I've never owned a Daiwa casting reel. I love their spinning reels and would like to try a casting reel. I'm not interested in a top of the line, but more a reel in the "sweet spot," at the top of the price range where spending more doesn't get much more functionality but spending less costs significant functionality. I know, not very definitive, but I think you know what I mean. Which reel for fresh water bass fishing, casting ease without backlash is a priority. I like braid. thanks,
Tatula ct...or if that's too expensive (100 dollars on ebay) then I'd go with the fuego
x2 on the Tat CT.. great reel
Budget and weight or lures would help?
Tat CT, Tat SV, SV105 or SV 103. All are worth the price of admissoon and easy to cast.
Tat SV or SV103
No bait casting reel is backlash free without the aid of a well trained thumb.
So what is the OP's current reel of choice and price point? Helps to know to make suggestions.
Tom
Application is everything. Heavy applications a sv103 is a great real about 200. Bfs throught medium the alphas sv is very palmable and is a great reel. Both are highly receptive to mods and both are great out of the box.
I would say the Tatula SV. You can get them for as low as $135 occasionally on ebay, but easily for $155 and they're worth every penny imo. The CT for around $100 should be good as well.
I have two SV's, the thing I like about them is that you can set the brake at 8 +/-2 and then the tension knob to the point the reel begins to click and you don't have to adjust the reel when you change your bait (until you get to baits closer to 1oz where you might want to tighten up the tension knob a little bit).
As far as backlashing however, if you can't cast a cheaper reel without backlashing, you're still going to backlash on another reel. I do believe Daiwa or Shimano has the best braking systems (but the SV reel gives Daiwa the edge), but don't go buying a SV expecting it to solve your backlash issues because it won't.
A SV103 will all but eliminate back lashes if set up correctly. And that is a fact
On 9/17/2017 at 9:59 PM, kickerfish1 said:Budget and weight or lures would help?
Tat CT, Tat SV, SV105 or SV 103. All are worth the price of admissoon and easy to cast.
$150 or a little more won't scare me off. Lures from 1/4 oz.
On 9/17/2017 at 11:27 PM, WRB said:No bait casting reel is backlash free without the aid of a well trained thumb.
So what is the OP's current reel of choice and price point? Helps to know to make suggestions.
Tom
Of course, but some are a heckova lot better than others. Current reels are Curados and Revos, prefer the curados. Less than $200 max. Or close.
Similar size to your current reels CT TWS type R in whatever ratio you prefer.
Fineesse size SV105 would give a smaller reel for 1/8 to 1/2 oz lures.
Tom
The new tatula sv will run you $140 on eBay,or a used SV103 but that will get you closer to $200. However, it'll last you for years to come and uses the same internals as the tried and true original Daiwa Zillion that has proven itself over and over.
I just changed to Daiwa, bought Type R and Type R CT, both great reel. Even better, both reels were on sale. You can find the type r for $129, reg $199 and type r ct for $119, reg $179.
Tatula ct or sv
If you go with the CT....70 bucks below
I tried mine out this past Saturday and I am extremely impressed.
http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/daiwa-tatula-ct-freshwater-baitcast-reel#repChildCatid=3891514
I bought the Tatula CT 6.3:1 off ebay for $85, and it's amazing.
I have the Tatula CT and am considering Tatula SV for a second rod. Is the SV an upgrade to the CT other than the spool? What other features does it have that the CT doesn't?
I currently have a Tatula SV 103H RH for sale (just have two many reels at this point) that if someone is interested in, I could probably work with the price a little. It is brand new and has new line on it. No box, but I might have an extra box I can ship it in aside from the actual shipping package. If interested, please PM me.
Alphas SV/SV105 would be my pick. The Tatula SV is great too but it's not as nice as the Alphas. Maybe I'm biased being an Alphas fan but Tatulas feel slopy or loose and have gear gear noise. Fine workhorse reels but not as nice and tidy as an Alphas.
I preface this with I don't have meaningful experience with more then two Daiwa reels. But I have a bunch of recent Shimanos that have been my reels of choice.
Recently wanting to to see what it was all about I just got a Tatula SV to try out figuring at it's price point it was easy enough to move on. I did have it cleaned and tuned before I got it, and adding some bearings and upgrades. But I'm pretty impressed and pretty please. Super easy to dial in and casting and pitching without drama are a breeze. It's got a super smooth and solid feeling especially for its price point. It's earned a place in my line up pretty easily, and is going stay there. In act I may order another.
I dont get quite the distance I do with some of my Shimanos, but I think I need to get comfortable backing off the brakes a bit more. But it more then makes up for it in control and accuracy. It's gonna be my go to short roll casts and pitching and learning to skip in close quarters.
