Fluorocarbon for frogs 2024
Justbass11 reply :
I have been reading on an older post about using braided line for frog fishing. My question is this, Is fluorocarbon ok to use for frog fishing? Thanks for all the input
CroakHunter reply :
Fluorocarbon sinks and has stretch in it. That is 2 things you don't want when frog fishing. It would greatly affect the action and your hook up percentage would be super low I feel like. Minimum 40lb braid for frogging
Glenn reply :
Braid is best for frog fishing. I explain the reasons why, plus a whole lot more about frog fishing in this video:
iceintheveins reply :
Fluoro would be awful for frogs. Braid is the way to go. No lighter than 50 pound imo. Sixty five or heavier is best in really heavy cover where bass over 5 pounds are common.
Boomstick reply :
No, fluorocarbon is the worst option for frog fishing (worse than even mono, because it sinks). Use 40-65lb braid for frogs, depending on the cover.
soflabasser reply :
I use 30 pound test powerpro braid for my frogging and so far it has done a fine job at helping me land several bass in the +8 pound class. Make sure to use a rod with a stiff backbone and set the hook after the frog disappears.
LionHeart reply :
On 3/28/2018 at 7:36 AM, iceintheveins said:Fluoro would be awful for frogs. Braid is the way to go. No lighter than 50 pound imo. Sixty five or heavier is best in really heavy cover where bass over 5 pounds are common.
I'm not trying to be funny or confrontational, but why would you prefer a line that can hold 65 lbs when the fish weighs 5 lbs and your rod would likely snap <20 lbs?
Serious question as I've read other people saying the same thing. Why would 50 lb test not be up to the task? Or even 30 lb for that matter?
sully420 reply :
On 3/29/2018 at 1:45 AM, LionHeart said:I'm not trying to be funny or confrontational, but why would you prefer a line that can hold 65 lbs when the fish weighs 5 lbs and your rod would likely snap <20 lbs?
Serious question as I've read other people saying the same thing. Why would 50 lb test not be up to the task? Or even 30 lb for that matter?
I use 65lb braid because i like the thicker line. Its more buoyant and helps me keep my line and frog from getting caught under pads.
WRB reply :
Fluorocarbon line offers nothing over premium mono/copolymer lines for bass fishing with 1 possible exception; it's heavier then water with less coeffiecent of drag. No reason to use FC for any top water lure presentation. Less stretch with FC is a myth, weaker knot strength is a fact. Braid is the right choice for frog fishing.
Tom
MassYak85 reply :
On 3/29/2018 at 1:45 AM, LionHeart said:I'm not trying to be funny or confrontational, but why would you prefer a line that can hold 65 lbs when the fish weighs 5 lbs and your rod would likely snap <20 lbs?
Serious question as I've read other people saying the same thing. Why would 50 lb test not be up to the task? Or even 30 lb for that matter?
A few reasons. Biggest is probably line diameter, 65lb braid is like using 12-15lb mono. It's not very thick for it's breaking strength. Using 20 or 30lb braid with a locked down drag like is often done in frog fishing will cause you nightmares with the line digging into itself on the spool.
Another reason is frog fishing is usually done in and amount some of the thickest cover you will encounter in bass fishing. If you hook a double digit fish 50 yards back into a lilypad bed with stalks the thickness of your finger are you going to trust 20lb braid to not only move the fish, but get the fish out of all the vegetation it dragged your line through during the fight?
WRB reply :
Braid cuts through vegetation, FC or any mono doesn't. You don't want to pull on small dia 20-30 lb braid with your fingers, it cuts them! 50-65 lb braid is easier to handle without cutting you. Braid doesn't stretch so remember that when locking down your drags, your rod can't apply enough force to break braid, your rod breaks first.
Tom
shovelmouth83 reply :
i use 30lbs braid and like everyone else has said floro is a no go for my frogs. i have tried other things and it just does not work like straight braid. when that frog is out there the fish does not care about the braid.
iceintheveins reply :
On 3/29/2018 at 1:45 AM, LionHeart said:I'm not trying to be funny or confrontational, but why would you prefer a line that can hold 65 lbs when the fish weighs 5 lbs and your rod would likely snap <20 lbs?
