Monofilament line 2024
Mobasser reply :
Recently getting together with my son in laws on Thanksgiving, I heard a pretty good razzing about my fishing line. They have switched to braid/ leader setups for everything. Me, I'm stuck in the dark ages with mono. I like it that way. I like having one knot tied directly to hook or lure. Maybe I'm.sticking my neck out here, but I think many good fish have been lost on a braid/ leader combo from knot failure. I also like the way mono lines handle and cast. The last thing I want to fool with is constant line issues. I want to be casting, not messing with my line. Over the years, the few fish I've lost have been strictly my fault. Not the fault of any mono line. And lastly, I personally think the sensitivity issue is over rated on flouro, braid lines, etc. Good jig and plastics fisherman develop a sense of what's going on with their baits, and it's much more than simply rod, reel, and line. This comes with practice and experience and takes time to learn, regardless of what line your using. I'm not trying to start another line debate here- we've had plenty of those. Do you like, and/or prefer mono lines? They still work good for me
Catt reply :
Berkley Big Game Mean Green ????
tander reply :
I use mono on all my cranking rods and top water rods, FC on worm rods and spinnerbait rods. The only time I use braid with a leader is on my spinning rods and that is only to prevent a lot of twist.Nothing wrong with mono on all.
Preytorien reply :
I use mono on a reaction topwater rig of mine and usually double duty it as a cranking setup. I use Seaguar Senshi and love it.
Lately I’ve been doing a lot of reaction bait fishing with braid-to-mono since the stretch properties of mono give it a good half second more to set the hook and keeps the line tighter during the fight.
Nothing wrong at all with mono, it’s stayed around this long for a reason.
evilcatfish reply :
Nothing wrong with straight mono, I run that or straight floro on all but my frog and heavy duty all purpose setups
Hulkster reply :
i like mono too, tried braid, had issues with wind knots etc.
so I went back to mono. I do like the stretch when fighting a big fish.
I use Sufix Siege on both spinning and baitcasting gear. love the stuff.
Although I want to try the new sufix advanced.
OnthePotomac reply :
Heck, all I ever used for bass fishing for many years on the Tidal Potomac was BPS Excel mono in 20, 14 and 8lb. Years ago, if you bought a large spool you could get a second one for 50% off and as I recall a large spool was only $8 and change. My spinning reels still have only 8lb mono on them.
Scott F reply :
You know that you can use braided lines without a leader. I’ve been using braid for many years and have never had a need for FC or mono leaders. For me, mono’s best use is as backing for my braid. I just hate all the stretch and thickness of nylon lines.
flatcreek reply :
Big Game and Co-poly is all I use these days.tried all the other stuff and figured out I don't need it for the way I fish.keeps it simple
FryDog62 reply :
I don’t like a lot of stretch but do agree it can be an advantage when fighting big fish. After experimenting with a lot of different lines, I’ve found one for me that seems to stretch markedly less when I get up to 12 pound test... yet just enough give to keep fish buttoned up. It’s a co-poly (Yo-Zuri Hybrid) so it may not fit your true definition of mono. Otherwise, I think Big Game as suggested above would be another good option.
NHBull reply :
Officially winter.....kidding!
Not all mono's are created equal!
I also find that you can get away with braid is your wise in choosing the correct rod/action and adjusting the drag properly
Mike L reply :
I'll use mono to hang pictures on a wall sometimes.
And not too crazy about using that stuff for that either!!
Mike
Log Catcher reply :
I use mono on some of my setups. I like Sufix Siege in 12 pound test. Use it for crank baits, spinner baits, and top waters. I use use the 10 pound test for a main line on my spinning rods. I do use floro for soft plastics and jigs. Never have tried braid.
WRB reply :
I started out fishing with braid in the 50's, followed by monofilament line from the 60's to mid 90's, then changed to Fluorocarbon for everything underwater until 2016. Today I use monofilament line for nearly everything except heavy cover I use braid without a leader.
Full circle back to where I started. Maxima Ultra Green 5 lb for finesse, Sunline Defier Armillo 11 lb and 25 lb for my mono. Still have a few reels with Sunline FC, very few.
Tom
OCdockskipper reply :
On 11/26/2018 at 4:06 AM, WRB said:...Today I use monofilament line for nearly everything except heavy cover I use braid without a leader ...
Tom
I do the same for casting outfits, but not for spinning (I use Nanofil with a Flouro leader). I find that mono & Flouro don't respond well to the inherent twisting that spinning gear does to line.