The Tatula SV would be my pick. At $150.00 it's a great buy and with the SV spool, casts exceptionally well.
I agree with @WRB. No reel is backlash free. I have Shimano 70's and 200's, but in June I bought a tat sv. Since then I have had 2 backlashes. My first cast with it and when I caught my back seat while casting it?. This is by far the best reel I own
I'd say either the tatula sv, sv105 or sv103. The sv105 is on the alphas platform which is nice and compact. The sv103 uses the original zillion platform, but fits 34mm spools (tdz, steez) which can be pretty cool.
On 10/25/2017 at 9:09 PM, Yudo1 said:I'd say either the tatula sv, sv105 or sv103. The sv105 is on the alphas platform which is nice and compact. The sv103 uses the original zillion platform, but fits 34mm spools (tdz, steez) which can be pretty cool.
What is the significance of 34mm spools? I'm not familiar enough with the Daiwa products to know. thanks,
Just that you can put a really high end spool in those reels, if you like. The TD-Z, Steez spools can be very light, and there's lots of aftermarket options.
Franco and Yudo1 are the new tag team champions of this thread. The 105 or 103 sv reels are amazing and have a ton of versatility. The spool options as well as of hop ups available really allow you to have YOUR own reel.
Best value is fuego ct hands down
My t3 1016 can cast without backlash when brakes set appripruately and max braking switch on. I literally set it up this way and give this reel to my fiance as she uses no thumb.
The SV103 is probably hands down the best value Daiwa you can pick up right now. Obviously, that’s my opinion and people have different budgets to work with. Right around $200-230 and offers endless options to upgrade it if you choose to do so. Built solid as a rock and will easily cast without issues. 34mm spool - 90mm handle - metal drag star - fast levelwind on the 7.9 model - aluminum frame and gear side plate - uses zillion internal parts.
Sorry, I put my hands down first.
Fuego ct is a workhorse reel and I would have no issue having one on every rod and would save me enough money to splash on other things.
Your hands down for what? I t’s a decent reel for $100 but it’s lacking a lot of things. The handle side plate is plastic. There’s not even a single bearing under the knobs. Plastic drag star. The gear on the level wind is plastic. Yes, it’s $100 decent but it’s a throw away reel. Use it until it breaks and replace it. As I said we all have different budgets and opinions.
On 10/26/2017 at 4:08 AM, rippin-lips said:Your hands down for what? I t’s a decent reel for $100 but it’s lacking a lot of things. The handle side plate is plastic. There’s not even a single bearing under the knobs. Plastic drag star. The gear on the level wind is plastic. Yes, it’s $100 decent but it’s a throw away reel. Use it until it breaks and replace it. As I said we all have different budgets and opinions.
Most people equate cheap with best. Fustration sets in trying to convince higher priced reel or rods can represent value. Now the proud owner of 3 sv103 reels I get what you mean. Not a steez but still super nice.
If you can afford $100, then there’s a few choices. Increase that, and you can have one of the best reel platforms out there. 20 years of evolution and tons of aftermarket options.
I agree. I honestly think that after many years of using only Shimano, the SV103 reels that I own are truly some of the best reels I have ever had the pleasure of using. And yes, the options are endless! I have 5x103H and 3x103XS. I don't know if anybody still have them in stock in RH but I could always use another new XS!
On 10/25/2017 at 9:36 PM, MickD said:What is the significance of 34mm spools? I'm not familiar enough with the Daiwa products to know. thanks,
There are A LOT of spools out there there of that size that differ in capacity, weight and braking profile.
I recently bought a used SV103, and all I can say is WOW!! LOVE IT! If that is a little steep for you, the SV105 is a sweet reel as well. Don't let the 105's smaller size fool you. That thing is a fishing machine!
On 10/26/2017 at 4:08 AM, rippin-lips said:Your hands down for what? I t’s a decent reel for $100 but it’s lacking a lot of things. The handle side plate is plastic. There’s not even a single bearing under the knobs. Plastic drag star. The gear on the level wind is plastic. Yes, it’s $100 decent but it’s a throw away reel. Use it until it breaks and replace it. As I said we all have different budgets and opinions.
Can be had for much less than $100 and performs the same as my tatula CT.
just because its cheap and a "throw away" (a bit of a pretentious statement) doesnt mean its performance is any less than higher priced reels.
I have T3 1016s (can be had for $150 now) and daiwa tdz and none of them perform noticeably better than my fuego. The t3 at skipping may be the only appreciable difference.
If spending an additional 70 dollars for your knobs to spin fast when you flick them or for some extra chrome then thats your choice (I do like flicking my rcs knobs while deadsticking).
