Rage Rig??? 2024
STPC reply :
I keep reading different posts about rigging all of the Rage Tail baits "rage rigged." Maybe I looked over something while looking at all of the diagrams/pictures on the Rage Tail website, but it looks to me that it's just a weightless T-rig. Am I missing something here???
iabass8 reply :
The rage rig consists of texas rigged the bait /w a weighted swimbait type hook.
roadwarrior reply :
The Rage Rig is a weighted hook.
https://www.google.com/search?q=rage+rig&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ahyNU5__EYKAqgatp4DIDA&ved=0CB8QsAQ&biw=1536&bih=884
STPC reply :
Thanks for info. I read the suggested rigging for the Eeliminator and it specifically stated not to use a keel-weighted hook. I guess I just took that idea and applied it to all of the Rage baits (confused myself).
Comfortably Numb reply :
This has been my goto rig this year. Does not neccesarily have to be a Rage bait. They skip well too.
Big-O reply :
It's OK to RAGE RIG the Eeliminator if an increased fall rate is needed to for the bite. The Eeliminator side to side body and head movement is better with it rigged weightless.
roadwarrior reply :
On 6/3/2014 at 8:42 PM, Big-O said:It's OK to RAGE RIG the Eeliminator if an increased fall rate is needed to for the bite. The Eeliminator side to side body and head movement is better with it rigged weightless.
If you are fishing deep tie a Carolina rig and you will get all or at least most of the action from the bait.
Comfortably Numb reply :
On 6/3/2014 at 8:42 PM, Big-O said:It's OK to RAGE RIG the Eeliminator if an increased fall rate is needed to for the bite. The Eeliminator side to side body and head movement is better with it rigged weightless.
Ahhhh, whatta you know? 
Big-O reply :
On 6/3/2014 at 10:07 PM, roadwarrior said:If you are fishing deep tie a Carolina rig and you will get all or at least most of the action from the bait.
Exactly! The Eeliminator was designed to be a C Rig bait and/or topwater. You can now order the Eeliminator directly from RageTail. For now just email info@ragetail.com and list your color choice and number of packages required. Our office will contact you back for shipping inst etc 
STPC reply :
On 6/3/2014 at 8:42 PM, Big-O said:It's OK to RAGE RIG the Eeliminator if an increased fall rate is needed to for the bite. The Eeliminator side to side body and head movement is better with it rigged weightless.
Well if The Big-O says it's ok, then I believe I can take it to the bank.
Thanks for all the input/info., any help is always appreciated.
TorqueConverter reply :
So the "rage rig" is just a keel weighted swimbait hook? That's a bit of letdown.
iabass8 reply :
Were you expecting unicorns to tow your boat too...
TorqueConverter reply :
On 6/4/2014 at 9:36 AM, iabass8 said:Were you expecting unicorns to tow your boat too...
Maybe you can rename the ball head jig something asinine while you're at it?
iabass8 reply :
On 6/4/2014 at 10:34 AM, TorqueConverter said:Maybe you can rename the ball head jig something asinine while you're at it?
If you are insinuating the rage rig is asinine, your comaprison to the ball head jig doesn't make sense.
If you are just asking for a different name for a ball head jig, I'm sure you're more than capable of using the search engine of your choice to crack that code.
TorqueConverter reply :
On 6/4/2014 at 10:42 AM, iabass8 said:If you are insinuating the rage rig is asinine, your comaprison to the ball head jig doesn't make sense.
If you are just asking for a different name for a ball head jig, I'm sure you're more than capable of using the search engine of your choice to crack that code.
Rage rig = a swimbait hook. Calling a swimbait hook a "rage rig" is more than a bit silly and so is arguing about it over the internet when I come of think of it.
iabass8 reply :
On 6/4/2014 at 10:54 AM, TorqueConverter said:Rage rig = a swimbait hook. Calling a swimbait hook a "rage rig" is more than a bit silly and so is arguing about it over the internet when I come of think of it.
What is silly is that you for some reason think a rage rig is swimbait hook.......
A rage rig is simply USING weighted hook to present a plastic bait (in this case a rage craw) horizontally on a slow fall rather than vertically /w a traditional pegged texas rig.
