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Catt reply :
Who makes a braided line that aint "wire" like Power Pro or Fireline?
IndianaFinesse reply :
Gliss.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
x2 on Gliss but I would only use it on spinning gear personally.
Gundog reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 12:07 AM, IndianaFinesse said:Gliss.
On 8/31/2017 at 12:24 AM, Chance_Taker4 said:x2 on Gliss but I would only use it on spinning gear personally.
What about all the bad reviews on how it isn't very abrasion resistant? A good 75% of the reviews are negative.
Big Bait Fishing reply :
Gamma Torque spectra , after two-three trips it gets pretty soft
J Francho reply :
Tuf-Line Supercast. PM me, and I can probably dig up a sample.
IndianaFinesse reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 12:27 AM, Gundog said:
What about all the bad reviews on how it isn't very abrasion resistant? A good 75% of the reviews are negative.
That's just because of it's tiny diameter. 20 pound gliss is equivalent in strength and diameter to about ten pound normal braid. So if you normally run twenty pound braid, use about fourty pound gliss. And if you use a mono/flouro leader, that eliminates the problem altogether.
Gundog reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 12:45 AM, IndianaFinesse said:That's just because of it's tiny diameter. 20 pound gliss is equivalent in strength and diameter to about ten pound normal braid. So if you normally run twenty pound braid, use about fourty pound gliss. And if you use a mono/flouro leader, that eliminates the problem altogether.
Got ya.
Catt reply :
OK guys I aint using no leader & I want something in the 20-25# range to be used in moderate to heavy cover on a bait caster.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 12:27 AM, Gundog said:
What about all the bad reviews on how it isn't very abrasion resistant? A good 75% of the reviews are negative.
almost all those reviews are positive, *** also gives it a positive review as well as European writers. The only negative I know of is knot strength because of how slippery it is but a double uni knot fixes that.
J Francho reply :
I'll dig for it in my line bin. Supercast is a mono core, fused micro filament outer sleeve, that has an abrasion resistant coating that aids in knot strength. It handles a lot like mono, though not exactly. Other notable feature, it floats, and doesn't absorb water. I like it for mats and topwater. It's basically twice the strength of similar diameter mono, so 20# line is like 10# mono. Not as drastic as true braids, but still features zero stretch.
Gundog reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 12:53 AM, Chance_Taker4 said:almost all those reviews are positive, *** also gives it a positive review as well as European writers. The only negative I know of is knot strength because of how slippery it is but a double uni knot fixes that.
The reviews on TW weren't very positive. Most mentioned broken line/ lost lures as the reason for the complaint. But I do see how the diameter would affect that.
J Francho reply :
I rarely, if ever see a review on a store site that is relevant to my fishing, or even genuine.
sully420 reply :
The stiffness in Power Pro goes away after about 15 minutes of use.
Team9nine reply :
Toray Super Braid (a.k.a. Power Finesse) or Daiwa Samurai Braid would be the first two I look for...
Preytorien reply :
YGK Soul X-8 Upgrade
Just started using that stuff......insane
WRB reply :
The softest braid I know of is Daiwa Samuari however the green dye runs like most other brands. I use and recommend Fins braid, polyurethane coated doesn't have a dye issue and very manageable line.
Tom
Chance_Taker4 reply :
My next suggestion is Vicious No Fade Braid. That's the braid I use on my casting reels. I find it is very manageable and soft.
roadwarrior reply :
Hmm...
Seaguar Smackdown
fishwizzard reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 2:07 AM, Preytorien said:YGK Soul X-8 Upgrade
Just started using that stuff......insane
I got some of this stuff a year or so back but I messed something up and got a spool of line that was literally thinner than my hair. It was so fine that with calloused fingers I honestly had trouble feeling it. I spooled it on my UL spinning combo and hit the river. It cast further than anything i have used before but that first wind know was a showstopper. I was also so light and limp that I struggled to tie knots in it.
Also the thread title made me think for a second that this brand was revived and was now making fishing gear;
OkobojiEagle reply :
I happen to like the 10lb fused Fireline on my spinning reels, but have used 20lb Spiderwire Ultra-cast happily on my baitcasting reels. I don't want my PE line so soft it "fluffs" on the spool. Stick with the white color...
oe
Catt reply :
Absolutely no Spiderwire, Power Pro, or Fire Line!
Color bleeding aint a concern since the bass round here aint line shy.
