What is your current favorite 8 or 9 carrier braid in terms of cast-ability , distance , low noise , robustness / low fraying , low bleeding of color , etc. ?
*I currently use Power Pro in lighter line weights on my spinning reel set ups with no complaints but for a bait cast combo using #20 lb. to #40 lb. braid for top water applications - I'm looking for advantages that an 8 or 9 carrier braid can provide versus the traditional 4 carrier braids .
Tell me about 9 carrier braiding machines? I know about 4, 8, 16, 24, 32, 48, 64 and 128 carrier braiders.
Tom
8 strand is smoother, casts better and is quieter running through guides.
Its supposedly rounder also???
On 9/5/2019 at 4:13 AM, ChrisD46 said:What is your current favorite 8 or 9 carrier braid in terms of cast-ability , distance , low noise , robustness / low fraying , low bleeding of color , etc. ?
*I currently use Power Pro in lighter line weights on my spinning reel set ups with no complaints but for a bait cast combo using #20 lb. to #40 lb. braid for top water applications - I'm looking for advantages that an 8 or 9 carrier braid can provide versus the traditional 4 carrier braids .
I've been using Daiwa J Braid X8 for quite a while now. I haven't had any problems with it. It seems to keep its color as well as any other line I've tried, and much better than the bargain internet brands. I don't have much issue with wind knots, and fraying hasn't been an issue either. My casting distances definitely increased when I switched to the 8 carrier line as well. The best part is that J Braid is relatively inexpensive. I'm just starting to experiment with Ardent Gliss, which is a whole different animal than braid. I'm interested to see how it compares. It's incredibly thin.
On 9/5/2019 at 4:51 AM, WRB said:Tell me about 9 carrier braiding machines.
Tom
https://www.google.com/search?q=how+is+braided+fishing+line+made&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS786US786&oq=how+is+braided+fishing+line+made&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l4.8250j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#kpvalbx=_oi1wXZv-IYqE5wKbiKzgAw26
On 9/5/2019 at 4:51 AM, WRB said:Tell me about 9 carrier braiding machines? I know about 4, 8, 16, 24, 32, 48, 64 and 128 carrier braiders.
Tom
Berkley makes a X5 and X9 braided line which is there 5 and 9 carrier braids
I only spend 50 years working with braiders to make aerospace products like EMI shielding and up until the time I retired in 2015* there wasn't any braiders in North America with odd number carriers to the best of my knowledge. Sometimes the number of spindles mounted on a carrier that can have up to 3 spindles per carrier, 4 carrier braider can have 12 spindles for example, each bobbin can have multiple ends, it can get confusing.
The video shows 5 and 9 spindles, couldn't see the number of carrier disk plates?
If the mfr claims 5 and 9 carriers with single spindles then it's news to me.
Tom
PS, good video
* Glenair, Inc Dir R&D
To the OP'S question.
I Like:
Hitena, but expensive
Then, Smackdown, Fins, Gamma......
Sufix 832 or Tufline Domin8.
SpiderWire Ultra-Cast is pretty good handling line
oe
On 9/5/2019 at 7:06 AM, OkobojiEagle said:SpiderWire Ultra-Cast is pretty good handling line
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On 9/5/2019 at 7:06 AM, OkobojiEagle said:SpiderWire Ultra-Cast is pretty good handling line
oe
I wanted to like that line but it kept unraveling on me.
I use Smackdown on my spinning rig. It's perfect. I tried it on my T-rig bait caster in 40 LB and it frayed at the tungsten weight awfully! And I peg my weight. I was terribly disappointed. So, I am moving it to my buzz bait rig. It may not do that with a lead weight but I swapped the weight to different styles in tungsten and they all frayed the line.
J-Braid Grande x8
Daiwa J-Braid x8 Grand Light Grey and regular white J-Braid x8.
I’ve used daiwa J-braid x8 for a few years. It is pretty good, soft and quiet. Now that I tried Sufix 832, I like it even better not as soft nor quiet but sensitivity is top notch. Also it seems to sink faster than others. The bad thing of very soft braid is when you get backlash, it is harder to untangle.
OP here : I intend to use the 8 - carrier braid just for top water and other applications where there are few obstacles or tough conditions to contend with .
Been using Tuf-line but I have switched to Sufix 832 ghost braid line...Just love it
On 9/5/2019 at 4:13 AM, ChrisD46 said:What is your current favorite 8 or 9 carrier braid in terms of cast-ability , distance , low noise , robustness / low fraying , low bleeding of color , etc. ?
*I currently use Power Pro in lighter line weights on my spinning reel set ups with no complaints but for a bait cast combo using #20 lb. to #40 lb. braid for top water applications - I'm looking for advantages that an 8 or 9 carrier braid can provide versus the traditional 4 carrier braids .
