Shimano Rods Icast '14 2024
RippinLips4 reply :
Will the Shimano rods be more well rounded as in length's? I wish they would be like the *** series they have almost any lenght you would ever need. I love the reel seats on the crucials. Also, some were tip heavy i had used. Hoping they are more well rounded.
FlipnLimits reply :
The reel seats are rather sweet! I hear they are moving back to cork and getting away from the foam grips. I hope so anyways.
FL
RippinLips4 reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 10:04 AM, FlipnLimits said:The reel seats are rather sweet! I hear they are moving back to cork and getting away from the foam grips. I hope so anyways.
FL
i like cork better! i like the look and i dont think foam feels any better.
FlipnLimits reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 10:08 AM, PigSlayer said:i like cork better! i like the look and i dont think foam feels any better.
Just my opinion, but the foam doesn't fell different enough, good or bad, to make the change from cork. Meaning, cork lasts forever with just minimal care and it always looks good!!! Foam, I can see it fading over time or shrinking. I haven't had the new EVA foam long enough yet to say it has faded or shrunk but I don't have those thoughts with cork, so why change?! I guess I'm a purist and just like the cork and see no reason for change if it works. Sounds like you are thinking along those lines also.
RippinLips4 reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 10:12 AM, FlipnLimits said:Just my opinion, but the foam doesn't fell different enough, good or bad, to make the change from cork. Meaning, cork lasts forever with just minimal care and it always looks good!!! Foam, I can see it fading over time or shrinking. I haven't had the new EVA foam long enough yet to say it has faded or shrunk but I don't have those thoughts with cork, so why change?! I guess I'm a purist and just like the cork and see no reason for change if it works. Sounds like you are thinking along those lines also.
Yeah i feel the same, i wish i had more money so i could buy More Dobyns champions there cork and how its shaped is just awesome.
FlipnLimits reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 10:15 AM, PigSlayer said:Yeah i feel the same, i wish i had more money so i could buy More Dobyns champions there cork and how its shaped is just awesome.
Had a couple on loan from a friend that's sponsored, thought they were nice. I like the stiffer lines of rods like Shimano used to be. The new Crucial is softer. I really like Cashion for the sensitivity for certain baits. No foam or cork on Cashion but sensitivity can't be beat. They are good workhorse rods, like I like. Not super light, but grams don't matter to me. There are great rods out nowadays, it's a matter of trying enough to find what you like. I fish a lot and seem to find the work horse apposed to the high tech, high end stuff. I tourney fish and seem to break 'em on accident often enough so warranty comes into play. Shimano is over the counter so replacement is effortless and FAST.
Jrob78 reply :
Everybody loves cork but hates when rod prices go up, can't have it both ways. EVA is much cheaper than cork, that's why so many rod companies are using it now.
Jrob78 reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 10:01 AM, PigSlayer said:Will the Shimano rods be more well rounded as in length's? I wish they would be like the *** series they have almost any length and action you would ever need. I love the reel seats on the crucials. Also, some were tip heavy i had used. Hoping they are more well rounded.
All the ***'s I see are fast or xfast actions, hardly well rounded. Not bashing the Omens, just saying.
RippinLips4 reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 10:39 AM, Jrob78 said:All the ***'s I see are fast or xfast actions, hardly well rounded. Not bashing the Omens, just saying.
Talking more about length
Jrob78 reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 10:01 AM, PigSlayer said:Will the Shimano rods be more well rounded as in length's? I wish they would be like the *** series they have almost any length and action you would ever need. I love the reel seats on the crucials. Also, some were tip heavy i had used. Hoping they are more well rounded.
RippinLips4 reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 10:41 AM, Jrob78 said:
On 6/11/2014 at 10:01 AM, PigSlayer said:Will the Shimano rods be more well rounded as in length's? I wish they would be like the *** series they have almost any length and action you would ever need. I love the reel seats on the crucials. Also, some were tip heavy i had used. Hoping they are more well rounded.
Thanks for highlighting something that i already wrote. i almost forgot that i wrote that. If you would like to argue you can call Dr. Phill. Im trying to have a discussion here. I see i put length and action but in the post before im talking more about length than action.