On 10/26/2017 at 5:16 AM, Angry John said:Most people equate cheap with best. Fustration sets in trying to convince higher priced reel or rods can represent value. Now the proud owner of 3 sv103 reels I get what you mean. Not a steez but still super nice.
Oh Im one of the most vain people I know. I prefer quality and longevity over cheapness. The opposite can be said about convincing people that the most expensive or popular item represents the best value.
There is a continium of price vs percieved quality and being that a lot of suggestions are pushing the top of his budget, I am not convinced through personal experience that those options' quality matches or exceeds the price line.
Thanks to all who have contributed; I've learned a lot. For me, if I have to spend a few more bucks to go first class on fishign, I'll do it and find ways to find the money.
On 10/27/2017 at 10:18 PM, Montanaro said:Oh Im one of the most vain people I know. I prefer quality and longevity over cheapness. The opposite can be said about convincing people that the most expensive or popular item represents the best value.
There is a continium of price vs percieved quality and being that a lot of suggestions are pushing the top of his budget, I am not convinced through personal experience that those options' quality matches or exceeds the price line.
I would have to agree with this. I dont use rods below avids in the st croix line. They may be just as good but i will spend the money for made in America, if its better or not i am sure many people are willing to argue some are just as good cheaper. Each person has there own value system and i put a lot of value in supporting the American worker. Many layers to why some people do things and my choice is easy for me but would be easily passed over by others. Recently i have gone to the extreme having rods built to support American rod builders on American made blanks. My handle are from CFX an american company. Guides are harder to source but i try and do my part...
The SV103 is a really really great reel. I love the Alphas series for how light they are and how well they palm, they disappear in my hand. But the SV103 feels like the insides are full of melted butter, just perfectly smooth with no wiggle or play anywhere. I was a little leery of it at first due to the weight, but man am I glad that I took the chance on one.
On 10/28/2017 at 9:19 AM, fishwizzard said:The SV103 is a really really great reel. I love the Alphas series for how light they are and how well they palm, they disappear in my hand. But the SV103 feels like the insides are full of melted butter, just perfectly smooth with no wiggle or play anywhere. I was a little leery of it at first due to the weight, but man am I glad that I took the chance on one.
Psssst. Buy more TD Zillions if you like the SV103 platform. If you like "SV103s" then you'll like TD Zillions because that is what the reel is. It's a 103 spool variant of the TD Zillion platform. I recommend an IP68 or J-Dream. TD Zillion Type R and HLC are also popular.
On 10/28/2017 at 5:04 PM, BaitFinesse said:Psssst. Buy more TD Zillions if you like the SV103 platform. If you like "SV103s" then you'll like TD Zillions because that is what the reel is. It's a 103 spool variant of the TD Zillion platform. I recommend an IP68 or J-Dream. TD Zillion Type R and HLC are also popular.
More of my ignorance showing, but what does all the alphabet soup actually mean? What is the difference and why would one be better than another for a given application?
Can of worms...
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On 10/28/2017 at 5:04 PM, BaitFinesse said:Psssst. Buy more TD Zillions if you like the SV103 platform. If you like "SV103s" then you'll like TD Zillions because that is what the reel is. It's a 103 spool variant of the TD Zillion platform. I recommend an IP68 or J-Dream. TD Zillion Type R and HLC are also popular.
None allow the use of a 34mm spool though. That’s the beauty of the SV103. You get the internals of the og but have 30 different spool choices. Zpi blue emblem - RCS 1010 - RCS 1016 - Zpi 001 - Zpi 002 - Zpi pg - 1012SV - tdz r+ and r and so on. The og zillion platform uses a 36mm spool and there’s only a few aftermarket choices. All the stock spools are more geared towards 3/8+ stuff. The j dream and IP have a lighter stock spool that are a little more capable of going lighter but both reels carry a decent price tag and wouldn’t be a good choice for an all around reel.
On 10/28/2017 at 5:04 PM, BaitFinesse said:Psssst. Buy more TD Zillions if you like the SV103 platform. If you like "SV103s" then you'll like TD Zillions because that is what the reel is. It's a 103 spool variant of the TD Zillion platform. I recommend an IP68 or J-Dream. TD Zillion Type R and HLC are also popular.
Hah, part of the appeal of the SV103 is that it takes the Steez sized spools. I am trying to keep to as few spool sizes as possible.
On 10/29/2017 at 12:26 AM, RPreeb said:More of my ignorance showing, but what does all the alphabet soup actually mean? What is the difference and why would one be better than another for a given application?
