Kistler Helium 3 fans, here's some news 2024
waymont reply :
I wrote to Kistler to ask if they have deleted some Helium 3 rods, and here is the response from Trey Kistler:
yes because we are sold out and will not be restocking any 2019 models. On January 8th, 2020, we will announce the new rods on our brand new web site. It will be well worth the wait. Holler if you have any questions.
Thank you,
Trey Kistler
bwjay reply :
Oh no. My wallet can't take anymore. Please, no........
If they release a ML bait finesse casting rod between 6' and 6'8", I am a goner. Would've bought such a rod in the Zbone lineup during this sale if they actually had one. Or, an ultra stout frogging/punching rod... yes, I do fear for my wallet.
DogBone_384 reply :
Thanks for the news ... my wallet, however, doesn’t thank you.
I’ll quietly chant “I have enough Kistlers, I have enough Kistlers...” and keep the monkey at bay.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
Trey has designed his own blank for his 2020 lineup. There was an issue with him and NFC when it came to the new ZBone blanks so Trey decided to develop his own blank.
FrankN209 reply :
On 12/2/2019 at 11:34 PM, waymont said:I wrote to Kistler to ask if they have deleted some Helium 3 rods, and here is the response from Trey Kistler:
yes because we are sold out and will not be restocking any 2019 models. On January 8th, 2020, we will announce the new rods on our brand new web site. It will be well worth the wait. Holler if you have any questions.
Thank you,
Trey Kistler
I asked about their shorter Helium rods. And I got this.
QuoteFrank, yes sir, January 8th, the 2020 models will be available on the 2020 Kistlerrods.com website. It will be worth the wait.
Thank you,
Trey Kistler
Efishin reply :
On 12/3/2019 at 12:16 AM, Chance_Taker4 said:Trey has designed his own blank for his 2020 lineup. There was an issue with him and NFC when it came to the new ZBone blanks so Trey decided to develop his own blank.
Remember why Kistler went to NFC for blanks because the blanks Kistler used before broke left and right and then Kistler refused to warranty the rods.
Personally, I wont be buy there product
NorthernBasser reply :
As a huge Kistler fan, this has me interested, but worried. Those NFC blanks are no joke. Gonna be hard to match them and keep the rods at the same price point.
bwjay reply :
On 12/3/2019 at 8:49 AM, NorthernBasser said:As a huge Kistler fan, this has me interested, but worried. Those NFC blanks are no joke. Gonna be hard to match them and keep the rods at the same price point.
I agree; I don't know if I want to be an early adopter, but maybe if Trey offers an initial batch at a discount, to get the word out, I think it could be very good for them. That is, of course, assuming the blanks are actually good.
FrogMann reply :
Very worried. I wouldn't buy them personally. Scary that he is now trying to build his own blanks.... Last time he didn't use NFC, his rods all broke.
waymont reply :
I never used the old style blank. I got my first Kistler 2 years ago, and I love the current blank. So there was an issue with the original blanks breaking huh?
JLewis134 reply :
On 12/3/2019 at 9:37 AM, waymont said:I never used the old style blank. I got my first Kistler 2 years ago, and I love the current blank. So there was an issue with the original blanks breaking huh?
Super bad about 10 years ago. They lost a ton of dealers and left customers in a bad spot after the incident. Ultimate bass has a thread explaining there breaking issue they went through and the bad reputation they received. NFC helped them overcome the stigma of bad quality as NFC makes quality blanks. Afraid Kistler will go overseas and produce a subpar rod.. Hope the best for them though
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
I gave em one chance but the product they sent me was subpar. Crooked guides poor fit/finish blank defect. Not again. Maybe mine was bottom of the barrel trying to get rid of the inventory.
JLewis134 reply :
On 12/3/2019 at 11:03 AM, QUAKEnSHAKE said:I gave em one chance but the product they sent me was subpar. Crooked guides poor fit/finish blank defect. Not again. Maybe mine was bottom of the barrel trying to get rid of the inventory.
Before I knew of the bad reputation they built, I bought 2 Z Bones (last generation) both were good but not blow away. Sold and went to Megabass, St Croix, and G Loomis and been happier. Both had good QC but stories of not standing behind there product scared me, so i sold them. Happier now! Not here to convince anyone but just sharing my experience. Try and find for yourself. Find what works for you.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
If anyone is Facebook Friends with Trey he has been posting on there since mid 2018 about testing and developing his own blank. I have original Argons and Carbon Steels plus the newer generation Argon, Helium and KLX. I haven't had an issue with any of the rods and have been very happy with them.
Efishin reply :
Not going down that road again with Kistler.
waymont reply :
This seems to be one of the new blanks Kistler is using. The site states it's a new blank designed and made by Kistler.
https://www.kistlerrods.com/store/helium-3-all-purpose-special-medium-heavy-7-0.html
Scrapiron reply :
Well, I've got a few NFC Kistlers across his rod families and enjoy them all. My father-in-law has a few pre-NFC Kistlers and they're fine as well. Okay, maybe the Magnesium is a little tip heavy but the LTA is still outstanding. Interested to see what Trey has up his proverbial sleeve.