Do you prefer straight mono for spinning as well?
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stratoliner92 reply :
I only use Braid/Fluoro on my dropshot spinning setups.
Straight Fluorocarbon on Texas Rig, Jigs and Crankbaits.
Straight Braid with Frogs mostly and sometimes Mono.
Mono with rattletraps, chatterbaits, spinnerbaits and most topwater.
FWIW my neighbor uses Berkley Big Game and catches just as many fish as I do ????
NYWayfarer reply :
I use mono for most presentations.
My motto is: Mono, if your grandpappy didn’t use it you would have never learned how to fish.
Brad Reid reply :
So many good points, histories with the stuff as most of us used it or use it.
Contemporary monofilament lines are a thousand percent better than they were when I was a kid.
Many are essentially clear. Stretch for many isn't much of an issue. What the heck, your rod flexes after all.
Go for it! Brad
Boomstick reply :
On my spinning reels, I almost always run braid to leader. On casting reels, I will run mono for topwater, braid for the reel I use for hollow body frogs and and usually fluorocarbon for cranks, spinnerbaits, jerkbaits, soft plastics, jigs and everything else.
I did consider using primarily mono last year as I find that I was often fishing rather shallow water and with fluorocarbon I found I was literally dragging by bait off of the bottom where with mono, it would bounce off the bottom. I used mono for these baits in 2017 without issue.
I would highly recommend Sufix Siege mono line. It's strong, abrasion resistant and has a much lower memory than other mono lines that I have used.
WRB reply :
On 11/26/2018 at 4:31 AM, OCdockskipper said:I do the same for casting outfits, but not for spinning (I use Nanofil with a Flouro leader). I find that mono & Flouro don't respond well to the inherent twisting that spinning gear does to line.
Do you prefer straight mono for spinning as well?
Yes, I prefer straight line of all types. Braid does help to resolve line twist from spinning reels. My routine at the end of the day when using spinning reels is cut off the rig or lure and drag about 100' of line behind my boat a few minutes at slow (walking) speed to untwist the line.
Tom
Hulkster reply :
On 11/26/2018 at 2:43 AM, Log Catcher said:I use mono on some of my setups. I like Sufix Siege in 12 pound test. Use it for crank baits, spinner baits, and top waters. I use use the 10 pound test for a main line on my spinning rods. I do use floro for soft plastics and jigs. Never have tried braid.
Sufix Siege is the best mono I have ever used. I used to be a trilene user but no more. I use 10 pound on spinning and 12 on casting gear.
bowhunter63 reply :
Still using Big Game ,No complaints.
Vilas15 reply :
On 11/26/2018 at 2:43 AM, Log Catcher said:I use mono on some of my setups. I like Sufix Siege in 12 pound test. Use it for crank baits, spinner baits, and top waters. I use use the 10 pound test for a main line on my spinning rods. I do use floro for soft plastics and jigs. Never have tried braid.
On 11/26/2018 at 6:52 AM, Boomstick said:I would highly recommend Sufix Siege mono line. It's strong, abrasion resistant and has a much lower memory than other mono lines that I have used.
On 11/26/2018 at 11:53 AM, Hulkster said:Sufix Siege is the best mono I have ever used. I used to be a trilene user but no more. I use 10 pound on spinning and 12 on casting gear.
Another fan of Sufix Siege here. I use 10 lb on my casting setup for lipless cranks, spinnerbaits, even some regular cranks. I also use 8 or 10 lb for leaders on my spinning setups. I also had some Sufix Elite but I think Siege is a little less stretchy and supposed to be more abrasion resistant.
Bluebasser86 reply :
I have mono/copolymer on some of my jig/Trig rods ???? The horror I know! I also use it for shakyheads.
I use straight braid for topwater walking baits and braid with no leader even in clear water.
Just because you're "suppose" to, doesn't mean you have to.
Brad Reid reply :
On 11/26/2018 at 6:52 AM, Boomstick said:On my spinning reels, I almost always run braid to leader. On casting reels, I will run mono for topwater, braid for the reel I use for hollow body frogs and and usually fluorocarbon for cranks, spinnerbaits, jerkbaits, soft plastics, jigs and everything else.
I did consider using primarily mono last year as I find that I was often fishing rather shallow water and with fluorocarbon I found I was literally dragging by bait off of the bottom where with mono, it would bounce off the bottom. I used mono for these baits in 2017 without issue.
I would highly recommend Sufix Siege mono line. It's strong, abrasion resistant and has a much lower memory than other mono lines that I have used.