The IP68 is the Megabass version of the original td zillion. The J dream is a limited edition version of the og zillion. The zillion type r is a dressed up version of the og zillion. HLC is a model of the og zillion. It stands for hyper long cast. It’s a ‘tuned’ spool, but honestly it’s just a heavier spring that takes more centrifugal force to apply braking. You could swap an hlc spring into a og zillion spool and get close to the same results. All of those though would be better suited for heavier applications. Frogs - jigs in cover - punching - etc
They aren’t going to perform as well with lighter baits since they aren’t designed for that. They have heavier spools that weigh around 13-14 grams, and hold a bit more line.
On 10/29/2017 at 3:13 AM, rippin-lips said:The IP68 is the Megabass version of the original td zillion. The J dream is a limited edition version of the og zillion. The zillion type r is a dressed up version of the og zillion. HLC is a model of the og zillion. It stands for hyper long cast. It’s a ‘tuned’ spool, but honestly it’s just a heavier spring that takes more centrifugal force to apply braking. You could swap an hlc spring into a og zillion spool and get close to the same results. All of those though would be better suited for heavier applications. Frogs - jigs in cover - punching - etc
They aren’t going to perform as well with lighter baits since they aren’t designed for that. They have heavier spools that weigh around 13-14 grams, and hold a bit more line.
I agree although the spool in the IP/J Dream can cast finesse offerings. While I agree that it is kinda a big deal that the SV103 is a TD Zillion with 103 spool compatibility (finally) the SV103 at over 8 ounces isn't the kind of reel you typically pair to a finesse or BFS rod. Frogs, jigs in cover ect are in the wheel house of a TD Zillion, 103 spools or not. The SV103 is a #1 TD Zillion pick for the 103 spools but there are other interesting TD Zillions out there for those who have become fans of the platform.
On 10/29/2017 at 3:13 AM, rippin-lips said:The IP68 is the Megabass version of the original td zillion. The J dream is a limited edition version of the og zillion. The zillion type r is a dressed up version of the og zillion. HLC is a model of the og zillion. It stands for hyper long cast. It’s a ‘tuned’ spool, but honestly it’s just a heavier spring that takes more centrifugal force to apply braking. You could swap an hlc spring into a og zillion spool and get close to the same results. All of those though would be better suited for heavier applications. Frogs - jigs in cover - punching - etc
They aren’t going to perform as well with lighter baits since they aren’t designed for that. They have heavier spools that weigh around 13-14 grams, and hold a bit more line.
Resurrecting an old thread as you seem very knowledgeable on the reel. I recently bought an IP68 which i paired with a 7'6" MB Valdivia. I plan on using this rod mostly for bombing 1oz topwater baits along with frogs. Problem I am having is casting distance being knocked down with side brakes turned all the way off. I've read swapping the spool for a HLC may increase distance requiring more braking, but it sounds like you have an easier method by changing the spring if Im understanding you correctly? Can you elaborate on this more and possibly provide a part number?
Edit: Is this the compatible spring for the IP68? https://japantackle.com/tuning-parts/spools-casting-reels/tu001003.html
On 8/5/2019 at 8:56 PM, brandon0921 said:Resurrecting an old thread as you seem very knowledgeable on the reel. I recently bought an IP68 which i paired with a 7'6" MB Valdivia. I plan on using this rod mostly for bombing 1oz topwater baits along with frogs. Problem I am having is casting distance being knocked down with side brakes turned all the way off. I've read swapping the spool for a HLC may increase distance requiring more braking, but it sounds like you have an easier method by changing the spring if Im understanding you correctly? Can you elaborate on this more and possibly provide a part number?
Edit: Is this the compatible spring for the IP68? https://japantackle.com/tuning-parts/spools-casting-reels/tu001003.html
If you go the HLC spool route the reel will bomb frogs. I have an IP68 with an HLC spool on a gen 1 Perfext Pitch. The stock spool was capable of casting down to the backer with a frog but the HLC does it in an instant and effortlessly. I now use my stock spool with flouro for pitching and skipping jigs/plastics and braid on the HLC for frogging.
On 8/5/2019 at 11:56 PM, BaitFinesse said:If you go the HLC spool route the reel will bomb frogs. I have an IP68 with an HLC spool on a gen 1 Perfext Pitch. The stock spool was capable of casting down to the backer with a frog but the HLC does it in an instant and effortlessly. I now use my stock spool with flouro for pitching and skipping jigs/plastics and braid on the HLC for frogging.
Which HLC spool fits the reel? I've seen a few variations of it searching around.
https://japantackle.com/tuning-parts/spools-casting-reels/daiwa/tu001338.html
Everyone's already said this I guess but I would go with Tatula CT.