You can present a present a texas rigged rage craw /w a hook and a bell sinker attached to the hook in the same manner. This would still be considered a "rage rig,"
Janderson45 reply :
On 6/4/2014 at 11:18 AM, iabass8 said:
What is silly is that you for some reason think a rage rig is swimbait hook.......
A rage rig is simply USING weighted hook to present a plastic bait (in this case a rage craw) horizontally on a slow fall rather than vertically /w a traditional pegged texas rig.
You can present a present a texas rigged rage craw /w a hook and a bell sinker attached to the hook in the same manner. This would still be considered a "rage rig,"
I'm curious (as I'm new to the term "rage rig" as well) is using a weighted swimbait hook on a soft plastic swimbait also called a "rage rig" or does it have to be a rage tail bait to be called a rage rig?
I understand the concept behind the rig of course, i just fished a caffeine shad this way last weekend, and the slight weight underneath the bait gives a unique action that the fish love, and allows you to work it fairly quickly in a horizontal fashion. Just curious about the terminology..
TorqueConverter reply :
On 6/4/2014 at 11:18 AM, iabass8 said:
What is silly is that you for some reason think a rage rig is swimbait hook.......
A rage rig is simply USING weighted hook to present a plastic bait (in this case a rage craw) horizontally on a slow fall rather than vertically /w a traditional pegged texas rig.
You can present a present a texas rigged rage craw /w a hook and a bell sinker attached to the hook in the same manner. This would still be considered a "rage rig,"
There is a line that needs to be crossed to call something a ____Rig. A swmbait hook does not cross this line. A bell sinker on hook certainly and especially if the free moving bell sinker does something significant. I've been fishing creatures and tubes on belly weighted swimbait hooks for a while now and love it. It's just another hook type.
iabass8 reply :
No. That is not a rage rig.
It doesnt have to be a rage tail bait.
As i said before, a rage rig is a way of presenting a bait..
Big-O reply :
If anyone is actually interested, where and how the Rage Rig came about... this may be an interesting read.
http://www.ragetail.com/news/rigging-info/the-rage-rig/
iabass8 reply :
I give up with you torque.....im not sure what you dont get but it clearly isn't getting through.
deaknh03 reply :
Thread is DUN. Thanks Big O!
TorqueConverter reply :
On 6/4/2014 at 11:33 AM, iabass8 said:I give up with you torque.....im not sure what you dont get but it clearly isn't getting through.
I understand you perfectly. You believe a rig to be a presentation, but this is simply not true. A "rage rig" is no more a rig than a Texas Rig'd ribbon tail Power Worm is a "Power Rig" or a Yum F2 Salamander on a ball head jig is an "F2 Rig". A "rig" specifically refers to a terminal tackle configuration. You can place any soft plastic onto any rig because a ___Rig is a terminal tackle configuration. I can place any soft plastic onto a Texas, weedless, wacky, Florida, Carolina ect Rig.
A rig is terminal tackle specific and cannot be soft plastic name brand specific because if we were to do this then all Texas rigs would become Berkly Powerbait Tequila Sunrise Rigs and all wacky rigs becoming GYCB Senko rigs. The "Rage Rig" is not one, but two, things that break the fundamental tenants of tackle designation.
#1 there is nothing new here at the terminal tackle level. It's a keel weighted hook, AKA swimbait hook
#2 it specifically states that only Rage Tail brand baits must be used to be considered a "rage rig".
No other rig on planet earth attempts to claim that only one and one only brand of soft plastics is to be considered part of the alleged "rig" and certainly not doing so while contributing nothing new at the terminal tackle level.
One does not simply take a hook and stick a particular name brand of plastic on it and call it a new rig type. This is not to be tolerated. Believe it or not, we have standards.
STPC reply :
Wow! I didn't mean to open up such a big can of worms w/this thread; just wanted a simple answer. TomAto, tomOtto...if you like the presentation the Rage rig gives your soft plastics then by all means go ahead and fish it, call it what you want, just as long as you're enjoying time on the water.
Catt reply :
On 6/4/2014 at 3:52 PM, TorqueConverter said:I understand you perfectly. You believe a rig to be a presentation, but this is simply not true. A "rage rig" is no more a rig than a Texas Rig'd ribbon tail Power Worm is a "Power Rig" or a Yum F2 Salamander on a ball head jig is an "F2 Rig". A "rig" specifically refers to a terminal tackle configuration. You can place any soft plastic onto any rig because a ___Rig is a terminal tackle configuration. I can place any soft plastic onto a Texas, weedless, wacky, Florida, Carolina ect Rig.