I sure do enjoy those X-ray blanks though.
GReb reply :
I really liked the NFC blanks. Hopefully Trey has learned from past failures and will not cut any corners. I’m not going to completely write him off but I won’t be a $200 guinea pig either. As with anything, time will tell.
Dwight Hottle reply :
I have been a Kistler fan & owner for about five years. I have bought 3 z bones, 5 heliums & 1 klx. All my purchases were based on NFC blanks & only one rod was purchased from a vendor, all others were direct purchases from Kistler. Kistler's incentive program & frequent sales make for strong customer alliance. I see no reason not to continue my support based on my past experience.
OilfieldCowboy reply :
On 12/4/2019 at 2:35 AM, waymont said:This seems to be one of the new blanks Kistler is using. The site states it's a new blank designed and made by Kistler.
https://www.kistlerrods.com/store/helium-3-all-purpose-special-medium-heavy-7-0.html
Only if the images are wrong, clearly shows NFC's logo in this one:
https://www.kistlerrods.com/store/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/2785ef4cf69538cabd193a5e626a7a21/2/_/2_helium_3_reel_seat_cast_2017_web3.jpg
waymont reply :
On 12/4/2019 at 8:50 PM, OilfieldCowboy said:Only if the images are wrong, clearly shows NFC's logo in this one:
https://www.kistlerrods.com/store/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/2785ef4cf69538cabd193a5e626a7a21/2/_/2_helium_3_reel_seat_cast_2017_web3.jpg
Good catch. I didn’t notice that
Chris at Tech reply :
On 12/5/2019 at 12:25 AM, waymont said:Good catch. I didn’t notice that
I wouldn't trust that pic as truly representative of the rod in question.. The rod specs in the description are for an MH rod for 1/8 - 1 oz. The pic you're referring to is for a M rod for 1/8 - 1/2.
thunderblack reply :
How long as Kistler used NFC blanks? If helium changes is it just the blank or the whole look of the rod? Also curious if people have any issues with the eva locking nut.
Dwight Hottle reply :
On 12/5/2019 at 9:10 PM, thunderblack said:How long as Kistler used NFC blanks? If helium changes is it just the blank or the whole look of the rod? Also curious if people have any issues with the eva locking nut.
At least 5 years maybe a little longer. I have never had a problem with the eva lock nut. No way to know what the blank or look will be until it is announced.
Fishingmickey reply :
I haven't been using Kistlers as long as some of you guys have (5 years +). I have eight to ten of his rods. Helium3's, Mag2's, KLX, KLX S2's. I have had no issues with any of them with one exception.
I did break a Helium3 about a third of the way down working a chatter bait, not on a hook set or high sticking. My suspicions are the rod had either gotten hit by a lure on the back cast or damaged by my handling and I didn't noticed that I had done it.
They warrantied the rod and sent me a new one. I had it in hand in two days. I've got nothing to say but good things about Kistler the quality of the rods and their product support.
Fishingmickey
thunderblack reply :
Thanks Dwight, been curious about these rods for a while so grabbed a zbone and helium in spinning and they are very nice. Also glad to hear a warranty story that went well. That was the other thing I was skeptical about. The xray blank is very very nice.
Yumeya reply :
I have a H3 medium light spinning rod, its a nice rod and I love the NFC blank, it would be such a nice
build with fuji guides and a different reel seat.
IMO the NFC blank is as sensative as a GLX.
bwjay reply :
On 12/6/2019 at 2:23 AM, Yumeya said:I have a H3 medium light spinning rod, its a nice rod and I love the NFC blank, it would be such a nice
build with fuji guides and a different reel seat.
IMO the NFC blank is as sensative as a GLX.
The Helium3 blanks from 2019 (since there is some variation year to year, or at least every few years it seems) are very sensitive. I have not had the fortune of trying a GLX, but I have read many times that the Helium3 blanks meet or surpass the GLX for sensitivity. They are honestly very similar in action (H3 vs GLX MBR) which is really cool. The H3 is like a budget GLX with the only real nitpicks being a lower quality handle, and maybe the guides? I wish they were a tiny bit bigger, but my double uni knot passes through them without much issue, it just sometimes wants to hang up on the tip which likely wouldn't change even if all of the guides including the tip were larger. I'm pretty satisfied with my 4 H3s (got the 6'8LMHF spinning this fall) and look forward to hearing about the new blanks. I may be a guinea pig if Trey launches them at a discount to get people interested.
CountryboyinDC reply :
I just bought my first Kistler this year - a KLX Feel 'n Reel. It was on sale for $180 and I don't know of a similar product that's made in the USA, and I think it will be good for what I bought it for (10XDs, <2 oz glide baits), but I've only had it out a couple of times. My opinion is that if they're going to charge those big prices, they need to warranty up like SC and Loomis have. They might have some dynamite products, but folks like me will just wonder if they won't put a warranty behind it.
waymont reply :
On 12/6/2019 at 3:01 AM, bwjay said:The Helium3 blanks from 2019 (since there is some variation year to year, or at least every few years it seems) are very sensitive.
