Fluoro on baitcaster - Advice needed 2024

Alex Lynch reply :

Hello Guys,

I've been using baitcasters for a few years now. I have 2 Revo SX with #40 braid and 1 Revo SX with #12 Berkley Sensation mono. I have no problem with theses at all they all work like a charm.

Recently I bought a Revo Premier and decided I would give Fluoro a shot with some Berkley #12 Trilene 100% Fluoro.

Now I'm having a lot of problem with it and backlash constantly... I have the brake maxed out and it seem that the only way for me not to backlash is to do slow gentle cast which does not work for me. As soon as I do a firm overhead or roll cast it backlash on me (even worst in the wind). What am I doing wrong here?

I am thinking it might be over spooled at this point so I was going to remove some line next. Also when I do a long cast it seem to backlash in the middle of the cast but it goes away if the cast is long enough.

I never has any problem with braid and mono so I am assuming I am using it correctly.

Thoughts..?

roadwarrior reply :

Could be that the line is just too stiff. Tatsu is my line of choice, but for a lower pricing point I

would recommend Seaguar AbrazX #12. Another option that a lot of guys are using is braid

with a fluorocarbon leader. If you go that route just about any fluoro will do.

Alex Lynch reply :

On 6/12/2017 at 11:04 PM, roadwarrior said:

Could be that the line is just too stiff. Tatsu is my line of choice, but for a lower pricing point I

would recommend Seaguar AbrazX #12. Another option that a lot of guys are using is braid

with a fluorocarbon leader. If you go that route just about any fluoro will do.

That's what I'm doing on all my spinning reel but with micro guide on baitcast rod I felt the knot would cause backlash. But I never tried it.

Attila reply :

First and foremost, welcome to Bass Resource.

I would first definitely use some type of line conditioner on the line before spooling up as it will definitely help you with the overrun issue. The second possibility is the power you're using to throw the bait. What type of bait are you throwing and what does it weigh? The reviews that I've read on this reel indicate that people are able to cast long distances so perhaps the spool spins a lot faster than others to get the extra distance. As such, you may have to thumb the spool a little bit to to ensure that it doesn't spin so fast as to result in a backlash.

Final suggestion would be to change your line. Seaguar is my go to, and I'd use AbrazX around cover and InvizX around light cover or open water.

Cheers!

roadwarrior reply :

Use a short leader that you can cast with outside the guides, 10" or so.

bholtzinger14 reply :

The braid to fluorocarbon leader knot going through my guides has never been a problem for me.

Alex Lynch reply :

I still think that an entire spool of fluoro should work. I'll try to remove 1/4 of line from it and try again.

I've never used line conditioner before. The line is already spooled so I guess it's not worth it to use conditioner.

A-Jay reply :

On 6/12/2017 at 11:48 PM, Alex Lynch said:

I still think that an entire spool of fluoro should work. I'll try to remove 1/4 of line from it and try again.

I've never used line conditioner before. The line is already spooled so I guess it's not worth it to use conditioner.

KVD line conditioner, although not magic certainly, does really seems to help both tame the beast that is line memory a bit as well as just improving the overall casting experience.

Now if that's not a solid endorsement, I don't know what is . . . .

And you can definitely add it ANY time - simply spray it right on the spooled line - let it soak in a minute (or over night if you have that kind of time) and you're good.

Finally, as mentioned above, try reducing your spool contents down to like 3/4's of a spool. Just until this problem is resolved. You'll be glad you did.

Oh, and Welcome to Bass Resource.

A-Jay

lo n slo reply :

i throw t rigs with a 3/16 bullet with a revo sx spooled with 12 lb sunline super fluorocarbon on a 7' mh rod. you must get the tension knob setting right rather than expecting the brake to control your over run issues. also use line conditioner and keep your reel clean and lubed, that means periodic spool removal to do so. it isnt complicated. good luck.

Attila reply :

On 6/12/2017 at 11:48 PM, Alex Lynch said:

I've never used line conditioner before. The line is already spooled so I guess it's not worth it to use conditioner.

I was about to respond with the same answer as @A-Jay, glad I received the notification of his post! lol

RichF reply :

I like Trilene 100% a lot and don't have any issues. Honestly, the best thing to do is just keep practicing. Taking off some line should help. Line conditioner might help a little but here's only so much you can do. In the end, a well trained thumb is the by far the best way to tame fluorocarbon.

