Jm Carbonlite Internals Pics 2024
ghost_207 reply :
Here are some pics of the internals of the reel. The drag on this reel is pretty strong. I think the reel is good as the citca e. The bad thing about this reel is that it has too much plastic in the internals.
Diggy reply :
The reel does feel plasticy IMO when cranking it, the normal carbonlite feels much smoother, the only thing I prefer is the drag on the JM. Someone else took one apart and said it was good internally but I know nothing about reel breakdowns
Ima Bass Ninja reply :
Looks pretty much the same as other pq's internally as far as the plastic parts. The drag looks upgraded.
BradH reply :
I broke one down and cleaned it. My biggest gripe are the two side cover screws that go into plastic instead of metal.
Ima Bass Ninja reply :
On 2/29/2012 at 8:49 PM, BradH said:I broke one down and cleaned it. My biggest gripe are the two side cover screws that go into plastic instead of metal.
If these are the screws on the inside part of the reel (where the spool sits and under the bottom of the main gear side cover) then its pretty common with the pq line of reels. The one on the bottom is for quick access to lube the main gear instead of having to remove the whole side plate.
Hi Salenity reply :
It has about the same amount of Plastic parts as my Curados or TPs
Hi Salenity reply :
Are the drag washers carbon?
BrASSmonkey reply :
They don't look like carbon fiber washers from the picture.
Jason Penn reply :
On 2/29/2012 at 8:49 PM, BradH said:I broke one down and cleaned it. My biggest gripe are the two side cover screws that go into plastic instead of metal.
i took my 7:1 apart yesterday to grease the main gear, and those screws i don't know about. the older cl and the pqts i have seemed to have sturdier screws. i was really scared i was going to strip these out because they're so small and they were really tight in there.
tore down, the new cl looks pretty much identical to the older model, as well as the 2 revos i have.
i've only got to fish these 2 new ones (7:1 & 5:1) but i really like them! the 5:1 is really smooth, but the 7:1 was a little rough. i got the gears greased up now and it seems to be much better. hopefully i'll get to fish this weekend and see.
BradH reply :
On 2/29/2012 at 9:35 PM, Ima Bass Ninja said:If these are the screws on the inside part of the reel (where the spool sits and under the bottom of the main gear side cover) then its pretty common with the pq line of reels. The one on the bottom is for quick access to lube the main gear instead of having to remove the whole side plate.
I've just been spoiled by metal on metal when it comes to threaded connections 
Honestly unless the drag gets fouled with water or oil that side cover will stay put for a long time. The bearing on the brake side cover is also retained by three screws into plastic instead of a metal clip. The drag washers are carbon. My only complaint is the metal screws to plastic parts.
craww reply :
I also tore my 7:1 down saturday night. The only plastic stuff inside is the normal clutch/idler/yoke stuff most reels have. Make sure you have an exact match screw driver for the screw heads, they look to get buggered up really easy. I have never seen more grease inside of a reel. The handle sideplate literally had a spot with 1/8'' glob stuck to it lol.
I took it out yesterday on its first test run. For what its worth I was using a new to me flouro that has slinky handling characteristics, casting a light bait (RC .05) on a MH rod. So I didnt push it. None the less, I was very impressed. I own alot of reels and have fished this bait on all of them, casting distance was very very good. Once I get a line on it that behaves itself better, I think it'll really launch a light bait.
Alot of people griped about it being noisy in store. Part of that is the spool is ported so much that the spool bearings are not as sound insulated until you get line on it. Which does help. The bearings still are audible, but I think the mtl. its made out of is the cause of that. Either way no biggie for me.
EDIT* your right about the non handle side plate having the plastic piece, Brad. Forgo about that part.
roadwarrior reply :
Pretty technical reviews. GREAT job guys!
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
Screws threaded into plastic are a short cut I don't care for but as for the internals, I don't see any more plastic than in other reels based on that same platform (Pure Fishing).
BradH reply :
One more thing I forgot to say. I backed off both brakes & the spool tension and timed the freespool a few times to get a good average. I did it again after flushing/oiling the spool bearings and a general cleaning. The time from start to stop after flicking the spool with my finger almost doubled. Lots of grease in those spool bearings.
Edit. I got the 5.4:1 so I'm thinking 7' MH Crucial crank rod with 10 lb fluoro. I still like my noodles for fishing in current but the bait monkey has been bugging me.
rubba bubba reply :
I haven't cracked mine open yet, but I like how the drag star is metal, unlike my Curado 51. Note - I fully agree there's no performance difference between a plastic/metal star, I just like the metal star better. Mine were a bit sticky but that was because there was no lube on the level-wind guide.