Jrob78 reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 10:45 AM, PigSlayer said:Thanks for highlighting something that i already wrote. i almost forgot that i wrote that. If you would like to argue you can call Dr. Phill. Im trying to have a discussion here. I see i put length and action but in the post before im talking more about length than action.
Not trying to argue, just wondering what you were talking about. Relax
FlipnLimits reply :
Dr. Phil can buy us rods in any length and action we want. Are you listening, Dr. Phil? LOL
Come on guys, back to fishing 
About the foam stuff......I'll post some positives I've noticed. Doesn't get slippery when wet, as I thought. And doesn't get hot as I thought it might. Negatives...LOOKS! And the jury is out on how long it will last. And as for Shimano rods, my inside scoop from a rep was that the Crucial line will be much improved, more akin to the Cumara line.
FL
Jrob78 reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 10:55 AM, FlipnLimits said:Dr. Phil can buy us rods in any length and action we want. Are you listening, Dr. Phil? LOL
Come on guys, back to fishing
About the foam stuff......I'll post some positives I've noticed. Doesn't get slippery when wet, as I thought. And doesn't get hot as I thought it might. Negatives...LOOKS! And the jury is out on how long it will last. And as for Shimano rods, my inside scoop from a rep was that the Crucial line will be much improved, more akin to the Cumara line.
FL
I agree with you on the EVA. I much prefer cork if it's good cork. Most cork grips (especially on cheaper rods) are full of filler. It's fine at first but after some use it starts to fall out. I think I prefer foam over ratty grips with chunks missing. It's kind of a no win situation though.
FlipnLimits reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 10:59 AM, Jrob78 said:I agree with you on the EVA. I much prefer cork if it's good cork. Most cork grips (especially on cheaper rods) are full of filler. It's fine at first but after some use it starts to fall out. I think I prefer foam over ratty grips with chunks missing. It's kind of a no win situation though.
Good point, I have noticed this also. As a general rule, rods in the $150 and up range have better cork, atleast with less filler. My old Croix's held up very well and the minor filler that did fall out made the cork feel as if there was More grip. Mind you, little fell out because the cork is pretty good quality with Croix. We are picky people, we fishermen. lol
PSTV, you may like Croix, if you haven't tried them. Great selection for sure. Slightly tip heavier but I really like that.
ColdSVT reply :
I would probably own a shimano rod if they had cork!
Then again i could buy a loomis lol
All of mt loomis rods are pre shimano...i hate foam. No reason other than feel lol
RippinLips4 reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 10:59 AM, Jrob78 said:I agree with you on the EVA. I much prefer cork if it's good cork. Most cork grips (especially on cheaper rods) are full of filler. It's fine at first but after some use it starts to fall out. I think I prefer foam over ratty grips with chunks missing. It's kind of a no win situation though.
Also, if you dont like they shape of the cork you can sand it to your desirable shape. Not with EVA.
Jrob78 reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 11:48 AM, PigSlayerTV said:Also, if you dont like they shape of the cork you can sand it to your desirable shape. Not with EVA.
Eva shapes just as easily as cork. Probably easier as a lot of it is softer.
RippinLips4 reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 11:50 AM, Jrob78 said:Eva shapes just as easily as cork. Probably easier as a lot of it is softer.
never tried it
Jrob78 reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 11:56 AM, PigSlayerTV said:never tried it
It seems like it would tear to pieces but it actually shapes really easily. I've never tried to shape grips on a rod that already had them glued on but I build rods and shape my own grips. That's why I know it's easy to work with.
RippinLips4 reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 12:02 PM, Jrob78 said:It seems like it would tear to pieces but it actually shapes really easily. If you have a rod with a grip you don't like, give it a try.
all my rods are cork! Haha, Might have an old ugly stick in the garage lol. The cumaras have like no EVA, why did they do that? Hopefully they change it.
OK Bass Hunter reply :
I still have 7 cork Crucials and didn't buy any of the new Crucials for that reason. If they go back to cork Crucials I might hold off on switching brands. The feel of the old Crucials and the over the counter warranty were major selling points for me.
John G reply :
Mark me down as another buyer of Shimano rods if they go back to cork.
dam0007 reply :
On 6/11/2014 at 10:39 AM, Jrob78 said:All the ***'s I see are fast or xfast actions, hardly well rounded. Not bashing the Omens, just saying.