WRB reply :

You need to use a line conditioner with FC main line because it doesn't absorb water, it sheds it during the cast and creates loose line. I would put FC line on a rod/reel you know works good with mono. I use and recommend TangleFree line conditioner because you add it as needed during the outing. KVD must be added to coat the line several hours before you use the reel.

Berkley FC is larger diameter line then both Seaguar and Sunline; Trilene 12# 100% is .013D = Seaguar or Sunline 16# FC, the larger the diameter the more memory any line will have.

Tom

WIGuide reply :

Triline 100% fluoro is the only fluoro I use anymore and like Rich, I haven't had any issues with it either. I would suggest checking your spool tension. If it's not set correctly, it doesn't matter how you adjust your brakes, they can only do so much. If you want to run the spool tension extra loose, you're going to have to learn to use your thumb, it's as simple as that.

Fishin' Fool reply :

What are you using the rod for? I've had a lot of luck switching from fluoro to P-Line CX. It's such a softer line and it casts like a million bucks.

LxVE Bassin reply :

Try Trilene 100% or Seaguar Invizx. Both of these have served me well and they are not stiff. I have backlash problems with my Revo as well so it barely leaves the house. I have come to the conclusion that myself and Revos are just not a match made in heaven. I will give braid a try and if that doesn't work I will be retiring it.

Logan S reply :

You just need to practice more. Trilene 100% is a quality line and 12lb is not going to be terribly thick so it's a good line to start on.

On 6/12/2017 at 10:52 PM, Alex Lynch said:

I never has any problem with braid and mono so I am assuming I am using it correctly.

Mono and braid handle much better than flourocarbon, so they can mask a lot of little casting errors and/or deficiencies...It's not a knock on your skills, it just is what it is. If all you've ever used is mono or braid, you need to take a little time and re-teach yourself how to cast. If you're not hard-headed about it, it can probably be done in one sitting assuming you already a capable caster. Start with short pitches, move up to medium easy casts, and keep going - Soon you'll be flinging it around just like you always were with mono/braid.

People are quick to recommend $40+ spools of line and sprays...While I'm sure they help, it's not necessary if you put a little bit of time in to learn how to cast flouro.

Boomstick reply :

I have never used fluro as a mainline, but an overspooled reel certainly is not going to help matters, so I would suggest taking the extra line off.

Also this is just preference but I definitely prefer a sidearm cast with a bait caster, this way I don't even have to feather the line and can throw it out there, feather as the lure nearly hits the water and then stop when it does. If I backlash this way then something is majorly wrong with the reel or the line because I setup the reel for minimum tension on the tension knob, and the brake around halfway. For overhand casting, I will set both more aggressively and feather the line the entire cast.

Alex Lynch reply :

On 6/13/2017 at 1:38 AM, LxVE Bassin said:

Try Trilene 100% or Seaguar Invizx. Both of these have served me well and they are not stiff. I have backlash problems with my Revo as well so it barely leaves the house. I have come to the conclusion that myself and Revos are just not a match made in heaven. I will give braid a try and if that doesn't work I will be retiring it.

I have 3 Revo SX with braid and mono and it works flawlessly. Just having problems with the Fluoro/RevoPremier

The Patriot reply :

On 6/12/2017 at 11:04 PM, roadwarrior said:

Could be that the line is just too stiff. Tatsu is my line of choice, but for a lower pricing point I

would recommend Seaguar AbrazX #12. Another option that a lot of guys are using is braid

with a fluorocarbon leader. If you go that route just about any fluoro will do.

This is the method I went with. After using braid all last year I decided to switch things up and try flouro. I got all the backlashes you speak of. After a couple outing and spending more time pulling out birds nests, I went home and cut that crap off my reel. I was using cheap flouro, maybe thats the issue, it was Stren 17lb I believe. Put 20 or 30# braid back on and tied on a flouro leader and haven't looked back. I have yet to come across a situation that I wished I had flouro spooled instead of braid. I've read other posts mentioning no stretch in braid which I may want for certain lures. Sure... so I lighten the drag. I'll also say that the flouro I used, would retain its spooled up shape and sit in the water in spirals. Not something I ever noticed when I had Trilene Flouro on my spinning reel. I'd be open to trying it again, I just dont see a need when I use a leader.