I'm not big on the EVA foam knobs, but I like them better than the ridged-rubber knobs on the Extremes. I greatly prefer the rubber knobs of the Curado the most.
I think the way they made the centrifugal braking adjustment external was clever. It limits you to changing by pairs, only, but you can fine tune with the mag brakes if desired.
craww reply :
Yeah I was kinda bummed about the centrifugals only being able to be used in pairs also. On my PQT I'll often use only one. You may be able to put a very tiny peice of tape or something over the disc to keep the 2nd brake from from coming out? Or even remove one pin altogether. I dunno I havent played with it much yet.
Goose52 reply :
The lockwork is a bit different from the PQ and earlier CL and many parts will probably not interchange with the earlier models. On the "plastic" parts (are they really nylon or whatever?) it's interesting that some of them (like the pinion yoke) have been lightened by sorta honeycombing them - as compared to the solid parts on the PQ and earlier CL. Even on a part that light they were going for the weight savings.
On the screws going into plastic - not good...but at least repairable if you strip them out.
Goose52 reply :
On 3/1/2012 at 2:54 AM, craww said:Yeah I was kinda bummed about the centrifugals only being able to be used in pairs also. On my PQT I'll often use only one. You may be able to put a very tiny peice of tape or something over the disc to keep the 2nd brake from from coming out? Or even remove one pin altogether. I dunno I havent played with it much yet.
I could have passed on the external adjustment for the centrifugals and would have preferred that they retained the DBS system of the earlier reels (RC, PL,PQ, CL). I can live with 2 but as with you, I occasionally only use 1 brake with some baits.
craww reply :
Agreed. I will say the new spool is lighter for what its worth. Maybe the new brake saves some spool weight.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
So you guys that have one what you going to use it for mostly? Like have it set-up for jigs only spinnerbaits only tech specific or going to be multi-purpose? What rod & line you have in mind?
Goose52 reply :
I've got two 6.4 ratio reels inbound. One will go on a jig rod with 15lb flouro; the other is a spare for right now until I think of something to do with it. If I wasn't running the durability test on one of my 6.4 ratio PQs, the 2nd JM-CL would probably take it's place on my lipless crank rod with 10lb YZ. Perhaps the 2nd reel will replace a CL (first model) that's on my worm rod and if so it would have 12lb flouro. Have to think about it since right now, i have more reels than rods. 
Jason Penn reply :
i'm using a 7:1 with 15# fluoro on a 7' mh carbonlite micro for plastics. 5:1 with 12# fluoro on a 7' mh daiwa tds spinnerbait/crankbait rod for cranks.
the one thing i don't like as much on the new reels as the old ones are the handle knobs. the new ones are eva also, but they're more like the pq. i picked up a few of the older style handles last year from bps r&r repair, so i just swapped out the handles.
Hi Salenity reply :
I picked 1 up and am going to use it for cranks, probably light/shallow ones on a 7'm crank rod with 12# Yo-Zuri.
craww reply :
Mines the 7.1 and is gonna be used for jigs, plastics, traps, squarebills, and buzzbaits.
J Francho reply :
The only plastic parts that concern me in this reel are the yolk posts. That clutch trip plate is a little iffy, but so are Daiwa's trip plates.
Delaware Valley Tackle reply :
Each design has its pluses and minuses. My mind often wanders pondering how cool it would be blend design aspects of several different reels into one. I imagine patents and such make it almost impossible.
Goose52 reply :
On 3/1/2012 at 10:17 PM, J Francho said:The only plastic parts that concern me in this reel are the yolk posts. That clutch trip plate is a little iffy, but so are Daiwa's trip plates.
Didn't get around to "popping the hood" on one of my JCLs until yesterday. The clutch return pawl IS dodgy. The rachet applies the force to the pawl at the top of the extension as shown by the red arrow in the photo. How long will that extension hold up without bending or breaking? This part is different from the equivalent part on the PQ and "gold" CL. The PQ and CL have the same part shape, but the PQ part was some sort of plated metal, they changed it to aluminum on the CL to save weight. Now, the JCL tried to take the weight saving a bit farther and minimized the part shape. Hopefully, this new part will hold up...but I'll probably be ordering a couple spares...and maybe sometime stripping down both a gold CL and this new JCL to see if the older PQ/CL part will fit and function in the JCL...
Other observations:
Yep - sideplate screws into plastic, AND, the screws are tiny. I need to invest in better quality phillips drivers in these small sizes.
Nice drag stack - three carbon washers - smooth.