Glenn makes your exact point in his fine primer today on split shot Senko finesse fishing, that he wants the Senko which is dragging behind the lead sinker (up the line about 18") to bounce or float up each time he lifts the rod tip in his retrieve. Glenn is, in essence, recommending re-creating the dropping sensation the Senko is famous for several times after its original fall through the water column on a cast. In his video, he is using a copolymer line over fluorocarbon but generally recommending a line that is lighter than the latter, more invisible in clear water than braid.
A top monofilament would work great for this presentation.
Brad
new2BC4bass reply :
Vast majority of my reels have a mono or co-polymer spooled. I like Siege, AN40, Mean Green, Big Game and XXX. Long ways from trying them all. 
I use a lot of 8# and 12#.
Oregon Native reply :
Like Tom I'm doing the full circle of lines. Still like the braid on my spinning but for other than frogging it's mono for me. And leaders on the spinning I'm still using up my fluro. The straw that broke the camels back was the ol fluro getting a kink in a backlash and "tink...." there goes a spool of fluro.....
Boomstick reply :
On 11/26/2018 at 8:40 PM, Brad Reid said:Glenn makes your exact point in his fine primer today on split shot Senko finesse fishing, that he wants the Senko which is dragging behind the lead sinker (up the line about 18") to bounce or float up each time he lifts the rod tip in his retrieve. Glenn is, in essence, recommending re-creating the dropping sensation the Senko is famous for several times after its original fall through the water column on a cast. In his video, he is using a copolymer line over fluorocarbon but generally recommending a line that is lighter than the latter, more invisible in clear water than braid.
A top monofilament would work great for this presentation.
Brad
That's a little bit different than what I meant. With a Senko it effects the action but I'm always hopping it of the bottom. A mono might drop a little faster, and they tend to hit it on the fall. So that is an advantage with mono.
Where I was running into issues is fishing with say a spinnerbait or a crankbait, which would drag along the bottom, stir up dirt, get caught inbetween rocks etc. In the same water with mono, it wouldn't sit quite as big of a deal because it runs higher in the water column, but would still hit the bottom but hop back up -- and at times hitting a rock on a bottom can trigger a bite.
Team9nine reply :
Don't think I have any mono spooled on any outfit...except 1 crappie stick I rarely use. If it works for you, great! ????
Tennessee Boy reply :
On 11/25/2018 at 7:45 PM, Mobasser said:I also like the way mono lines handle and cast.
Me too.
On 11/25/2018 at 7:45 PM, Mobasser said:The last thing I want to fool with is constant line issues.
I've never caught a fish while messing with my line.
On 11/25/2018 at 7:45 PM, Mobasser said:I personally think the sensitivity issue is over rated on flouro, braid lines, etc. Good jig and plastics fisherman develop a sense of what's going on with their baits, and it's much more than simply rod, reel, and line. This comes with practice and experience and takes time to learn, regardless of what line your using. I'm not trying to start another line debate here- we've had plenty of those.
A-men.. Preach it brother!!!
On 11/25/2018 at 7:45 PM, Mobasser said:Do you like, and/or prefer mono lines?
I try something new every now and then but I've always come back to mono. Braid has it's place but not so much in the fishing I do 90% of the time.
Team9nine reply :
On 11/25/2018 at 7:45 PM, Mobasser said:And lastly, I personally think the sensitivity issue is over rated on flouro, braid lines, etc. Good jig and plastics fisherman develop a sense of what's going on with their baits, and it's much more than simply rod, reel, and line. This comes with practice and experience and takes time to learn, regardless of what line your using.
Yes, but even after you develop "the sense" that comes with experience, you still can't get around the physical properties that make braid and fluoro more sensitive in many situations.
Mobasser reply :
On 11/27/2018 at 3:18 AM, Tennessee Boy said:Me too.
I've never caught a fish while messing with my line.
A-men.. Preach it brother!!!
I try something new every now and then but I've always come back to mono. Braid has it's place but not so much in the fishing I do 90% of the time.
Tennessee Boy, this is my take on it. Many will disagree
Mobasser reply :
On 11/27/2018 at 3:30 AM, Team9nine said:Yes, but even after you develop "the sense" that comes with experience, you still can't get around the physical properties that make braid and fluoro more sensitive in many situations.
