around on the Vodka. Still, that's good to know.