Serious question as I've read other people saying the same thing. Why would 50 lb test not be up to the task? Or even 30 lb for that matter?
The main reason is that when frogging you're generally fishing very heavy cover, especially heavy vegetation. You need all the strength and lack of stretch you can get to horse the fish out of cover. Even a two pounder will dive down and tangle up badly in thick weeds. You pull the fish back with about 10 pounds of salad usually.
WRB reply :
Read my post, 20-30 lb braid cuts your fingers....do you plan on lifting that 5 lb bass with your rod?
Tom
All about da bass reply :
If you have short strikers, your problem is gonna be ripping it out of their mouths. Braid has zero stretch. As soon as you pull that rod up that hook is either firmly set or the frog is coming out of that fishes mouth. I only straight braid when I'm fishing heavy cover. Almost always, I will use a mono leader, because it floats and it gives just enough stretch to get the right hook set in that fishes face. I've lost a really major tournament last year because I was ripping my frog outta their mouths. I don't know but that just helps me.
Justbass11 reply :
On 3/28/2018 at 5:35 AM, Glenn said:Braid is best for frog fishing. I explain the reasons why, plus a whole lot more about frog fishing in this video:
Thanks Glenn for this video, it was most helpful. I learn a few things that I didn’t know before about fishing with a frog.
WRB reply :
Just curious, what lb test mono do you use as a leader and what length??
Tom
fishnkamp reply :
The reason you read most people use braid with frogs is that it works! 65 pound Power Pro is the line most anglers use. You will need to learn how to wait till you feel the fish not just see the big splash, but that is just the facts of fishing a frog. Period!
burrows reply :
On 3/28/2018 at 4:56 AM, Justbass11 said:I have been reading on an older post about using braided line for frog fishing. My question is this, Is fluorocarbon ok to use for frog fishing? Thanks for all the input
Yes it’s ok if that’s what you got on your reel at moment it will work just fine not your best option but it will work.
Glenn reply :
On 3/30/2018 at 10:48 AM, Justbass11 said:Thanks Glenn for this video, it was most helpful. I learn a few things that I didn’t know before about fishing with a frog.
You're welcome! Happy to help!
puddlepuncher reply :
On 3/30/2018 at 10:08 AM, WRB said:Read my post, 20-30 lb braid cuts your fingers....do you plan on lifting that 5 lb bass with your rod?
Tom
Good thing bass come with a nice handle to pick them up. Braid cuts are horrible, so much so I don't even grab mono line anymore out of fear of horrible memories.
All about da bass reply :
On 3/30/2018 at 10:49 AM, WRB said:Just curious, what lb test mono do you use as a leader and what length??
Tom
Seventeen if near thin cover like grass, 25 heavy cover. Foot and a half. Not trying to hate on everybody that said braid. Just saying what worked for me.
Longer leader for clearer water and shorter leader for dirty water.
WRB reply :
My point is it takes about 1/3rd the tensile strength of mono to start to stretch it.
17#is about 6 pounds pulling force, 25# is over 8 pounds. Try lifting a gallon plastic bottle with your frog rod, it can't! 6 lbs would be max with a heavy flipping rod.
If you believe the short 2' mono is giving you a shock absorber, then it works for you.
Tom
LionHeart reply :
On 3/30/2018 at 9:45 AM, iceintheveins said:The main reason is that when frogging you're generally fishing very heavy cover, especially heavy vegetation. You need all the strength and lack of stretch you can get to horse the fish out of cover. Even a two pounder will dive down and tangle up badly in thick weeds. You pull the fish back with about 10 pounds of salad usually.
That's kinda my point of confusion. When you say "horse them out of cover" I imagine you mean with your rod which would break under well below 50 lb of force, so why would 50 lb braid not be more than adequate based on the reason you gave? Are you hand lining the beast out of cover?