A rig is terminal tackle specific and cannot be soft plastic name brand specific because if we were to do this then all Texas rigs would become Berkly Powerbait Tequila Sunrise Rigs and all wacky rigs becoming GYCB Senko rigs. The "Rage Rig" is not one, but two, things that break the fundamental tenants of tackle designation.
#1 there is nothing new here at the terminal tackle level. It's a keel weighted hook, AKA swimbait hook
#2 it specifically states that only Rage Tail brand baits must be used to be considered a "rage rig".
No other rig on planet earth attempts to claim that only one and one only brand of soft plastics is to be considered part of the alleged "rig" and certainly not doing so while contributing nothing new at the terminal tackle level.
One does not simply take a hook and stick a particular name brand of plastic on it and call it a new rig type. This is not to be tolerated. Believe it or not, we have standards.
Really! Of everything in the whole world of bass fishing this gets your panties in a wad...HUH!
Big-O reply :
I believe that the Rage Rig article doesn't state that a RageTail bait is necessary to be used when Rage Rigging... And over the years, I've made it extremely clear that most ANY soft plastic (and especially those which are normally T-Rigged, C-Rigged or rigged weightless) can be fished Rage Rigged, with emphasis on the high action soft plastics being more effective in most situations, IMO.
"Keel weighting Hooks" in the distant past were not termed Swimbait hooks as they are today, because neither the hook or the swimbait baitfish style plastics were being produced or utilized at that time. As far as the "Swimbait" hook being the style of the hook used for todays soft plastic swimbaits, this isn't called a SWIMBAIT RIG, as swimbaits are used with any and all styles of hooks ie trebles etc. and come in any and all sizes.
Fishing terms and lingo regarding rigs came from styles of hooking and weighting systems to present baits. As with T-rigs, C-rigs etc., any variety of hooks styles and/or weights can be used, but the individual term and RIG reflects or designates the basic hook and weight position, line attachment, use etc.
I started adding split shot and elongated tag end line weights (squeeze weights) to the belly of the hook many years ago to improve my opportunities in certain conditions to change the fall profile with standard soft plastic worms, creatures etc, which allowed me to catch more fish. This style of rigging is what is now termed Rage Rig and not necessarily fished to SWIM the bait through the variety of depths in the water column, but more over allowing the bait to fall more horizontally through the water column and bottom bump, allowing the bait to maintain the horizontal profile throughout, whether being dragged, jumped, bumped etc. This rig provides less snags in any and all types of bottom structure including grass which allows us to fish the different types of structure more thoroughly and as slow or quickly as the fish tell us they want. Hope that helps and answers a few questions
TorqueConverter reply :
On 6/5/2014 at 1:39 AM, Big-O said:
"Keel weighting Hooks" in the distant past were not termed Swimbait hooks as they are today, because neither the hook or the swimbait baitfish style plastics were being produced or utilized at that time. As far as the "Swimbait" hook being the style of the hook used for todays soft plastic swimbaits, this isn't called a SWIMBAIT RIG, as swimbaits are used with any and all styles of hooks ie trebles etc. and come in any and all sizes.
Fishing terms and lingo regarding rigs came from styles of hooking and weighting systems to present baits. As with T-rigs, C-rigs etc., any variety of hooks styles and/or weights can be used, but the individual term and RIG reflects or designates the basic hook and weight position, line attachment, use etc.
I started adding split shot and elongated tag end line weights (squeeze weights) to the belly of the hook many years ago to improve my opportunities in certain conditions to change the fall profile with standard soft plastic worms, creatures etc, which allowed me to catch more fish. This style of rigging is what is now termed Rage Rig and not necessarily fished to SWIM the bait through the variety of depths in the water column, but more over allowing the bait to fall more horizontally through the water column and bottom bump, allowing the bait to maintain the horizontal profile throughout, whether being dragged, jumped, bumped etc. This rig provides less snags in any and all types of bottom structure including grass which allows us to fish the different types of structure more thoroughly and as slow or quickly as the fish tell us they want. Hope that helps and answers a few questions
So the rage rig predates both the factory produced keel weighted hooks, the Rage Tail brand soft plastics, can be applied to any soft plastic and it is merely coincidence that "swimbait hooks" and Rage Tail plastics are being used today? If so, then I'm wrong, it's a legit rig and swimbait hooks paired with rage tails are being used out of convenience.
