In the past I haven't thrown many lipless baits but I plan to change that this year. It would be great to hear a number of opinions on any lipless baits. Thanks!
I like the spro lipless the strike king is very popular along with the lucky craft lv500. I have had the spro baits the longest so they are my comfort lipless.
I really like the spros. They are one of my favorites.
Mike, what size(s) do you like?
The spros seem to be good for bottom bumping in hard bottom spots, and red eye shads are pretty good on the fall. I fish the Xcaliburs the most.
I'm in the same boat brother. I've only fished the rippin rap from rapala and it was pretty decent, I picked up a bunch of scale ur xr50's they're on sale at cabelas for around 2.50 online I got mine for 0.88 to 2.00 dollars at my local cabelas and they seem really nice and I've only heard good things about em good luck man, tight linesOn 1/11/2015 at 11:16 AM, whitwolf said:In the past I haven't thrown many lipless baits but I plan to change that this year. It would be great to hear a number of opinions on any lipless baits. Thanks!
-Jonah
xcaliburs*** excuse meOn 1/11/2015 at 11:44 AM, JThoms38 said:I'm in the same boat brother. I've only fished the rippin rap from rapala and it was pretty decent, I picked up a bunch of scale ur xr50's they're on sale at cabelas for around 2.50 online I got mine for 0.88 to 2.00 dollars at my local cabelas and they seem really nice and I've only heard good things about em good luck man, tight lines
-Jonah
Also the *** fillet looks amazing and according to keepinitreel fishings review on YouTube it's an amazing bait, the video has coaxed me into ordering some lol
****** gosh darnOn 1/11/2015 at 11:47 AM, JThoms38 said:Also the *** fillet looks amazing and according to keepinitreel fishings review on YouTube it's an amazing bait, the video has coaxed me into ordering some lol
In lunker hunt a swear word of some sort what's with the stars?
Mostly the 65
Spros are my favorite as well
Spro, Yo Zuri and Duo Realis
I prefer the original rat l traps.
Spros are good baits for the price I like the chart shad.
Xcaliber XRK50's and XR50's are about the only rattle baits I throw. I've got one in the Ghost color that's caught so many fish it doesn't hardly have any paint left on it.
Rattle Traps . Bounce them off the bottom.
I prefer Xcalibur XR50 rattlebaits. They run straighter and look really good. Hooks are good too. I fish them on 6'6" or 7' medium power rod w/a6.4:1 reel w/12# Berkley XL monofilament line.
I break down lipless baits into categories....here are my favorites and I use them more than most hardbaits...
1- yo-yo style retrieve or ripping-Rapala Rippin Rap, Red Eye Shad, Yo-zuri VIbe
For a bait that glides on the pause the Rapala CLackin rap is great, for a one Knocker the xcalibur bait are top quality and so are the colors, and for a nose down and bottom walking style nothing touches the Jackall Tn in my opinion but the spro Akuru shad is great but I like it more for the head down swim and ripping from weeds..
Favorite lipless crank- Sebile Flatt Shad-Snagless (Truly weedless)- Best lipless invented- Sebile flatt Shad 77 suspending, you can pitch it like a jig, only needs 6" of water and will sit still like a boss, swims head down, glitter filled body gives a scale falling off effect and translucent baits work best imo of all the colors, you can fish this bait anywhere and it vibrates nicely with flat sides no rattles, catches bigger fish as it is larger.
Honorable mention- Cordell Spot and suspending spot especially the smaller ones, Sebile flatt shadd sinking 66mm and 54mm,
Reaction Strike Xv-65,75, Floating Rattle traps, storm rockin shad, H20 Express 3/8 and 5/8 lipless cranks...
Alll of these baits have completely different actions, some magazine broke down slow cycle vs. fast, fall rates, better for ripping etc...I also make sure if ripping grass I use barbless hooks, and use thinner guage, Triple grips are good, but favorite is xcal Rotating t3 trebles for lipless cranks as they stay tight to belly, also check out the mustad 2 prong trebles and pull of the rear hook and add either a blade or flashabou without a hook to make any lipless crank weedless, or take a rubber band and wrap hooks to belly, it works, big fish choke em, hooks can be on top as well...Sebile is the best imo for lipless cranks anywhere anytime as they have the sizes and they do all the things you want without the loud sound which I am starting to use less and less
I sparingly used rat l traps, red eye shad and aroshi this past year. Limited time...not even a single bite. Will make an effort to try and use these more this year and try to figure out how to get some hookups.
I throw a lot of red Eye and diamond shad by strike king. Catch me a lot of grass and branches but when the get hit boy it's fun. Read somewhere about the spro might order some to try heard you can burn them with out it rolling on one side
The Spro Aruka shad yo-yoed in the spring is my go to bait. I've tried them all and it out produces them 3-1 I use the 75 size and will be using the new 65 size as well. Perch is the hot color for me but they all work. the other lipless I use is the Live target bluegill, it can be really hot when the bass want a smaller profile
I use the Bill Lewis lipless cranks the most, but last year I bought some used traps from another member and one was the Duo Realis Vibration lipless crankbait. Last year in a small club tournament the Duo lipless was amazing, and was putting fish in the boat on a 2:1 ratio against the boater who was throwing a SK RES. It's definitely worth looking at.
