Knot for heavy flurocarbon 2025
FLAGATOR49 reply :
What knot do you guys use for heavier fluro? This would be a minimum 15lb test all the way up to 30lb.
WRB reply :
San Diego jam knot.
Tom
FLAGATOR49 reply :
On 9/11/2019 at 7:23 AM, WRB said:San Diego jam knot.
Tom
I'm struggling with the San Diego jam more than any other knot, including the FG knot. Are you doubling the lines Tom?
RichF reply :
Palomar for 15lb and up for me. No issues.
NHBull reply :
Uni.....all day, every day????
FLAGATOR49 reply :
On 9/11/2019 at 8:57 AM, NHBull said:Uni.....all day, every day????
Doubled Uni works best for me and is grading out the highest in my tests. Just cant tie that san diego jam well
WRB reply :
On 9/11/2019 at 7:27 AM, FLAGATOR49 said:I'm struggling with the San Diego jam more than any other knot, including the FG knot. Are you doubling the lines Tom?
I learned to tie this knot in the 60's, it's simple with any lure that has some weight like a jig or whatever.
1. Put the end of the line through the hook eye, the tag end about a foot long.
2. Hold the top of the loop between your thumb and index finger about 3" long loop.
3. With the lure hanging down wrap the tag end around the loop about 5-6 turns.
4. Put the tag end through the bottom lop opening, then up through the top loop opening.
5. Pull the tag end snug and wet the knot, then pull the main line so the jam knot slides down to the hook eye. Now with the knot wet pull main line until it's tight, clip off the tag end about 1/8" long.
I use a single line loop, no reason to double it.
Tom
PS, tieing to a hook I clip on a cloths pin or hang a jig on the hook for weight.
A-Jay reply :
Pretty sure this one's called the Loadmaster Knot.
Takes a while to learn & half an hour to tie but once you get it - it's the best !
If you can't tie a knot - tie a lot.
A-Jay
Hammer 4 reply :
I'll use 17lb sometimes, mostly 15 lb...San Diego jam knot. Although I have used a uni, but 99% of the time an SD knot.
FLAGATOR49 reply :
On 9/11/2019 at 9:30 AM, WRB said:I learned to tie this knot in the 60's, it's simple with any lure that has some weight like a jig or whatever.
1. Put the end of the line through the hook eye, the tag end about a foot long.
2. Hold the top of the loop between your thumb and index finger about 3" long loop.
3. With the lure hanging down wrap the tag end around the loop about 5-6 turns.
4. Put the tag end through the bottom lop opening, then up through the top loop opening.
5. Pull the tag end snug and wet the knot, then pull the main line so the jam knot slides down to the hook eye. Now with the knot wet pull main line until it's tight, clip off the tag end about 1/8" long.
I use a single line loop, no reason to double it.
Tom
PS, tieing to a hook I clip on a cloths pin or hang a jig on the hook for weight.
Thanks for the advice Tom!! adding some weight is something im missing and the steps help a lot as well!!!
Hammer 4 reply :
On 9/11/2019 at 9:42 AM, FLAGATOR49 said:Thanks for the advice Tom! adding some weight is something im missing and the steps help a lot as well!!!
And never skimp on the tag length...
FLAGATOR49 reply :
On 9/11/2019 at 9:45 AM, Hammer 4 said:And never skimp on the tag length...
appreciate that tip Hammer 4!!
On 9/11/2019 at 9:34 AM, A-Jay said:Pretty sure this one's called the Loadmaster Knot.
Takes a while to learn & half an hour to tie but once you get it - it's the best !
If you can't tie a knot - tie a lot.
A-Jay
I'm guessing this is mocking how hard the SD Jam knot is? Either way i got a laugh out of it!
WRB reply :
Looks a like a backlash knot to me 
.
Tom
FLAGATOR49 reply :
On 9/11/2019 at 10:16 AM, WRB said:Looks a like a backlash knot to me
Tom
???? or a compounded wind knot on a spinning reel!! Just tied the SD knot and much better results with your advice Tom Thank You!
On 9/11/2019 at 9:45 AM, Hammer 4 said:And never skimp on the tag length...
You're absolutely right more tag length is a must for the SD Jam!
Mike L reply :
On 9/11/2019 at 7:23 AM, WRB said:San Diego jam knot.
Tom
On 9/11/2019 at 9:45 AM, Hammer 4 said:And never skimp on the tag length...
Ditto
Mike
roadwarrior reply :
https://www.***.com/fishing_knots/pitzen-knot
Harold Scoggins reply :
On 9/11/2019 at 9:34 AM, A-Jay said:Pretty sure this one's called the Loadmaster Knot.
Takes a while to learn & half an hour to tie but once you get it - it's the best !
If you can't tie a knot - tie a lot.
A-Jay
I can't get my knot to look like that...
Bassattackr reply :
This is the one I use, taught by the man himself. Great for flouro, mono or braid. This is all I use unless line to leader then I use the Alberto.
BoatSquirrel reply :
I am not one of the legions of Gerald Swindle man-crushers out there but this knot has proven darn near unbreakable. Basically just a double clinch knot...
Fried Lemons reply :
Doubled uni knot has never failed me.
boostr reply :
On 9/11/2019 at 11:41 PM, BoatSquirrel said:I am not one of the legions of Gerald Swindle man-crushers out there but this knot has proven darn near unbreakable. Basically just a double clinch knot...
LOL, I remember watching this clip. Gman cracks me up.
boostr reply :
Depends what I'm tying on: Improved Clinch Knot, Trilene Knot, or Snell Knot. These three for me.
Sweet Tater Pie reply :
I just use the palomar knot and I have 17lb floro but it works for me
Tackleholic reply :
I use the fly fisherman's go to......Orvis knot, with 3 passes through the loop instead of 2. Quick and easy, wastes less line, hasn't failed yet.