JustinJ reply :
Power pro. It's stiff for the first few casts. If you want a smoother braid look at suffix 832 or power pro super slick. I've had fraying issues with both those lines though.
MichaelCopeland reply :
I've been using Sufix 832 advanced superline featuring Gore performance fibers. 8 braided fibers 32 weaves per inch. I use 40lb same diameter as 10lb mono. It's some pretty tough and abrasion resistant braid. Casts really well on my Lew's spinning gear and cuts through weeds and grass pretty good too. Still have Power Pro Spectra on my other two spinning rods but will eventually change it to the Sufix 832.
sully420 reply :
Sunline fx2 is really limp right out of the box
Bluebasser86 reply :
I've been really happy with KastKing Super Braid, and it's really cheap.
CroakHunter reply :
Been please with my daiwa j-braid x4. It cuts vegetation well and casts well. I have experience with the 30lb and 50lb.
dwh4784 reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 8:35 AM, Catt said:Absolutely no Spiderwire, Power Pro, or Fire Line!
Color bleeding aint a concern since the bass round here aint line shy.
You just axed the only three I have ever used. I've never had any issues with braided line other than the original Spiderwire sucked on spinning reels. I use 14lb Fireline or 20lb PP on my spinning reels now, and 50lb Spiderwire or PP on the baitcasters. The local shop is really pushing the Vicious brand, not sure I have any reason to switch though. I definitely will not try the KastKing just because I don't like the way they spammed this forum with alts hawking their products with 1 post users spouting fake reviews on this thread.
NHBull reply :
Gamma and smackdown are my choice for that reason.
I use 832 when I need something to sink faster
Dens228 reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 1:32 AM, sully420 said:The stiffness in Power Pro goes away after about 15 minutes of use.
I was going to say the same.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 2:07 AM, Preytorien said:YGK Soul X-8 Upgrade
Just started using that stuff......insane
Isn't that stuff in the same boat as Gliss? I mean super thin diameter and slippery making it ideal for spinning reels not so much casting reels.
On 8/31/2017 at 5:34 PM, dwh4784 said:You just axed the only three I have ever used. I've never had any issues with braided line other than the original Spiderwire sucked on spinning reels. I use 14lb Fireline or 20lb PP on my spinning reels now, and 50lb Spiderwire or PP on the baitcasters. The local shop is really pushing the Vicious brand, not sure I have any reason to switch though. I definitely will not try the KastKing just because I don't like the way they spammed this forum with alts hawking their products with 1 post users spouting fake reviews on this thread.
I've switched most of my line over to Vicious. I love their No Fade Braid and Elite Pro Fluorocarbon. To me mono is mono no mater what company you go with and I still like Gliss on my spinning combos.
J Francho reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 5:34 PM, dwh4784 said:You just axed the only three I have ever used. I've never had any issues with braided line other than the original Spiderwire sucked on spinning reels. I use 14lb Fireline or 20lb PP on my spinning reels now, and 50lb Spiderwire or PP on the baitcasters. The local shop is really pushing the Vicious brand, not sure I have any reason to switch though. I definitely will not try the KastKing just because I don't like the way they spammed this forum with alts hawking their products with 1 post users spouting fake reviews on this thread.
They are a sponsor. The company also happens to be local to me. Please explain what you mean by "fake reviews." Because I've actually been using the braid, as have quite a few others here.
wdp reply :
Ok, @Catt I gotta ask. What has made you decide to try some braid? I've been on here long enough to know you're the biggest of fans for Big Game and that's all you use. ?
FWIW, I've always been a fan of PP. I know lotta people dislike it, but I've tried a number of other brands and always go back to the original PP. 10-20 lb works well on my spinning reels & 30 lb works well for my baitcasters. Like you, I have no desire to tie on leader material - I use straight braid. Even my shaky head rod is straight 10 lb PP.
Catt reply :
@wdp
I've fished braided Cotton, Dacron, Micron, Suture Material (Silk), Micro Dyneema®, Kevlar, & Spectra.
I do use braid for punching & besides I'm always tinkering with something ?
J Francho reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 10:32 PM, Catt said:I'm always tinkering with something
Crochet? Kastking has pretty pink braid you might like! 
wdp reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 10:32 PM, Catt said:@wdp
I've fished braided Cotton, Dacron, Micron, Suture Material (Silk), Micro Dyneema®, Kevlar, & Spectra.
I do use braid for punching & besides I'm always tinkering with something ?
?