I love lipless crankbaits! All of them. I probably have a dozen different makers represented in my tackle box. There are subtle differences in action, fall rate, etc., and any of them will catch fish at the right time. I've narrowed my color selection down somewhat, but what works for me is: chrome w/ blue or black back, sexy shad (and other shad-like colors) red craw, chartreuse/black back and pure black.
I'd recommend trying a variety of brands and colors until you discover what works best in your favorite fishin' hole.
Tom
These things are one of the best fish catchers there is. You should have at least a whole box of them. I have had luck with rat-l-traps and cotton cordels. Just got in a shipment with some others to give a try come open water.
On 1/11/2015 at 11:16 AM, whitwolf said:In the past I haven't thrown many lipless baits but I plan to change that this year. It would be great to hear a number of opinions on any lipless baits. Thanks!
Here's some lipless crank 101 stuff that is almost never mentioned.
Depth: Lipless cranks of the same weight want to live in different levels on the water column. To oversimplify it, wide wobbling broad baits want to run shallower than narrower, tighter wobbling baits.
For example, the Super Spot is a breeze to keep up top and a Rippin Rap is very easy to keep deep. The neat thing about the Red Eye is that it can be made to run at almost any depth, from just under the surface to 20+ feet deep on a normal retrieve and is basically a 'countdown' bait.
Falling action: Not all lipless cranks fall the same and the differences in the way 2 baits fall can sometimes make the difference between putting fish in the boat or not.
Belly down wiggle: Red Eye
Turn on it's side: RatLTrap
Nose down glide: Rattling Rapala
Sound Profile: Lipless cranks are pretty noisy things and there is a lot of variation the types of sounds the baits can emit
Glass beads: high pitched sound
Steel beads: lower pitched than glass
Lead beads: soft low pitch
Knocker: either a soft or loud low pitch depending on material
I don't know of any guide that breaks the baits down based of depth, falling action and sound so it takes a bit of trial and error to figure out how a newly purchased lipless crank falls, where it like to be in the water column and what it sounds like. Even if you do figure out what type of bait you prefer, it still pays to have other types in the boat. I've seen days where I can either get bit letting a Trap flutter or burning a Super Spot just under the surface. Knowing how the baits behave, having a variety of bats and throwing them at fish to see what they want out of a bait is a pretty fool proof way to fish lipless cranks.
Strike King Red Eye Shad in Sexy Shad color.
Clackin' Rap is pretty good.
duo realis g fix is insanely thin and sexy looking. I love it and the fish too.
There are quite a few quality lipless crankbait brands. I think a mix that includes rattle, one knocker, and silent types is a good idea. I would add to that suspending, slow sinking, and faster sinking models. I do not have the models to cover all of these areas yet but this is what I do have: Rat 'L' Traps in 1/2 and 3/4 oz (sinking and rattling), Red Eye Shad in 1/2 oz (sinking, silent and rattling), Cordell Spot in 1/2 oz (sinking and rattling), and Spro Aruka Shad in 1/2 and 5/8 oz (sinking and rattling). I plan to add Xcalibur one-knockers and some Sebile Flat Shad suspending models to my baits this year.
Have any of you have the same experience as me. A Red Eyed Shad will wiggle when falling. I can hear it going tick,tick,tick when I fish in a john boat . I bought a whole bunch of them because of it .A Rattle Trap ,on the other hand , just flops over and I catch a lot more fish on it. Again ,if Im in the john boat I can hear the fish smack the Trap .
If you have a flat with vegetation on it, down to 7' or so, there is potential for a rattle bait bite. Deeper than 7' and I think that other options are better. My first choice is a Berkley Frenzy (long since discontinued) in a shiny, shad like color. I have 4 of them left. Second choice would be a Cordell Spot. I have some of the old Rappala Rattlin Rap baits, in an assortment of colors and sizes, but they haven't gotten wet in a couple of years. Same for the assortment of Red Eye shads, Diamond Shads, Original Rattle Traps. I do have a Yo-Zuri Hardcore Drum in a shiny baitfish color that I will pull out in water that has recently become stained. No particular reason other than it has worked in that situation in the past.
I throw these baits on 17 or 20 lb mono. The rod I currently use is a Falcon Bucco "trap caster" and I am pretty happy with the sensitivity and the distance I get out of this rod. If I was limited on rods, I'd use this rods for square bills, spinnerbaits, buzz baits, anything relatively shallow where I wanted a moving bait, but I'm not so I don't. I use different rods for each of those baits.