I'm curious about where the "rage" in rage rig stems from. Were you fishing your unnamed rig one day on a Rage Tail plastic and it dawned on you? How upset does hook companies making money off your idea of keel weighted hooks make you?
Big-O reply :
On 6/5/2014 at 3:22 AM, TorqueConverter said:How upset does hook companies making money off your idea of keel weighted hooks make you?
It doesn't and I have no idea as to others who may have been as OCD as myself and could have been doing the same as I... But I am happy that I don't have to pinch weights on the belly of the hook any longer
As to your thought "swimbait hooks paired with rage tails are being used out of convenience"... I would have to say that they're being used out of preference.
Where you mention "the rage rig predates both the factory produced keel weighted hooks, the Rage Tail brand soft plastics"... Not sure what is meant here but the Rage Rig name was coined at a previous BR Roadtrip when others saw it's effectiveness by one of my non boaters named STEEZY. It was the culmination of from several previous years of my discussing the use and benefits of this Rig on the Forum. Steezy needed a ride to the Roadtrip and messaged me for assistance. During our travel, he shared with me that he wasn't a very experienced fisherman and asked for advice on what may give him the best opportunity to catch fish regularly regardless of who he fished with. I knew there would be a good shallow bite there and gave him several packs of Summer Craw Rage Craws along with the keel weighted hooks I had been using, then told him how I'd fish it and "Don't put it down"... He put a thrashin on us each and every day regardless of the boat he was in... Great story and Great guy, in fact we were calling it the STEEZY RIG after that
rippin-lips reply :
The guy clearly just likes to stir up stuff. He was downing rage products in another thread saying that they're too soft and blah blah blah. Myself just picked up another 12 packs of craws the other day. Keep on producing awesome products Big-O
TorqueConverter reply :
On 6/5/2014 at 6:02 AM, Big-O said:
As to your thought "swimbait hooks paired with rage tails are being used out of convenience"... I would have to say that they're being used out of preference.
Where you mention "the rage rig predates both the factory produced keel weighted hooks, the Rage Tail brand soft plastics"... Not sure what is meant here but the Rage Rig name was coined at a previous BR Roadtrip when others saw it's effectiveness by one of my non boaters named STEEZY. It was the culmination of from several previous years of my discussing the use and benefits of this Rig on the Forum. Steezy needed a ride to the Roadtrip and messaged me for assistance. During our travel, he shared with me that he wasn't a very experienced fisherman and asked for advice on what may give him the best opportunity to catch fish regularly regardless of who he fished with. I knew there would be a good shallow bite there and gave him several packs of Summer Craw Rage Craws along with the keel weighted hooks I had been using, then told him how I'd fish it and "Don't put it down"... He put a thrashin on us each and every day regardless of the boat he was in... Great story and Great guy, in fact we were calling it the STEEZY RIG after that
Great story. I read an article a while ago about the use of a bell sinker on the hook shank and it was briefly mentioned again in this thread. Is this something you are familiar with and is it considered part of the rage rig?
On 6/5/2014 at 6:18 AM, rippin-lips said:The guy clearly just likes to stir up stuff. He was downing rage products in another thread saying that they're too soft and blah blah blah. Myself just picked up another 12 packs of craws the other day. Keep on producing awesome products Big-O
You are mistaken,
Big-O reply :
On 6/5/2014 at 7:43 AM, TorqueConverter said:Great story. I read an article a while ago about the use of a bell sinker on the hook shank and it was briefly mentioned again in this thread. Is this something you are familiar with and is it considered part of the rage rig?
Heard of that as well but haven't ckd it out or viewed it's application???
jtharris3 reply :
On 6/4/2014 at 10:54 AM, TorqueConverter said:Rage rig = a swimbait hook. Calling a swimbait hook a "rage rig" is more than a bit silly and so is arguing about it over the internet when I come of think of it.
So they call it a rage rig, what's the big deal??
jtharris3 reply :
On 6/4/2014 at 3:52 PM, TorqueConverter said:
One does not simply take a hook and stick a particular name brand of plastic on it and call it a new rig type. This is not to be tolerated. Believe it or not, we have standards.