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 9:43 PM, J Francho said:
They are a sponsor. The company also happens to be local to me. Please explain what you mean by "fake reviews." Because I've actually been using the braid, as have quite a few others here.
He was talking about the posts from the numerous people that happened to create an account the same day they replied and their only post was on that thread.
BassNJake reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 9:43 PM, J Francho said:
They are a sponsor. The company also happens to be local to me. Please explain what you mean by "fake reviews." Because I've actually been using the braid, as have quite a few others here.
I believe what he is talking about is that there are 4 posters supporting kast king braid and they have only posted once. With tens of thousands lines, lures, rods and all other equipment mentioned on this site, they magically became aware of this thread and then posted their review on it. Yet have no other opinion on anything else.
I can see why people are calling those "fake" reviews as only posting once gives no credibility
However, there are a lot of reviews about their braid from legitimate members
I try to look and read those reviews and just ignore reviews from people that have no other opinion
Glenn reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 10:59 PM, BassNJake said:However, there are a lot of reviews about their braid from legitimate members
I try to look and read those reviews and just ignore reviews from people that have no mother opinion
^^ THIS ^^
I guess 1 post from 5 months ago from a new member has a greater impact on a few people than many other posts from seasoned members since then.
To each his own.
fishwizzard reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 10:32 PM, Catt said:@wdp
Suture Material (Silk)
Man, if I could get silk line to work on my BFS trout combo I could really out-snob the fly fishing guys with their trashy plastic lines.
CTBassin860 reply :
Daiwa J-Braid x8. Almost to soft though.
WRB reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 8:35 AM, Catt said:Absolutely no Spiderwire, Power Pro, or Fire Line!
Color bleeding aint a concern since the bass round here aint line shy.
It's isn't color change, it's the excess dye coming off until the excess is washed off. Samuari is dark green and stays dark green after the excess dye washes off.
I like Fins PRT, good out of the box. If you like 8 carrier braid the Fins XS (extra smooth) is 0.0010 larger dia; 20/.011, 30/.012 vs PRT 20/.010, 30/.011. Diawa Samuari 20/.009, 30/.010.
Tom
Catt reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 11:59 PM, WRB said:It's isn't color change, it's the excess dye coming off until the excess is washed off. Samuari is dark green and stays dark green after the excess dye washes off.
I like Fins PRT, good out of the box. If you like 8 carrier braid the Fins XS (extra smooth) is 0.0010 larger dia; 20/.011, 30/.012 vs PRT 20/.010, 30/.011. Diawa Samuari 20/.009, 30/.010.
Tom
Excessive dye, color bleeding, or whatever ya wanna call it is of no concern to me or the uneducated bass round here.
Braided cotton was white, the first TUF Line I used was white, & guess what, it still caught fish.
Paul Roberts reply :
Two I'm using now most are Daiwa J-Braid-8 and Spiderwire Stealth. Both are soft. I've used the Stealth since it first came out and its the line I use most for high vis conditions in shallow water bc it lands so softly. J-Braid is fine for the same purpose too.
I know what you mean about PP, and especially Fireline, being stiff. The only one I've used and stopped using is Fireline. I actually don't understand that stuff. It takes forever to soften.
A5BLASTER reply :
Catt, since I know the areas you fish down south I'm going too ask.
What kind of secret rig you trying to work up for them marsh bass?
WRB reply :
On 9/1/2017 at 2:37 AM, Catt said:
Excessive dye, color bleeding, or whatever ya wanna call it is of no concern to me or the uneducated bass round here.
Braided cotton was white, the first TUF Line I used was white, & guess what, it still caught fish.
The dye bothers me by getting all over my hands and clothes not the bass.
Tom
MichaelCopeland reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 10:33 PM, J Francho said:
Crochet? Kastking has pretty pink braid you might like!
Lmbo! ??
Bassguytom reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 4:14 PM, CroakHunter said:Been please with my daiwa j-braid x4. It cuts vegetation well and casts well. I have experience with the 30lb and 50lb.
I have been using Diawa j-braid also and like it a lot.
perd reply :
On 9/1/2017 at 8:37 AM, Bassguytom said:I have been using Diawa j-braid also and like it a lot.
I three like j-braid, but my go to is suffix 832.
I used to like powerpro then I started having a lot of problems with it, ditched it and couldn't be happier.
primetime reply :
TUF Line is not only priced really good, but is a HoneyWell Spectra weave made in America by Western Filament. Power Pro green box is for sure like wire & rough, that is a tight 4 strand spectra weave. If you go with any of the 8 strands like Power Pro plus you get a much softer, different animal all together.