Taylormade113 reply :
I still use the Improved Clinch knot with 17# InvisX and have never had an issue, never. I have never lost a fish with this knot due to failure at the knot. The three knots I use on a regular basis = Improved Clinch, Palomar and Alberto (Albright) not sure on the last one.
FLAGATOR49 reply :
Appreciate all the responses, how would someone test a knots impact strength aka a hook set? Seems like all the knot tests I find online are done with a steady pull which only measures tensile strength.
BassWhole! reply :
On 9/13/2019 at 12:13 AM, FLAGATOR49 said:Appreciate all the responses, how would someone test a knots impact strength aka a hook set? Seems like all the knot tests I find online are done with a steady pull which only measures tensile strength.
With a scale (analog or digital) with a max reading indicator. You can also measure relative knot strength by tying 2 knots on opposite ends of a swivel.
FLAGATOR49 reply :
On 9/13/2019 at 12:23 AM, BassWhole! said:With a scale (analog or digital) with a max reading indicator. You can also measure relative knot strength by tying 2 knots on opposite ends of a swivel.
That makes sense, a scale with a max reading indicator...please share a scale with that feature if you know of one. Right now I'm using car key spilt rings to a snap and swivel then pulling with a scale. I've never broke off from a bass pulling, only on the impact from a hookset.
stratoliner92 reply :
Trilene knot on 16# never had issues. I don't use any line larger in fluorocarbon
waymont reply :
On 9/11/2019 at 7:19 AM, FLAGATOR49 said:What knot do you guys use for heavier fluro? This would be a minimum 15lb test all the way up to 30lb.
I make leaders when I’m fishing around pike with 30 and 40 lb fluorocarbon with a 3-4 turn clinch knot. Never had one slip in many years of tying them.
Derek1 reply :
On 9/11/2019 at 9:30 AM, WRB said:I learned to tie this knot in the 60's, it's simple with any lure that has some weight like a jig or whatever.
1. Put the end of the line through the hook eye, the tag end about a foot long.
2. Hold the top of the loop between your thumb and index finger about 3" long loop.
3. With the lure hanging down wrap the tag end around the loop about 5-6 turns.
4. Put the tag end through the bottom lop opening, then up through the top loop opening.
5. Pull the tag end snug and wet the knot, then pull the main line so the jam knot slides down to the hook eye. Now with the knot wet pull main line until it's tight, clip off the tag end about 1/8" long.
I use a single line loop, no reason to double it.
Tom
PS, tieing to a hook I clip on a cloths pin or hang a jig on the hook for weight.
I’m sorry but is that the old fisherman’s not my dad did. That’s the only knot I know through the eye, wrap 5-7 times, go through the hole above the hook and then through the whole you just made. I always thought that was the clinch knot.
WRB reply :
On 9/13/2019 at 10:58 AM, Derek1 said:I’m sorry but is that the old fisherman’s not my dad did. That’s the only knot I know through the eye, wrap 5-7 times, go through the hole above the hook and then through the whole you just made. I always thought that was the clinch knot.
Very different then a clinch knot or improved clinched or Trilene knot because the wraps start at the top of the loop and wrap around 2 strands of line. Clinch knots twist the loop then thr tag end is goes through the opening at the hook eye, improved you run the tag end through the upper opening.
I can see how you could get confused, but look a any knot vedio and it should be clear.
Tom
Derek1 reply :
On 9/13/2019 at 11:05 AM, WRB said:Very different then a clinch knot or improved clinched or Trilene knot because the wraps start at the top of the loop and wrap around 2 strands of line. Clinch knots twist the loop then thr tag end is goes through the opening at the hook eye, improved you run the tag end through the upper opening.
I can see how you could get confused, but look a any knot vedio and it should be clear.
Tom
I did look after reading this. Thanks for helping me clarify. I just realized how embarrassing I only do that one knot. But I can do it with my eyes closed. The best knot is the one you know how to tie. That’s pretty week but all I could come up with.
WRB reply :
On 9/13/2019 at 11:12 AM, Derek1 said:I did look after reading this. Thanks for helping me clarify. I just realized how embarrassing I only do that one knot. But I can do it with my eyes closed. The best knot is the one you know how to tie. That’s pretty week but all I could come up with.
The fishermans knot (clinch knot) is the first knot most us learned to tie.
I called what is now the Palomar* knot the Indian knot because that is what it was called in the 50's. San Diego jam knot was known as the Mexican knot because the long range charter boat crews called it by that name in the 60's, both no longer politically correct names.
Tom
* named after man named Palomar in a knot riding contest in the 80's.
FryDog62 reply :
On 9/11/2019 at 9:34 AM, A-Jay said:Pretty sure this one's called the Loadmaster Knot.
Takes a while to learn & half an hour to tie but once you get it - it's the best !
If you can't tie a knot - tie a lot.
A-Jay
Looks like my father-in-law’s recent MRI of his GI tract...
I think we’ll call this new knot “Diverticulitis..!”
Jason Penn reply :
i've been using the eugene slip knot for everything, and have had zero issues
Tony johnson reply :
On 9/11/2019 at 7:23 AM, WRB said:San Diego jam knot.
Tom
same here.. all the way to 120lb floro
GreenPig reply :
On 9/11/2019 at 9:34 AM, A-Jay said:Pretty sure this one's called the Loadmaster Knot.
Takes a while to learn & half an hour to tie but once you get it - it's the best !
If you can't tie a knot - tie a lot.
A-Jay
It's bulky but it works.
LionHeart reply :
Well if Ole' Gerald says fluorocarbon has zero stretch, it has to be true. And all this time.......
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