LOL....are you serious? It's just fishing dude! Lighten up!
tcbass reply :
On 6/5/2014 at 1:39 AM, Big-O said:
"Keel weighting Hooks" in the distant past were not termed Swimbait hooks as they are today, because neither the hook or the swimbait baitfish style plastics were being produced or utilized at that time. As far as the "Swimbait" hook being the style of the hook used for todays soft plastic swimbaits, this isn't called a SWIMBAIT RIG, as swimbaits are used with any and all styles of hooks ie trebles etc. and come in any and all sizes.
Fishing terms and lingo regarding rigs came from styles of hooking and weighting systems to present baits. As with T-rigs, C-rigs etc., any variety of hooks styles and/or weights can be used, but the individual term and RIG reflects or designates the basic hook and weight position, line attachment, use etc.
I started adding split shot and elongated tag end line weights (squeeze weights) to the belly of the hook many years ago to improve my opportunities in certain conditions to change the fall profile with standard soft plastic worms, creatures etc, which allowed me to catch more fish. This style of rigging is what is now termed Rage Rig and not necessarily fished to SWIM the bait through the variety of depths in the water column, but more over allowing the bait to fall more horizontally through the water column and bottom bump, allowing the bait to maintain the horizontal profile throughout, whether being dragged, jumped, bumped etc. This rig provides less snags in any and all types of bottom structure including grass which allows us to fish the different types of structure more thoroughly and as slow or quickly as the fish tell us they want. Hope that helps and answers a few questions
Thanks for the info!
I love Ragetail products and the Ragetail Toad was shown to me by a friend and it is what got me into bass fishing after my entire life of fishing for everything under the sun.
In your honor Big O, I will go buy some new weighted hooks and some Ragetail plastics at Cabelas tomorrow and try a Rage Rig for the first time when I go fishing with my friend. Hopefully I can get him into some fish!
gnuisance reply :
I agree with Torque Converter. I think it is a bit presumptuous to attach a brand name to a fairly basic type of rigging / terminal tackle. The fact that Rage Tail is a sponsor here only muddies the water.
Catch and Grease reply :
This thread was like almost a month old and somebody started the argument again.
Alonerankin2 reply :
I have caught a few fish on a RAGE RIG...in and around Muddied water.....
MarkH024 reply :
On 6/4/2014 at 3:52 PM, TorqueConverter said:One does not simply take a hook and stick a particular name brand of plastic on it and call it a new rig type. This is not to be tolerated. Believe it or not, we have standards.
When you say "WE" who do you speak for and the standards you're implying? I certainly hope you're not referencing the BR community.
Choporoz reply :
While I think it's silly for this to have gotten a little testy, I will say that I don't disagree with Torque. The term 'rage-rigged' was much more confusing to me than 'weighted hook' or something more descriptive. I also had the sense that the term was coined by Rage baits and thrust on this community by RW and others - possibly sacrificing clarity for some association with a specific brand.
I don't see it as a big deal at all - and will welcome the term if it achieves some sort of mass acceptance, but for now, if I say 'rage-rigged' to any other fisherman or tackle merchant that isn't glued to BR, I get strange looks and a need to clarify what could have been clear by saying 'weighted hook' in the first place.
Boomer_bassin reply :
What is a good size weighted hook to start with for this rig?
Alonerankin2 reply :
I simply Beg to Differ , the Term Rage Rig was not Thrust upon me.
Amarley reply :
Whatever you do, do not fish a rage craw on a shaky head, fish WILL NOT bite it, I promise!
crazyjoeclemens reply :
I will admit that the term "rage rig" had me thinking there was much more to the presentation. However, seeing that it's no more than a keel weighted hook does not offend me in any way. As a matter of fact, I will probably put one together with the non-rage products I already have and fish it just the same. When I show it to my fishing buddies, I'll probably still call it the Rage Rig, because whoever came up with it has the right to call it whatever they like. I might have gone with "Purple Unicorn Rig," but, then again, Rage Rig is much more simple...
Tiller reply :
On 6/3/2014 at 4:41 PM, Comfortably Numb said:This has been my goto rig this year. Does not neccesarily have to be a Rage bait. They skip well too.
Who makes this craw?
