I am a consumer that will pay for long term function. I dont mind paying more up front if it saves long term. I like honda, sebo, ping, craftsman etc for name brands of stuff i own. Things built it last. I got a coyple ugly stiks which are heavy and lack feel but basically said to be indistructable. I am looking for a spinning reel and baitcaster that will serve me well for many years. I just need a lefty baitcaster, and have no brand loyalty with fishing gear so lmk what is the tank of reels
Zillion on sale at TW. Not sure about spinning, but SirSnookalot has great luck with the durability of his Pflueger reels and he fishes daily in fresh and saltwater. A Dawia Tournament SS is said to be built like a tank, but does not have infinite anti-reverse. Was at Cabela's today and saw that Shimano has some spinning reels for over $1000. Hopefully they would be reliable for many years.
I heard about the zillion being awesome.
The Shimano includes a guide & boat for a week..........Always someone to run around waving the latest most expensive item. Yelling.
I paid the most money possible for a fishing reel. Please step forward & tell me how great I am.
At that price a deposit which is returnable should be included. What if feels ordinary or even worse than less expensive reels.
People give lots of props to Ardent for being built like tanks, but they are definitely not the smoothest right out of the box.
1000 bucks for a reel is crazy. I just want to step up from my walmart gear and not have to buy again for a long time
My most bullet-proof, no-trouble-ever spinning reel is a small Daiwa Whisker 1300 Tournament SS. It is tough as an anvil with a velvet smooth drag. It has been used for several years for inshore saltwater fishing using heavy braid without complaint, though it is sized to be a light freshwater reel.
It doesn't have the most bearings, smoothest feel, or flashy looks, but I trust it to do its job. :-)
Tight lines,
Bob
Calcutta.. A, B, TE, D on bait caster's...
gotta agree on the Calcutta, smooth and powerfull.
On 12/29/2014 at 8:31 AM, jitterbug127 said:1000 bucks for a reel is crazy. I just want to step up from my walmart gear and not have to buy again for a long time
If you want to do this, do what I did: Go Lew's and never look back. Workhorse reels that will last forever. They have all the goodies and are @ a great price point.
On 12/29/2014 at 8:53 AM, jakob1010 said:If you want to do this, do what I did: Go Lew's and never look back. Workhorse reels that will last forever. They have all the goodies and are @ a great price point.
Suggestions for models? I run 3 combos. 1 little spinner for finesse and 2 bc. 1 heavy braid for coverage and one other for everything else
Most durable doesn't mean the most expensive, nor what is popular. Most of all it could never include the name shimano since they do not support their customers with long term parts availability. Baitcasting reel would be Abu Ambassadeur C models. Customizable almost to infinity and parts still available for decades old models. Spinning reel would be the before mentioned Daiwa SS or Penn Spinfisher as they also maintain parts for the customer for decades.
I'm not so sure on the spinning, but they have really great models at a great price if you want one. For braid, a Superduty is more expensive (179) but is great for heavy duty and will last you for years to come. For everything else the base model speed spool (99) should handle it fine.
Assuming freshwater, just about any(not all) 200$ casting reel you buy will last you longer than you probably need it to. As long as you have half a brain(i.e you drop your reel in sand and think dunking it in late/river water is the cleaning solution-it isn't...) and get your reels serviced annually. they will last a while. Since it sounds like you're only getting one, get the one that feels the best in your hand when palming. Constantly adjusting your grip is annoying.
As for the spinning reel, you're just going to start a ticking contest /w this one so I'm not even going to bother /w a brand here. sorry.
Shimano Chronarch 200e and stradic fj
Lew's Super Duty baitcaster is about $140 I think. I see people recommend them for throwing Alabama rigs, massive swimbaits, cranking 10xd, and flipping/pitching super heavy cover. They're built to be durable, hence the name. Has top reviews everywhere I've seen it.
Zillion first choice second choice daiwa advantage htsl. I own both and there great. Most would say tat but I don't and have never owned one. Spinning would be daiwa Sol or advantage, with a certate as a second only due to additional cost. I have beat the hell out of my advantage spinning reel falling down in rivers and hiking down steep banks. It still works great!!!!