What really made me gunshy with this was FC on a spinning reel. Bad move for me. Spent the. better part of an afternoon jacking around with line issues. No fun! And very few bass! I've been tempted to try a light braid on spinning reels- with no leader. I can tie good knots, no problem there. It's the leader part that I don't like. I'm good to go on casting reels with Trilene Big Game. Affordable good qaulity
Team9nine reply :
On 11/27/2018 at 4:15 AM, Mobasser said:What really made me gunshy with this was FC on a spinning reel. Bad move for me. Spent the. better part of an afternoon jacking around with line issues. No fun! And very few bass! I've been tempted to try a light braid on spinning reels- with no leader. I can tie good knots, no problem there. It's the leader part that I don't like. I'm good to go on casting reels with Trilene Big Game. Affordable good qaulity
Sensitivity is just one aspect. Fluoro can be touchy on spinning reels if not paired up well (spool size to line diameter). I'm about 80-90% braid on spinning reels myself, and ~90% fluoro on baitcasters.
Mobasser reply :
On 11/27/2018 at 4:43 AM, Team9nine said:Sensitivity is just one aspect. Fluoro can be touchy on spinning reels if not paired up well (spool size to line diameter). I'm about 80-90% braid on spinning reels myself, and ~90% fluoro on baitcasters.
Are you always using a leader with braid?
Team9nine reply :
On 11/27/2018 at 5:18 AM, Mobasser said:Are you always using a leader with braid?
Almost always, but almost never due to visibility issues.
Bankbeater reply :
I use mono for almost everything now. Big Game on all my bc reels. I’m still trying out different types of mono for my spinning reels.
Brad Reid reply :
On 11/27/2018 at 2:35 AM, Boomstick said:That's a little bit different than what I meant. With a Senko it effects the action but I'm always hopping it of the bottom. A mono might drop a little faster, and they tend to hit it on the fall. So that is an advantage with mono.
Where I was running into issues is fishing with say a spinnerbait or a crankbait, which would drag along the bottom, stir up dirt, get caught inbetween rocks etc. In the same water with mono, it wouldn't sit quite as big of a deal because it runs higher in the water column, but would still hit the bottom but hop back up -- and at times hitting a rock on a bottom can trigger a bite.
"A mono might drop a little faster, and they tend to hit it on the fall." No, with mono, it (a Senko) would drop a little slower than with fluorocarbon. And, it (mono) would create more lift on any actions where an angler lifts or scoots a lure along the bottom to attract a fish's attention.
Still, not a huge difference. Glenn acknowledges this in his video and goes on to say that some will be more comfortable using something other than a copolymer, that it is just one of those slight adjustments that help.
Brad
Catt reply :
On 11/27/2018 at 3:30 AM, Team9nine said:, you still can't get around the physical properties that make braid and fluoro more sensitive in many situations
Sure I can!
I walk straight down aisle passed both to the Big Game!
Team9nine reply :
On 11/27/2018 at 12:02 PM, Catt said:
Sure I can!
I walk straight down aisle passed both to the Big Game!
No, that's just selecting your line of choice, not the more sensitive line. We all make a similar decision with each line purchase, preferring some characteristics or qualities over others. I just passed on the Big Game yesterday (Cyber Monday sale) and went with Tatsu myself ????
WRB reply :
FC does have less coeffient of drag going through water then equal diameter Nylon monofilament fishing line creating less belly or sag in the line detween the rod tip and lure. The enhanced FC line movements we can detect as sensitivity. The thing is vibrations are damped by the water so only line movement that reaches the rod tip an be felt by touching the rod blank or line.
A skilled angler doesn't totally rely on line movements alone to detect strikes and that is why strike detection takes time on the water to develop regardless of line types being used.
The only advantage braid has is it's smaller diameter, not the very low stretch factor.
Tom
Hulkster reply :
I like Big Game on baitcasting, but i find it too stiff for spinning gear.
Sufix Siege is the only 'tough' mono I have found that is still limp enough to be using on spinning gear and still cast well.
for 8 and 10 pound test, it casts very well. I have also used heavier pound tests on a 4000 size reel for casting heavy spoons for salmon also. it casts great.
Catt reply :
On 11/27/2018 at 11:27 PM, Team9nine said:No, that's just selecting your line of choice
Exactly!
On 11/27/2018 at 11:27 PM, Team9nine said:not the more sensitive line
In my hands it is the more sensitive!
On 11/27/2018 at 11:27 PM, Team9nine said:went with Tatsu myself ????
Yes sir have some coming ????