On 6/11/2014 at 10:41 AM, PigSlayerTV said:Talking more about length
Technicaly F XF etc is the taper 
just playing i kid i kid.
If Shimano puts cork on the next Cumara I will get another drop shot rod for sure! I don't think they'll be doing a new Cumara series for awhile though. My buddy will go broke if they launch a new Crucial series he has a bunch of those.
TNBassin' reply :
I love Eva grips myself so hopefully they stick with that. Any word if they are gonna release a matching rod for the new curado I? Maybe an updated Compre?
0119 reply :
I think you'll only see cork on the upper end models above Cumara.
lmbfisherman reply :
Cumara was released last year wasn't it? Can't see an update already.
As long as it's not full cork, I'm ok with it. I really don't care if it's cork or foam, as long as it is a split grip.
OK Bass Hunter reply :
I think this is the 4th year of the Cumara and it is on the 2nd edition.
*Hootie reply :
I prefer cork, but I think it's because I'm old...lol.
Hootie
Alonerankin2 reply :
Cork, as long as it is top shelf, I like Eva on some rods... In the right density. Personally Iam sick of split grips... Loomis does it pretty good...
thehooligan reply :
I just want them to bring the Cumulus and 1st gen Cumara back... 
War Eagle 44 reply :
On 6/12/2014 at 2:27 AM, thehooligan said:I just want them to bring the Cumulus and 1st gen Cumara back...
x2
Tywithay reply :
I wish they'd do a full EVA. Maybe it'd help balance out the rods. Tired of all these crappy split grips and tip heavy rods.
lmbfisherman reply :
On 6/12/2014 at 2:27 AM, thehooligan said:I just want them to bring the Cumulus and 1st gen Cumara back...
Hi Salenity reply :
I used to be a cork only guy but now I don't care as much? Something about a worn out EVA grip I'm starting to like?
Tywithay reply :
On 6/12/2014 at 6:31 AM, Hi Salenity said:I used to be a cork only guy but now I don't care as much? Something about a worn out EVA grip I'm starting to like?
I'd be curious to see a "worn out" EVA grip. I have several old cork rods that have had the filler fall out and what not, but I've never had an EVA that looked much worse than it did brand new.
0119 reply :
Look at any Veritas, Vendetta or other recent Abu rod after it was held for a season and you'll see worn.
Tywithay reply :
On 6/12/2014 at 8:45 AM, 119 said:Look at any Veritas, Vendetta or other recent Abu rod after it was held for a season and you'll see worn.
I reckon that's the difference between good EVA and cheap EVA.
Alonerankin2 reply :
On 6/12/2014 at 5:31 AM, Tywithay said:I wish they'd do a full EVA. Maybe it'd help balance out the rods. Tired of all these crappy split grips and tip heavy rods.
Ain't that the truth? Sick of the splits too!
IAY reply :
I really hope they bring the PG series from Japan ^^
Hi Salenity reply :
I'll get u a pic but I'm home now and my boats at my shopOn 6/12/2014 at 7:50 AM, Tywithay said:I'd be curious to see a "worn out" EVA grip. I have several old cork rods that have had the filler fall out and what not, but I've never had an EVA that looked much worse than it did brand new.
Hogsticker reply :
Not sure how this got into a cork or Eva deal, but I would suspect the new Crucial to have split Eva....but would like to see full Eva.
Arv reply :
I prefer cork too but I'm in my mid 20's. Am I an old soul, or are you young at heart? Maybe cork just feels better, haha.On 6/11/2014 at 11:21 PM, *Hootie said:I prefer cork, but I think it's because I'm old...lol.
Hootie
BradGuenette reply :
I was talking with my local Shimano rep, the new Crucials will not have EVA grip, they are going back to cork.
Loop_Dad reply :
On 6/12/2014 at 8:43 PM, BradGuenette said:I was talking with my local Shimano rep, the new Crucials will not have EVA grip, they are going back to cork.
Wow, really? That surprises me. I'm probably minority here, but I do like the feel of EVA over cork, except for the balance thou.