Thanks,
Joe
Mr_Scrogg reply :
That kinda looks like a craw I picked up at Grand. What I got was called "The Same Thing" or something like that. $2.50/pack
tcbass reply :
On 6/3/2014 at 8:51 AM, iabass8 said:The rage rig consists of texas rigged the bait /w a weighted swimbait type hook.
What size hooks are you guys using with this?
gnuisance reply :
On 6/28/2014 at 1:48 AM, tcbass said:What size hooks are you guys using with this?
I like a 4/0 1/4 oz
iabass8 reply :
On 6/28/2014 at 1:48 AM, tcbass said:What size hooks are you guys using with this?
usually 1/4oz 4/0.
tcbass reply :
Wha
On 6/28/2014 at 2:48 AM, iabass8 said:usually 1/4oz 4/0.
On 6/28/2014 at 2:00 AM, gnuisance said:I like a 4/0 1/4 oz
What brand hook guys?
I'm not finding ones that are 4/0 and 1/4 oz.
tcbass reply :
On 6/28/2014 at 4:35 AM, tcbass said:Wha
What brand hook guys?
I'm not finding ones that are 4/0 and 1/4 oz.
Anyone know?
iabass8 reply :
On 6/30/2014 at 9:56 AM, tcbass said:Anyone know?
http://www.moanerhooks.com/the-stroker-hook/
tcbass reply :
On 6/30/2014 at 10:44 AM, iabass8 said:http://www.moanerhooks.com/the-stroker-hook/
Thanks!
Anyone like Gammy, Owner, or VMC that I can buy at like Cabelas or Gander? I don't want to have to order them online and pay shipping.
If this is the only company that makes them that size and it has to be ordered online I'd rather use a different size one that I can just pick up at a store. And if that's the case, what size should I get?
I think I know saw mainstream brands in 5/0 1/4 oz.
Alonerankin2 reply :
Well not 1/4 but.... Owner twistlock 5/0 with cps and weighted @ 3/32 this works well Rage rigging got my stuff at BPS
tcbass reply :
On 6/30/2014 at 11:38 AM, Alonerankin2 said:Well not 1/4 but.... Owner twistlock 5/0 with cps and weighted @ 3/32 this works well Rage rigging got my stuff at BPS
Cool.
Is 3/32 similar to 1/4 oz?
Mike L reply :
The hook size is bigger, the molded weight will be smaller as it is lighter.
Since the hook size is bigger the overall weight might be pretty close .
I hope I understood your question correctly, and helped
Mike
tcbass reply :
On 6/30/2014 at 11:42 PM, Mike L said:The hook size is bigger, the molded weight will be smaller as it is lighter.
Since the hook size is bigger the overall weight might be pretty close .
I hope I understood your question correctly, and helped
Mike
That makes perfect sense. Thanks for clarifying that for me. I'll go to the local store and look for some 3/32 5/0 weighted hooks.
Alonerankin2 reply :
It's a bit lighter... 3/32
tcbass reply :
I'm not seeing 3/32 oz as an option either.
Here's a list from Owner. The other hook companies like Gammy and VMC seem to also have very limited hook and weight combinations. This is like what I'm seeing.
iabass8 reply :
If you can find the mustad hook at walmart, it has an adjustable weight on the hook . If used it without issues.
iabass8 reply :
If you can find the mustad hook at walmart, it has an adjustable weight on the hook . If used it without issues.
Jrob78 reply :
Falcon Lures also makes a good keel weighted hook in 1/4 oz 4/0.
Alonerankin2 reply :
Here they are,
tcbass reply :
On 7/1/2014 at 2:26 AM, Alonerankin2 said:Here they are,
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Thanks!
I'll have to check at Gander. The Cabelas I went to is one of the new smaller stores and doesn't have the biggest selection.
Alonerankin2 reply :
No problem, I picked those up at Bps, sat. They are low on stock on the weighted hooks... Good luck, I use several other styles too... But I like the lighter wire of the owner about best ... For 12 to 15 pd. just me!
tcbass reply :
On 7/1/2014 at 2:35 AM, Alonerankin2 said:No problem, I picked those up at Bps, sat. They are low on stock on the weighted hooks... Good luck, I use several other styles too... But I like the lighter wire of the owner about best ... For 12 to 15 pd. just me!
What is 12 to 15 pd?
Alonerankin2 reply :
Line... Sorry
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