I would second the calcutta option.
Also how can one recommend Lew's as a durable option when they really haven't even been around in their new version for all that long....
On 12/29/2014 at 10:51 AM, flyfisher said:I would second the calcutta option.
Also how can one recommend Lew's as a durable option when they really haven't even been around in their new version for all that long....
We've owned a few Lew's for 3 years. Service them ourselves, use them every trip, still as smooth as day one.
On 12/29/2014 at 10:59 AM, jakob1010 said:We've owned a few Lew's for 3 years. Service them ourselves, use them every trip, still as smooth as day one.
Three years is nothing, Calcutta's from 90 are still working, Abu's round reels from the ice age are still around.. That's longevity !
3 yrs aint nothing i got jeans older then that.Calcuttas and abu c series in baitcasters and penn z series in spinning reels and if your lucky enough to find a abu suvuran spinning reel that would last for ever also(the pininion gear rides under the main gear)
Daiwa ss 1300 for spinning. Daiwa Zillion (the discontinued model) for casting.
Impossible question to answer.
I only do spinning reels, fish them 7 days a week and 12 months of the year both in freshwater and saltwater, my stuff gets fished hard. Replaced my Supreme 30 with the same reel after about 6 years of a lot of use, pretty good durability in my book. My other Pfluegers used in freshwater are close to the same age and are like new, they get used a lot too.
Saltwater is different, the environment is much harsher on gear, the fish are bigger, faster and stronger with longer runs, don't care what you buy in time it will need service. High end I'd be looking at a Penn Torque or Daiwa Saltiga, Van Staal is out as the reel isn't that smooth, very over rated IMO. I'd buy no less than a Shimano Stradic fj, any more is reaching into the diminishing return area. It's a good reel but not the most durable, I'd buy another for $125-$150, but wouldn't spend more on it. Smoothest saltwater reels I own are Abu Sorons, being quite a few years old they are getting a little geary. Can't answer the long term durability as the reel isn't that old, Quantum Cabo in the $200 market is my favorite reel. Next light weight SW reel will be a smoke, see how that works out.
On 12/29/2014 at 11:25 AM, Alonerankin2 said:Three years is nothing, Calcutta's from 90 are still working, Abu's round reels from the ice age are still around.. That's longevity !
Working and smooth as day one are two different statements. I've had Shimano reels, and ice had the anti reverse go out, and not be able to get the parts. The only reel I know that has lasted that long is my dad's ProCaster. And I garuntee I'm still using my Lew's 10 years from now.
Spinning
Top choice Stella 2500 FI http://www.cabelas.com/product/SHIMANO-STELLA-SFI/1837277.uts?productVariantId=3913844&srccode=cii_17588969&cpncode=37-15296513-2&WT.tsrc=CSE&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=03931029&rid=20
Best value Stratic CI+4 FA http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shimanoreg-Stradic-Ci4-FA-Spinning-Reel/1676687.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dshimano%2Bspinning%26WT.srch%3D1%26WT.tsrc%3DPPC%26rid%3D20%26WT.mc_id%3Dgoogle%7Cfis_Reels_Spinning_SHI%7CUSA%26WT.z_mc_id1%3D43700001720904722%26gclid%3DCMSq3emT68ICFUpp7Aod5lEAug%26gclsrc%3Daw.ds&Ntt=shimano+spinning&WTz_l=PPC
Baitcasting
Top choice Conquest http://www.cabelas.com/product/SHIMANO-CALCUTTA-CONQUEST/1910692.uts?productVariantId=4024642&srccode=cii_17588969&cpncode=36-31282049-2&WT.tsrc=CSE&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=04041487&rid=20
Best Value(s) Pinnacle Optimus XiHS http://www.pinnaclefishing.com/shop/p-139-optimus-xihs.aspx#page=page-1
Shimano Curado I http://www.cabelas.com/product/SHIMANO-CURADO-I/1808686.uts?productVariantId=3832747&srccode=cii_17588969&cpncode=39-14873752-2&WT.tsrc=CSE&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=03868001&rid=20
Shimano Cronarch or Lews Tournament MG are both solid reels.