I bought my first Kistler H3 this year. I ended up with three (7'1" MH, 7' H, 6'8" LMH) all with the newest NFC blanks.
I'm a big fan of the Loomis MBR feel and taper, and these have a feel that is not exactly the same but similar enough that I felt very comfortable with them. I got them all from Kistler for $200ea or less, which I think is a real great deal.
All my other casting rods are older Loomis rods with the longer fore grip in the GLX and IMX versions. They are really my favorite rods. I find the H3 series casting rods to feel very familiar, I guess that's why I ended up getting three. They are very sensitive, and well put together. I don't have a history with the older problems, in fact it was news to me when I started this thread. As far as I know they are great rods. I hope the new versions are just as good.
Chance_Taker4 reply :
On 12/6/2019 at 3:03 AM, CountryboyinDC said:I just bought my first Kistler this year - a KLX Feel 'n Reel. It was on sale for $180 and I don't know of a similar product that's made in the USA, and I think it will be good for what I bought it for (10XDs, <2 oz glide baits), but I've only had it out a couple of times. My opinion is that if they're going to charge those big prices, they need to warranty up like SC and Loomis have. They might have some dynamite products, but folks like me will just wonder if they won't put a warranty behind it.
3-5 year is perfect for a rod. If you use a rod over the course of a year without issues then all of a sudden it snaps or a guide breaks than its user error or neglegence not manufacture defect.
bwjay reply :
On 12/8/2019 at 2:56 AM, Chance_Taker4 said:3-5 year is perfect for a rod. If you use a rod over the course of a year without issues then all of a sudden it snaps or a guide breaks than its user error or neglegence not manufacture defect.
That could happen due to normal wear and tear that the rod should be able to withstand. You could baby it and fish it carefully, never boat flip, and then one day the tip breaks when you're working a big spook... user error, or accident waiting to happen, due to manufacturing "defect"?
CountryboyinDC reply :
@bwjay, I get it, but if St. Croix, Loomis, and Falcon (there might be more, I just don't own any) can put a lifetime warranty, Kistler could with those prices.
bwjay reply :
On 12/8/2019 at 7:52 AM, CountryboyinDC said:@bwjay, I get it, but if St. Croix, Loomis, and Falcon (there might be more, I just don't own any) can put a lifetime warranty, Kistler could with those prices.
I totally agree!
NorthernBasser reply :
On 12/8/2019 at 7:52 AM, CountryboyinDC said:@bwjay, I get it, but if St. Croix, Loomis, and Falcon (there might be more, I just don't own any) can put a lifetime warranty, Kistler could with those prices.
I hear ya. But Croix and GLoomis are MUCH richer companies than Kistler.
bwjay reply :
On 12/9/2019 at 2:16 AM, NorthernBasser said:I hear ya. But Croix and GLoomis are MUCH richer companies than Kistler.
Oh absolutely. I get that Kistler can't be replacing rods for deep discounts all the time. But if they don't have an abnormally high amount of breakages, then I feel they should offer a longer warranty because they're confident it won't need to be used anyway. GENERALLY short warranties are short because there are a lot of things that could go wrong (poorly made electronics for example) and the manufacturer doesn't want to be on the hook for it, because they know the quality isn't there. Other times it's just to incentivize upgrading. Sometimes both.
Now, I haven't had any breakage or build quality issues with my Helium3s so far, but I only fished them for about 4 months, as is the length of in-season open water fishing weather here in Minnesota (besides rivers) - mid-May opener to late-Sept cold. We'll see if I have any issues next year but I'm thinking I probably won't as long as I continue to take care not to smack the rods on door frames and keep boat flipping to an absolute minimum. I'll be on a kayak so I won't even be able to boat flip most of the time anyway. But I digress.
STBen1215 reply :
On 12/6/2019 at 3:01 AM, bwjay said:The Helium3 blanks from 2019 (since there is some variation year to year, or at least every few years it seems) are very sensitive. I have not had the fortune of trying a GLX, but I have read many times that the Helium3 blanks meet or surpass the GLX for sensitivity. They are honestly very similar in action (H3 vs GLX MBR) which is really cool. The H3 is like a budget GLX with the only real nitpicks being a lower quality handle, and maybe the guides? I wish they were a tiny bit bigger, but my double uni knot passes through them without much issue, it just sometimes wants to hang up on the tip which likely wouldn't change even if all of the guides including the tip were larger. I'm pretty satisfied with my 4 H3s (got the 6'8LMHF spinning this fall) and look forward to hearing about the new blanks. I may be a guinea pig if Trey launches them at a discount to get people interested.
The Heliums are sensitive and serve people well but not GLX sensitive. Not quite on the level. Maybe the old GLX but the new GLX is an awesome rod and superior in my hands as well as all of my buddies.
Personally, I don't think Trey will be discounting new product unless holiday sales when around when he releases them. But you never know.
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