Alex Lynch reply :

I ended up exchanging my Revo Premier... I bought some Abrazx #15 to go with it - Will see how it goes this w-e!

MickD reply :

Easy fix. Take it off and put on mono. You can fool around with all the expensive and favorite lines of others, but to take the short route to good casting, go mono. Life's too short to try to make FC work. Mono is so easy.

pondbassin101 reply :

On 6/13/2017 at 1:38 AM, LxVE Bassin said:

I have come to the conclusion that myself and Revos are just not a match made in heaven.

I can take that off your hands

MickD reply :

It's not the Revo, it's the line.

Team9nine reply :

On 6/17/2017 at 6:46 AM, MickD said:

It's not the Revo, it's the line.

It's not the line, it's the user

MickD reply :

On 6/17/2017 at 10:08 AM, Team9nine said:

It's not the line, it's the user

My point is that the line is an important and highly variable component in the baitcasting experience. And FC is, in my opinion, too much trouble, too expensive, too fragile, without commensurate advantages over mono. I know there are many who can handle it. I can handle it under certain circumstances, but for reliably good casting, trouble-free fishing, it's not my cup of tea. And others who are struggling to use it successfully would be better served by simply going mono. I know this opinion is not universally accepted, but I think going mono is good advice for many fishermen.

mooneyes reply :

Which Generation of Revo Premier are you using? Tell us a little bit more about how you have your braking and spool tension set. I have used the Revo line of reels since they were released, I find all but the Gen 1 SX are excellent casting reels. Line choice may have some impact on castability but certainly not to the point of repeated backlashing.

The way the line was spooled on the reel can certainly have an impact on castability also.

Yudo1 reply :

I run braid with leaders on most of my reels except for my weightless soft plastic reels where I use sniper. The slackline sensitivity of fluoro makes it worth the trouble IMO but KVD line and lure makes a huge difference. I have one reel that I absolutely couldn't use fluoro on because of serious backlash issues, steez 103. The braking profile was just too fast so I just put a 1016 spool in it.

Team9nine reply :

On 6/17/2017 at 7:46 PM, MickD said:

My point is that the line is an important and highly variable component in the baitcasting experience. And FC is, in my opinion, too much trouble, too expensive, too fragile, without commensurate advantages over mono. I know there are many who can handle it. I can handle it under certain circumstances, but for reliably good casting, trouble-free fishing, it's not my cup of tea. And others who are struggling to use it successfully would be better served by simply going mono. I know this opinion is not universally accepted, but I think going mono is good advice for many fishermen.

Not disagreeing that there is a place and time for mono. Been a staple for many decades now. Still fine in many instances. Let's just stop blaming/bashing fluoro every time someone has a casting issue or any other malady. I was on the water yesterday casting Shad Raps on a Curado with 8# fluoro, and pitching jigs with 25# - if it doesn't work for you, no harm, no foul - use some other line...but the real issue isn't the fluoro

-T9

Darren. reply :

Welcome aboard to the OP!

Some great advice on line conditioner, even braid + leader which

is how I roll. Micro guides, though, can be an issue with the thicker

diameter leaders, and unless you get supremely good at tying the

FG knot, it can be a pain to deal with, unless you take @roadwarrior's

solid advice of using a shorter leader.

My Legend Tournament (spinning) has micro guides and I use braid+

leader with virtually zero catching issues, but the heaviest I go is 10#

Gamma Edge on that rod - usually 6 or 8# leader and a Uni-to-Uni or

Alberto knot. Granted that plus 15# max braid makes for a very small

and compact leader knot, which won't be the case with a heavier braid

and heavier leader.

MickD reply :

Let's do a little review of the original post. Two Revo's, one with braid , one with Sensation (mono), both "work like a charm." Add a Revo and 12 # FC and he cannot cast successfully.

Maybe the line isn't the issue with some people, but it sure as heck looks like it is with the poster.

And with many others on the forum. Not everyone is skilled enough to make FC work. Not everyone is skilled enough to successfully drive a Farari. I'm done.

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