The question as worded in the OP is impossible to answer. Once you get $50> for spinning reels and $100> for casting reels the quality takes a big jump and it's hard to go wrong. History has proven the Calcutta/Cardiff and Ambassaduers as well as the Daiwa SS and Penn Spinfisher, but agian, only time will tell on the current models.
Spinning reel = diawa certate
Casting reel = shimano calcutta/conquest
Id vote daiwa zillion or shimano chronarch for baitcasting. There are guys that have used them daily since they were released and fished them hard, and never had a problem as long as maintenance is done.
Spinning reels the daiwa tournament ss 1300 would definitely get my vote. There is a reason they have made them so long and they are bulletproof. Lots of saltwater guys swear by them. I had one from when i was 9 years old until i was 26(a few years ago), and caught pretty much every fish its possible to catch in my area on it from trout to catfish to stripers. Never had a problem and felt the same when it got sold as the day i bought it
My mean green Curado 200B still ticking. Still as smooth as can be. In fact after getting it serviced two years ago it seems just as smooth as my newer reels.
On 12/29/2014 at 8:28 AM, cyclops2 said:The Shimano includes a guide & boat for a week..........Always someone to run around waving the latest most expensive item. Yelling.
I paid the most money possible for a fishing reel. Please step forward & tell me how great I am.
At that price a deposit which is returnable should be included. What if feels ordinary or even worse than less expensive reels.
I hope this wasn't a slap at me. I don't own any reels even half way to that price. It is often said you get what you pay for so I mentioned the Shimano because I happen to see them that day. A person would think a $1k reel should last several lifetimes. My most expensive spinning reel cost me about $90 if I remember correctly although my sole Shimano may have cost a bit more. Don't remember what I paid for it. My most expensive baitcast reel is the PX Type R on sale at TW. I about had a heart attack when I hit the SUBMIT......but I finally decide to get a true finesse reel, and $200 off is a great deal.
The Zillion is a tank. The Tournament SS I mentioned is the Whisker mentioned in a later post. I have both the 1300 and 1600....bought used at about 50% less than retail. They are known for having a great drag, and being nearly indestructible. I hadn't considered a round reel, but know that most are also tanks. The Abu round reels last forever and have many parts available if someone wants to play around with them or make repairs to one.
pfluger and abu reels are known to be strong, durable, and affordable for years to come.
On 12/29/2014 at 10:48 PM, new2BC4bass said:I hope this wasn't a slap at me. I don't own any reels even half way to that price. It is often said you get what you pay for so I mentioned the Shimano because I happen to see them that day. A person would think a $1k reel should last several lifetimes. My most expensive spinning reel cost me about $90 if I remember correctly although my sole Shimano may have cost a bit more. Don't remember what I paid for it. My most expensive baitcast reel is the PX Type R on sale at TW. I about had a heart attack when I hit the SUBMIT......but I finally decide to get a true finesse reel, and $200 off is a great deal.
The Zillion is a tank. The Tournament SS I mentioned is the Whisker mentioned in a later post. I have both the 1300 and 1600....bought used at about 50% less than retail. They are known for having a great drag, and being nearly indestructible. I hadn't considered a round reel, but know that most are also tanks. The Abu round reels last forever and have many parts available if someone wants to play around with them or make repairs to one.
I didn't get that impression. The impression I got he was being sarcastic the he wouldn't pay something for 1k and I guess you can say he was dissing Shimano fan boys.
Calcutta
I don't keep any long enough to know. Selling and trading and buying is too much fun
On 12/29/2014 at 8:28 AM, cyclops2 said:The Shimano includes a guide & boat for a week..........Always someone to run around waving the latest most expensive item. Yelling.
I paid the most money possible for a fishing reel. Please step forward & tell me how great I am.
At that price a deposit which is returnable should be included. What if feels ordinary or even worse than less expensive reels.
The title of this thread reads "Cost Not A Concern". With that in mind I don't think anyone's
first choice is going to be a bubble-wrapped Zebco combo.