The spool on the JCL IS lighter than the CL...but to put things in perspective, you pay a penalty in spool weight to have the dual braking system. Not a big deal for me as I have other reels/rods to throw very light baits. Spool assembly weights (includes captive bearing) for CL, JCL, and a Curado 50E:
CL - 18.30g
JCL - 15.56g
50E - 11.27g
The centrifugal brake shoes on the JCL are very thin - there might be a long-term wear issue here. I'm having a brake wear issue right now on my "5-Year Challenge" PQ reel that I will be reporting on soon and the PQ shoes are a bit thicker than the JCL shoes.
The reel in the photo has a rough spot once per handle revolution. I only took the cover off to see if I could find a cause for that - I didn't completely strip the reel. I didn't see anything obvious - no burrs on the drive gear or anything like that. The drive gear was practically dry so I cleaned it along with the pinion gear and re-greased. After assembly, the rough spot is still there but the more I crank the reel, the roughness seems to be smoothing out. I fished it yesterday for about 15 minutes or so and it doesn't bother me. Perhaps it will just smooth out with use.
All-in-all, you can see the design efforts to get the reel under 6 ounces. The real question of course is will you still have durability to go along with the light weight. I've got so many dang reels now that it might take me a long time to find out...
buzzfrog reply :
So if i wanted a super lite reel for my carrot PG, would this be worth, or is there better lite reels out there for the price..???
Goose52 reply :
On 3/18/2012 at 10:54 PM, buzzfrog said:So if i wanted a super lite reel for my carrot PG, would this be worth, or is there better lite reels out there for the price..???
It depends on whether you REALLY want a 5 ounce class reel. If you do, this reel at $130 is hundreds less than other reels in the 5 ounce club. But, it's new and no one has put enough time on the reel to know whether it will last. I'm a BPS BC reel fan but I've still got reservations about this reel (although I did buy two of them). At only $130, it's probably worth giving a try if money isn't tight. However, search this forum for the other threads on this reel - especially the post by "Hooligan" who gave a report on the reel after spending some time on the water with it. Some people are reporting roughness in the reel - some are reporting that it's noisy if that bothers you.
OTOH, there are now lots of 6 ounce class reels with proven dependability to choose from so it comes down to how important is that last 1/2 to 1 ounce of weight reduction...
buzzfrog reply :
thanks goose, i love the PQ, and have an old extreme that is nice,.. and i will do a search
thank ya
HomersTomaco reply :
I fished with my new Revo MGX and JM carbonlite both for the first time today. The JM definitely casted better than the MGX but was a tad noisier. Only time will tell on the longevity of the two, but my initial impression on using them both a lot was that, I see no reason to buy an MGX when the JM carbonlite is only $130
Goose52 reply :
I put some more time on the water with one of my JCLs today - it is indeed a good caster. I've got it on a "beater" All Star rod right now but I think I'll really like this reel once I match it up with a nice, light rod.
QUAKEnSHAKE reply :
I tried out mine today for about 4hrs throwing 3/4oz SB, 1/4ozjigncraw, KVD 1.0. No rough spots at all no sound on the throw once spool tension adjusted to not be very loose. If the tension too loose it made a chatter but that was with a lot of side to side movement so it wasnt the reel's issue just set-up. On the retrieve with reeling in all the lures at slow to mod pace no issue but when really cranking high speed the gear sound is noticeable but that speed I never fish at. Like mentioned no actual rough spots just an overall geary feel. Might need to look see if gears need some grease.
It casts the kvd1.0 great and it just a little over 1/4oz like .260oz
Oh the lightweight is nice and noticeable from one set-up to others of mine. I have mine paired with a Smoke rod and its 3.4oz + 5.82 for reel Im at 9.22 and whatever 15#S8S weighs.
Jason Penn reply :
i ordered another 7:1 while the price was $20 off. the one i've got now definitely makes a grind per rotation, i thought i had taken care of it with some grease, but i guess that was just wishful thinking.
the 5:1 i have is smooth as can be though. hopefully this 7:1 i have coming will be the same way!
MrSwimJig reply :
I fished my JM reel today for the first time along with a JM Elite Rod. Couldn't pass up the price of these doing the Spring Classic. So far I am very impressed with the reel. I have not noticed any more noise with this reel compared to my Lews Tournament PRO. Casting is very smooth and the new breaking system is very nice and very easy to adjust. Only time will tell if it can hold up to day in and dau out use.
Goose52 reply :
I've put more time on the water with the JCL that has the rough spot once per turn...and I don't really notice it while fishing. I have to decide on a better rod to match with the reel and I think I'll be in good shape...
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