I totally get the line dig and flesh cutting aspect of smaller braid. That makes perfect sense.
J Francho reply :
It's really as simple as 50# braid handles like 12# mono. No other practical reason. The rod isn't going to break, if the drag is set properly and sensibly.
All about da bass reply :
On 3/30/2018 at 9:39 PM, WRB said:My point is it takes about 1/3rd the tensile strength of mono to start to stretch it.
17#is about 6 pounds pulling force, 25# is over 8 pounds. Try lifting a gallon plastic bottle with your frog rod, it can't! 6 lbs would be max with a heavy flipping rod.
If you believe the short 2' mono is giving you a shock absorber, then it works for you.
Tom
Did you go out there and test how much those two weights can actually be pulling and did you pick a gallon bottle with a rod or are you just guesstimating. I'm not arguing with what works and what doesn't.
J Francho reply :
1/3 tensile strength is generally accepted. The rest is math. 17/3 ~ 6. 25/3 ~ 8. A gallon of water is a little more than 8 lbs. Tom's point is the math and physics says you're wrong, but if it's working for you, there's no reason not to continue. Personally, I do not think a short leader makes a difference. I use a brightly colored frog. If I can't see the frog, then it's in the bass's mouth, and I see no reason to hold back on the hook set. This has been 99.99999999% true for me. There was one tournament where I and my partner both witnessed bass grabbing our frogs by the legs skirts. This was very unusual behavior. We switch to Scum Frogs, which solved the issue.
Team9nine reply :
On 3/29/2018 at 1:45 AM, LionHeart said:I'm not trying to be funny or confrontational, but why would you prefer a line that can hold 65 lbs when the fish weighs 5 lbs and your rod would likely snap <20 lbs?
Serious question as I've read other people saying the same thing. Why would 50 lb test not be up to the task? Or even 30 lb for that matter?
Lots of questionable statements floating around in this thread. But to your point, shock loading is one of the biggest reasons for using 65 lb. braid. Anyone who has cast a bait on braid that the spool locked up for whatever reason and sent the bait flying off into oblivion can attest to this. It's a little bigger problem in punching/flipping scenarios than frogging, but similar enough. You don't break 50# braid often, but it does happen, which is why most pros moved up to 65# which has become somewhat of the standard.
Braided lines are very funny creatures. Braided lines DO stretch...usually around 3-4%, but that's minimal compared to other line types. But forces increase quit rapidly because of this. Braid has horrible knot strength, and increased impact/force on knots can heat them up and cause them to fail prematurely ([braid] due to lower melting points). Add in things like line twist, braiding pattern, individual fiber diameter and condition, number of fibers per strand, etc., and there's no telling the exact strength of your braid line at any given moment. Most times these factors never come into play because most people rarely exert such forces on their lines due to drag, etc., but punching/frogging applications push more toward the extremes.
Also, rods break at a lot more strength than you might think. They seem like delicate creatures, but properly loaded, most freshwater bass rods break in the 20-45# range. Material composition plays a big role here, as does how that force is applied. I've seen test data that shows Ugly Sticks surviving more than 55# pounds of force without breaking.
Bottom line, as always - use what works for you and your style of fishing and brand of equipment.
WRB reply :
It's the rate the force is applied in addition to lifting force. Hooks sets can apply very high spike force or impact force while pulling on a hooked fish is a slower load.
If you think you can lift a plastic 1 gallon jug of water with any bass rod, try it!
Tom
sully420 reply :
Why do i use 50 to 65lb braid for frogging? Well i started with 50lb power pro and have had great luck with it no problems so why do i use 65lb now? Why not i dont need my frog to dive down deep im not worried about bass seeing it. It's stronger a little thicker and helps keep my bait on top. Why am i not worried about breaking my rod? Because i don't lift gallons of water with my rod and i don't load up my rod to horse 6lb bass out of pads.