How can anyone say money buys quality on any reel ? Are there people using that reel everyday for several hours ? Several decades? Does it satisfy EVERYONES preferences ? It would take years to test & write up purely PERSONAL opinions by each user.
None of that will happen. Why not ? The company KNOWS it can keep bringing out a NEWER model & charge even more outrageous prices. The buyers will be " Pre ordering " with a deposit or FULL payment. There really are people on a constant ego trip with anything the most expensive.
Do some people feel much better after buying a $ 1000 to $ 10000 reel. Of course there are. Should I feel like dog crap because I do not agree with the company pandering to them ?
I had a Mitchell 400 ?? as a teenager. I just retired it for parts to another person. I am 77. Is the $1,000 reel going to last with original parts as long ? Not a snowball in hells chance.
We are a for profit reel company. Not a place creating reels that will last a century. !!! Sales Department. Hype it up reel good.
The Shimano Calcutta and the Shimano Sustain. Both great reels and built like tanks.
On a side note, I have had a Daiwa Zillion for 7 years and it is a fine reel but I would not put in the longevity category (as always, this is just an opinion). One reel that I have see a lot of that seems to be bullet proof, is the Pflueger President spinning reel. Most of the guys I know who own these, do nothing to them and they just seem to keep going.
I just bought 3 more Mitchell reels. I expect to out live them again.
SPINNING
Shimano Stradic I'm very hard on my equipment, but have never had any issue with any Stradic spinning reel.
I wanted to say Stella, but oddly enough, one I owned had a bail issue & the rubber handle began falling apart
CASTING
Shimano Core I have nothing but praise for this reel, which made me a caster overnight. I own several and love'em all
Roger
On 12/30/2014 at 4:04 AM, Arv said:I don't keep any long enough to know. Selling and trading and buying is too much fun
Arv, you're reading my mind. I've been accused of not keeping anything long enough to break it in, never mind wear it out. Besides, like you said, it's fun.
Hootie
On 12/30/2014 at 4:37 AM, cyclops2 said:How can anyone say money buys quality on any reel ? Are there people using that reel everyday for several hours ? Several decades? Does it satisfy EVERYONES preferences ? It would take years to test & write up purely PERSONAL opinions by each user.
None of that will happen. Why not ? The company KNOWS it can keep bringing out a NEWER model & charge even more outrageous prices. The buyers will be " Pre ordering " with a deposit or FULL payment. There really are people on a constant ego trip with anything the most expensive.
Do some people feel much better after buying a $ 1000 to $ 10000 reel. Of course there are. Should I feel like dog crap because I do not agree with the company pandering to them ?
I had a Mitchell 400 ?? as a teenager. I just retired it for parts to another person. I am 77. Is the $1,000 reel going to last with original parts as long ? Not a snowball in hells chance.
We are a for profit reel company. Not a place creating reels that will last a century. !!! Sales Department. Hype it up reel good.
Ditto
It's not just reels that have time/ cycle break parts/ designs... It was a older era that had pride in engineering items with long life/ user serviceable parts, etc.. There are Still Quailty well engineered items/ reels around, and based on the feedback I would say there's a lot of common agreement between posters, still, not one person has stated that any reel @ $ 1,000.00 has had a long life as of yet... You want a Quailty reel, with a potential to last for a couple decades? This type of thread is a great place to ask this exact type of question.
I've heard the cardinal 4 was a tank of a spinner, never owned one or fished one..
I'd say pretty much any reel will last as long as you'd like it to, provided you do your part in maintaining it....Even the cheap stuff.
The perceived 'quality' of a reel has a heck of a lot to do with the user's experience level and desired function. To a first time angler, the $20 reel and the $200 reel are the same....To a seasoned angler the lower end stuff might be 'unusable' for his purposes, thus 'requiring' the $200 reel.