Power Pro Plus is great on casting reels, but pound for pound I go with Tuf Line. XP is a 6 strand weave, soft, spectra, and 300 yards is only about $20.
The newer Tuf Line called "domino" I believe, is also really good line, especially for the price. I just grabbed a bunch of packs on clearance in the green 4 strand 275yd boxes which is actually easy to cast, round, and much smoother than PP. The red box which is 8 strand is really nice, and for the price I would say it is hard to find a "Better" Braid.
Suffix 832 is the only 8 strand that I am not a fan of, kind of stiff, but lots of people love it. Tuf Line Xp has a 25lb with 7lb diameter, 20 with 6, and 30 is 8dia? but good on casting reels. Color comes off every braid I have used, that is what sharpies are for.
Dyneema is a trademark for a Japanese Company, SPectra with Honeywell, if a box does not have one of those 2 symbols on it, I wonder what is actually in the line. PE coatings and fibers on many top brands are not actually Spectra or Dyneema so I can't see spending the money.
I don't consider Fireline a braid, it is more a "Coated braid" or Superline, kind of like original spider wire. I hate that stuff on casting reels, but for spinning it is alright but check out TUF LINE for sure.
Fins braid is really popular on the Saltwater scene, really good in wind, plus they also have a nice pretty pink color.
I tried Gliss and it reminded me of Nanofil meaning it would snap on casts for no apparent reason. Maybe I had bad batches of both, but Gliss is not for casting reels at least not for me.
The one benefit of Power Pro being rough, is it cuts through weeds easy, but then again, I think it is way too loud when pitching cover. I would rather go thicker with PP Plus slick which is much less noisy when it rubs weeds, in wind, I feel like loud braid in cover can be a detriment at times.
I was anti Kast King Braid when it first came out, figured it was just another China braid with random PE fibers, but they now design their own braid, have a 9 strand weave, and they sell a ton of it so people are buying it and I have not read negative reviews in last few years.
dwh4784 reply :
On 8/31/2017 at 10:48 PM, Chance_Taker4 said:He was talking about the posts from the numerous people that happened to create an account the same day they replied and their only post was on that thread.
On 8/31/2017 at 10:59 PM, BassNJake said:I believe what he is talking about is that there are 4 posters supporting kast king braid and they have only posted once. With tens of thousands lines, lures, rods and all other equipment mentioned on this site, they magically became aware of this thread and then posted their review on it. Yet have no other opinion on anything else.
I can see why people are calling those "fake" reviews as only posting once gives no credibility
However, there are a lot of reviews about their braid from legitimate members
I try to look and read those reviews and just ignore reviews from people that have no other opinion
On 8/31/2017 at 9:43 PM, J Francho said:
They are a sponsor. The company also happens to be local to me. Please explain what you mean by "fake reviews." Because I've actually been using the braid, as have quite a few others here.
Yes, I was referring to those single post obviously fake reviews in the thread I linked to. Multiple people pointed it out and yet those posts still remain.
BTW might be an old thread from months ago but none of those accounts have ever posted again.
It very well might be a great product, but I'm turned off by the shenanigans so won't be considering it. Thankfully there are plenty of other options available.
Catt reply :
On 9/1/2017 at 6:22 AM, A5BLASTER said:Catt, since I know the areas you fish down south I'm going too ask.
What kind of secret rig you trying to work up for them marsh bass?
MichaelCopeland reply :
On 9/1/2017 at 6:22 AM, A5BLASTER said:Catt, since I know the areas you fish down south I'm going too ask.
What kind of secret rig you trying to work up for them marsh bass?
Now if he told you it wouldn't be a secret...lol. ?
A5BLASTER reply :
Lol dang and here I was hoping to catch him in a moment of weakness and he would spill the beans lololol.
It's all good if it's for the place I think it is the secret won't last long, every road angler will be talking bout it a week after opening lololol.
I wish I had advice to give you Catt on the braid all I have ever used is power pro.
Good luck buddy keep us posted.
Subaqua Adinterim reply :
On 9/1/2017 at 11:47 AM, primetime said:TUF Line is not only priced really good, but is a HoneyWell Spectra weave made in America by Western Filament.