LionHeart reply :
On 3/30/2018 at 11:12 PM, Team9nine said:
Lots of questionable statements floating around in this thread. But to your point, shock loading is one of the biggest reasons for using 65 lb. braid. Anyone who has cast a bait on braid that the spool locked up for whatever reason and sent the bait flying off into oblivion can attest to this. It's a little bigger problem in punching/flipping scenarios than frogging, but similar enough. You don't break 50# braid often, but it does happen, which is why most pros moved up to 65# which has become somewhat of the standard.
Braided lines are very funny creatures. Braided lines DO stretch...usually around 3-4%, but that's minimal compared to other line types. But forces increase quit rapidly because of this. Braid has horrible knot strength, and increased impact/force on knots can heat them up and cause them to fail prematurely ([braid] due to lower melting points). Add in things like line twist, braiding pattern, individual fiber diameter and condition, number of fibers per strand, etc., and there's no telling the exact strength of your braid line at any given moment. Most times these factors never come into play because most people rarely exert such forces on their lines due to drag, etc., but punching/frogging applications push more toward the extremes.
Also, rods break at a lot more strength than you might think. They seem like delicate creatures, but properly loaded, most freshwater bass rods break in the 20-45# range. Material composition plays a big role here, as does how that force is applied. I've seen test data that shows Ugly Sticks surviving more than 55# pounds of force without breaking.
Bottom line, as always - use what works for you and your style of fishing and brand of equipment.
I've seen the same videos. I don't think any bass angler on the planet is going to double their rod over while heaving a fish out of vegetation. I don't care how big the bass is or how much vegetation there is. That is absolutely silly. Fishing 'heavy slop' for 'bass over 5 lb' just isn't a logical reason to change from 50 to 65 lb braid, and I read that often here. Truth is, I'm beginning to think a lot guys have no idea why they use it, therefore have trouble qualifying why they do it.
Your statement about shock makes complete sense. Thank you. Also the points about braid not cutting your hand or digging make perfect sense. However, when I see people say 65 lb braid is recommended purely because they don't trust 50 lb while fighting a frog fish, I am filled with confusion.
Now, it matters not to me what another guy or gal uses to fish with, and they certainly don't owe me any explanation for it. I'm just trying to gain a little clarity. Thanks.
After reading this I realize it sounds like a rant, but honest, it's not.
Troy85 reply :
I use 40lb powerpro braid, I choose 40lb simply because the price difference between 30lb and 40lb was about $5, the difference between 40lb and 50lb was about $13.
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Phil B reply :
I like to use at least 50# test. For me the slightly bigger diameter is a little easier to see. Old eyes don't see as well anymore. I've used 30# and it cuts through the stalk on Lilly pads better but it takes a lot of stress at30' and farther. I like the 50 because I have confidence in it.
Justbass11 reply :
Update...My frog setup...7’2” Terex Casting heavy-Dean Rojas rod with a Abu Garcia Revo4 reel with 40lbs Power Pro braided line
Catt reply :
Here's a little interesting information ????
I think it was In-Fisherman who did a study with braid, mono, copolymer, & Fluorocarbon. The study was done by 10 anglers of different statutes, 7' 6" rods, 25 yds away in 12' of water. The study was to show how much pressure was applied to the hook point on hook set.
The results showed a maximum amount of pressure at around 8 lbs; a variance of slightly more than 1 pound to under 2 pounds.
The kicker was 4 of the smaller anglers scored higher with all 4 lines!
It was believed flawless technique was the responsible.
MassYak85 reply :
Like others said it mainly comes down to diameter. You WILL dig into your spool with anything less than 40lb braid fishing a frog with a tightened drag and stiff rod. Also again shock absorption, knot strength, and abrasion resistance are all terrible with braid. It's why you can cast a 1 ounce weight and have it fly off into the sunset using 50lb braid and backlashing. I fish frogs not only around vegetation but docks, rock pilings etc. 50 or 65 lb gives a little more forgiveness if you brush the line of that kind of stuff.
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