Personally, I expect about 5 years of trouble free service for my reels (with annual winter cleaning/servicing)...At that point I begin cycling into new gear, while the old reels still have *some* resale value left to offset the new stuff. The reels still work perfectly, but I like to take advantage of the newer features when they come out. I generally have all the same reels and when I transition to a new model I replace each one over the course of a year or two (it's tough to go through 15 or so reels at once )
There is a point of diminishing returns when you start getting into the high dollar gear...Where that line falls is probably a little different for everyone.
cyckops: My first reel was a Mitchell 300 when 6 years old. Don't know when I lost it. Sure wasn't worn out. Probably in one of my moves when I was in my late 30s. I doubt anything is made to last a lifetime anymore. What? You expect manufacturers to put themselves out of business? Or have a decreasing profit as sales drop due to the fact guys are still using 20-30 year old reels? The name of the game is increasing profits each year.
Like you said....sales hype the newest and greatest.
No one said you should feel like crap because you bought a $50 reel instead of a $1000 reel. I can't afford a $1000 reel now and sure couldn't 50 years ago either. However, there are people out there who wouldn't even blink at the thought of spending $1000 or more on a reel, and not necessarily so they can say "Hey, look at what I have.", but because they want what they feel is the best and have enough money that it isn't a concern to them whether the best is $1000 or $10,000. You have to admit that most people think in the terms that if item A costs more than item B, it must be better. Would be hard to find someone not thinking like that IMO. Something in item A has to be better to justify the extra cost otherwise it wouldn't be on the market very long.
I won't live long enough to know how long my current reels will last. With any luck, maybe my grandsons will be able to answer that question provided they continue to fish.
On 12/29/2014 at 7:22 PM, jakob1010 said:Working and smooth as day one are two different statements. I've had Shimano reels, and ice had the anti reverse go out, and not be able to get the parts. The only reel I know that has lasted that long is my dad's ProCaster. And I garuntee I'm still using my Lew's 10 years from now.
Your Lews aren't actually "Lews" they are Doyos branded as Lews. Doyo sells their reels to a number of companies including BPS and pure fishing who in turn, brand the Doyo as their own product.
Doyo does make solid reels though although parts can be difficult to get a hold of years down the line if the reel is no longer in production.
I let kids & virgins use the cheapos rods & reels. Most last at least 5 years May to mid September. I do completely pull apart any reel that falls in the water. Most reels break the bail springs pretty quick.
The 3 Mitchells are pure time machines for me. The 2 ultra lights will probably wind up on the other peoples hands. ........I am looking at & felling up 1 as I type.
Pervert !!!
Thank you Mitchell.
On 12/30/2014 at 9:20 AM, TorqueConverter said:Your Lews aren't actually "Lews" they are Doyos branded as Lews. Doyo sells their reels to a number of companies including BPS and pure fishing who in turn, brand the Doyo as their own product.
Doyo does make solid reels though although parts can be difficult to get a hold of years down the line if the reel is no longer in production.
Interesting. The BPS and Abu reels I've owned don't seem to eminate the same quality as the Lew's. Hmmmm... The Pflueger reels seem realy nice though.. I wouldn't hesitate to buy one if those at their price point. Thanks for letting me know. I'm still a die hard Lew's fan though.. I just like the way the feel and cast. Personal preference.. Like I said in another thread.. Everything in this sport comes down to just that, personal preference.
Quantum owned the Lews brand/ reel designs in at least mid- ninteys I had a few.. Made in Japan. They ( old model lews ) were discontinued and they (quantum) Re-worked the platform, engineering a new reel with IAR, a modern thumb bar, 5 point drag star, forged handle.. It's release was delayed a extra year due to problems... I bought one when they finally hit the market... It was also made in Japan like many other quantum reels in the mid/ late 90's..
I guess I will always be stuck on Shimano. I have 8 Bantam 101s I purchased between "98 and '06. Two stradic 100s from the late 90's, 1 stradic 4000 from the same era and 3 stradic . 2500's from 2006. All have been cleaned and lubed each winter by me and not one has ever seen a repair shop. I have fished between 50and 100 times a year for a long time and my Shimano's have never once failed me. I am a member of the Shimano gang.
50 to 100 times a year really isnt a test of durability is it? I fish twice a day most days, at least 5 days a week once a day. I lost thousands of $ spending it on curado/stradic and higher model shimanos. Sarcastic customer service techs and their inability to provide parts a year after D became E or F became H, made them $ down the toilet.