Mobasser reply :
On 11/27/2018 at 11:56 PM, WRB said:On 11/27/2018 at 11:56 PM, WRB said:FC does have less coeffient of drag going through water then equal diameter Nylon monofilament fishing line creating less belly or sag in the line detween the rod tip and lure. The enhanced FC line movements we can detect as sensitivity. The thing is vibrations are damped by the water so only line movement that reaches the rod tip an be felt by touching the rod blank or line.
A skilled angler doesn't totally rely on line movements alone to detect strikes and that is why strike detection takes time on the water to develop regardless of line types being used.
The only advantage braid has is it's smaller diameter, not the very low stretch factor.
Tom
This is my whole point WRB. A skilled jig fisherman with mono, will outfish a run of the mill fisherman using FC or braid. It takes time and practice. No other way around it
Boomstick reply :
On 11/27/2018 at 9:42 AM, Brad Reid said:"A mono might drop a little faster, and they tend to hit it on the fall." No, with mono, it (a Senko) would drop a little slower than with fluorocarbon. And, it (mono) would create more lift on any actions where an angler lifts or scoots a lure along the bottom to attract a fish's attention.
Still, not a huge difference. Glenn acknowledges this in his video and goes on to say that some will be more comfortable using something other than a copolymer, that it is just one of those slight adjustments that help.
Brad
I meant fluorocarbon might drop faster, sorry.
WRB reply :
There are presentations where FC can be an advantage or disadvantage. Top water lures disadvantage, tends to pull the front of the lure down. Very slow or dead sticking like split or slip shot disadvantage having sinking line laying on the bottom increases snagging. Less drag in the water with less belly line is an advantage for jigs and rigs being retreived along the bottom. Disadvantage when snagged as FC gets deformed when high pulling forces.
Tom
Team9nine reply :
On 11/28/2018 at 1:56 AM, Mobasser said:This is my whole point WRB. A skilled jig fisherman with mono, will outfish a run of the mill fisherman using FC or braid. It takes time and practice. No other way around it
I agree totally. But a skilled angler with braid or fluorocarbon will have a sensitivity/bite detection advantage over his same outfit with mono (nylon) in many instances.
Tennessee Boy reply :
Tom's points about line sag are very important and often overlooked. Line stretch and line sag have the same dampening effect between the bait and the angler. I don't think anyone can deny line sag has a much larger impact. I can feel every rock and every stick when I'm fishing a 3/4 oz weight on a Carolina rig with 40 feet of mono between me and the weight. It's much more difficult when I'm fishing a t-rig with a 1/8 oz weight even with much less line between me and the bait. Why, because I can keep a tighter line with the heavier weight. When I'm fishing a weightless Trickworm, I'm watching my line very closely because it's hard to feel anything. The best way to improve your connection with your lure is to increase the weight you fish with. Of course increasing your weight can have many undesirable effects.
The smaller diameter of braid offers real advantages due to its reduced drag.
The lower stretch/higher sensitivity argument for braid and FC, while undeniable, is wildly overrated in my opinion.
Team9nine reply :
On 11/28/2018 at 3:25 AM, Tennessee Boy said:Tom's points about line sag are very important and often overlooked. Line stretch and line sag have the same dampening effect between the bait and the angler. I don't think anyone can deny line sag has a much larger impact. I can feel every rock and every stick when I'm fishing a 3/4 oz weight on a Carolina rig with 40 feet of mono between me and the weight. It's much more difficult when I'm fishing a t-rig with a 1/8 oz weight even with much less line between me and the bait. Why, because I can keep a tighter line with the heavier weight. When I'm fishing a weightless Trickworm, I'm watching my line very closely because it's hard to feel anything. The best way to improve your connection with your lure is to increase the weight you fish with. Of course increasing your weight can have many undesirable effects.
The smaller diameter of braid offers real advantages due to its reduced drag.
The lower stretch/higher sensitivity argument for braid and FC, while undeniable, is wildly overrated in my opinion.
The problem is that most anglers end up trying to match diameters of their braid to what their equivalent mono would be, completely negating one of the largest potential benefits of braid. Very common to read this "advice" in threads on this board.
On your latter point, there are a lot of component changes that can be made to most every setup to increase sensitivity beyond whatever you currently experience. As you point out though, there are tradeoffs with all these options, and each angler has to prioritize what is most important to him/her for a given presentation.
scaleface reply :
I will never use braid again , ever . I tried floro carbon once and couldnt even tie a decent knot with the stuff but I saw some properties with it that I may retry a different brand . As of right now I use monofilament 100 per cent of the time .
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