BassCats reply :
It is not possible to buy AAAA cork anymore. The cost has skyrocketed for cork with both the fishing industry and the wine industry. I prefer a split handle because it gives me better leverage when casting, though it does cause tip heavy rods. I like the new EVA foam that companies are using now, it no longer falls off or tears up like the old EVA foam. I have yet to try the other materials out there, I just don't have the budget to buy that many rods currently. I am in the process of testing different reels to see what I like best now. Next year will be the year of the rods.
fishindad reply :
On 6/12/2014 at 8:43 PM, BradGuenette said:I was talking with my local Shimano rep, the new Crucials will not have EVA grip, they are going back to cork.
Sweeeet!! I've got two of the cork split grip Crucial dropshot rods that are the BOMB, but on their last legs - broken hook keeper, chipped blanks, damaged cork, etc. - from all the wear and tear landing many nice smallies. If this is true, I'll buy 5 of these new Crucials. Cannot wait!
Hogsticker reply :
Sweet, more filler.
0119 reply :
If they are upgrading to cork as the “rep“ said, then I bet they upgrade the price too. It's their m.o. to upgrade the blank too whenever they change. I hope the blank will have a conservative color, the Cumara deep red was modest compared to some companies.
TrippyJai reply :
Moving back to cork is a step in the right direction since almost every rod company is making rods with split grip EVA handles. I can't wait to see what they have to offer. Please have some full handle cork models, but I don't see that happening if they decide to keep their proprietary reel seat.
Tim S. reply :
You can boil a pot of water and pour it slowly over an EVA grip for 3-4 seconds at a time and that worn, smooth look that EVA gets will instantly disappear, along with any dents. But be careful not to heat it too much or the epoxy will soften and your reel seat will suddenly roll out of place. Won't fix gouges from hooks, though. An old friend from Japan taught me that-and it worked very well for me.
On a side note, cork has become so expensive because all the cork farms in Portugal are cutting their cork trees down and building wineries and planting vineyards . Supposedly, there's more money in the wine business. Ironic, since wine bottles need cork stoppers(at least the good winemakers still use cork).
Tywithay reply :
Hope they're better than the cork on the Expride rods. For $300, the cork is very disappointing.
bassh8er reply :
On 6/12/2014 at 8:45 AM, 119 said:Look at any Veritas, Vendetta or other recent Abu rod after it was held for a season and you'll see worn.
I'll be happy to show you any of my Veritas rods I've had for the last 3 seasons.
Gone_Phishin reply :
On 6/12/2014 at 2:27 AM, thehooligan said:I just want them to bring the Cumulus and 1st gen Cumara back...
Amen. I was fishing my 71MH Cumulus/Core 51 this week, and was thinking how I'd love at least two more of the same combo...maybe one with a new Metanium.
Sam reply :
JPur, it would be nice if Shimano rods all had the bait holder on the rod.
You pay a lot of money for a Shimano rod and to have no bait holder on the rod is something you would expect.
Even the BPS Extreme rods have bait holders.
Check it out at ICAST14.
Tywithay reply :
Which rod doesn't have a hook holder?On 6/13/2014 at 3:15 PM, Sam said:JPur, it would be nice if Shimano rods all had the bait holder on the rod.
You pay a lot of money for a Shimano rod and to have no bait holder on the rod is something you would expect.
Even the BPS Extreme rods have bait holders.
Check it out at ICAST14.
I prefer rods not having them anymore anyway. A Fuji holder is cheap and more functional.
TrippyJai reply :
On 6/13/2014 at 12:07 PM, Tywithay said:Hope they're better than the cork on the Expride rods. For $300, the cork is very disappointing.
If this is the case, then the cork will be worse considering the Expride is a split grip and they still use crappy cork. Even the IMX/GLX cork is disappointing. My old Crucials corks are better than them. I guess this has to do with the ever high price of cork.
thehooligan reply :
On 6/13/2014 at 3:03 PM, Gone_Phishin said:Amen. I was fishing my 71MH Cumulus/Core 51 this week, and was thinking how I'd love at least two more of the same combo...maybe one with a new Metanium.
I baby my 6'5 & 6'10 cumulus rods, and always looking for more 
Hogsticker reply :
I wanna see the new Fuji palm trigger seat (pts) on these bad boys. Anyone else? Its a crowded field so let's hope they do something that warrants some separation. Kick the price up to 170-180 and put some Fuji K series titanium alconites on it. Smaller ones too. 5.5 or 6 stripper, 4.5 or 5 runners. Full Eva handle will somewhat offset the cost of the guides and again, create separation. And there you have it!
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