I take back Mitchell being so perfect. Long ago Mitchell was bought out & remanufactured to startup problems. NO counterweight was installed. They said they were having a problem. Asked if I could install the weight or would need to send it back. I did the simple installation.
They had a CORRECT FIX READY & worked to help me.......... At 77 I can not wait a year or more for repairs.
On 12/30/2014 at 9:19 PM, cyclops2 said:I take back Mitchell being so perfect. Long ago Mitchell was bought out & remanufactured to startup problems. NO counterweight was installed. They said they were having a problem. Asked if I could install the weight or would need to send it back. I did the simple installation.
They had a CORRECT FIX READY & worked to help me.......... At 77 I can not wait a year or more for repairs.
You ought to google mitchell museum. A forum of really nice guys, all specializing in old Mitchells. Lots of tutorials and interesting Mitchell history. I got knowledge there to help me make a few smart buys off ebay on a couple prisitine 300's
On 12/30/2014 at 8:37 PM, 119 said:50 to 100 times a year really isnt a test of durability is it? I fish twice a day most days, at least 5 days a week once a day. I lost thousands of $ spending it on curado/stradic and higher model shimanos. Sarcastic customer service techs and their inability to provide parts a year after D became E or F became H, made them $ down the toilet.
I have been fishing Shimano reels since 1997. One of my reels (CTE200GT) is on my dedicated striper rig. Between big fish and
10,000 ton boulders, this reel has been through 100 years of comparable "bass fishing". I have had it serviced occasionally, but
the reports come back as good or better than new.
Although I have generally worked with sponsors (DVT and The Reel Mechanic), I have also worked with Dan Thornburn (Bantam 1),
Product Support Specialist for Shimano America Corp. The level of professionalism demonstrated by this man is representative of all
my dealings with the company. I consider Shimano's Customer Service the Gold Standard.
I will say it. ALL reels are NORMALLY designed to be great. The reject ratio is usually not that high for any run. But if the outspoken person gets a reject ??
It will be posted all over the web.
So get lucky. Get a good one & enjoy fishing.
0119, I didn't ask if you were happy, I stated that I was happy with the quality of my Shimano reels. You can buy what ever you want. I am also happy with how much I fish, It doesn't make me unable to offer an opinion because I don't fish as much as you do. See how easy that was. Each of us is allowed to voice an opinion on this site.
Two reels I have seen last a long time for me with a lot of use are the Chronarch 200e (Curado 200e for me but same reel) and a Shimano Symetre. I know some folks will probably cry foul on these selections but they have held up for me and I really don't "maintain" my reels just add a little oil here and there on the casters.
On 12/30/2014 at 11:24 PM, plumworm said:0119, I didn't ask if you were happy, I stated that I was happy with the quality of my Shimano reels. You can buy what ever you want. I am also happy with how much I fish, It doesn't make me unable to offer an opinion because I don't fish as much as you do. See how easy that was. Each of us is allowed to voice an opinion on this site.
Yup and I voiced mine
On 12/30/2014 at 9:39 PM, roadwarrior said:I have been fishing Shimano reels since 1997. One of my reels (CTE200GT) is on my dedicated striper rig. Between big fish and
10,000 ton boulders, this reel has been through 100 years of comparable "bass fishing". I have had it serviced occasionally, but
the reports come back as good or better than new.
Although I have generally worked with sponsors (DVT and The Reel Mechanic), I have also worked with Dan Thornburn (Bantam 1),
Product Support Specialist for Shimano America Corp. The level of professionalism demonstrated by this man is representative of all
my dealings with the company. I consider Shimano's Customer Service the Gold Standard.
From Mitchell caps through Penn Internationals, there are very few reel brands I haven't owned.
Believe me, that statement is not meant to be boastful, and frankly I find it more embarrassing than elating.
In any case, my two favorite reel brands ultimately boiled down to Shimano and Daiwa.
Of late however, I've had some issues with Daiwa reels (namely: Advantage & Steez),
So in my mind at least, Shimano sits on top of the heap.
I have no opinion or knowledge regarding Shimano's warranties or tech support,
simply because I've never had the need for either.
Roger