YGK G soul x8 green hits all those marks and for ect. such as resistance to wind knots its extremely good.
On 9/5/2019 at 6:20 AM, WRB said:I only spend 50 years working with braiders to make aerospace products like EMI shielding and up until the time I retired in 2015* there wasn't any braiders in North America with odd number carriers to the best of my knowledge. Sometimes the number of spindles mounted on a carrier that can have up to 3 spindles per carrier, 4 carrier braider can have 12 spindles for example, each bobbin can have multiple ends, it can get confusing.
The video shows 5 and 9 spindles, couldn't see the number of carrier disk plates?
If the mfr claims 5 and 9 carriers with single spindles then it's news to me.
Tom
PS, good video
* Glenair, Inc Dir R&D
Berkley X9 , 9-Carrier construction with a PE Core.
On 9/6/2019 at 9:59 PM, johnD. said:Berkley X9 , 9-Carrier construction with a PE Core.
most likely all 9 strands of this line are gel-spun polyethylene (PE).
oe
On 9/7/2019 at 10:47 PM, OkobojiEagle said:most likely all 9 strands of this line are gel-spun polyethylene (PE).
oe
Not sure but , I like it.. I have 40 lb rigged up on my rod for 10xd's.
Well, I'm bringing this back up, rather than starting a new thread.
Looking into finesse braids, for spinning gear. I've liked J-Braid (8-carrier) in 20 and 30# for non-finesse use. But, at 10# in a finesse rig, it's 8 too soft, self-knotting terribly. The problem just arose, this being that line's second season. I think it may have softened from wear, although it looks OK, maybe a bit fluffed up (not frayed). Although there are some real advantages to super-soft braids, some rigidity may be more important most of the time. And it should be economical, not up front necessarily, but down the road. I'm old enough now that 5yrs is a flash.
I've used Gliss in 8# for UL, and it's been nice -so far. About to replace the J-Braid with Gliss 24# (.007) I already have. I'm thinking 832 is next up, if I need to change again. But, I am curious about the other stuff that's out there. What's "new" and what's it do?
Currently, Sufix 832 is my go to. I don’t like Power Pro Super Slick 8. It frays really bad when you tie knots. I’m not sure how much of it I have left, but any I do have will only be used as backing for 832.
I tried some 8, didn't see enough of an advantage for the price difference and went back to regular Power Pro 4 strand for any braid needs.
@Paul RobertsI like Gliss #18 on my Ultra light rig (casting) but definitely need leader to make the line last longer and once a while I would cutoff a few yards due to line fraying from my finger or rubbing against the guides. Even as much as I like it I don’t think I’m gonna buy anymore.
The next favorite right now would be #8 Sufix 832. I’m not sure but to me, the sensitivity is crisper than original PP and PP super slick also less bowl in water (#8 PP is thinner than 832).
The next thing I wanna try is sinking braid YGK G-soul and nano braid, if I can afford it.
Thanks, BFS. Decided to go up in J-Braid diameter, to 15lb; A spool I already had. Just to try it out. I don't want to give a bad review of J-Braid on general. Again, 20# and 30# has been fine. Trying 15 now.
OK... update. And I'm not sponsored by anyone. This has been my experience, dealing with a finesse braid headache this winter.
The 15lb (.008) J-Braid x8 also knotted itself, but not as much as the 10#. The issue was loose loops on the reel spool (spinning) tying into knots. The stuff is so soft, and the braiding somewhat loose. In fact, I noticed the "puffiness" of the braid would stick to the cold water roughened skin on my fingers! This was new braid, after a single day of fishing. I'm guessing the softness, coupled with its ability to adhere to itself, is the problem.
Another reel had 27lb (.007) Gliss, and it handled just fine -great in fact. Loose loops never caused any problems. Guess I'm going to Gliss for my finesse fishing. I used 8lb Gliss (.004!) in my UL's the last two winters, without a problem. I'm guessing its smoothness just doesn't cause line touching line to adhere.
I've heard complaints that people have had Gliss break. I'm guessing here that it may have to do with the break-rating. Although the rating may be accurate, I doubt 27# Gliss would be interchangeable with even 20# braids. It's so much finer that a little damage would very likely severely weaken it. Once again, I'd buy braids based on diameter, not rated break strength, keeping other properties in mind. Unless maybe they come up with some bullet-n-brush proof material in the future maybe, that still handles well. There is probably a limit to how fine a diameter one could go and still have a line be manageable. But who knows, the right rigidity, and slickness, might have us flipping with .001" 50lb lines! Kinda doubt it, though
Just my 2cents, following some headaches on the water this winter season.