I have tried this and it works well. The price is reasonable too. $25 for 500 yards from Walmart online shipped direct to local store for free. Originally recommended to me on this site by SirSnookalot a very practical guy that was interested in results from a product more than the hype.
Ktho reply :
I have braid on all my baitcasters and PowerPro is my favorite, but if you wanted to try something else Izorline makes spectra that is pretty similar in feel to PowerPro but you don't have to wait for the coating to come off before it gets limp.
Catt reply :
On 9/2/2017 at 4:23 AM, A5BLASTER said:
It's all good if it's for the place I think it is the secret won't last long, every road angler will be talking bout it a week after opening lololol.
It's open now!
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WRB reply :
On 9/2/2017 at 7:46 AM, Catt said:
It's open now!
Harvey's water has already receded? Hope you are OK!
Tom
Raul reply :
On 8/30/2017 at 11:42 PM, Catt said:Who makes a braided line that aint "wire" like Power Pro or Fireline?
WHAT DA ?!?!?!? .........
Dang ! Have the four horsemen saddled up ?
A5BLASTER reply :
That's right I forget how long it stays open, been too many years since I fished my old stompin waters.
I need to start making a yearly trip back there.
dwh4784 reply :
On 9/1/2017 at 3:51 PM, dwh4784 said:
Yes, I was referring to those single post obviously fake reviews in the thread I linked to. Multiple people pointed it out and yet those posts still remain.
BTW might be an old thread from months ago but none of those accounts have ever posted again.
It very well might be a great product, but I'm turned off by the shenanigans so won't be considering it. Thankfully there are plenty of other options available.
Happy to see that thread finally locked down and the questionable posts deleted. Renews my faith in this forum. Thank you to the BR mod team. This really is THE top notch internet resource for bass fishing without question.
primetime reply :
On 9/2/2017 at 6:49 AM, RichPenNY said:
Dicks has the J Braid by Daiwa and all the Tuf line on clearance right now. 40% off, buy 5 spools get 1 free.
I think I paid $8 for 275 of the new 4force Tuf line 4 strand and so far it fishes awesome, the Domin8 is about $11 after discount but is a smooth 8 strand 125 yards which has been awesome for pitching and flipping.
I remember using the first Tuf Line which was white, thick, and marketed for Muskie, and that line was super reliable. I would imagine the Tuf Line pictured above is probably the XT which is the one I have fished the most and trust 100%. (10/3 is same, and excess inventory at liquidators is usually orange or bright green, so that is a great price for 500 yards.
I guess because Tuf Line does not advertise all over the place people just go ahead and purchase Power Pro even though both are spectra weaves and the new force for spinning and Casting in all tests handles awesome and is much better than Power Pro Imo. Rounder, just as good with abrasions, much quieter, and its breaking strength with a Palomar knot, and regular is 2nd highest of all the braids if I remember correctly.
Power Pro finished not so great, but Tuf-Line also manufactures braid for other companies as well. Not sure who, but they are an OEM from what I have been told. Local shops in Florida all carry Tuf Line & Fins along with Power Pro, only line I never liked from Tuf Line was the Duracast coated line for spinning reels, although it was strong. Braids now vs. 5-10 years ago have all improved, Power Pro seems to be the standard since Pure Fishing can afford to bombard the market and catalogs etc.
Thanks for the post, I have never seen that spool of Tuf Line which is a great deal for 500 yards. Must be something they package for one company.
primetime reply :
Since I have pretty much done an Informercial for Western Filament and Tuf Line, I figured I would do it right....
Since they are the only company working with NASA and are putting their Braid on Mars, why would you fish anything else? Engineers at NASA are not putting Power Pro on any space craft, they are using TUF LINE. Good enough for Space fishing, good enough for simple fishing on earth.
Plus, They put their products in most of the USA military equipment. Tuf Line stops bullets & holds airplanes together. I don't think Kast King Line is down with NASA or the American Military? 15x stronger than Steel. Flat out truth.(with a nice rounded texture for handling wind while casting). Talk about versatility. Made in America.....Kind of rare in the fishing industry with the exception of 90% of soft baits(also made in America) like Keitech USA etc.
http://tuf-line.com/about-us/
I am not affiliated with Tuf Line. However, I would not be opposed to it. I would be willing to blast every board online for some free line, plus I am a true believer.....Moon landing was real, so is Tuf Line. Sign me up.
Catt reply :
Thank y'all for the input!
I selected TUF Line SuperCast & Daiwa J-Braid
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