Being its soon to be rattle bait season...Im stocking up on XR50s for me. I've always caught more fish consistently on 2 maybe 3 colors of xr50s...COMPARED to having almost every SK Redeye color...that may catch or get thrown at all rarely. Because of the quality I throw XR50s EXCEPT for the SK chrome sexy redeye shad TO SUM IT UP
If you are looking at them side by side cost the same (give or take a little), buy a Xcalibur for the quality and maybe a few SK redeyes, like the chromes and sexys. I always change my hook to Mustad KVD #4 2x Short Shank aka Triple Grips out of the box...no matter the brand, purely because the EWG style treble has a better hookup ratio, IMO.
BUT
If you only buy 2 colors in the xr50 model BUY A RAYBURN RED & Chrome Blueback Original Chrome being the most versatile color but prespawn rayburn red especially around submerged vegetation...you'll load the boat!!!
On 1/11/2015 at 11:35 AM, Siebert Outdoors said:I really like the spros. They are one of my favorites.
On 1/11/2015 at 12:43 PM, Siebert Outdoors said:Mostly the 65
What are your favourite colors?
On 1/11/2015 at 8:37 PM, scaleface said:Rattle Traps . Bounce them off the bottom.
What a difference three years makes . My answer now is Red Eye Shad , bounce them off the bottom .
On 11/14/2017 at 8:40 AM, Skspacemonkey said:
What are your favourite colors?
Old Glory and Blue Shiner
Aruku Shad Cell Mate
Picking just one is tough to do. I like the Red Eye Shad, Aruku, Xcalibur, 6th Sense, Bill Lewis and the old SK Diamond Shads have been working for me lately. There are a ton of them out there just pick up a few of each brand and run them to see which one(s) work best.
As others have mentioned, note the hooks on each (some come with great hooks, some do not) and swap them out as needed.
On 1/11/2015 at 11:35 AM, Siebert Outdoors said:I really like the spros. They are one of my favorites.
What colors do you prefer by spro?
On 11/15/2017 at 12:25 AM, Siebert Outdoors said:Old Glory and Blue Shiner
^^This was his response the first time you asked
On 1/13/2018 at 10:33 PM, Skspacemonkey said:What colors do you prefer by spro?
my favourites are
On 1/14/2018 at 2:53 PM, Bluebasser86 said:^^This was his response the first time you asked
Aha didn’t even realize
Nobody mention the bayou boogie? Also, I can't speak to this in person, but I've heard the king spot by cotton Cordell was the beat all end all and is no longer produced
Whitwolf, as you can note, you have hit a nerve with the Forum members.
I like the KVD Red Eyed Shad lipless crankbaits for tournament fishing and the Rat-L-Traps for fun and pond fishing.
And there are three types of lipless crankbaits:
Rattles - bass are aggressive
One-Knockers - normal fishing and bass activity
No Rattles - pressured waters
At times you may need the "thumping" sound and there are times when you don't.
Some of the pros upsize the front hook while others change out to one red hook.
If fishing grass, you may want to remove the rear hook to reduce picking up grass.
And then you have to realize that you need to know the depth you are throwing the lipless crankbaits and use the ones that go deeper than the depth so they will hit the bottom. Of course, you can try different depths to find the fish and then stay in that depth and lipless crankbait until the bite stops.
You also need a "crankbait specific" rod around seven feet and either a medium or medium heavy. Remember to swing the rod left or right to set the hook.
We could go into line, reel ratios, colors and a lot more but you asked about specific lipless crankbaits and as stated, I like the 1/2 ounce KVD Red Eyed Shad lipless crankbaits.
On 1/16/2015 at 12:35 PM, prjavelin said:duo realis g fix is insanely thin and sexy looking. I love it and the fish too.
I like the spro but been eyeing these for a bit. Any detailed feedback?
Whew this was an old thread, but hey no one can gripe about not using the search function. Looks like he dug this one out of the grave. Lol it’s all good and fun though so... I’ve always had good luck with the Bill Lewis, Cotton Cordell, Red Eyes, and this year I’ve been using the Arashi’s. They are different but I like them. My only complaint is they have limited colors and only one size.
On 1/15/2018 at 10:54 AM, TnRiver46 said:Nobody mention the bayou boogie?
I still use them occasionally and should use them more .
I had an awesome day in Ohio crawling an xcaliber on the bottom.
Weighed in 20 lbs for 4 fish and had a 5lber die in the livewell.(tongue hooked)
My dad threw everything in the tacklebox and couldnt get a keeper.
After moving to TN, my partner got on to a school of bass and was slaying them with a red eye shad.
I couldn't buy a bite with the xcaliber and kept trying to force feed them it.
After being here 7 years, I've only caught a couple bass on the xcaliber and neither was hooked in the mouth.
So it's a red eye shad for me down here.
On 1/11/2015 at 11:42 AM, whitwolf said:Mike, what size(s) do you like?
I like the 3/8 for most of my fishing. Especially the smallies.
I have been having a blast with this 1.5 oz beast - Magnum Gillsonic by Imakatsu.
Threw the Redeye in Sexy Shad last fall and had some fun.
The Cordell Spot is a very economical option though.
Jackall TN lipless are my favorite
Yozuri rattl'n vibe
Lucky Craft LV500